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Japan's Ambassador To China Dies As Chinese Police Use Tear Gas, Water Cannon On Anti-Japan Protesters
Yesterday we described that anti-Japan sentiment across China was spreading like wildfire with some even suggesting it is time to declare war on Japan (see picture) in retaliation for the unprecedented shift in Japan's status quo vis-a-vis the Senkaku Islands. Today it has gotten even worse. From Reuters: "Chinese police used pepper spray, tear gas and water cannon to break up an anti-Japan protest in southern China on Sunday as demonstrators took to the streets in scores of cities across the country in a long-running row over a group of disputed islands. The protests erupted in Beijing and many other cities on Saturday, when demonstrators besieged the Japanese embassy, hurling rocks, eggs and bottles and testing police cordons, prompting the Japanese prime minister to call on Beijing to ensure protection of his country's people and property. In the biggest flare-up on Sunday, police fired about 20 rounds of tear gas and used water cannon and pepper spray to repel thousands occupying a street in the southern city of Shenzhen, near Hong Kong. Protesters attacked a Japanese department store, grabbed police shields and knocked off their helmets. One protester was seen with blood on his face. At least one policeman was hit with a flowerpot." And while the populist reaction was widely expected, the most surprising development came from Japan, where the designated ambassador to Beijing mysteriously died several hours ago after collapsing in the street without any obvious cause.
From Reuters:
Japan's ambassador-designate to China, Shinichi Nishimiya, died on Sunday in a Tokyo hospital, the Foreign Ministry said, three days after he was found unconscious on a Tokyo street.
Doctors were looking into the cause of death, ministry official Takashi Ariyoshi said in a statement, but no other details were available. Nishimiya, 60, was found unconscious on a street near his home on his way to work.
Nishimiya was to have left in mid-October to take over from Uichiro Niwa as Japan's top envoy in Beijing.
While coincidental, Nishimiya's death came as tensions flared up between Japan and China over a disputed group of islands in the East China Sea claimed by both countries.
It remains to be seen how coincidental his death is: perhaps no less coincidental than the suicide of the Japan's Finance Minister who hung himself last week for "reasons unknown" and who happened to be deputy minister for disaster reconstruction when the Fukushima disaster struck. The same Japan which for over a year has been calming the world that all is well regarding the deadliest nuclear disater since Chernobyl. The media will have you know none of these events are in any way tied to each other.
Finally, as all this is happening, China has started a navy drill in the East China Sea, also not known as the West Japan Sea.
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"Does the mob have no responsibility for the acts of the criminals they enable and assist"
Like Japan hasn't suffered mass executions, debasement of life and terror first-hand in the past? I can say first hand, what is taught in some history classes in China is far from truth.
Of course, in my school extensive time was spent on the allied forces vs 'the aggressors' of WWII, the result and aftermath. Far from true 'though (Thanks Thatcher / Major)! At least being given some leeway to question and develop critical thinking is useful, despite convenient omissions and emphasis on various events in history.
When you look at a map of PRC from the time of the early dynasties and watch it throughout the dynasties, I think an argument could be made that boundaries have been redrawn, territories annexed, and ultimately blood has been shed in these areas which could be defined as within one national boundary or another, (depending on the claimant).
Today China covers approximately 9.6 million square kilometres. Not saying China is all evil. Just saying.
@ Ch1: When will all the bleeding hearts finally bleed out?
Solid post NWO. I was watching some of the YouTube videos evidencing the maddest atrocities Japan committed in WWII against the Chinese as well as many of the other Asian countries. Burma was no cake walk either when they pushed the Brits out. It's really no wonder there is so much pent up rage. When I was in Korea I was stunned at how much they hate the Japanese. Same with the Philippines.
I have no clue why Japan would stir up these memories. They are substantially outnumbered no matter how strong their (unconstitutional) air force is.
There seems to be a lot of credible evidence coming out that Japan actually does have nukes. Maybe they do, and maybe that makes certain Japanese officials feel like they have a little more leeway in stirring up certain memories. I can't see a full scale war erupting there in the near future. One possible resolution could be that Japan publicly admits what it did in WWII (because it was so heinous and they've never admitted it or atoned for it), apologize to China for it, and as a gesture of good will, hand those tiny islands back to China. Seems to me that could go a long way to calming it down now and being some reconciliation.
All the posters above make a lot of great points. No nation or people has been immune from all kinds of horrors, and most every nation has committed them too. Everyone slinging mud about past events will never accomplish anything but to exacerbate the hostility. Everyone needs to just admit their own faults and crimes, atone, and move on.
Japan's continued efforts are to hide and deny these events. That is justifiably offensive, to say the least, to the Chinese. Japan should at least have the good sense, if they won't admit it all, to just STFU.
@ NWO : "There seems to be a lot of credible evidence coming out that Japan actually does have nukes."
Beginning in 1991 reporters for the National Security News Service undertook an investigation into a covert Japanese nuclear weapons program. Our work has continued over the years. It gave NSNS unique insights into the reasons for the misstatements and secrecy that surround the ongoing tragedy at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant. This story represents the work of a team of current and former reporters, fellows and interns for NSNS.
United States Circumvented Laws To Help Japan Accumulate Tons of Plutonium
By Joseph Trento, on April 9th, 2012
National Security News Service
The United States deliberately allowed Japan access to the United States’ most secret nuclear weapons facilities while it transferred tens of billions of dollars worth of American tax paid research that has allowed Japan to amass 70 tons of weapons grade plutonium since the 1980s, a National Security News Service investigation reveals. These activities repeatedly violated U.S. laws regarding controls of sensitive nuclear materials that could be diverted to weapons programs in Japan. The NSNS investigation found that the United States has known about a secret nuclear weapons program in Japan since the 1960s, according to CIA reports.
President Reagan and Vice President Bush
The diversion of U.S. classified technology began during the Reagan administration after it allowed a $10 billion reactor sale to China. Japan protested that sensitive technology was being sold to a potential nuclear adversary. The Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations permitted sensitive technology and nuclear materials to be transferred to Japan despite laws and treaties preventing such transfers. Highly sensitive technology on plutonium separation from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Savannah River Site and Hanford nuclear weapons complex, as well as tens of billions of dollars worth of breeder reactor research was turned over to Japan with almost no safeguards against proliferation. Japanese scientist and technicians were given access to both Hanford and Savannah River as part of the transfer process.
While Japan has refrained from deploying nuclear weapons and remains under an umbrella of U.S. nuclear protection, NSNS has learned that the country has used its electrical utility companies as a cover to allow the country to amass enough nuclear weapons materials to build a nuclear arsenal larger than China, India and Pakistan combined.
This deliberate proliferation by the United States fuels arguments by countries like Iran that the original nuclear powers engage in proliferation despite treaty and internal legal obligations. Russia, France, Great Britain as well as the United States created civilian nuclear power industries around the world from their weapons complexes that amount to government-owned or subsidized industries. Israel, like Japan, has been a major beneficiary and, like Japan, has had nuclear weapons capabilities since the 1960s.
A year ago a natural disaster combined with a man-made tragedy decimated Northern Japan and came close to making Tokyo, a city of 30 million people, uninhabitable. Nuclear tragedies plague Japan’s modern history. It is the only nation in the world attacked with nuclear weapons. In March 2011, after a tsunami swept on shore, hydrogen explosions and the subsequent meltdowns of three reactors at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant spewed radiation across the region. Like the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan will face the aftermath for generations. A twelve-mile area around the site is considered uninhabitable. It is a national sacrifice zone.
How Japan ended up in this nuclear nightmare is a subject the National Security News Service has been investigating since 1991. We learned that Japan had a dual use nuclear program. The public program was to develop and provide unlimited energy for the country. But there was also a secret component, an undeclared nuclear weapons program that would allow Japan to amass enough nuclear material and technology to become a major nuclear power on short notice.
That secret effort was hidden in a nuclear power program that by March 11, 2011– the day the earthquake and tsunami overwhelmed the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Plant – had amassed 70 metric tons of plutonium. Like its use of civilian nuclear power to hide a secret bomb program, Japan used peaceful space exploration as a cover for developing sophisticated nuclear weapons delivery systems.
Political leaders in Japan understood that the only way the Japanese people could be convinced to allow nuclear power into their lives was if a long line of governments and industry hid any military application. For that reason, a succession of Japanese governments colluded on a bomb program disguised as innocent energy and civil space programs. The irony, of course, is that Japan had gone to war in 1941 to secure its energy future only to become the sole nation attacked with nuclear weapons.
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Thank you matrix! That report was the primary basis for my statement!
" NWO" Japan has more nukes then we can count! OKINAWA! "6th fleet"
Careful there buddy.
"I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of nuclear weapons aboard the..." Know what I'm saying?
I've been interested in how Japan went from an insular, feudal society to a modern military power in a short time. It seems the funding came from the usual suspects. From samurai to warships...
Anyone with some insight?
Fuck that noise, Son.
Mao killed 60 MILLION CHINESE and nobody in China even wants to know about it. How's that for re-education about REAL history?
The whole of China is a re-education camp, FFS.
Now, run along back to the Huffington Post comments section where "touchy feely" gets some traction.
Wait a second, i see you've got some green arrows. I guess you've brought friends.
60 MILLION!
Nice! Just tell it like it is.
+1 BigInJapan A lot of posters from the Daily Commie these days
Innocents Betrayed - Gun Control History - Genocide Disarming Populations
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v19384745tgeTy96g?h1=Innocents+Betrayed+-+Gun+Control+History+-+Genocide+Disarming+Populations
Lincoln killed 600,000 and is deified.
What makes the difference is the in group out group morality.
Americans give their government a pass on basically all the evil it has done.
This is 2012 but that darn Lincoln freeing those slaves pointing out that the Commies killed millions is giving American's a pass in what way? LMAO
Lincoln himself said he cared not whether the slaves remained slaves or were free -- his main concern above all else and at any cost was to keep the union together -- but you just keep laughing and entertaining yourself
Take a little drive ( very quickly, windows up) through the heart of almost any American city and then tell me that the slaves were freed, ever.
Yes, you are absoulty right that more Chinese were killed by Chinese during the Cultural Revolution, than by the Jananese in WWII.
You are incorrect to think that the Chinese are not taught this or have been "re-educated". They know what happened but its different, the Curtural Revolution was Chinese killing Chinese. Totally different in thier eyes. They feel no anger towards thier own actions, they view it as a necessary evil.
"The Cultural Revolution" Was the 60's in the West, What you had in China was a Communist Revolution.
"they view it as a necessary evil." Duh? All Statists justify the means to their ends. Opposing views are permanently removed. What's your point?
he is a meat head therefore he has no point
My point is that people who think that the Chinese have no access to the true events of their history are wrong. The Chinese know that many millions died at the hands of their own brothers. It's just that they don't see that as being as bad as what the Japanese did. I truly don't think it is because opposing views have been removed from Chinese history or discourse, its because the Japanese were an external force.
Also, your wrong about the deaths occurring in a "Communist Revolution". The fight between the US backed KMT, and Mao's Red Army did not amount to a lot of deaths. It was over pretty quick. The real killing came years latter while Mao lost control of his chain of command and possibly his mind and pitted brother against brother as a projection of his own fears of loss of control. He was not fighting a pro-democracy movement. He was fighting his own demons in his mind.
+5 meatbag.
Seems history is a weak point for some here on ZH.
"But it's only a tiny leak..." Japan's PM told his people.
Nanjing Massacre alone serves as a very strong reminder for the Chinese people to not be forgetful!
Do you all realize that Japanese soldiers beheaded countless civilian victims across the Asia during their invasion in 1930s, they did buried the victims ALIVE as well after forcing them to dig their own graves and mass raped their women? Applied biological weapon experiments upon the many local people. They did plenty of atrocities toward the people of those countries they invaded.
This brief article may give readers some faint idea on how brutal the Jap soldiers were.
The Tears of Nanjing: Thoughts and Reflections on the Nanjing Massacre
In memory of the (at least) 300,000 Chinese murdered during the Nanjing Massacre.
What is often ignored in Western education curriculum, and unknown to Western society in general, is the fact that War in Asia had already erupted by 1937 with the Japanese invasion of China and the subsequent takeover of the then capital city of Nanjing, 4 entire years before the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. Japanese expansionism had already begun by the early 1930s with the occupation of the northeastern part of China and the establishment of the puppet state of Manchukuo. Full scare war between the Empire of Japan and the Republic of China officially began by July 1937 following the Marco Polo Bridge Incident. By August of 1937, the Japanese launched a full scale assault on the city of Shanghai. They were met with heavy resistance from the Chinese Nationalist army but eventually captured the city after weeks of brutal fighting. By then, the then-leader of China, Chiang Kai Shek, knew that the Japanese’s eventual target would be Nanjing. Knowing that the city would be lost, Chiang Kai Shek pulled out and relocated his government to Wuhan and later Chongqing. He left with most of the Nationalist army in preparation for future battles, leaving only a small, disorganized and greatly undersupplied battalion of soldiers left to defend Nanking. The Japanese slowly made their way to Nanjing after the fall of Shanghai.
The Japanese arrived outside the city walls on December 8, 1937. After 5 days of fighting with the remaining Nationalist army, the wall was breached. The Chinese army remaining in Nanjing were vastly outnumbered and outmatched by the superior Japanese forces and weaponry. After the city fell on December 13, 1937, the Chinese army surrendered their weapons and hoped to be treated with mercy by the occupying Japanese forces. They couldn’t have been more wrong. The events that followed later became known in history as the Nanjing Massacre.
Nanjing was embroiled in total chaos and lawlessness. The state of chaos and anarchy allowed the Japanese army to do whatever they wanted to in the city. The feeling of domination and power over the civilians of Nanjing and the powerless Chinese soldiers who have given up arms eventually overwhelmed the Japanese soldiers who saw Chinese people as inherently inferior. The sense of power they felt eventually led them to pillage the entire city and commit gruesome atrocities that numb the human conscience. The Japanese Army’s motto at the time was: “Kill All, Loot All, Burn All”. During the occupation of Nanjing, the Japanese army committed a gross range of atrocities in the city which included, but were not limited to, raping women to death, burying civilians and prisoners of war alive, mass executions, beheadings, and the murdering of entire families from children to the old and infirm. Many of the soldiers who gave up their arms stole civilian clothes in order to avoid capture. John Rabe was given assurance by Japanese military officials that soldiers who have given up arms would be spared. Yet this assurance was futile. The Japanese soldiers summarily rounded up thousands of people from the Nanjing Safety Zone whom they accused of being soldiers disguised in civilian clothing, tied them up in groups and led them to the banks of the Yangtze River for mass execution. These groups of men were lined up along the banks of the Yangtze and machine gunned. Those who did not die from gunfire were later bayoneted or beheaded by Japanese soldiers. A Japanese soldier recalled seeing “rows and rows of dead body mountains.”
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The full article is here: http://bit.ly/nDfW4t
Wow. Sounds like the Japanese are about to receive a blowback of Karma if they keep provoking others. As the other article on ZH today states, japan is in deep economic touirble so it is no wonder they want a distraction:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/visualizing-japans-debt-crisis
However, I think the higher road would be to befiriend other Asian nations and thus stimulte their exports to generate revenue, create jobs, etc. War is definitely the low road and an expensive path to follow.
Could this be one reason the Chinese hate the Japanese?
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/RM3.J.BAYONET.FACE.HTM
thanks Henry. this link documented more vivid illustrations.
Japanese Army's Atrocities (page 1 of 6)http://www.cnd.org/NJMassacre/page1.html
Please wait another couple of years before launching WWIII.
Hopefully, I'll be old enough then to avoid being sent to the front. But you guys can go if you want to ...
You won't need to be sent anywhere. The front is going to be right in front of you.
Ha! The Front is in the Backyard. Pa, grab the slingshot. Ma, fire up the powerwasher.
But seriously, worry not. The world knows better than to fuck with Barack H. Obama.
The world knows better than to fuck with Barrack H. O'Carter. /sarcasm off
There, fixed it for ya.
I see what you mean. Next time, you need to duck the punches.
There will be no "front"
China can't move any hardware that doens't fit into or onto a container ship. Taiwan knows this and japan knows this.
No logistics, and you brownteeth stay right where you are.
Chairman Mao killed 60 million Chinese!
...to avoid being sent to the front.
Start making your escape plans NOW. You may not need them, but then again, you might.
There is no escaping. There's no place to hide. You scream "someone save me", But they don't pay no mind.
Already been there, done that, got the t-shirt. My money is on the next front being the emergency room when the biological warfare is unleashed, or the comfort of your own bed when the hospitals are overwhelmed and everyone is quarantined in their houses.
Maybe Iran will be blamed, or Al Qaeda, but the true purpose will be to kill as many of us everywhere until our numbers are down to a more controllable amount. Being forced into the military will probably be the least of our concerns...
Twelve Monkeys. Brad Pitt's second best movie.
I don't think TPTB will want to just waste valuable human cargo like us. We can be made to do things like dig giant pits to the Earth's magma and dump the millions of tons of nuclear waste around the world into them before the shit is everywhere and even the elites can't hide from it. That's just one example. They'll use us up, until we just die of starvation, exposure, radiation, whatever. Same way the NAZI's used up healthy males to manufacture weapons until they dropped dead. And of course they'll tell us it's for our own good, and to save the planet.
The total police state is nearing completion. It won't be long before you and your neighbors will have to muster in the street at 6am so the paid thugs can march you at gunpoint to the fields for the day. Americans are utterly pacified pussified. Most won't even consider doing jackshit to stop this crap until it's too late.
again with this meme,
do you have an equivalent descriptive for the Nanjing story above? or the nuclear weaponry story also above? or one for the financial class that gambles on the "stock market"? or one for the FED that devalues currency? of one for the occupiers of Afghanistan, minding the poppy fields, then exporting them globally? while simultaneously sending drones to family gatherings, or using biowarfare as genocide?
etc.
are they all pussy? do you acknowledge this word as a culturally divisive tool parroted by useful cakeholes in amrka?
Bernays would be proud.
"do you have an equivalent descriptive for the Nanjing story above?"
Yeah, I guess you missed it. Included a link too. That descriptive enough for ya'? Does your eagle beak always outrun your turtle brain or does the beak rest now and then so the brain can catch up?
Sorry, anytime in the future I criticize something, I'll try to remember to append it with criticisms of all your favorite demons just to keep each individual post "fair and balanced."
Dumbass sophist. Heh.
I clicked your wiki link - given they are not your words, perhaps you can point out the "equivalent" label to "pussified" which is what my post was referring to?
my point was clear, but your dodge is even more evident. comes with the territory, no doubt. . .
Hahaha....that is waht a lot of 65 year old Germans thought too.....Your never to old to go to war......or to young.....
I clearly remember during the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, that there were ladies well into their 50's on the front lines, and in one case, our own MSM actually interviewed one who was 54.
There's a war coming. But I think the battlefield will be America. Everywhere. And no one will be on the sidelines. Ironic -- the NDAA law that MANDATES the indefinite detention of Americans, on American soil, "suspected of supporting terrorism" (whatever that means), actually designated America as part of the battlefield. They know what's coming. And they're running scared. A federal court overturned that provision a week or two ago. Obama, who fought to have the language inserted into the bill to begin with, but then said (as he signed it into law) that he wouldn't enforce it, is now appealing that court's decision. Surprise, surprise.
Dont think America will be the battlefield before the rest of the world will be.
The laws and mandates are being enacted as precautionary measures or or as part of advance planning.
You know, you're probably right. The battles will begin where food runs out first. America has an amazing capacity to produce food, even with most of its farmland sitting idle (paid for by "farm subsidies") that can be brought online pretty quickly. The cities are going to be hell holes pretty fast though. But yeah, we're exporting all the inflation of QEternity and that will continue to turn other nations into battlefields. When it begins to look really scary for the elites in America, they'll surely get us into some really major wars, big enough and with enough propaganda that they'll be able to pull off things in WWII, with a draft, rationing, confiscations, mass detainments, etc. I don't think many zh posters will need to worry about the draft. FEMA camp residents will get a pass. Heh.
***FEMA camp residents will get a pass***
Yah, like the inmates in Buchenwald and Dachau got a pass from serving in the German army!
I'd rather join the army then be a strapped subject to some crazy experiments and abusive forced labour.
Atleast I'll have a gun and an opportunity to run free and die free.
They damn sure won't take me alive.
Sorry about that Henry. I forget to say "/sarc." For a moment there, I forgot where I was, and that morbid bitterness disables the sarcasm-detection mechanism.
Actually, I think we're both on the same page.
Several dozen crop fires in August would certainly put a dent in the US farm output.
The US surely wouldn't be immune to monkeywrenching by other countries.
After all, other countries have a great teacher in the US.
Things must really be bad in China if they need to start a war in order to have a common enemy and forget how fucked-up their own country is.
True, stuff like that doesn't happen any where else especially in EU or
U.S.A.
The Chinese numbers never could be trusted but the economy is getting very bad they have empty cities, billions to feed w/food inflation
Are Chinese Banks Hiding “The Mother of All Debt Bombs”?
http://thediplomat.com/2012/09/10/are-chinese-banks-hiding-the-mother-of-all-debt-bombs/
If you read that you'll know why the below isn't any more good for them then it is for us
China announces £800bn stimulus to boost confidence
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/9500548/China-announces-800bn-stimulus-to-boost-confidence.html
Food prices push China inflation upChina in Revolt
http://jacobinmag.com/2012/08/china-in-revolt/
Why don't you read your own article that you quoted. "The picture appears mixed. China, geographically almost the same size as the Eurozone, appears to be struggling in some areas and flourishing in others. A new inland corridor, running from Liaoning in the north to Guizhou in the south, through cities such as Wuhan and Changsha, is booming."
The truth is that China is a lot better off than the rest of the world. Its domestic economy is large and growing more diverse. The hard landing is a decline from 12% growth to 7% growth, hardly a disaster story. The empty cities have been addressed 100 times. These cities are bought and paid for. Yes, they are not occupied, but that is because people have taken their savings from the past 50 years out from under the mattress and purchase an apartment with CASH. The money just moved from the mattress to the form of a real estate purchase. The idea is that they will give the apartment to their kids or grand-kids. They don't need to move into the apartment themselves because they were given a government flat 20 years ago and it is just fine for them now that the kids have moved out. Besides, they would never want to leave their daily Mahjong gamee with all the other grannies in their building.
800 billion is tiny when compared to the west's QE programs. And the 800 billion is going into infrastructure that really adds value. The highways are wonderful to drive on, the subways work well and are utilized by millions, the airports run like clockwork, electricity is cheap and seemingly unlimited. 15 years ago working in China was an adventure, now it is down right boring its so efficient.
People who repeat these nonsense conceptions about China either must have an agenda, or are just outright xenophobic and need to stick their head in the sand and pretend that they are still number one. Or maybe people are just stupider then I thought.
China is facing much more than just an economic struggle. They have an internal struggle for Democracy under their one party Communist regime. The middle class in China is now larger than in the US. Shout, shout the battle cry of Freedom!
The Chinese don't give a fuck about the farce of what you call Democracy, especially not the middle class. The middle class are businessmen. Democracy is just a thin veil over corporatism, so why bother to pay someone to be elected so you can influence them? In China, business and politics are one in the same, there is no need for Democracy. Their system is much more efficient as they don't need to waste resources pretending. The Chinese understand that sometimes to gain power, you need to relinquish some power. They are fine with their current political system as long as it continues to produce at least something close to what it has produced in the last 30 years. If the shit does hit the fan and the economy falls apart, I highly doubt that the Chinese will look to Democracy as a savior. They are smarter than that. There is extremely little interest in "Democracy" in China.
The Chinese don't give a fuck about the farce of what you call Democracy, especially not the middle class. ......
Their system is much more efficient as they don't need to waste resources pretending....
There is extremely little interest in "Democracy" in China.
WTF do you mean???!!
You dont want to play our game so we can beat you with experience?
You mean you dont believe in Democracy, 2 party game played by the people with money to make some more money? Like you fund a guy's campaign... people vote.... when he gets to the office he gets you favors and concessions... people get shafted... singing praises how they were "free" to make their vote count?
Most people can't comprehend that under democracy, as with all forms of government, you are no more important than a tomato plant in a garden.
You get some protection from predators and your function is to provide sustenance for the owner of the garden.
Time to wake up little tomato plants.
And their bridges are well built too.
The issue is not the quality of their bridges, it is on par with any modern bridges in the west. The issue is with extreme overweight trucks.
I've seen with my own eyes a rejected shipment of over 5,000 tons of bridge steel from China intended for the U.S. The quality of the workmanship was absolutely shocking. There were porous welds, torched bolt holes, gouges on fracture-critical plates, over-cambering, and on and on. It was as though the fabricator hired some rice farmers and said, "Ok, you build, hurry, hurry!" The work clearly did not meet U.S. standards (AAHSTO, AISC, AWS, etc.), which are not especially strict. But contracts are still awarded to Chinese fabricators by states and municipalities.
The Chinese export the crap and keep the good stuff for thier domestic market. At least that is what I see in my industry. The truth is that the locals pay more for the same item than the export market does. Want to buy a Chinese made electronic item? Don't come to China, they are more expensive. Pick one up at Walmart. You get what you pay for.
you're making excellent points here meatbag, appreciate someone thinking outside the box'd.
Thanks for clarifying, meatbag. I don't buy the line that China is in for a hard landing - whatever that means. More propoganda to diswaid American investors from investing in America and instead putting their money in the US where they pay an average of $100,000 per employee (mostly unskilled labor).
For China to go into a depression would be like the US booming in 1950 and then crashing in 1951. China's economy is robust, not built on debt. 1929 happened because of a huge debt bubble - the same as 2008 (the big bubble hasn't yet popped, but it will)
China has very little debt - they aren't over leveraged like the US, therefore, they can't crash their economy even if they want to. The US suffers specifically because people have bought into the belief that debt, in any form, is a good thing, which it isn't
I think, what is being called "hard landing" in China is the low Chinese demand for say Australian minerals, German Machinery and US and EU debt, which will have implications for these "developed" economies and it is their concern.
Otherwise how gives a toss about whether China lands softly or hard or wether on its face or its arse.
In the end it will be all about, which countries can source their food and maintaiin their infrastructure and which cannot. What is being termed as "economic doomsday" will actually be, how things should have been without all the various growth bubbles that have been blown by cheap printed money and cheap issued credit via fractional banking.
Things will have to balance out at an equilibrium point before the next growth phase.
But sorry fuckers, we cant bear the percentage decline in our "returns" that we have been seeing in past 30 years and we dont want to work for a living. So we will have a war instead.
LULXBank, your 100% correct. War is the easy way out for the current power base.
The modus operandi of the control freaks is the use of force.
War is the extreme use of force.
Rat, meet corner.
Bullish for Gina.
Makes sense to me...
Why not start WW3 over a couple of seagull shit stained rocks that are home to 11 seals.
blow up the world, just before they up blow up the dollar,that way it dosent look connected. ww qe3 biatchez
Ha! WW(qe)III
This is not, repeat NOT, in anyway related to the hard landing in China, you'd be a fool and a Communist to think oth- oh wait.
Good photos from ex-skf.blogspot. Toyoto, Nissan dealers set on fire, Japanese cars turned upside down, etc.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/09/chinese-protest-against-japan-over.html
Obviously they are testing a theoretical solution for channel stuffing.
Now they can collect insurance on destroyed vehicles at retail!
*bad-dum pshhh!*
Too soon?
the commentary section at above ex-skf link is quite fascinating, more than the pics...some comments quoted below are amusing indeed LOL
"The Chinese people are constantly misinformed due to their not having a free press, something guaranteed to the American people through the first amendment to the US constitution.
The Japanese people are more likely to have their government force unpopular decisions like restarting nuclear power plants due to their not having the right to bear arms as guaranteed to the American people through the second amendment to the US constitution.
All you Americans out there should be thankful that your country's founders had the foresight to include the bill of rights in the US constitution. Cherish, protect and preserve your liberty. "
"The US might not be perfect, but at least there you can publish your own newspaper and say anything you want (provided you can motivate yourself to do it). And you can arm yourself as a last defense against an over-reaching government.
Those who complain that money owns the media in the US seem like impotent cowards to me. If you disagree with the media, start your own and say anything you want. If you can't make a go of it, then maybe it is your message that is wrong. At least you have the right to try. "
what a useful idiot! LOL
Hari Kari Bitchez!
This could be related to China starting to trade oil in yuan. Drag them into a war with a US 'ally' as punishment for their evil deeds. Some serious sh*t is going down soon somewhere in the world, all it's going to take is a single spark.
"Following on the heels of his ridiculous remarks on naming the Chinese pandas, Shintaro Ishihara, Tokyo's bad-mouth governor, again flung poisonous words at Diaoyu Islands.
In an article published by Japan's Sankei Shimbun on July 2, the hard line conservative politician speaks of China using an insulting term “Shina”, and warned that any compromise on the issues of Diaoyu Islands would be “nothing short of suicide”.
Ishihara alleged in the article: "Tracing back the history, we will find that only the 'absolute power' could change the world. The power, in brief, is armed force."
Ishihara turned out to be a ridicule in China's online space when he proposed on June 28 that if a panda leased from China gives birth to a cub at a Tokyo zoo, it should be named "Sen Sen" and "Kaku Kaku", after the Japanese name "Senkaku" for the Chinese Diaoyu Islands."
http://english.sina.com/china/2012/0702/482562.html
Looks like the far right Japanese itching for conflict to distract their sheeples after Fuki. Classic.
First Sankau, then Quemoy, then Matsu, then...
They must be stopped now!
"Mable, I think we shold take the kids to Little Rock instead of that cruise down the Yangtse. What do ya say?"
China should wait. Greece will have some islands for procurement soon.
Not to mention Japanese have actively prevented, via bribes and lobbying, lot of Asian countires from developing mass transit systems, just to sell their cheap Hondas and Suzuki's and the pollution and crowding that comes with it.
They basically screwed their Asian neighbours to pay for US bonds.
There are several things going on here. First off, the people in the streets could care less about there being any value in the islands. The mere fact that the Japanese are "challenging" a Chinese position is reason enough. Be it an island, or a bowl of noodles.
The reason the average person cares so much has been answered by others, but the fact of the matter is that the Chinese have been taught from primary school that the Japanese plundered China during WWII. Very few people who were alive during WWII can speak English, so I have not heard it first hand from them, but the younger generation has been taught that the Japanese were worse then the Nazi's.
Recent years (especially after the 2008 Olympics and the rapid recovery after the financial crisis) have created something very new in China. In years past, the Chinese understood that they must quietly pretend to respect outsiders, Japanese and Westerners alike, because they needed their money and technology to re-build. Most Asian's, but especially Chinese, are very patient and they have swallowed their pride and pretended to be humble all the while sucking every penny out of any foreigner foolish enough to set up a Joint Venture with a Chinese firm.
Well, now the time has come for China. The young people of China have a tremendous sense of accomplishment and no sense of how hard their parents worked to achieve it. They have seen 30 years of explosive growth. As long as you were breathing, you could make money just by being carried along by the tidal wave of growth.
So, I was caught up in three hours of traffic this afternoon because the police had blocked off a square kilometer around the Japanese Embassy. Young Chinese in their Audi's, BMW's and Porsche SUV's poked their heads through the sunroofs and waved Chinese flags around. The atmosphere was like a party. After finding a place to park their German car, they joyously joined thousands of others in the streets, marching and chanting. It was like a party. The police were very supportive and directed double deck chartered buses that were bringing in folks who did not want to bother finding a parking space for their Ferrari. (And, no, I am not joking).
I guess it is just human nature, the young Chinese have never seen hardship, they have never tasted the pain of war. It all seems so exciting to them and it is certainly not just the males leading the charge.
The real reason that the islands are strategic to China is because they contain oil and gas reserves beneath the sea floor, but perhaps more important, they are in a large arch that China hopes to secure as its territorial waters and thus provide a large sea buffer from all navies of the west that might be interested in placing navy vessels much closer to China's shores.
It's difficult to say what will happen, but based on the electric atmosphere I felt today, I can see that it is all to easy for even an ancient people to fall into the trap of thinking that the taste of revenge is sweet. Seems the human race will never learn from its past mistakes.
As far as politics goes, it seems that war, or at least a cold war, has very little downside.
China is Japan's #1 export destination. It's hard to believe the far right in Japan would destroy a pretty good economic relationship, i.e., a market of 1.3 Billion up-and-coming Chinese consumers.
....but ... stupid things have been done before. The head of the Bank of London commented on Germany only days before WWI, "the Germans would never ruin our economic relationship by starting war."
"Oh what fools these mortals be."
Your previous point about the omissions to the 'necessary internal purging' is what worries me the most when I see the likes of what you descibe today in China.
"Seems the human race will never learn from its past mistakes."
Yeah, seems that way, it's pretty hard to make adjustments when you don't know of the mistakes.
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sounds like China is having their "baby boomer" moment in the sun. . .
as the same sun sets on amrka. this is just history, and I daresay it has some of the same guiding hands behind it. . .
Pent up rage...were seeing it across the Middle East and now Asia...whos next?
China needs distractions also. At the end of the day they need to swing the attention of the people from their hopeless situation towards a big bad enemy so they start beating the war drums. Does anyone honestly think that these dots on a map that even Google earth has a a hard time finding really mean that much to either country in the big scheme of things? It would be like Canada and America fighting over a piece of floating ice in the great lakes.
It's all distractions from the real problems plaguing the modern world. Lack of employment for the slaves and the separation of wealth from the masses.
Carry on....
Wait a second ElTuco, I got 'distracted' looking at those Japanese robotic dolls for sale....I see they sold out of most models after that post above by James Bond.
Clearly preferable to those cheap blow-up dolls.
how can you ignore the country's border affected by the islet ownership and all the natural & fishing resources underneath the surrounding waters :D the islet itself may just have little value if any
It is a sad, and will eventually become a tragic occurrence, that those who push back against charges of Marxism being the guiding principle of the Socialist Democratic Party is so much on display.
Those who have no more than a tweet response, or an unctuous, glib retort are simply "useful idiots". They have long abandoned, or never been introduced to the long established and well debated virtues of the State and the social contract. They display the no knowledge in depth nor could ANY write sentence one about Herbert Spencer, John Locke, Montesquieu, or any of an entire period of enlightened thinkers.
They remind me very much of the human sign holders so omnipresent in our world today advertising the latest dish at a burger joint. They are truly useful idiots.
Social contract is horseshit. Contracts are contracts. Everything else is fraud.
Tweet responder.
Why are the sign holders who stand in the hot sun, holding a sign, advertising a product for a business and getting paid to do so, useful idiots?
They're doing more than the person holding a sign which reads: HOMELESS. PLEASE HELP. GOD BLESS.
I guess what I'm saying is that you should revaulate how you use the term "useful idiot" --- hint: walk into a Wells Fargo and see how many people it takes to help you cash a check.
I didn't present my point very effectively...apologies.
The sign holders are not doing any "thinking", they are simply doing what a mechanical flagman could do.
The "useful idiots" are those on this site and many, many others who also do no "thinking" but rather depend on vulgarity, tweet depth responses, and the fifty year plus propaganda made so popular by FDR that was simply an embrace of Marxist socialism. In the 1950’s it was called “creeping socialism”. Now it’s galloping with a huge throng of the population depending on its ultimate success.
No sentient person with a knowledge of the Socialist Democrats platform over the past half century plus can reach any other conclusion. It's there for all to study. To study that platform is to have the dots leading directly to Marxist ideology. The same ideology that obama was taught by Franklin M Davis, and a philosophy that obama acknowledges is his guiding light. His domestic, foreign, and economic policies are followed by those who Lenin labeled “useful idiots"
Some more news...
- Tuesday is the anniversary of 1931 Mukden Incident, used to justify Japanese invasion of Manchuria. Expect escalation in Chinese protests.
- Summer fishing moratorium in East China Sea ends today
- Kyodo new agency is now saying anti-Japanese protests held in 85 cities across China.
Shit will get even more serious this week, bet on it.
here is that "DXY" chart. [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img208/1755/15779753.jpg[/IMG]
The 2 oscillators below RSI, repaint. They are " real time". I left the last Fibi levels above the recent low, as that is where I expect the "short term" retrace area to be. The little blue/green dots are "parabolic sar" and the chart is 4-H.
Fuck you dolpheeeeeeeeeeeeen!
...and fuck you, whaaaaaaale!
WW3...
Let's get it done and over with already.
You won't find anyone in the US protesting. They go right to jail and/or heavy pepper spray. No wimpy water canon.
Pretty neat that there must be something that causes politicians to pass out in the streets. Maybe he drank him self into oblivion.
One massive race on one massive continent imagine how fast mass hysteria can take place.
I blame the globalists and middle men the import exporters in the US. And don't forget the banksters.
Heard the US was testing patriot missles. Hope they aren't for the patriots.
If supply chains to and from China breakdown that won't hurt the US economy because the stock market will go up.
Time to head out. Keep the list of politicians not to vote for with you as you make your exodus. I have to remain behind take care of the elderly and those to weak to leave.
Here is a "nifty" blog for traders that want to get a jump on the markets. Has all the news feeds, and Asian market feeds.
http://stockmarketspore.blogspot.com/ Enjoy ;-) It's going to be a "volatile" week.
To the junkster. " anti everything", stone age troglodyte,. /no comment/
Arigato, Yen-san.
Might be a good day for a sportscar drive along the coast...things are changing.
My sports cars are in Oceania. Things are changing! perceptivo you are.
Does this mean China will take its Panda back?
Not yet, they are going to wait for a bear market first...
Whoa, heavy stuff going down...Barry is thinking about chucking it all and heading out the White House back door in search of his old choomwagon...
Cause of the ambassador's death is unknown, but police have ruled out foul play. I guess police are stupid everywhere .
Police do what their bosses tell them to do.
Japanese police can do their job when they are allowed to, such as finally busting matching fixing in sumo; fifteen years earlier, two people in the sumo world were about to come forward with proof of the scandal, only to both die in such mysterious fashion less than 12 hours apart, and no foul play was suspected there either.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/28/world/toyoake-journal-sumo-wrestlers-t...
Japan is a very unique case, and parallels should not be drawn between it and other countries.
Piss on your grave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aB8kSNlz2A
The History of the Diaoyu Islands
The Diaoyu Islands issue was settled after World War II. The United States has nonetheless managed to turn it into a complicated dispute.
The Diaoyu Islands and surrounding islets have been the inherent territory of China since ancient times, and were first discovered, named and used by the Chinese. The earliest historical record of the Diaoyu Islands can be dated back to China’s Ming Dynasty about 650 years ago in a book titled "Voyage With a Tail Wind," published in 1403. The book records the first usage of "Diaoyu Islet" and "Chiwei Islet". The names refer to the current Diaoyu Islands and Chiwei Islet.
Hu Zongxian, the Zhejiang governor of the Ming Dynasty, placed the Diaoyu Islands and surrounding islets within China’s maritime defense system. It demonstrates that the islands have been within China’s maritime defense sphere since the Ming Dynasty. Japan claimed sovereignty during the Sino-Japanese War of 1895, seizing the islands by illegal means.
Back in 1582, the Diaoyu islands was officially incorporated into the Chinese territory as a part of Fujian Province. Until the late Qing Dynasty, there was absolutely no ambiguity as to the ownership of the islands. For centuries the Diaoyu Islands were administered as part of Taiwan (or Formosa, as Taiwan was called before 1945).
Japan took the Liu Chiu Islands, which Japan calls Okinawa (formerly known as Ryukyu Islands), by force from China in 1874, when the Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) was invaded by several countries. The Diaoyu Islands, though, remained under the administration of Taiwan.
In 1895, as the Qing government’s defeat in the First Sino-Japanese War was all but certain, Japan illegally occupied the Diaoyu Island and its affiliated islands. After that, Japan forced the Qing government to sign the unequal Treaty of Shimonoseki and cede to Japan “the island of Formosa (Taiwan), together with all islands appertaining or belonging to the said island of Formosa”. Since then, Japan incorporated the Diaoyu islands into its territory as a part of Okinawa Prefecture.
After the end of the Second World War, China recovered the territories invaded and occupied by Japan such as Taiwan and the Penghu Islands in accordance with the Cairo Declaration and the Potsdam Proclamation. According to international law, the Diaoyu Island and its affiliated islands have already been returned to China at the end of World War II. The Japanese government accepted the terms of these documents, including one saying “that all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa (as Taiwan was called before 1945), the Pescadores (or Penghu Islands), shall be restored to the Republic of China”.
Facts are facts, and history is not to be reversed. Japan’s position on the issue of the Diaoyu Island is an outright denial of the outcomes of the victory of the World Anti-Fascist War and constitutes a grave challenge to the post-war international order.
Article 2 of the Treaty of Peace with Japan, which was signed in 1951 by Japan and the allied powers, states: “Japan renounced all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Paracels.” Article 4 of a separate peace treaty signed in 1952 by Japan and the Republic of China declared that ALL agreements made between Japan and China BEFORE 1941 were NULL AND VOID.
As stated above, it’s perfectly logical to conclude that the Diaoyu Islands, being part of the Taiwan territories, have been returned to China.
So where do the claims to the contrary come from?
In part from an ILLEGAL TREATY the United States and Japan signed in San Francisco in 1951 in the ABSENCE of CHINA, one of the victors in the war. Article 3 of the treaty wrongly (intentionally) assigned the Diaoyu Islands and other islets to the Liu Chiu Islands, which was then under the US’ control. [THE US intentionally planted a time-bomb in the East China Sea.]
On September 18th, 1951, then Chinese Premier and Foreign Minister Zhou Enlai made a solemn statement on behalf of the Chinese government that the Treaty of Peace with Japan signed in San Francisco was illegal and invalid, and would not be recognized without the participation and signing of the People’s Republic of China.
In 1953, the United States Civil Administration of the Ryukyu Islands arbitrarily expanded its jurisdiction to include the Diaoyu Island and its affiliated islands, which are in fact Chinese territories.
In June 1971, Japan and the United States signed a pact to hand over Okinawa to Japan. The Diaoyu Islands were mapped into the handover area. China’s Foreign Ministry announced on December 30th 1971 that such a move was "totally illegal" and reiterated that the Diaoyu Islands and surrounding islets were "an integral part of the Chinese territory".
After 1972, when the US handed over the Diaoyu Islands, as well as the Liu Chiu Islands, to Japan under the Okinawa Reversion Agreement, Japan once again began to administer the islets. Even so, that agreement did not and could not recognize Japan’s control over the islands. The country is now trying to use its “nationalization” plan to pretend it has sovereignty over the Diaoyu Islands.
The principle of "shelving disputes and seeking common development" set forth by former Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping in 1979 has been the basic rule for China and Japan to handle the Diaoyu Islands dispute in the past 30 years. Both countries claimed sovereignty over the islands while waiting for an appropriate time to resolve the dispute, and neither country will make concessions in this regard.
Now tell us about Communist China's history in regards to the formerly free and independent Tibet.
@ akak, some info re Tibet as per your request tho it's out of the topic here :)
CIA In Tibet
Many have heard the rally cry "Free Tibet!", but few are aware of the past events that have shaped the Tibetan struggle against China's dominance. Exploring this little-known territory in a documentary currently in production, CIA in Tibet traces the hidden history of a secret CIA operation to back Tibet's fight for survival, one that lasted 16 years, to the rebellion that continues today. From CIA-supplied weapons, funding and training in guerrilla warfare to a conflicted Tibetan government and people under siege, the inner-workings behind the elusive mystery of both Tibet and the CIA uncover complex characters grappling with a history-changing geopolitical power struggle. The Dalai Lama, a central figure throughout, has been an icon of peace that has kept the Tibetan cause alive, but Tibet remains a political underdog facing overwhelming odds. How has CIA involvement in a Tibetan Buddhist world, a paradox in many ways, altered the course of Tibet's fate?
Produced by the daughter of a former CIA officer on the Tibetan Task Force, unique access to first-hand accounts combine with rare and recently declassified archival media, recent events in the US and India, and diverse perspectives from noted scholars and leading activists. Following Tibet's unrelenting struggle against what has become the second-most powerful country on earth, the film raises challenging questions on the justification for violence, the cost of freedom, and the evolving roles the US, Tibet and China play in our world.
TIBET - A REALITY CHECK
by N. RAM, a journalist from India's National Magazine from the publishers of THE HINDU
"The sky is turquoise, the sun is golden,
The Dalai Lama is away from the Potala,
Making trouble in the west.
Yet Tibet's on the move."
"FOR an Indian in Tibet who has no sympathy whatsoever for the Dalai Lama's separatist, revanchist and backward-looking agenda, this passable adaptation of an old Tibetan song seems to fit contemporary realities. A careful reading of the facts of the case reveals that this ideological and political agenda, pursued essentially through external agency, is three projects rolled into one - splitting Tibet from China, carving out a 'Greater Tibet' through ethnic cleansing, and restoring a moth-eaten theocracy , the ancient regime with some modest, if not quite cosmetic, 'democratic' changes. Each one of these projects can be seen to represent a pipe-dream, especially if one remembers that - unlike in the case of Kashmir - there is not a single country and government in the world that disputes the status of Tibet, that does not recognise Tibet as part of China, that is willing to accord any kind of legal recognition to the Dalai Lama's 'government-in-exile' based in Dharmasala."
"Dalai Lama; the links and synergies 'His Holiness' has managed to establish with Hollywood, the media, legislators, and other influential constituencies in the West; the plausible, yet demonstrably tendentious and false, propaganda material generated by this anti-China and anti-Communist campaign in the post-Cold War era; and (from an Indian standpoint, not the least troubling aspect) the Dalai Lama's continuing Indian base of operations."
"The Dalai Lama and the 'independence for Tibet' campaign have frequently referred to 'six million Tibetans' as a kind of proxy for 'Greater Tibet'. They counterpose this number to '7.5 million Chinese settlers' who, by implication, need to be expelled fr om what is described as 'the whole of Tibet'. They have also specifically put forward the revanchist political demand that 'the whole of Tibet known as Cholka-Sum (U-Tsang, Kham and Amdo)' should be 'restored' as a separate political entity. This is, by implication, a demand for breaking up three Chinese provinces, Sichuan, Gansu, and Yunnan, and the Qinghai autonomous region, and for ethnic cleansing."
Why Tibet is part of China
"Beginning around the end of the 6th century, China's multinational society began to weave together its many fragmented ethnical strands into a reunified cultural force. In modern times, in addition to the majority ethnic Han nationality, China has 55 officially recognized national minorities living on 60 percent of its territory with a combined minority population of over 100 million among its total of 1.3 billion people. China's national minorities in modern times have a population equal to the combined total of France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Austria.
The history of China's relationship to Tibet dates from ancient times. Tibet has been an integral part of China since the 13th century.
The Tufans (Tibetians) are one branch of the Xi Qiang (West Qiang) tribes who founded a kingdom in Xizang (Tibet), the recorded history of which began only around Tang times in the early 7th century. Up until this time, they consisted of some 150 separate tribes who constantly quarreled among themselves and sought mediation periodically from succeeding courts of the Middle Kingdom (Zhongguo) since the Han dynasty (BC 206-220 A.D.)"
"The 13th Dalai Lama fled to Peking from a British expeditionary force in August, 1904. On April 27, 1906, China, represented by the dying Qing court, as suzerain of Tibet, agreed to the terms imposed by Britain not to permit third countries to send representatives, receive transportation or mining concessions, or occupy, purchase or lease territories in Tibet without British permission. It was a policy designed by Lord Curzon, previously the expansionist viceroy of British India The policy aimed generally to protect British interests in Tibet and specifically to contain tzsarist Russian expansion into the region.
All "unequal" treaties signed by the government of the Qing dynasty during the age of Western imperialism, including those concerning Tibet, were since declared null and void by all subsequent governments of China, nationalist and communist alike. Four years after the British-Qing dynasty agreement, on February 25, 1910, during the chaos of the nationalist revolutionary uprisings that finally established the nationalist Republic of China, the 13th Dalai Lama again fled, this time to British India."
Travel Blog - Tibet Photos
Westerners appear to have a willful blindness about Tibet - The Shangri-La syndrome. Everyone wants to believe in some mythological, romantic fantasy about Tibet. It doesn't exist and it never did, but the myth seems to grow daily. The Western media impose on our imagination an image of some fabled theocracy where a reincarnated god rules over a peaceful people spinning prayer wheels.
The facts are different. The region has been under China's governance for many centuries, but was largely self-managed up to the 1950s when Mao went in to clean it up. Before that, Tibet was a slave colony, what the Western press euphemistically refers to as a 'feudal system'. It was no such thing. Virtually all the population was owned by the Dalai and other lamas and worked their entire lives without pay. The highest monks often owned 35,000 to 40,000 slaves. The prettiest girls (and boys) were confiscated to the monasteries for sex. Life was brutal and harsh, corrupt and punctuated by civil wars - the last in 1950. Life expectancy was barely 30.
Education was only for the monks because educated peasants are dangerous and expensive. Industry was forbidden because wealth of the population brought independence from religion. Torture was rampant. For anyone who cares to look, the internet is full of photos of the torture rooms at the Potala Palace and all the instruments used for gouging eyes and cutting leg tendons. You can easily find it. It's all there. The Dalai Lama was responsible for managing all of this. For the world to have given him a Nobel Peace Prize was an obscenity.
CIA monk exposed
What is behind the Dalai Lama's meeting with Obama? The US speaks nice words about China, but its actions say something different, and China has the means to show its displeasure.
As usual Webster Tarpley has his blunt analysis here.
Thank you for your post, Matrix, but the linked document contains so many egregious lies, Chinese Communist distortions, historical revisionism and outright pro-Chinese propaganda that I simply do not know where to begin in trying to counter it all. It does read almost read like some Chinese state grade-school text designed to rationalize and justify Communist China's ongoing war against the Tibetan people and culture, which is in fact only part of their overall war against ALL of their ethnic minorities, much as happened in the USSR against all non-Russians.
I am sorry you apparently so easily fall for such blatant propaganda --- I do not.
@ akak,
c'mon, you can do it more sophisticatedly instead of blatantly label all info about Tibet NOT in line with the official guidelines trumpeted by the mainstream media / White House / CIA / Dalai Lhama simply as lies, distortions, revisionism and outright pro-Chinese propagandas? LOL
Or just because of the info presented there negates all the MSM propagandas?
i guess too much to take to admit and accept the realities... easier to live with the implanted mind in one's head :D
Here are the folks behind the documentary project "CIA in TIBET" -- my guess they are all die-hard communist fans :-)> LOL
http://www.ciaintibet.com/about_us.php
Lisa Cathey, producer/director/editor:
With over 20 years experience in broadcast media, Lisa Cathey is an award-winning media-maker based in the Washington DC area. Lisa has written, produced and edited network promotion and programming for Discovery Channel, Animal Planet and Smithsonian Networks. The highlights of her past work include Planet Earth, The Battle for Rome, Walking with Dinosaurs, Titanic: Anatomy of a Disaster, and Wild Discovery, as well as several independent short productions. CIA in Tibet is her first independent feature-length documentary.
Paige Smith Lee, editor/story producer:
Based in Washington DC, Paige Smith Lee is an award-winning, Emmy-nominated documentary editor and story producer. For the past 15 years, her work has been seen on National Geographic Channel, Discovery Networks, and PBS.
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WHY is it SO HARD TO ACCEPT THE REALITY that Dalai Lhama is just a servitude pawn of the bankster cabals via one of their dirtiest operative arm, the CIA, to tease or even try to break apart China? That old man will regret his accomplice for he may not get the chance to ever visit his hometown again in his lifetime to witness all the progresses achieved by the Tibetan people with his own eyes, provided he does truly care about the lives of Tibetan ordinary folks there.
About the Communism in China, China and Chinese people are as Communist as the Federal Reserve is an agency of the United States government!
You'd better to scrutinize the authors/sources of above links instead of just firing out your groundless accusations against them! ___________ "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick MoynahanThank you matrix for the comprehensive history. As you say, Facts R Facts.
Spoils of war, and nothing more! The Islands are strategic for "Indian Ocean"<Yellow Sea>, trading routes. China has been dredging the "Indian Ocean" for 5-7 years looking for " petroleum reserves". Your post is extremely educational, but doesn't address the real reasons behind the 'situation'!
China isn't looking for a war. China is looking for "World Domination". One size fits all, and my boot is in your mouth thinking!
Thank you for some valuable knowledge. I know it took time to compose and research. Great job. It's the kind of schlorship this site deserves to have contributors make. Bravo.
"There will be wars and rumors of war"
pretty much a safe bet at any time in history, hm?
Chinese don't build ghost towns anymore, they now stage ghost protests. Some government controlled bullshit protests fought by government forces keep unhappy masses at bay and economy on life support.
China just "released the "KRAKENS" spawn" hAPPY mEAL SIZED. Cut (RRR) and loaded $280 billion, for "infrastructure projects" {AKA}, "monorails to ghost cities"<>
The Japanese minister probably died from a strss related heart condition.
Not the fuckin' flowerpots. SHTF time.
The fact China has remained historicly autonomous from the Western sphere of thinking is a noticable achievement. The British, French, Americans, and Russians have all tryed penetrating into the Chinese lexicon and failed. The internet isnt going to be as effective at inciting disidence like during the Arab spring either.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/05/27/china-internet-web-censor-surveillance-technology-security-google-yahoo-green-dam.html
Here is alittle exerpt to demonstrate why America vs China is another cold war 2.0
"China has stolen design information on the United States’ seven most advanced thermonuclear weapons."
•China is modernizing its nuclear forces.
•The number of warheads targeted
primarily against the U.S. mainland
will increase “several-fold” in the
next decade.
The fact of the matter is the west will not directly engage China militarily they will provoke democratic rebelion and student protests aimed at internal revolution. Then there is alway India, Japan, and Korea to do some Dirty work.
Here is one for ya " Vampire Boy", China subsidizes, it's "ENTIRE" military budget X3 on the interest it earns on "long dated" Treasuries!
Chew on that " Main Strea(e)m Media" sellouts".
China subsidizing their military with the intrest on American treasuries is intresting. All the other Jibberish wasnt neccesary!
Maybee they could have trained their Million man Army better!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=wDpuNrA55-A&feature=endscreen
and they just increase their deterrence power to drive away any possible wild adventures by some big boy(s)...
"China just tested its new ICBM, the Dongfeng 41 (DF-41), which has the Multiple Independently targetable Re-entry Vehicle (MIRV) capability in the end of July, 2012. The MIRV technology will enable the Chinese side to attach multiple nuclear warheads to each of the missiles, making it extremely difficult for the missile defence systems to intercept them.
China had recently tested a number of new and upgraded versions of its ballistic missiles, including the DF-5 and the DF-31A. The DF-5 is having an operational range of 9,300 miles, while the DF-31A is capable of striking targets as much as 7,500 miles away. The former uses a liquid-based fuel, while the latter operates on a solid fuel engine."
Oh and remember this guy - getting old does suck but gives one perspective - plus ca change and all that
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488667/Why-I-know-weapons-expert-Dr-David-Kelly-murdered-MP-spent-year-investigating-death.html
And that particular war (Iraq 2.0) was waged with overwhelming support from the "public" based on claims of WMD (why is no one in jail for that?)
Whatever erupts from this - be sceptical and cynical - you won't be told the truth. Just like Libya and Syria - oh yes we are bringing "democracy" to these backward countries. Like Iran - who invented mathematics and modern literture. US decided in the 50s that the elected government should be deposed and set the country back 100 years wrt social progress. Libya used to be a place where women could decide what to wear as opposed to a burqa. In spite of the years in Afganistan - not much better than under the Taliban:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/26/afghan-women-security-fears-inequality
Not much progress.
In my humble opinion - yes - this does explain it all: http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/09/16/world-war-iii-the-unthinkable-cost-of-preserving-the-petrodollar/
Wish it weren't the case. But worthwhile to keep putting the news out there.
Maybe it is wishful thinking but we can do better than this (I hope)