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Infographic - Are Guns And Ammo The New Gold?

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There are those who contend that when fiat dies, gold and precious metals will take its place. Then, a smaller subset out there, claims that it matters not who owns the gold or silver. All that matters is who is in charge of the lead. The following inforgraphic from ammo.net may shed some much needed light on the topic, which as recent Thanksgiving record sales indicated, more and more people are starting to lock in on (and load).

Is Ammo The New Gold? Full Infographic
Via: Ammo.net

From ammo.net

The threat of a U.S. double dip recession coupled with this summer's debt debacle in Washington - and the subsequent failure of the so-called "debt supercommittee" - has many ordinary Americans looking at gold as a safe store of value.  However, there's another commodity that historically has risen in price along with gold - and is potentially more useful in the event of a global crisis: Ammunition.

 

Some of the fear-based psychological reasons for gold's popularity in times of economic crisis appear to be similar to the reasons cited for purchasing guns and ammunition.  Michael Thompson, a small business owner from Virginia, had this to say about why he recently purchased 2,000 rounds of 223 ammunition to go with his growing collection of AR-15 assault rifles: "Since ARs are so well-known & widespread, quality ones don't really go down in value.  I don't trust what's going on in Washington and a reliable firearm that'll hold it's value plus ammo that I can always re-sell later if I don't use it up seems like as safe a place as any to put my money in these uncertain times."

 

One prominent factor which customers at Ammo.net cite as one of their primary reasons for stocking up on guns & ammo now is the uncertainty surrounding U.S. firearm regulations.  Many wonder if President Obama's official position on firearm regulation will change if he wins a second term. Others point to recent actions taken by President Obama's appointees in the EPA and the Department of Justice, citing the EPA's recently proposed ban on lead ammunition due to health concerns about the lead seeping into ground water supplies and the on-going debacle surrounding the Deparment of Justice's failed Fast & Furious sting operation.  Several states have also enacted anti-gun legislation recently, such as California expanding their controversial gun registry to now include purchasers of new rifles and shotguns.

 

Dustin Ramsey, a 28 year old self-proclaimed "realist" from Tennessee who says hunting and fishing are two of his favorite outdoor activities, counts the 5,000 rounds of 9mm ammunition he keeps on-hand as one of his investments along with gold coins: "I'm a hunter so I know I can use my guns & ammo to feed my family if something happens to our usual food supply and there's a run at our grocery store. Plus, it seems like somebody on Wall Street is always getting bailed out nowadays and my faith in the stock market has been gone for a long time. Look, I've seen what happens when times get tough and I figure I can always barter a popular caliber like 9mm for other supplies like I would with gold if push comes to shove. And if a crisis never materializes where I need my stash of ammo, I still love to shoot so those bullets won't go to waste. Given the uncertainty in our world, ammunition seems more practical to me than gold, whether there's an economic crisis or not."

 

Whatever their reason, Americans are purchasing firearms and ammunition in record numbers.  USA Today recently reported that the FBI experienced on Black Friday their single largest number of background check requests ever in a single day, smashing the previous record by 32%.  Background check requests are processed by the FBI according to federal law.  Gallop also reported that gun ownership is at an 18 year high, with 47% of Americans admitting to Gallop they own a gun.  These statistics coupled with customer feedback at Ammo.net indicate more Americans are taking advantage of their constitutional right to own a firearm - and are arming up in increasing large numbers.

 

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Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:13 | 2005327 roadhazard
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I stack A&L (ammo and liquor). Up here in the mountains gold and silver are only good for a door jam.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:20 | 2005884 Silver Dreamer
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Those are good, but don't forget antibiotics and other medical supplies.  Fish antibiotics FTW!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:15 | 2005331 Bullwinkle Moose
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The Lone Ranger used silver.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:21 | 2005349 Tucson Tom
Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:08 | 2006123 roadhazard
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What a bunch of BS. I could be miles away before the Geek police showed up. Some people will buy anything. If you want to rob a bank before they run out of money just have someone shoot a gun on the other side of town.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:26 | 2005361 krispkritter
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As I've been the victim of some of this type of petty crime I thought this read was a good one and why I think it's a good reason to be armed in the country: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/286354/vandalized-valley-victor-davis-hanson?pg=1

I remember one was two guys towing a jon boat 'looking for water' but had no paddles, motor, life vests, fishing gear, etc. in the truck or boat.  Told them we didn't have lake access and my neighbor didn't like strangers on the road.  And on average, deputies take about an hour to respond to calls here.  

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:55 | 2005364 Black Forest
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Gorbachev warned of WWIII in Munich on Dec. 10. No English-language transcript available though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0miPUdO3hs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsvwSarD44k

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyyFrUbiJaA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQhr3KNYbaY

See 0:55 ff. in part 1, term "World War Three" occurs at 2:26.

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:31 | 2005375 George Kaplan
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Sounds about right…

 

The hordes of unprepared fools that will try to steal what little you have will be coming in waves. First wave will be the drug addicted government dependent scum living in the larger population areas and if you live there, you will be lucky if you make it out alive. Then the un-employed low income trash living near your neighborhood will band together and try some kind of ill-conceived assault on your residence. Finally, your next door neighbor will come knocking with a sad story, a smile and try to slit your throat.

 

We all know that a .223 and 5.56 NATO will not do a bloody thing against the highly advanced weaponry that some corporate/government types will be utilizing. It will though, do plenty against some group of skinnies with couple of sticks and delusions of grandeur. And all the while you’re hypnotized dumbed down friends and family will be trolling your back yard fishing for scraps… It’s going to be a real fun time

 

Or maybe everything will get better!!! We can go back to buying cheap goods on credit, enjoying all you can eat salad/bread sticks and getting hand jobs from average looking slores we pick up at last call in the Appleby’s parking lot.

 

Not bloody likely…   

 

PS: I have always had good dealings with www.luckygunner.com they are fast and cheap, just how I like it.  

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:25 | 2005901 Silver Dreamer
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My wife keeps saying, "Nothing is going to happen."  That's fine.  She's free to believe what she wishes.  For my children's sake though, I'll continue to prepare for the worst.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:39 | 2005387 proLiberty
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While I believe the Second protects all the rest, the real weapon that makes the Power Crowd in DC crap their pants is that we are this >< close to having as many states that formally oppose ObamaCare (TM) as can call for a convention that can end-run around all of DC and propse amendments to the Constiution for the states to ratify.  Without firing a shot, We The People can vote to disolve the present government.  I know that scares a lot of liberty-oriented people, and it should.  But the time may soon be upon us where the dangers of what a Convention might propose are sufficiently outweighed by the real abuses, outrages and insults of the PowerCrowd.  We must escape from the indentured servant status they have put is in, somehow!

Having said that, it is prudent to include brass and lead along with any silver and gold as items of great use and barter potential.

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:11 | 2005399 OliverTwist
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As I see it:

1) First they are giving you the feeling of paradise: and you buy houses, cars, plasma TVs, Sex,Drugs and R&R... and all the rest. Perfect world!

2) then they are scaring you to death: and you buy guns, gold, ammo ... and all the rest. World collapse!

People wake up! You are not human beings any more if you act like this! You are just manipulated CONSUMENTS! All that you do is talk, talk, talk and BUY BUY BUY! The only thing changing is your motivation! Sometimes you BUY out of joy, another day you BUY out of fear. It does not matter, but YOU BUY! And THEY ARE EARNING!

 

 update: connecting emotions (the more kind the better is) with consume! This is the big project going on!

if you feel happy you buy something

if you love somebody you buy something

if you feel sad you buy something

if you feel ... you don't really know how ... but you just buy something

You see the constant in this equation? It is consum! The groth based = consume based society!

Observe yourself, your emotions and get alerted if you can see this connections between emotions and consum!

It was not always like this! It is not true that you express your love with a gift, your fear with a gun and your joy with a bottle of alcohol!!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:12 | 2005485 kk1532003
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right....

 

Except I was buying guns and ammo 15 years ago during the "happy times".  Not out of fear, but as an integral part of a self reliant lifestyle.  99% of people will never get that.  They don't know where their food and water comes from, they couldn't fend for themselves if they had to.  They sit on their ass, flip on a switch and shit magically shows up in front of them.  But what if someday that switch no longer works?

 

So if I'm wrong, I just have a bunch of un-necessary knowledge, food and lead.  But if YOU are wrong...what then....

 

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:22 | 2005530 OliverTwist
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ok KK,

i see your point and I agree. Self reliant I want to be too! I love the feeling of freedom and indipendence. So knowledge, some guns and ammo and the rest is good!

But explain me the point in having arms in the range of that we could blow up the WHOLE PLANET 10 times!!?

A lot of countries have these kind of arsenal! They (thank God) dont use it but they spend a shitload of money on it every year! And now what do I see (and read here)? A lot of private person are taking the same road. I mean come on: some of these guys have guns and ammo that you could fight a third WW! And they are still buying!

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:30 | 2005913 Silver Dreamer
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Have you ever heard of the militia?  Would you rather the military and police be the only ones armed to the teeth?  No thanks.  I'll keep my guns and ammunition.  They are not for hunting either.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:25 | 2005552 OliverTwist
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The other point is. Self reliant is good but a good society is far better! You can not learn and do everything by yourself! You can learn a lot but you will still have a low lifestyle and you have to work all day for it.

 I think we should work toghether as a society and not work against eachother. You know what I mean?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:59 | 2005446 CompassionateFascist
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Actually not. The Pork-eaters and the Beefeaters have their own scrimmage going. And so far, both pigs and cows continue to lose.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:07 | 2005474 HileTroy
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OFF TOPIC Kinda

Last "Walking Dead"

Here is my main beef when Rick was out with the old dude trying to harness in two walker with that kid and old man. I think this is what should have happened.

He should have shot the two zombies and then the old man , gave the young kid a choice. Thats seems ruthless but hell he tried for several shows to show that old guy the error in his way.

To me he had a responsibility to the greater good of the people under his protection and leadership.

Just say N

 

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:09 | 2005478 Hannibal
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Rock and Roll, Bring it on!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:31 | 2005920 Silver Dreamer
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Agreed but I doubt many really want war.  Most will however fight one if liberty needs defending.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:13 | 2005492 NoVolumeMeltup
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Is anything more sublime than those often inexplicable moments of peace and supernatural calm?

When any activity you happen to be engaged in, from simple chores to tasked orchestrations resonate like electricity.

When the pain and struggle we are accustomed to in our daily affairs fade like forgotten seasons past?

When there is a profound importance in all you witness; leaves in restless, twisting flux, clouds forming sculptures, grass growing ever forth to its relative sky.

Is there any grain of doubt that harmony is our intended and proper state of existence? Yes, we must kill to eat and on the surface, it appears that there is no compatibility here with spiritual aspirations. But do you know how the "godless savage" cultures coped with that dilemma? It is by thanking the forfeit life-forms and honoring their their existence. But what honor is there to be found in a culture where agri-business and paper-bagged value meals abound? Where the more privileged pawns believe that suitable food just grows ready-made in the pans of the Whole Foods hot food bar?

And speaking of healthy living, how did our grandparents last well into their golden years when they ate bacon, eggs and butter daily? And they smoked pipes! These are instantaneous poisons to hear our benevolent medical establishment tell it. No word on the long term risks of "corn sugar" as yet. But times have certainly changed since then. They could live comfortably on the single income of a factory worker or train engineer. My America has seen historic participation in the food stamp program ("It's free, swipe yo EBT" is a catchy hit song if you haven't heard it). If the 1930's Great Depression had adhered to the Clinton/Boskin methodology of workforce calculation, their unemployment rate would have been, what 9.1% also? Damned lies.

This organized harvesting of our well being is by design. What is the endgame if we let it continue? And make no mistake, we let this happen and we alone can put our iron heel down.

I owe it to Posterity to shelve my ego (because that is how you start), throw caution into the UFC cage and proceed boldly towards a future that is appropriate for sentient beings famished for a better world.

Is there any substitute for a barn-raising whereby we finally find sanctuary from the cultural, political and financial gremlins that have steadily bored holes into the once sea-worthy craft called "Western Civilization"?

Is amassing company store credits (FRNs) in a digital "bank" account a substitute?

Is memorizing verses from Constantine's great political effort (also known as a Holy Bible) a substitute?

How about driving the shiniest car, touching the most poon (or knob as it were), being elected to the public feeding trough, catching every episode of the smash reality series; "Chaimowicz' Family Testicles"?

I don't believe so and I've resolved to transcend, if that's even possible. And no, snarky anonymous forum-goer, you are in no position to council me on the viability of the project. All you have available to you is scornful laughter, but there is exponentially louder laughter already directed your way whether you realize it or not.

When I can retreat to the state of peace discussed earlier, or better yet when you kind souls can do it with me,
to this lasting, non-grasping, all-encompassing state of light and love what we are actually doing is raising the vibrational standard of all existence.

The unprepared or those fighting what's inevitable are going observably crazy, gnashing teeth and seeking to hide from their folly to no avail.

That is why the truth cuts them. And yet it also strikes a chord of emotion with our brothers and sisters who wish to find their path to meaning.

Because this is the nonviolent (the gods-willing) reclamation of human and divine resolve, it cannot be corrupted with empty promises and it does not require a card, roster or dues. To borrow from the Carpenters: We've only just begun.

 

Original work - No copyright applicable until we see Mickey Mouse in the public doman and/or Corporate Personhood is abolished.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:39 | 2005941 Cathartes Aura
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lyrical, with spice - look forward to finding your posts again. . .

peace, to you and yours.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:41 | 2006189 NoVolumeMeltup
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Thanks. You honor me.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:15 | 2005502 augmister
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When the EBT cards have spit their last $$$, you will have to be armed to go to the grocery store... that is of course, if any weren't looted and/or burned.

Next year you better plan to have someone watch your property as you very will might come home to an emptied house.

Most folks have had a few years to prepare for next year.  Pity the fools that did not.   The media will be full of their "Sad Sack" stories....

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:15 | 2005504 Fred C Dobbs
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I am glad to the American people have lots of guns and ammo and are buying more.  ORI and Alex Jones are right though, the US Government is rolling out it's high tech weapons.  

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:26 | 2005556 kk1532003
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In Vietnam the US had:

Jet aircraft

Helicopters

Arc light bombing raids

Nightvision gear

Portable long lasting rations

Professional training

Infinite financial resources

 

We got our asses handed to us by some cat in black PJ's and a type 56 rifle....oh yeah, and the will to win a war of mental attrition...

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:41 | 2005944 Cathartes Aura
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don't forget Agent Orange, (Roundup Ready, eh) - the gift that keeps on giving, and knows no "sides" in the war on humanity.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:57 | 2008070 DanDaley
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The NVA/VC never won a major battle against US forces, never.  They did have Jane Fonda and a substantial number of Democrats on their side, however.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:17 | 2005507 Waterfallsparkles
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I think that the biggest problem is that at least 40% of the People live on the Government.  You have 40% of the Population that lives with a Welfare Check, Government housing (Section 8), Food Stamps and Medical coverage thru the Government.

Obviously, if there is a Financial Crisis and the Government stops issuing those checks we have a major problem.  Those people who are entitled will stop at nothing to get what they want, no matter the means.

Can anyone imagine what would happen if 40% of the Population suddenly has no Government check, food stamps or housing?   There are not enough Police to contain the situation.  Mass Riots, theft etc.  That 40% do not know how to provide for themselves and never have as most have lived in Generations of Familys that live on the Government.  They have never been taught self reliance.

I live in a Democratic State and I am sure that there will be problems if the Currency fails and the Government stops issuing checks. 

In this situation Gold would not save you.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:22 | 2005531 kk1532003
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If you are paying $28 beans for 20 rounds of .223 you need to have your head examined.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:26 | 2005553 Hannibal
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Al you need is a Vz-58 and a Glock 19. Everything else is fluff!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:27 | 2005563 kk1532003
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knowledge is your primary weapon

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:34 | 2005586 OliverTwist
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The knowledge how to survive ... all the rest is bullshit. (in an extreme situation of breakdown)

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 19:35 | 2005625 Money 4 Nothing
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G-Lock is junk, step up to a real handgun like a Beretta PX or something. No breech problems either.

Chack it out, rotating barrel to minimize recoil also.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/18156

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 02:52 | 2006566 Freddie
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Yup. Beretta has been making weapons for 486 years.  I think they know a little something about guns.

 

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 16:02 | 2008083 DanDaley
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Never an FTF or FTE with a Glock, and close enough for government work, so to speak.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:47 | 2005630 lolmao500
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Sic semper tyrannis bitchez!

Molon labe bitchez!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:59 | 2005677 High Plains Drifter
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a new world record.   i knew this thread would be a barn burner from the start.    just say guns and look out............ha ha ha ...........

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 19:31 | 2005757 lolmao500
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This thread is about to get an arrow to the knee.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 19:37 | 2005768 Reese Bobby
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Alexander Hamilton: "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."

 

And he was a frigging central banker!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 19:43 | 2005785 High Plains Drifter
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shit storm is starting now............ron paul attacked........

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/company-ron-paul-keeps_613474.html?nopager=1

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 19:48 | 2005798 RiverRoad
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Who's kidding who?  The military is the only thing backing the US fiat dollar:  always has been, always? will be......

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:01 | 2005840 voltaic
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You gunners have given up every right the Constitution has to offer and now all you have is your gun. Do you think that the police state you promoted, the military industrial complex you so readily support and the homeland security network you so gladly encourage cares about your boatload of guns?? It's laughable. You probably all have kids, wife, family and you are going to jeopardize them to fight it out with the massive police state? Lock and load all you want but it will do absolutely nothing. Are you going to join a militia that is tracked by the FBI? Are you going to build a bunker that any small bomb or chemical agent can destroy? Are you going to leave your kids and wife behind with loaded guns while you go gorilla? It's almost pathetic that you think your gun will save you from the police state. It may help you fight it out with the gangs and other evils that come knocking if the state collapses, but if you are not mobile, you are stuck with your small arms and your sense of macho. You are doomed. Do you think the police state is going to corral the mobile or the gun hoarders? Fuckers should have fought with the ballot box, since your box of bullets will only lead to your quick destruction from the police state you wanted. What are you going to do against chemicals? What are you going to do against noise and water cannons? What are you going to do against an army of highly trained, highly paid police and military personnel that are looking to wipe you out? You are game to them. The gunless are not worth fighting since they are not a threat. You gunners, on the other hand, are the prey with a bite. More fun. More challenge. More like the hunting preserves you visit for "sport". It's delusional to think that you, the 21st Century man, can fight the monster you created. The military spends $700 billion a year on weapons. Local police forces spend tens and hundreds of millions on weapons and training. You gave up everything but your gun and now your gun is more a hindrance than a help. Enjoy the shootout, I'll be mobile. Love your guns and feel safe in their metal hardness, but they will not save you or your family; they will put you in more danger when the time comes to get you.

Thank you for listening. I wish us all luck.....  

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:45 | 2005878 Money 4 Nothing
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Your wrong, here are some points I would like to make.

 

1. The Constitution is the default Law of the land.

2. Your Sheriff is the first line of defense.

3. LEO and Military are not on board with subjugating the American civillians.

4. Restore the Constitution / Bill of Rights as perscribed in our Constitution against a tyrannical Govenrment.

5. The power is in the Peoples hands, they just haven't realizied it.. Yet.

 2A ensures 1A and round and round we go.

Muster. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:46 | 2005951 Cathartes Aura
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you might want to do some more recent research on your point list, things are getting pretty skewed out there of late.

best wishes anyhow.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 21:58 | 2005962 Money 4 Nothing
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Negative, I'm recently prior service with friends in the Sheriff's Dept. My info is on point. We the People are empowered by default when our "Represenatives" have passed both houses and when POS signs S-1867 - HR-1540, (possibly auto penned) they have then broken a covenant with their constituants, The American people = game on.

The USA will be considered a "lawless land" in the eye's of the Bill of Right's because it has been scrapped at that point. "Battlefeild" people, act accordingly. UCMJ, not civil law. 

Your largest amount of support should go out to our grey hair brigade, Viet Nam Vet's to be more specific.

Look, just some helpfull advise for the future, if you have never served 1 day of selfless service to your Country, or handed over a blank check to your Govt. that your well aware could be filled out to the amount of your life or stood a post, shut the fuck up, sit back and let Patriot's like me school you. Keep your fingers off the keyboards and get an education. Just sayin... I will be glad to assist.

The spirit of the American people to be free is more powerful than the odds against them.

Semper Fi.

 

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 02:43 | 2006563 Freddie
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Not a criticism just an observation plus asking for your feedback.  In mentioning LEO/Sheriffs.   Over the years, our tax money has given them battle toys, cameras and other militarized s*it.  The Sheriff's are often political hacks out to grab more tax money and usually lefty/union politicians.  Keep teh crime stats down and fight hard for yearly benefit increases,

My impression of fireman is they like their union perks and benefits and will do anything to keep the current system in tact.  I am not convinced law enforcement is any different.  With firemen it is the union first - screw everyone else.  

The US Military?  Well they shot at the public before and I am not talking about Kent State. At KS there were firecrackers or shots before the NG shot.  I think that was a set up.  The Army did shoot at veterans looking for work and benefits promised after WW1.

The other issue is the public is easily manipulated by TV.  I hope you are right friend as you sound like a real patriot. All the best to you.

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:05 | 2005852 Silver Dreamer
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I honestly do not care if the NSA sees this response.  We are preparing for war.  Let them try.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:15 | 2005873 San Diego Gold Bug
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.308  the "reach out and touch someone" round. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:35 | 2005916 Frankie Carbone
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I handload 30-06, 270, 270 WSM, 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, 38 Special, 30-30, 357 mag, 380 ACP, .308 winchester, 45-70, 223, and 7.62x39. 

I can store the components to make 1000 round of ammo in the same sized box that you bought your notebook in. ALL of them, including the brass. 

Plus I reload 12 ga shotgun shells. Slug, buckshot and birdshot. 

I've go this angle completely covered. Have a look at that list again. Nearly all of them are popular calibers. Hell, I think I have the top 10 covered. 

 

You buy a box of Corbon 115gr 9mm +P personal defense hollowpoints, box of 20 for 20 bucks. I handload the same flavor for about $3. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:31 | 2005919 High Plains Drifter
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiwUAMY_Xrw&feature=youtu.be

 

shit storm continues on ron paul.........

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 21:08 | 2006005 msjimmied
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The articles in the blogsphere is going to bury him. A razor sharp focus on everything that's wrong with Paul...better to see the whole picture now rather than when it's too late.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:34 | 2005931 lemosbrasil
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Insane and amazing similarity "triple top" of may-july/2011 and now  (oct-dec/2011)

2 "triple top" with down divergence MACD and RSI.

Its impossible to hide the crash after Christmas and New year !

The crash is there ! vey closer than we all imagine !

see here : http://pracompraroupravender.blogspot.com/2011/12/semana-passada-falei-aqui-sobre.html

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 21:00 | 2005991 Ag1761
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Well I'll be damned, it's a christmas bounce on the ZH 710 (no. of comments at my time of visit) all these green arrows like watching CNBC heads rubbing each other up.

\gimme some red bitchez/

 

 

 

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 21:43 | 2006068 Tunga
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All your Bazooka are belong to us.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 21:47 | 2006082 Lord Koos
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I'll take gold for $1600, thanks

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 21:53 | 2006092 LouisDega
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Im following arthur Jensens advice in the short time i have on this earth.. "And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that... perfect world... in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 21:57 | 2006100 Bansters-in-my-...
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.223....???

Too funny....

Try .300 win mag.

That will catch their attention

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:22 | 2006137 readytoleave
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7 mm mag --- the most under-appreciated round in the world....

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:00 | 2006104 CharlesH
Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:00 | 2006106 VT_Republic
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“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.” — Robert Heinlein

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:00 | 2006108 surf0766
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Has any other article received more posts. I think the hedge hit a hot spot. I could be wrong. Great information on here for beginners... Thanks Much .

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:11 | 2006126 SILVERGEDDON
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Bachman / Palin 2012, baby! Double Trouble Ticket! Followed by their photo op in Playboy, a really bad porn movie called "Double Dykes Do Washington Doggie Dildo Style", with a crescendo when they finish their term with the Fuck America - REAL GOOD! tour, followed by all expense paid trips to the FEMA camp of your choice! But wait - there's more - free meds and indoctrination into the Mama Grizzly Tribe! Fuck, yeah! Good Times!

 Thank BIG BUSINESS for lobbying for the opportunity to run the baseball bat up the collective asses of the "American People" every politician talks about. Politicians are wannabe businessmen - but with no talent, and no capital, and no work ethic. They are what they are. Might's well get pissed at the raccoon that raids your trash cans. He is just doing what evolution gave him a job to do. Corporate World Co is your friend - NOT ! They run the show - every one else is cannon fodder at best, or a problem to be eradicated immediately at worst. The new religion of the millennia. Be careful, or you will be branded as a witch and burned at the stake. Actually, if you read or comment on this website, you are already doomed, 'cause the fluoride in your water, drugs and pesticides in your food, and poison in the air have not yet eliminated free will, or cognitive thinking, the ANTICHRIST of corporate religion.

HFT ain't good for me. CDS's gonna make some messes. TBTF gonna fall off a cliff. Wall Street is dead meat. Banks so bold layin' dead and cold. Gonna be prepper people, and the rest of the Sheeple. God bless this mess. I'm a poet, and didn't know it.


Paper sucks, you Wall Street fucks! I'll see you vampires in the sun, with my loaded silver gun. Yer goin' down in flames, from Lower Manhattan to the Thames. Your paper is I know not where, I'd rather shit my underwear! For, be there bull, or be there bear, silver is the suit I wear! (With gratitude, and apologies to Dr. Seuss.)

My dad was a gun nut, and gun smith - air force, machinist by trade. We lived in a town back east that had a 24 pound British naval gun once used to defend the river mouth from Indians back in the day, mounted in a concrete gun carriage replica up on a hill park mid town. My dad convinced the town council to allow him to clean off the graffiti, remove all the crap that had been shoved down the barrel over the years, re-paint and restore it to it's former glory. As compensation for his efforts, he would be allowed to ceremonially fire the cannon on Memorial Day. Well, that pumped me and my brothers up, I can tell you that much! Memorial Day arrives, and my dad and his equally gun nutty buddy had got hold of authentic Scottish Fusileers uniforms, and had a brace of guys playing bagpipes march them up the hill to the cannon for the firing party. We had done our part as kids, gathering up partially spent railway signal flares from trackside to "spice up the powder mixture a bit" as my dad put it. He loaded the cannon with cotton 5 pound bags of black stumping powder dosed with railway signal flare powder, rammed it home, added a big 24 inch 'shell" of styrofoam for wadding, spiked the powder load bag bag through the touch hole, and primed it with regular granular black powder for ignition. After a minute or two of blathering about the history of the occasion, he set a long match to the touch hole, and, instant glory - in the eyes of all the kids there. That cannon bellowed, spat out a flame of stumping powder and railway flare innards mixed with styrofoam confetti about 20 - 30 feet long! It was fucking awesome! Not one to rest on his laurels, dear old dad doubled the load for the second shot, and it was even better - louder, and with a spectacular plume of flame coming from the barrel. It did, however, drain color from some of the older spectators, who, I am sure, were looking for more of a PG 13 event rather than the Armageddon being delivered. The event was proclaimed a success, however, and my dad had at her again the following year as well. His ambition in the load factor department that year however, resulted in a number of broken windows in homes down hill that year, and the town council shut his "event" down. It was glorious while it lasted, though. My dad is my hero, mentor, and firearms tutor. I owe him a lot. Thanks, Dad, you are the best... and I will use the knowledge you gave me to uphold a moral compass, and defend those I hold dear to my heart. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:16 | 2006134 I got the Bull ...
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You gun supporters are all terrorists. You make people feel uneasy with you macho gun attitude, How could I feel safe knowing a Muslim terrorist with a bomb on board the bus, and a White supremicist on board with a gun. Who do I trust? Both are unstable.

 

I am glad the Government has passed the Anti Terrorism laws.  If people really cared about lost freedoms, why are you not rallying in DC. Instead og being lone wolves on a computer. Unabomber anyone?

 

Are you crazy for posting on this site? I only read this site to learn investment tips, but I find these stories alarming. ZH is making money off nutters. ZH is a infotainment blogg. Nothing more.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:28 | 2006164 JR
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The country that has guns in the hands of the citizens is free; the country that has guns in the hands of the rulers is not free. If that's nuts, I’m glad to be nuts.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:35 | 2006177 ZackAttack
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I think this is a big urban/rural cognitive divide.

I grew up on a farm in a very rural area. On a farm, a gun is just another tool, like a shovel. In this case, it's a tool to harvest meat and drive off predators. Not a lot of people have the experience today of actually needing (as opposed to wanting) to hunt for meat.

A gun is not to be feared, but respected. Out there, you could assume everyone was armed. As Heinlein says, "An armed society is a polite society." We were very polite to one another.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 23:15 | 2006182 Money 4 Nothing
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Domestic terrorist, get it straight. First off, if you believe there really is a boogie man out there, your disillusioned. We finance the best terrorist money can buy, Al Quada. You can always go over to Yahoo financial as an option?

We are labled these names and now deemed outlaws because we believe in rule of land from the parchments our forefathers passed down after they kicked Englands ass. TPTB take acception to these parchments, see, the only thing standing between us and tierney is the Constitution that will and has been getting trashed.

Without a Constitution / Bill of Rights there is nothing standing in their way to make our homeland the USSR so with that info my friend, wake the fuck up or grab your ankles. SHTF will not play favorites so sucking up to NWO will not help anyone.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:27 | 2006158 ZackAttack
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$28 a box for Remington .223s is a ripoff. I don't know if it's still the case, but Remington would mix different lots of powder, whatever they had, to average a certain velocity, not a certain standard of accuracy.

If you shoot a lot, you can save a tremendous amount of money, and produce top quality ammunition tailored to your specific rifle, with a reloading press and dies. It's really simple... Pop out the primer, full-length resize the case and de-burr it if needed, pop in a primer (separate little toolie for this), measure and fill the case with powder (IMR 4350 was always my pet load), then back in the press to seat a bullet (my Rem BDL likes a 52g BTHP from Hornady). It makes for a very enjoyable rainy afternoon.

After I'd triangulated on what my particular rifle liked (and they are all unique, with their individual likes and dislikes), it was no problem to build a load that would fit in a quarter from 150 yards. I'm a decent rifle shot, nothing great, but pretty much anybody could do it all day from a rest.

Fired from a bolt rifle, you can use the cases 4 - 5 times before they need trimming. If you add a new caliber, all you have to do is buy a (relatively inexpensive) set of dies for it.

 

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:37 | 2006180 CharlesH
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One of my faverite videos is about the Model 95

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtMu_qYKZ9s

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 23:13 | 2006259 High Plains Drifter
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3A7J898wgs

 

i love it when the girls shoot them..........

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:44 | 2006194 ThePiousPriest
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You know, if the American People choose to believe this same song and dance whenever a candidate that represents real change comes along and votes the other way for fear of racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc. then it deserves it fate.I cannot emphasize enough how America is simply the next emprie in decline, just like the Romans were. Rome had their "high time" acted in an extravagent manner. I believe they paid for it when the Visigoths sacked Rome. I wish other millenials would wake up and see the shit writing on the wall. We aren't fucking special, the so called "participant awards" aren't worth the fucking paper they are printed nor the federal reserve notes that were used to purchase them (even hyperinflated notes won't be enough to justify those awards).

We are expected to submit to the pissant baby boomers who are fucking leeches on the system who will rob my generations future to live comfortably so they can fucking buy that piece of shit Gucci Purse with Prada shoes all on cheap credit.Fuck that, go live in a home and rot out the rest of your days, your time is over.The young people my age need to take what they learned from the baby boomers and examine it very carefully, as alot of it is bullshit. I have no sympathy for the people who will be scrambling when it all hits the fan when their portfolios are hyperinflated into oblivion. Their idea of wealth makes them poor and let them live in chains, they deserve slavery. Fuck those who believe their possessions make them who they are, it just shows they are nothing and insignificant. 

I'd live to see some blonde bimbo who moved out to Hollywood to "make it" end up having to endure actual hunger, like the infants in Africa, instead of the usual "why am I not rich or famous enough to have people shop for me?" I want to see the the bankers who bankrupt this country have to survive in the streets just like the same people he screwed over. I think he'd be the recipient of some Mussolini-style justice.Fine by me, Ill bring the rope and the gasoline.This country now is not worth the blood of the veterans who have fought for it.Fuck standing for the Pledge and singing the National Anthem at games, it's just a cop out to make people think they are "patriotic". ZH keeps me sane in this fucked up world, I don't know what I would have done without it. I'm pretty sure I'm on a watch list at this point. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 23:04 | 2006238 High Plains Drifter
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7W2-1Yjqm0&feature=related

 

this song goes out to whistleblower.    the celtic warriors love you bro..........

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 23:17 | 2006270 CharlesH
Thu, 12/22/2011 - 23:27 | 2006298 bravhrt
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Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth?

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. ~ Samuel Adams

 

Si vis pacem, para bellum !

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 08:53 | 2006721 Waterfallsparkles
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Without Guns we would not live in our Country with the Freedoms we now have.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 21:52 | 2010893 Tunga
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3 days

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Dear one worlders; any questions?

Might be your last chance.

Just sayin' 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:13 | 2430009 Jonnyammo
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Of course it is. That's why I started my own online ammo store. Ever since Obama got into office, ammuniton & gun sales haven't had a cap and have been through the roof... surprised it took this long though for people to take notice.

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