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Jon Stewart On The Ron "13th Floor In A Hotel" Paul Media Blackout
Over the weekend, following the Iowa straw poll result, we posed a simple question: why does the media continue to ignore Ron Paul (on both the left and right)? We followed up with none other than Paul's own response to this curious status quo. A few days later, it appears that the media itself has finally caught on to this ironic 'house of mirrors' effect, and while Paul is still not a household name, the self-effacing sarcasm this topic has garnered, has been captured best by none other than Jon Stewart in this entertaining clip that mocks the established mindset of the legacy media to not dare disturb the status quo, confirming that everyone, left and right, are really all just the same. For those who have not seen it yet, this is a hilarious must watch.
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I'm a social moderate and fiscal conservative (real conservative, not the mutated kind that some claim is conservatism, but is really a mutant strain of butchery that really is neoconservatism - or the neocon falsehood), and anyone who doesn't know that Fox News is NewsCorp's American front operation for the neocons, run by Roger Ailes, should probably regroup and throw out everything they think they "know" and all the assumptions they're currently operating under.
It's crazy that I'm considered a conspiracy theorist by many of my friends when things like this are in such plain sight. This isn't even open for debate. It's not like these various networks were saying "kind of" the same thing... they were using the SAME EXACT LANGUAGE. This doesn't just happen.
They blacked him out in '08 also. Nobody cared then, but now his message seems to resonate.
Exactly! Having every major news show saying "top tier" and excluding Ron Paul is NOT a coincidence. The MSM has outed itself as a completely controlled pys ops program for the continued manipulationl of the american citizenry.
Unbelieveable!
True, but unfortunately, the masses won't pick up on it and it will go on with business as usual. I'm like the one who posted above in that when I try to point these things out to those in my circle, I get the eye roll and "there he goes again" response. It's discouraging but I keep trudging.
I bet you that at least a dozen ZH'ers smiled when they read that line. I was one of them. Cannot hold a conversation with most anymore and have a serious talk about things. I guess that is why we gravitate here?
pods
Totally Wonderdawg and Pods. Gold, preparedness, unsustainability of fiscal policy, The Fed, welfare/warfare state...nobody wants to listen. Funny though after a few years of telling people to buy precious metals a couple have come around...increasing wealth always seems to make people listen and Ron Paul has been buying gold since $35/oz.
I think the best approach is to tell people Ron Paul has been right about everything for decades from economy to public policy to wars and most of all following the Constitution and Liberty!
you make a good point there, hard to argue.
Krugman would argue that Ron Paul's ideas would cause economic hardship, and that heroin can't and shouldn't be withheld from a junky. In fact, Krugman would argue that heroin doses should be doubled at the slightest signs of withdrawal.
I'd argue that Ron Paul's ideas, put into practice, are the only way the heroin junky, who is driving himself deeper and deeper into debt and health crises, gets clean is to go through some form of credible treatment and commit to forever forgo there old bad habits, bad advisers, bad friends and bad ways, generally - it's a lifelong committment, and it takes a period of readjustment, but it is the only way to not self-destruct on a longer horizon.
Cognitive dissonance is incredibly powerful...It is like bad magic.
Exactly. Illusory magic.
It does happen. Paul's followers are ardent but the rest of the nation, media included, thinks he is quirky.
That said, cudos to Stewart. Paul deserves fair treatment from the media.
With all due respect, NO, it doesn't just happen. I think you're missing the point. They used the exact same language, the exact same three candidates, left the exact same straw poll runner-up off the list. That doesn't just happen. That is a coordinated effort to shape public opinion between the major media outlets. There is absolutely no other way of looking at it. The level of denial required to see it any other way is substantial, though completely expected by me as it relates to our horribly unenlightened electorate.
Not only that, but most of them had the same order of the list... and the leaders of the poll weren'tt the top pick for the list. All the repeated "top tier" candidates were Romney and Perry -- neither strong on the Iowa poll results.
They're trying to cram two candidates the people don't want ahead of everyone else. I agree with you, it's coordinated, not accidental and increasingly transparent. They certainly are appearing desperate to handle this so clumsily.
+1, It was blatantly obvious from the shills reading off the "Top tier" names and counting on their fingers. I also caught a sense of consternation that they couldn't mention Paul's name when he was #2 on the list.. You can tell they anticipated getting called out for the tactic. Following they're masters may keep their job for another day but it terminal to their reputation and career..
Game On!! This psyops election cycle is going to be a lot of fun to watch..
You miss the point. Ron Paul refused to swallow a foot-long corn dog on-camera like the other candidates did. That alone proved that he was not up to the job of Corporate President.
You're right, but this isn't new. It happens nearly everyday. And Jon Stewart's show regularly slaps together the montage displaying it.
The MSM are worse than pathetic.
The MSM are a nest of manipulative, treasonous vipers. Their entire industry is a pox on humanity.
Future generations will not have "news organizations" because that will have become as discredited a field of work as slave trader. There will always be reporters and commentators, but some day they'll be given the same credibility as social gossips.
I have more respect for actual whores -- women selling their bodies for money -- than I do for these MSM attention whores.
"The MSM are a nest of manipulative, treasonous vipers. Their entire industry is a pox on humanity."
Just say liberal. That is exactly how a liberal media monopoly behaves.
No it's not just liberal news it's any mainstream American news outlet. BBC, RussiaToday, and Al-Jazeera are better than U.S. news. You think Limbaugh and O'Reilly aren't complete utter right wing nutjob shills? They consistently paint the picture to suit their agenda. They are not news people, just commentators, yet people get their news from them so their bias infects their listeners and spreads misinformation.
Actual whores are better than the MSM, they only spread disease to one member of the public at a time.
actual whores are probably a lot more honest about the fact they are whores, too.
+1
Whore are pretty much full disclosure about how they operate.
The MSM is a diseased whore that dresses and acts the part of respectable, informative 4th institution (de facto) of governance.
We are in big trouble as judging by the mechanism of whoredom that feeds the American Populace worse than useless information (destructive disinformation) 24/7.
Que the political nutcases that have found this site in 4...3...2...
No they don't post down here. They will start replying up top with a bunch of whacked out racial bullshit.
FOX News Running Another Online Poll and Once Again Ron Paul in the Lead http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/americas-newsroom/index.html
The poll is on the right side of the page.
Michele Bachmann 4.68% (1,211 votes)
Ron Paul 74.12% (19,195 votes)
Rick Perry 17.4% (4,506 votes)
Mitt Romney 2.58% (668 votes)
Other 1.22%
And check out The Daily Show’s Facebook wall! Hundreds of Ron Paul posts! http://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow?sk=wall&filter=1
I found that. I about fell off my chair after I voted and checked the results. In "normal times" he would never have a chance. We are no longer living in a normal world.
I'm not sure he can get past the electrical collage even if he got 80% of the popular vote. At that point we could see a real uprising ageist the Status Que.
I read an article on social psychology recently that claimed that once an idea or ideology was adopted by 10% of the population, that it would eventually come to universal adoption. If it is below 10%, no amount of time will ead to higher adoption rates. It has something to do with the number of times a given person hears about something (ie, a few times makes them think its crazy, a lot of times makes them accept it as truth). Ron Paul and his stalwart ideology seems to be fast approaching that 10% level, if it hasn't already breached it.
that may be the most exciting post I've ever read on this site.
but however , complete rubbish.
Brilliant riposte, man. You really got us writhing in the grip of pure reason.
His 10% threshold idea sounded pretty good to me.
complete rubbish, can you not think of a few 10% crowds that do not and never did become oh well , why bother?
it's clear you can't or you would not have posted such drivel.
The 100th monkey.....
Right. It's also a suggested principle of memes. If the media tells you enough times that you should put your faith in government, your money in theiving institutions, enough people listening will believe it and make it socially acceptable.
Hell look at the stranglehold religion has had on brainwashing the masses. Just emulate them.
The 100th monkey is a fallacy. It doesn't occur. The collective conciousness doesn't work like that.
duh. tell a lie enough times and people will believe it as reality.
That's how civilization has always existed: lies presented as absolute; objective. Divine and unquestionable.
Whether it's some king/"god in the flesh," or "representatives" of some "higher" concept--there will always be lies to allow the few to exploit the many.
And it isn't just limited to the "need" to subject yourself to said "higher concepts": people operate in their day-to-day lives by lying to themselves.
Most of what we sense and "know" of the world is filtered through our limited human ability at discerning information; all are just attempts at narrative. All theatre, nothing real--just representation; symbolism--guidance for the masses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0
Simple to see how shallow our human world is--our human make-believe world--just do what any kid would do. Ask, "Why?" And the question is indeed, "Why?"
Why do we continue with this make believe society when we could just make something better: the rules are rules that "we" have made--purgatories of convention; of bipeds that're afraid of themselves and of the world; of "freedom" to exist without capitulation to petty human attempts of making sense through the perversion of perception.
And yes: all perception is perversion; I am as you are: burdened with existing.
The Hundredth Monkey?
The 100th Monkey
A story about social change.
By Ken Keyes Jr.
http://www.wowzone.com/100th.htm
"I read an article on social psychology recently that claimed that once an idea or ideology was adopted by 10% of the population, that it would eventually come to universal adoption."
Yeah, but how many decades does it take for that to happen?
This has been pretty well documented, although I seem to recall the percentage was a bit higher. Nothing to quibble over.
The real problem is that there's a HUGE gap between the adoption of an idea by a population and the changing of government policy to support the idea.
There are any number of incredibly obvious examples of cases where way more than 10% of the people hold an opinion or view that is completely rejected by institutional power.
ok, amaze me, lay out your examples , let's see what you have.....
This Paulbot just voted. Thanks for the link.
This paultard did too.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/02/ron-paul-cpac-straw-poll-winner...
http://www.topix.com/issue/gop-debate-aug11
i was going to write the nyimes today because their article yesterday on the poll really didn't even mention Paul. it got even stranger, they mention rommney and perry. romney finished way back and perry just entered. also no mention on how bachman bought and bussed her votes and provided entertainment. i expect the ban from fox, but i think theliberal elites are also scsred because he has a lot of crossover there, out of wars, out of bedroom, end corporate give aways.
I URGE YOU TO ALSO WRITE THE NY TIMES AND OTHER PAPERS ABOUT THE MEDIA BLACKOUT ON PAUL
Don't write and complain. They are undead. Just cancel your subscription, and delete your bookmarks.
This JS clip tells you all you need to know about the MSM including FOX.....especially FOX!! SICK!!
The Judge, Stossel and Cavuto have all provided good coverage of Ron Paul on Fox. And I'm no Fox fan.
Judge N. had a fantastic interview with Ron Paul last night. Worth checking out.
He also had Steve Forbes on talking about a return to the gold standard, and asked him point blank "if Forbes really thought the US had any physical gold in its reserves because Ft Knox hasnt been audited." I was shocked to hear that question on Fox (although the Judge did have the Building What? people on once) but Forbes changed the subject to auditing the Federal Reserve and didn't touch the question.
the media totally doesnt ignore Ron Paul.....he comes in the media often as the leading supporter of the constitution...isnt he the most favourite among the Americans now...without the mainstream media creating an image of him as the main person fighting for the people, he wouldnt be this well known ...
didnt Bachmann win that poll in Iowa ....out of nowhere...Ron Paul was 2nd ....well thats how its designed to be ....he will be just there showing to the people that there is someone fighting for the people...but just cant make it when it matters most....and ultimately this keeps dragging on ...untill the end game comes ...
Did you even see the clip? It's a pretty fair representation of how Ron Paul is perceived by MSM. In the days surrounding the Iowa straw poll (where each 'straw' cost $30 a piece, by the way), lots of media attention was focused on Bachmann... and Perry's entry into the race. Paul was heavily ignored in the run up to the poll... and in its aftermath. At least until Jon Stewart shined the light on the obvious.
Bachmann won the poll in Iowa because she paid the $30 staw poll fee for every pledged vote (and still only got 80% to vote for her), provided an air conditioned tent on a hot Iowa day, and provided good ol' time country entertainment. She's not gonna be able to buy everyone's vote when they come out en mass on the "real" election day.
The mainstream Democrats should love Paul... if he gets croweded out of the Republican primaries and decides to make a go of it as an Independent... as he did in 2008. He will take away a whole lot of Republican votes this time around. Paul would be a really dangerous candidate, however, if he actually were the Republican nominee-- but that just isn't going to happen.
That straw poll means and HAD meant NOTHING.
You have a couple of thousand lunatic white people with nothing to do but chow down on fried shit and listen to horseshit cornpone country songs at some kind of carnival.
Give me a fukin break. that it gets any coverage at all is symptomatic of a country out of it's fukin mind on something or other. Iowa and pesticides , a little slack for that.
Nothing can be taken from that other than Iowa may be the fattest state in the country not to mention the biggest bunch of freeloader clowns hot for a corn dog, deep fried in some kind of shit of course.
You're Gonna Miss Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlOBMC1RLw0&feature=related
Thru the Rhythm
http://youtu.be/FjvI2AdsUio
great great great clip
Very Good! Enjoyed that.
Ron Paul lost my vote after his comment that Iran should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. It's unfortunate that he's failing in the one proper role of a president (as opposed to all the other roles that presidents like to assume, such as social or economic reformer).
Your country has thousands of nuclear weapons, Israel has over 50. Afghanistan has some. India, China, RUSSIA, GB, France aswell. IRAN will never attack anyone.
Don´t buy into that stupid war propaganda.
The Iranian government's own actions and statements demonstrate otherwise. For example, Iranian "moderate" Rafsanjani, who was in line to take Khomenei's place:
"Israel is ‘the most hideous occurrence in history,’ which the Muslim world ‘will vomit out from its midst’ in one blast, because ‘a single atomic bomb has the power to completely destroy Israel, while an Israeli counterstrike can only cause partial damage to the Islamic world.’”
In addition, you have the hostage takings, the Beirut barracks bombings (the most American soldiers murdered since WWII in the biggest non-nuclear explosion), the Khobar Towers, USS Cole, the Iranian involvement in 9/11, being the biggest state sponsor of terrorism according to the FBI, (having their own terrorist wing that has a line-by-line budget item in their government), Hezbollah, generally destabilizing the Middle East by installing puppet governments in Syria and Palestine, backing the Shi'ite murders of American soldiers in Iraq as well as providing training and weapons found among the insurgent groups, and most of all, REPEATEDLY SAYING at government events that they want to destroy America and Israel, especially when they get the bomb.
Again, if not for his stance on Iran, I would vote for Ron Paul. I agree we should not be in Afghanistan and Iraq. And I don't believe we should invade Iran either. Precision strikes on key government/military locations would be sufficient, would not put our soldiers in danger, and would be much cheaper.
While his economic opinions are great, his stance on Iran makes him a failure at the one role a president should have. He should stick to writing books and changing policies through Congress.
That´s the war propaganda of the Iranians. How should they ever get to Israel given Israels superior Air Force and ABM´s? Taht´s totally nuts.
Even your own CIA tells you the Iranians are light years away from a bomb. Plus the mossad is sabotaging everything (Stuxnet, killing scientists).
Given your line of thought you should be rather concerned about North Korea. They already have a bomb.
Check your premises.
Britain and the US overthrew Iranian President Mossadeq in 1953 and replaced him with the Shah. The Shah was a tyrant who imprisoned and tortured his own people.
If a foreign nation overthrew America's elected government and installed a puppet I suppose you'd welcome that event. You'd probably help the foreign occupiers and call those who fought for America "terrorists," right?
What's that you say? You wouldn't help the foreigners who overthrew your nation? Well neither would the Iranians.
It all makes sense when you know the facts.
You stopped FAR too short
The US had tyhreatened the Russians with a nuking if they did not leave the northern half of Iraq afer WWII (which they had occupied to guarantee a supply route for US Lend Lease supplies). The US wanted Iran's oil for itself (well, Britain, too) but Iran had other ideas. This also instilled lingering resentment in the Soviets leading to their invasion of Afghanistan later - and THAT smoldering long term mess.
But back to Iran:
AFTER the Shah was overthrown by the religious right in Iran (the only possible 'opposition' thathad not been completely suppressed by the Shah) the US freaked out and looked for a 'balance' to Khomeini.
The US and Saudi Arbia fed millions to (cough cough) Saddam Hussein and IRAQ encouraging him to invsde Iran. This set off a decade long war between Iraq and Iran (which killed hundreds of thousands) though most of it was a WWI like trench war stalemate.
After that war ended - and Hussein went to the US and the Saudis looking for more $$, he was turned down. However when broaching the subject of Kuwait - calling it the 13th province of Iraq - he was told by American diplomats that this was 'an Arab matter' and not of concern to the US. Hussein took this as a green light to invade and grab Kuwait's oil fields.
The US reaction - and presence in Saudi Arabia - enraged one Osama BinLaden who had previously been used as a conduit for funds going to the jihadists fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. While the US had used BinLaden for this and other operations (like traiining Islamic Urguihers for use in destabilizing Western China) he took umbrage to the presence of infidels on Saudi soil.
That led to 9/11 where the stated goal of BinLaden was to draw the US into combat in Afghanistan where the US could be bled like the Soviets - on 'home turf'.
George W. Bush - following the neo-con blueprint for a large permanent US presence in the Mideast (ad grab for oil supplies) used 9/11 as an excuse for invading Iraq though the proised 'no cost' war and transformation into a 'beacon of free market democracy' (and endless faucet for oil) never came to pass. Instead teh Iraqis were po'd about the US occupation and the Islamic world enraged by the US grab for oil.
Meanwhile the US presence inAfghanistan turned into all BinLaden hoped for - with Iraq as a latger bonus shooting gallery. Though due more to US financial market excessses, the US HAS managed to go bankrupt as well, another of BinLaden's stated goals.
Hence one of the classic examples of 'blowback" - where actions taken to further US interests have long term NEGATIVE effects far worse than what ever might have occurred without US interference.
good post
And I shouldn't have done it -- everybody knows that stopping short is Frank Costanza's move.
While I like Ron, I could never support his approach, but he did not support a nuclear Iran specifically... he (logically) reasons it makes no sense to go to war over it, when we accept them in so many other unstable countries.
Peace in our time= nuke them both NOW.
end of story.
Yet you fail to mention the carpet bombings of Cambodia, and Laos. The massacre that was the Vietnamn war. The meddling in the affairs of the Iranian government by staging a coup and installing the Shah. The invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan (been in Afghanistan 10 years now, 4th and 5th graders weren't even born yet when we started bombing that country)...oh and we have torture camps around the world. How about the bombing of countries like Pakistan that we provide billions of dollars in aid to?
How are your views on our actions?
muahahaha evil, eviiil Ron Paul for not supporting going to war with another country that doesn't have something almost everyone else already has.
You forgot Iran-Contra.
he forgets a lot of things
On Your Third Paragraph: If aggressive actions precluded possession, we wouldn't have them
How do you propose to prevent Iran from having them Ann?
Neocons love war but never seem to understand the details of war.
Saber rattling..nothing more. Norks do the same shit.. Iran's a nothing burger.
I think your missing a big point. Ron doesn't want to medle with anyone in that reagon, not Iran, nor Iraq, nor Afghanistan and neither Israel. If Israel is threatened by someone in the region he wouldn't tell them what to do. He was perfectly fine with Israel bombing Iraq's nuclear reactor and he said numerious times that they can take care of themselves and he would never interfeer with their national security policies unlike the current administration does. He would also stop all the foreign aid, majority of which goes to those nations in the reagon who are hostile towards Israel.
I'm sorry but you are falling victim to the war propaganda. Plain and simple.
Recent interview with the President of Iran
"Nuclear Weapons are the weapons from the previous century". "Our religion forbids them". "The world would be better off with no existence of nuclear weapons". "The Soviet Union had the most nuclear weapons ever yet it caused them to collapse".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEKnqi9NQQ
I gotta roll for a bit BB but before I do here's a giant web kiss to you my love. XOXOXO
"Afghanistan has some ..." Has some what? ... Nuclear weapons? Of course they do ... in that case, I suppose I should reveal that Australia has hundreds of the damned things ... so has New Zealand ... even Iceland has dozens of nukes! Really!
See ... I can make up bullshit, and spout nonsense just as well as you can. That doesn't make it TRUE. You're entitled to your own opinions -- but not your own facts! Moron.
I meant Pakistan which is even worse for the US because you stupid NEOCONS don´t have occupied it yet. You´re just sending the gov foreign aid whilst bombing the population with drones which raises the possibility of a civil war followed by a coup by religious fanatics.
Anyway, this American imperialism is going to end one way or the other: Either you go bankrupt through a hyperinflation (high probability) or you enact a sane foreign policy (low probability)
Ron Paul has never said Iran should be ALLOWED to have nuclear weapons. He has said the CIA briefings tell him that Iran is not developing a nuclear weapon (10 years away at least). Further, he states if we leave the area and Iran alone, their governments and people, instead of uniting against the United States - will turn against each other and collapse - so the nuclear weapon issue is war propoganda.
Interview with Bill O'Reilly on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNNoLFTkBqY&feature=related
I do not want to see Iran with Nuclear Weapons, or India, or Pakistian or North Korea, but the genie is out of the bottle so whats the big deal?
The "genie" is not out of the box with regard to Iran, yet... that is the whole point of the debate.
So you want the US to continue down the road to bankruptcy in order to smash any potential threat no matter how distant or unlikely? Why do you hate America?
There is no debate. Once they are armed there will be a debate. The US and the rest of the West will not be able to dictate one sided terms if Iran is armed. Nations with nukes are negotiated with, not dictated to.
That's such a f'cking lie. Technology like ideas are a one way street. They can never be put back in the bottle.
We'll have to handle Iran like every other nuclear nation that is not our friend. Deterrence through mutually assured destruction.
The genie is out of the bottle with respect to Iran.
Whether or not they can develop their own device they can most certainly buy one or more, and may have already. In fact I would be surprised if they hadn't already, but of course I have no specific knowledge one way or the other. It's just what I would do in their situation.
It really isn't hard to figure out what other people want to do if you bother to try and understand them, and des[ite the problems of radical Islamism the people of Iran are most certainly not interested in hostilities with the USA or Western world.
Current US military and foreign policy seems to result in more hatred towards the US and more attacks against us, and it really doesn't matter because we simply can't afford it and eventually the US will either have to pull the troops back from all over the world or abandon them due to bankruptcy. Better to bring them home now in an orderly fashion and use our power and wealth to protect US soil and territory and freedom of the seas and air. More military investment in space makes sense to me too, after all there is nothing wrong with being the best.
So this hystaria towards Iran in specific is unwarrented and will only lead to yet another war, one in which the US will again be the agressor nation as we were in Iraq. In otherwords, an unjust war.
At least that's the way it looks to me.
duplicate
fireball baby.
Your god commands it. Let's get it over with now.
Cut to the fukin chase bitchezz.
FUCK OFF. SERIOUSLY.
Everybody should have nukes. Israel, Iran, me, you, Bruce Krasting, Bruce's grandma, etc., etc. Then we would get to see game theory get interesting!
burn baby.
bbb
Iran is clearly a larger threat than most people here seem to think it is, and one does not need a fully functional A or H bomb to turn their rhetoric into devastation on a mass scale, one only needs enough enriched nuclear material delivered in a dirty conventional weapon to lay waste to a region the size of Israel, which is slightly smaller than Kern County CA (Bakersfield).
Also, I do not actually give a rats ass what the CIA did in the 1950's, the past is filled with inhumanity and just flat out errors, look at the potato famine in Ireland, one of the worst and most preventable genocides in human history, yet is Ireland crusading and plotting the destruction of GB? At some point sane people just let go of the hurts of the past and get along with living productive lives.
So, is war with Iran an option? I would say no, not any time soon, nor should we allow ourselves to be put in a position to have others start one which drags us into it. But, the CIA might be right about the potential timeline for a nuclear Iran, they might also be wrong, Iran has the ability to buy such a weapon, Pakistan surely could have sold one or more to them, they are not our friend or ally. Sheltering OBL and now allowing Chinese access to that stealth helicopter, though wouldn't it be funny if we planted that bird on the compound to steer them in the wrong direction? ROTFL, we leave parts of a barely flyable helo that looks stealthy but is nothing of the sort. Back to the point, Iran, as with Iraq before it, called for containment and not war. As to nukes in their arsenal it would be ideal if they had none, but I fear that ship has sailed or is soon about to.
From their point of view Iran is contained, Turkey, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, all either allied to the US at least officially, or occupied by the US, Azerbaijan friendly, Armenia not so friendly but also almost totally irrelevant, Turkmenistan still up for sale to the highest bidder for Caspian hydrocarbons and pipeline routes but otherwise pretty neutral, and capping off the trans Caucasus is Georgia with American military personnel present. One by one it's land neighbors have either signed up for containment or were shocked and awed. And it's gulf neighbors all hate Iran with more potency than even Iran's own hate for Israel. One could well argue that this is it's own fault, being the shit disturber it is, it's dreams of Caliphate seeding the whole Islamic world with strife. Twenty years ago I read a statistic that Iran's population was 80% under 15. So that would now be 80% MOL under 35, and I believe the plan is simply to contain them till they grow up and become older and more stable, less certain of indestructibility. People mellow when they have something to lose like a family of their own and a house or settled life. Young people like burning shit down and revolution for revolutions sake, middle class, middle aged people tend to want peace and stability. We grow more pragmatic with age.
What is it with you all 'all knowing' types? 'We' ? 'We' shouldn't or should do that or that. Wake up. There's no 'WE'. never was!It's laughable that you think that you are a part of that 'We'. It's always been just a bunch of lunatics (or just plain marionettes) playing geopolitical and never ending chess game. For what? What goal? Prize? Fuck all. Just to grow their egos, to fill their masters pockets and basically just have a good time in this bloody sandbox called Earth.Bloody fucking hell, I'm so tired of all of us talking and explaining to each other here about what is 'really' going on behind the Curtain, in the world, in front of our eyes.Thinking that each of us now better or at least more than the other. Marionettes of USSA are nazis. Offended? why? Like one of the posters said: what would you do if your country, you, your wife and kids and neighbours would be raped, bombed and killed everyday?and just because some fucker in far land thinks you need some 'democracy'. I would fucking cut everyones throat for fuck's sake. people hate America (not just politicians) down there. and you deserve it. I don't give a flying fuck about who has the nukes. It's tragic, yes. but thats not the story 'we' should argue here about. 'We' the people of the world are fucked by a bunch of idiots. Thats the only story.JMFC!
"We" might not own or run anything more important than our own bowels, but that does not mean we can't say what we think about topics that concern us. "We" are also not the Bears quarterback but that does not mean we don't like to watch a game or comment on the plays. And if we are as powerless as you indicate where is the harm either way? Start a revolution and replace those "idiots" with other idiots that will likely be even worse? These people getting raped bombed killed as you put it were more than happy to sponsor some of the most evil fuckers the planet has known but we should just look away as they attack every one and every thing around them? Us even. Maybe there is no "we" but there is an I and I am not going to lay down and shut or curl up and die up because of the futility of the common man overcoming the exploitation by a very few, or because a few ragheaded jerks like to blow shit up.
Do I care if "they" all hate America as much as you do? I wish people did not feel that way, but I also note most of the ones who hate America are insane enough to start a fight they had to have known they could not win. If America were as bad as they claim we would have vaporized them overnight and that would be a tidy end to it, we have the ability. 99% of it is religion and jealousy. They are too fucking stupid to figure out that the only reason America has what it has is that we have (or at least had) rule of law, secular government, and frequent elections. Admittedly our institutions do not shine as brightly as they once did, but the cynical view that we are deservedly hated ubiquitously around the world is just false. But, point taken about those that do, because I also note that when we intervene in foreign affairs for any reason whether it is a mistake like the Peacock Throne, or on humanitarian grounds, there will always be someone to hate us for it. Forever. If we interfere it is at a cost to someone, if we fail to interfere again it is going to be the other side that is disappointed. And always down in the cracks are the religious buttholes fucking it up for the rest of us.
Tight fuckin' rant. Four fucking stars and a gold plated, monkey shit, commemorative bust of Curtis LeMay for you. Rock and Roll sweetheart, Rock and fuckin roll :-)
We are going to fry you scum and make a better world on your ash, you are toast.
get on with it.
The nips fell in line you or what's left of you will as well.
Tired of playing games with your kind.
Snap to or toast , way past time.
Tsk tsk, no wonder you people are what you are and always will be what you always will be, mankind has moved on and allah is a proven failure, ashes? OK. Whatever guy. You do know what a joke the Arab world is don't you?
Yeah to bad a man with deeply convicted anti-war principles doesn't want American's fighting ANOTHER endless war in ANOTHER arab counrty. Too bad for Ron Paul.. Why don't you just go vote for Satanorum and let's get these bombs dropping! - Iddiot
False alternative. I didn't say to invade Iran and fight an endless war.
But you are saying it should be up to the US President to decide who in the world should be allowed to have nuclear weapons, correct?
Reality is what reality is. It is not as if one individual rules the planet and decides who can have what weapons of mass destruction. It is more like a consensus of sane people across the world struggle to put a very evil genie back into a bottle that is perhaps impossible, but while we struggle with that demon we sure as hell know who we do not want to have access to it. Most, no, ALL of the civilized people of the Earth regret the creation and use of nuclear weapons, Sweden does, Canada does, Bolivia does, even those in Mongolia wish it were a technology nobody ever mastered. But it was. The people of both the USA and Japan have a special relationship in part because of it, the USA because we created it first and actually used it, we bear a special burden as a result of being the only nation to have ever used nuclear weapons on the people of another land. Justified though it was. And Japan because they suffered two nuclear attacks that destroyed utterly two of their cities, like a mad dog that had to be slapped hard in order to save it, when the light of the bombs came they woke from a 20 year nightmare of the death and evil they had brought to other peoples in China and through a quarter of the globe. They betrayed all that was good in Japanese culture and it took two nuclear bombs to end the nightmare of death. But the two nations are still locked in this dance of guilt and love for each other, while the rest of the world has decided that the keys to power are not landmass or economic prowess but the ability to deliver nuclear fire to anyone that would stand in their insane way.
South Africa joined the nuclear club when whites were the rulers there. After apartheid ended and blacks ruled they ended their nuclear program and dismantled the weapons they had. Or so we are told.
Brazil had an epic nuclear program with a stated goal of nuclear weapons. That was put a stop to also, so we are told.
The US and Russia have made treaties cutting our arsenals from 20-30 thousand weapons each to what, 5,000? And those that remain are not targeted. A bullshit thing to say since retargeting would be the touch of a single computer key. But hope abounds, if something goes wrong and rocket fires by accident the bomb has no target.
It turns out making nuclear bombs is a lot harder than most people seem to think. Germany could not do it with the best engineers and physicists in the world at the time, thank god. They gave up by 1944. They tried to send nuclear material to Japan but failed.
Those that have these weapons labor under an undesirable burden. They have weapons so powerful that they cannot be used. Expensive they are as well. They only afford protection in that if a holder were to be attacked the whole planet would burn. The burden is the cost, and the fact that once one has such a weapon one cannot then change it's mind rid oneself of it. That is why I doubt South Africa actually dismantled all it's weapons. India sought and got an A bomb early, so Pakistan did the same. Then two of the most impoverished nations on this ball of muck and they spent billions seeking nuclear weapons that now will be pointed at each other forever, or till they are used.
I have to hand it to America and Russia though, this is a really impossible problem and yet they have trusted each other and really tried heroically to get through it. There is a long way to go, but MAD is not the threat it used to be. When I was in the service in 1975-1980 I honestly did not think we would survive 5 years. I expected the fire to start any single day. So there is a better nature to man no matter what others would have you believe. Still, there are people in the world that have one single weapon, if they can't get WMD they can fool those that do into using theirs. North Korea can't build a bomb, they tried but failed, sabotage by their lead scientists no doubt. Iran wants one but if they get one it will be on the black market. But they can still trigger nuclear war, by convincing the world they have or are about to have such in a massively insane game of chicken that might or might not be a cover for real development of such weapons.
And it has to be up to some human being by consensus of the people of the rest of the world that such dark and crazy nations do not get such weapons. I know this is true because BushCo used this very set of concepts to frame Iraq and launch a multi trillion dollar war against Saddam for personal and business reasons. But his evil and stupidity do not invalidate an otherwise factual set of realities on the ground in the world. Bottom line is that Iran is run and controlled by people who would be considered insane by everyone else in the world. Tolerated as cranks, like our own Teabaggers. But once in power they threaten all the people everywhere. Their nations have a moment in time to clean out the sick fucks, like Germany had a chance to wake up and end the Nazis, but they so rarely do (like we are failing to clean out our own sick fucks in their churches), then the world has not just a right but a duty to end them no matter the collateral damages. Bye bye Nagasaki, sorry for your luck, so long Dresden it was nice to know you. Really, I am so sorry it was necessary. But it was necessary, and if Teheran wants to go the same way then Bubye to them too. Same for anyone that thinks they can play with fire and not get burned.
You don't have to say it. It's obvious voting another neoCon (all canidates except Paul) into office will ensure an Iranian war. They are all just iching for it, you could see it in Santorum's eyes when debating Paul. Even Bachman displayed her blood lust for Iran in the recent debate. Hell Obama a democrat won under the 'bring our troops home' lie and he started a war in Libya! Paul for Peace or bust!
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No? Maybe we can use our F22s and F35s for strategic bombing instead. Both are grounded BTW. I wonder if you even know that?
Those platforms are not designed for nuclear strikes.
One is designed for complete and total air dominance, nothing less and the other is designed (Supposidely) to satisfy many counter parties who have basterdized a design that is essentally nothing more than a re-invented harrier. A modern F-111 if you please.
At any rate, we have too few of everything at the moment. Back in the cold war, we had hundreds availible 24/7 365
Comparing the F-35 to a Harrier is like comparing a Tesla to a Yugo.
right , the fukin tesla can't get out of the garage and when it does it crashes.
good luck with those things.
what a mess.
Even if Ron Paul want to give Iran nuclear bomb, Congress would vote no. So we vote for Ron Paul knowing constitution defended.
fireball baby!
Brian0918, take your Habara propaganda somewhere else. It's not working here.
fireball. nobody cares what you say.
It won't be endless when it comes this time.
sweet dreams.
You kooks pray and wish for hellfire and damnation on your enemies.
Well we are going to dish it out and let your gods sort it all out.
+1
If that is how he lost your vote, your vote would have been lost along the way anyway. The propaganda machine has won. Iran needs to be stopped.
I disagree and I don't like you mooching off me to pay for your desire to kill innocent Muslims. Get a job.
No... we agree. I was saying that the propaganda machine has won with the person who said that RP lost his vote with his position on Iran. I stand firmly against the machine. Sorry that my original post wasn't clear.
Whoops! Sorry about the friendly fire. I've got gin and tonic in my canteen, want a swig?
What do you do with a rabid dog?
Saying nice doggie just won't do, no matter the wishful thinking.
Isolationism is a demonstrably failed policy.
what a mindless statement, "Isolationism is a demonstrably failed policy". In fact, the entire post is silly, starting with a misplaced metaphor. It's like barbaric grunting.
Isolatism died with the birth of the Internet.
I would prefer that we finally pull the Military Units out of Korea and Europe and bring them home. At least to refit, rest and train replacement for the wars coming later this year if Turkey follows through against Syria.
History is what it is.
Go ahead and ignore it.
The facts you bring are too staggering to refute.
You are nothing if not full of clichés. "History is what it is".... I'll see your nothing statement and raise you two statements that contain truth... "History is written by the victors" and "History is a set of lies agreed upon". Your truth is a narrative carefully crafted for people like you. And for what it's worth, this is silly discussion as Ron Paul isn't an isolationist. But hey... keep grunting away.
If that were true, we wouldn't be overwhelmed with all the revisionist history we are getting now.
Your sayings, are again, demonstrably untrue.
When I was a kid I was taught that Columbus discovered America. How about you? The quotes I provided are self evident to those who are awake. I've read enough from you over the past couple of months to know that you are not. You aren't dumb, you are just asleep.
I was taught Leif Ericson discovered North America. He just ran away after getting his ass kicked by the locals.
Colombus discovered some minor islands south of North America. Ever wonder why they call it the West Indies? Frigging WOP still thought it was India. Hell, I think Ptolemy could have told him it could not be India. I guess math wasn't his strong suit.
Believing Paul would make a good president requires faith. I have none.
Did you know America got its name because the map maker was named Americus, and the ruling elite was too dumb to know that was not the name of the continent?
Look up Amerigo Vespucci.
I hate to break it to you, but the nuclear genie has left the lamp.
No one is going to be able to stuff that genie back in there.
Realistic assessment of where we are can save us all the expensive price tag and loss of life that the bloated and hungry-for-more, fear mongering military-WallStreet-industrial-financial complex would have the taxpayers and citizenry suffer for their profiteering/racketeering.
I don't like the FACT that nuclear proliferation will be the unstoppable trend now that the blueprints and technology are accessible to anyone other than possibly Burma/Myanmar (and if Lil' Kim has the tech, even they can probably get it, too), but I am fully aware of the idiocy of waging war to defy gravity.
The U.S. implemented M.A.D., and it looks as if M.A.D. has a longer shelf life than we thought back in 1989.
Cue G.I. Sock Puppets...
The proper role of imperial invader? Yes let only the responsible countries like us have them. If they didn't have oil, we would care less. If all of the oil shops had them we would not be in this money sucking immoral venture and we would have directed money, lives and labor toward alternative energy systems by now.
"let only the responsible countries like us have them"
yeah like Pakistan.
They only want nuclear weapons because we are warmongering around all of their borders. RP would stop that, and thus remove (much of) the incentive for them to make the expendature and risk the international fallout of persuing a nuclear program.
If you are an Israel firster, you should note that the Arab world receives more aid than Israel, and that he would cut both off, meaning a net win for Israel. You can also feel free to move there and then do whatever you want, and suffer the consequences of your actions yourself.
Really? You actually were going to vote for Ron Paul?! Well, if that statement were true, you would be one of a very few Americans who actually voted their conscience. Contrast and compare the candidates, you can do a lot worse than Ron Paul.
Tyler, please consider promoting the money bomb on Ron Pauls birthday (Aug20)!
http://www.dailypaul.com/174349/its-official-next-moneybomb-on-august-20th-rons-birthday
He needs every cent to do tv ads.
Yep, he nailed it. Great to see pointed out the middle school "who's cool and who's not" level of our politcal drama.
Remember Ross Perot? Big ears, high voice, charts . . . snicker.
Never mind NAFTA and the giant sucking sound of America's industrial base and jobs heading overseas.
Cool people can't be bothered with policy -- that's for nerds.
While I tend not to like the concept of "controlled opposition".... it seems to me to be over-used, I question Ross Rerot. In the twisted space between my ears, I believe that Ross Perot entered the race so that Clinton could win the presidency. Funny thing happened along the way... he was on his way to winning. So he drops out of the race, looses momentum, and re-enters the race. Pulls enough support to get Clinton into office, but only after GHWB pushes matters along by yawning and looking at his watch during a made for TV debate moment.
Why? So NAFTA can pass. NAFTA needed to led by a democrat... the only way it could get through. The traditional base of the democratic party would have never allowed it to happen had it been introduced by an R. Ross Perot... after such great debate performances, squares off against Al Gore over NAFTA and looks and sounds like a babbling idiot. Al Gore wins the debate and the rest is history.
Not so twisted. You have your finger squarely on the pulse of the Novus Ordo Seclorum. You should post more like this. :-)
Nafta hurt the Country.
I saw it's effects first hand while trucking in both Mexico and Canada.
Lots of rumours that Ross Perot got a visit from the Men In Black, after he secured his flank he re entered.
the supporters need to boycott the cable news shows.. apparently Ron Paul supporters are a big part of the audience and Fox News doesnt get that.
Please Please Mr. Republican nominate Ron Paul. The only guy in the bunch who can beat Obama.
My dead cat could beat Obama in 2012.
He's fucking doomed.
assuming the game is not fixed
Why bother fixing the game if the end result is the same either way.
Do you really think TPTB give a flying fuck who is in the WH?....albeit as long as it is not someone like Ron Paul.
waiting for superman. . .
as this site constantly demonstrates, comedy is tragedy in a different wardrobe. Funny to see as the problems grow and Ron is proven right, their effort to avoid him becomes more conscious.
The entire nation needs to turn and support Ron Paul at this juncture. As for why the media is blacking him out...there is no surprise in this.
Must...maintain...status quo...pipeline into...free tax payer...money. Must continue...to appear...the expert...in all things...political.
This nation has become nothing short of a crony, marxist crap hole. And we can't be allowing the sheeple to wake up and see this fact...no no.
John Stewart has been on a roll recently. Unlike the Narcissistic Stephen Colbert whose standards keep droping. His the super pac is such a sham and stupid people keep contributing just to see their names scroll on the TV.
Felt good watching this y'day on TV.
John Stewart has been on a roll recently. Unlike the Narcissistic Stephen Colbert whose standards keep droping. His the super pac is such a sham and stupid people keep contributing just to see their names scroll on the TV.
Felt good watching this y'day on TV.
Robert Scheer the 90 year old hippie who founded Truthdig likes Ron Paul.
My wife grew up in the USSR. She told me: When only comedians (like JS) can tell truth, you know you´re living in a tyranny.
you married a wise one
Kind of like the fool in the kings court-only the fool could tell the king the truth without getting thrown into the dungeon because after all, he was only a fool.
Not the fool you dummy.
Watch for the very silent man behind the throne in the shadows intently listening to and mentally filing everything and everyone present.
Even the King is managed by the State for the good of the People... uh, State.
My wife is also from Russia and when I tell her about everything that is going on, she goes into rantsabout how we are F*cking retarded. I haven't been back with her yet but the picture she paints is that just about everyone is appathtic, does basically what anyone tells them to do and hides everything good they have because they are afraid someone will try to take it from them. The saddest part for russia is that all the real go getters have left russia for America. After seeing first hand the hassels of immigrating to america almost all legal immigrants are super hard workers. The immigration process weeds out people who dont have drive.
/social commentary off.