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Meanwhile In Beijing: "For The Respect Of The Motherland, We Must Go To War With Japan"
Anti-US protests sweeping across the entire Muslim world (which are continuing today), besieging, attacking and burning down US embassies, are not the only thing that the central banker policy vehicle known as "the markets" have to ignore in the coming days and weeks. Cause here comes China: "Thousands besiege Japan's embassy in Beijing over Tokyo's assertion of control over disputed islands in East China Sea." And China is not happy: "For The Respect Of The Motherland, We Must Go To War With Japan." Sure enough, where would the US be if the focal point of this escalation in militant anger - the Senkaku Islands - was not merely the latest expression of Pax Americana, and America's national interests abroad.
We already discussed the inevitable implications of the meaningless populist agitation over the contested Senkaku Islands. Here it is playing out in real time:
Protests in China are growing over Japan's assertion of control of disputed islands.
Thousands of Chinese besieged the Japanese embassy in Beijing on Saturday, hurling rocks, eggs and bottles with protests reported in other major cities over the territorial dispute in the East China Sea.
Paramilitary police with shields and batons barricaded the embassy, holding back and occasionally fighting with slogan-chanting, flag-waving protesters who at times appeared to be trying to storm the building.
"Return our islands! Japanese devils get out!" some shouted.
One of them held up a sign reading: "For the respect of the motherland, we must go to war with Japan."
The protests were not confined in Beijing. In Shanghai, streets around the Japanese consulate, in the were cordoned off on Saturday even as hundreds of police allowed a small groups of people in at a time to protest.
"The Chinese government has not done much to quell the inflamed passions of its citizens," Al Jazeera's Marga Ortigas reported from Hong Kong on Saturday.
Protesters are also calling for a widespread boycott against Japanese businesses and products.
Liu Gang, a migrant worker from the southern region of Guangxi, said: "We hate Japan. We've always hated Japan. Japan invaded China and killed a lot of Chinese. We will never forget."
Japanese media are also reporting that large anti-Japan protests were held in the Chinese cities of Xian, Changsha, Nanjing and Suzhou.
Kyodo news agency said protesters attacked a dozen Japanese restaurants in Suzhou.
Sino-Japanese ties have long been plagued by China's bitter memories of Japan's military aggression in the 1930s and 1940s and present rivalry over resources and regional clout.
Relations between the two countries, whose business and trade ties have blossomed in recent years, chilled in 2010, after Japan arrested a Chinese trawler captain whose boat collided with Japanese Coast Guard vessels near the Japanese-controlled islands of Senkaku, called Diaoyu in China.
Anti-Japanese sentiment surfaced anew in the last few weeks after the Japanese government purchased the islands from their private owners.
Though Japan has controlled the islands for decades, China saw the purchase as further proof of Tokyo's refusal to negotiate.
In response to Japan's purchase, China on Friday sent six surveillance ships into what Japan says are its territorial waters.
And that's how "escalation" always begins.
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Those Chinese 'protestors' are all men. Single men. China has too many of them thanks to the 'one child' policy.
shhh we're not supposed to talk about China's human rights abuses or how they kill little girls because the Commies are our trading partners. There's also this little gem.
Clinton Gave China Chips for Nuclear War
Yes, you idiot. China's government told millions of families to abandon/kill baby girls because the country wants more men.
No one is disputing the imbalance as the result of the one-child policy. However, placing the blame on government is just plain stupid. The one-child policy might be cruel and unfair, but you have a better solution to over population? Dumbass.
Uhh, yeah - dumbass. It's called "prosperity." Data going back 300 years shows that increasing standards of living have an inverse relationship with population growth. If Mao's Minions et al were so concerned about overpopulation, they would have taken steps toward increased living standards much earlier than Deng's reforms. The One-Child Policy wasnever about over population. It was always about an exercisein tyrannical power. Placing the blame on the government is exactly where it belongs. No one else forced abortions, separated families, or sterilized parents for 30 years...dumbass.
Fucking idiot. Stop putting words in my mouth. I was referring to the killing of baby girls in China as it stands now. You are going to blame the current government for that? Are they forcing families to give up girls as part of the one-child policy? No, families are choosing to do that on their own - right or wrong, it's their choice no matter how morally reprehensible.
You talk about increasing standards of living as if it could be accomplished with a wave of the hand, and choose to ignore two western led opium wars that crippled an entire country. Go fuck yourself with your double standards. And lastly, without population control you would have a situation similar to India, which is anything but a shining beacon of success. Bullshit on your claim that it was about abuse of power.
Oh,so the communist cadre of the PRC was all wine and roses for the common man while perpetrating the single largest genocide in human history between 1949 and 1972. I get it. Increased prosperity, ie people having enough to eat and not starving to death, would have been easily accomplished had it not been for Great Leaps Forward.
Thanks for bringing up India as an example. The last mass starvation they had there was when the British centrally planned the food out of their mouths in WWII. For a billion plus, India is doing pretty well with what it has and they didn't have to resort to government sponsored genocide and government sponsored infanticide. The whole coiuntry doesn't have to be driving Cadillacs for it to be a shining beacon of success - merely subsisting is good enough when the alternative is for the government to come in and murder you.
Increased standards of living can be increased by the wave of the hand - the invisible hand (fuckwit). Adam Smith had it right from the beginning. Your apology for all totalitarian regimes everywhere has been noted.
"The whole coiuntry doesn't have to be driving Cadillacs for it to be a shining beacon of success - merely subsisting is good enough when the alternative is for the government to come in and murder you."
So, now you're saying that "prosperity" and "subsistence" are the same? "Subsistence" pretty much means "no growth." I highly doubt that you'd be able to scrape up ANY definition of "prosperity" that could attach "no growth" to it.
Anyone who is so all-over-the-map such as you/this could not be expected to engage in any meaningful debate.
I'm tired of all the fuckers out there saying that "prosperity" is available from capitalism/socialism/communism/<insert whatever-ism>. That is, without also having to say "at some point in the future," and that future never comes because it was never meant to come (but for the elites).
"For a billion plus, India is doing pretty well with what it has and they didn't have to resort to government sponsored genocide and government sponsored infanticide."
I'll take your word that India's govt doesn't have an official policy as such, but the outcome is no different than that of the Great Chinese Famine: it's just that the final number count can't be completed because it's still on-going. Google <Indian farmers suicide>. "Smart" govts get their unwanted people to take themselves out, and to do so in a slow enough fashion as to not make it a big spectacle... And you beat the issue of one-child pretty hard, care to defend India's culture of female infanticide (http://www.savegirlchild.org/)? India's fucked up, period! (oh, isn't it
"Adam Smith had it right from the beginning. Your apology for all totalitarian regimes everywhere has been noted."
LOL. Toss in a little "Adam Smith" to cover for your poor logic/facts? Did you read Smith saying that only countries on an even economic standing should trade with each other (that would have kept US corporations from spreading death all over the third-world), and that countries shouldn't trade "like" goods? All of this shit has been violated (and tossed out) a LONG time ago.
And don't even try to lump me in with any supporter of totalitarianism (or govts). I defend logic and facts whenever and wherever I find them in abuse...
hey - mr. seer. it's kind of funny - but for a long time - human life was more than i-toys, coke and macburgers. some people i know are still convinced life was pretty good without t.v. and automobiles. and moon launchs. and nukes. you see - sometimes - there is a spiritual element, love, life, thought, aesthetics, morals. and - you don't need levi's to gain that. just the basics, and accept that life is what it is. sometimes it rains and you get wet. sometimes you get sick and you die. - oops. don't mean to scare you. sometimes you work for goldman sachs and get rich and live forever :)
that's life. not everybody can be the raj. some people accept that - and then just go on trying to live a decent life with their familys and loved ones and the community that if we aren't barbarians hope to build and expand.
Hey! My dungarees keep my balzac cozy when it rains. I hear the tighter varieties may help to curb overpopulation too, depending on who poured themselves into a pair. And exploring space doesn't seem like such a bad idea; may even provide us with a bit of warning the next time there's a "Fire and Brimstone" type event imminent. Give me a chance to go out and get me an umbrella. Sounds like a better idea than wasting the resources on the never ceasing shitstorms constantly being conjured up by the MIC, anyway.
Other than that: you're a beautiful Luddite. +1
seer, you're just beautiful.
PS A bit of a digression, but why do astronomers always get all hot and bothered about sending us out into the dark night to watch meteor showers, anyway? I mean these 'boulders' that have existed for billions of years and come hurtling into our atmosphere at thousands of meters per second have travelled countless millions of km's, so all they have to do is make it a few more km, last a couple more seconds, before they become meteorites. Astronomers have to know this: think about it.
'It's called "prosperity."'
What an utterly shallow/trite word.
All fucking wars are over resources. Do you fucking know why? Hint: it's not because there are ample resources to be "prosperous" with.
Resource depletion means NO growth in "prosperity" on the whole. Perhaps you've missed the part where the overwhelming majority of humans on this planet live on very little?
No, I do not buy into the "one child policy" stuff, but on the other-hand I'm not going to be so fucking stupid as to PRETEND that there are sufficient resources on this planet for EVERYONE who exists, now and or any that are included in the future, to have "prosperity."
Well, OK, maybe I should have challenged you to define "prosperity." Shame on me! I suspect, however, that it'll utterly fail the reality test... the reality that says we're on a finite planet.
define "prosperity."
Updating Facebook status on latest iGadget, while sitting at Starbucks, wearing designer clothes and arranging a Nail boutique appointment via Groupon?
Surely there arent enough Starbucks and Groupons around the world for that i.e. resource deplition.
You add some great color around here :-)
Why you got to go all racist???
Beastility is next on his list!
ROFL
You add some great color around here :-)
Just doing what I can.
I truly admire your posts, knowledge, understanding and eloquence. You get me green with envy :)
I'll define prosperity: enough food on the table to make it to another day.
The genocidal Maoists in China said that couldn't happen if they didn't kill 30 million of their own people and then terrorize their population into devouring their young, metaphorically. I don't know about the world, butI can tell you there are enough basic resources in China that the country would have done fine (no mass starvation) if it hadn't been for massive failures of central planning that they sought to cover up my forcing a smaller consumer base via murder.
"I can tell you there are enough basic resources in China that the country would have done fine"
Oh, you can can you? And how would that happen?
The utterly useless behemoth, centralized govt fucked up and they had massive failures with their crops ("all eggs in one basket" ring a bell?), that's why people died. Read about the "Great Chinese Famine."
One could just as easily blame various Western govts for "killing their own" if one were to trace the various opportunity costs that picked one thing over another (such as banksters over citizens, you know?).
Enough with all the bullshit propaganda.
You can pick a singular moment from history (or even today) and proclaim some absolute state, but when you add in finite resources and continued exhaustion of said resources then all bets are off that things will be "ok."
. The utterly useless behemoth, centralized govt fucked up and they had massive failures with their crops ("all eggs in one basket" ring a bell?), that's why people died. Read about the "Great Chinese Famine."
Your're repeating what I just said and making it sound like a counter argument. Yeah, maybe shit would have hit the fan without Mao in charge but it's a hell of a lot less likely. I fail to see where our disagreement is. Unless you're arguing that state sponsored genocide as a method of population control is OK like numbnuts up there, I've got no quarrel with you.
My argument with you is that you suggest that there exists some model that is significantly better than those that you are blasting. I will challenge you or anyone else on that.
Further, you "appear" to miss THE point that is central to ALL conflicts, and that's that this is a finite planet and that growing populations ARE scrambling for resources. Pretending that we all just practice "capitalism" (and seek "prosperity" [this shallow word and its use is what set me off] without fully taking the factual limitations into account is little different than the behavior demonstrated by the pinatas that you're putting up there (such as commie Mao) for people to whack at.
BIG = FAIL! BIG Capitalism is NO exception. For the clueless out there: BIG is the consequence of continued growth, which, will ALWAYS hit the wall (and the closer to the wall the more stupid excuses tend to come out of the woodwork, none of which have really anything to do with the fundamental underlying issue.)
I don't pretend to have any "answer." I also don't pretend that one growth system is better than another... I stand with the logic and facts of all this, quarreling against them is silly.
so what are the rules on using motherland vs fatherland, homeland
is the US Ponziland?
Chinese authority will welcome this "war" talk because they need to turn people's attention away from collapsing economy.
Just as it'll provide cover for the US's collapsing economy...
As a matter of fact, the US has MORE to gain on all of this than does China (CH1 provided the salient point).
Ideally, the Trilateral (Europe, the US, and Asia) would form a world government and establish permanent military authority. The only variable is China, who seems reluctant. They seem to want a shot at hegemony, which Europe, the US and Russia have all enjoyed in their own ways in the past. If Russia backs a US/European/Russian military alliance, then China would have no choice but to fall into line
the potential alliances are EU/USA/JP vs RUSSIA/CHINA/LATIN AMERICA (and the latter may be stronger in IMHO in fact THEY have the resources).. ops i forgot all the arab world O.o
I think the military alliance will probably be Russia\China\India\Pakistan\Iran\Syria\Egypt\Libya and any other nation that wants to join in ??? Brazil, Argentina, Thailand, Malaysia, North Korea ???
If they keep trying to reinstiute WWI reparations on the Germans they may join in as well.
why all your american ships are in the wrong place?
I have a better question why is the U.S. expected to be the protector of the world?
because they choose to be, in fact they don't have oil and iron ore
We have lots of both but the hippies won't let us at it. For now...
Drill baby drill! Strength through exhaustion!
Hysterics! The thought that "hippies" had ANY power! An oxymoron if ever there was one!
Why the rest of the world has their countries in the wrong places and how come American resources ended up there!!
Fuck the provocateurs and the thieves!!
U S A! U S A!
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The Nanking Massacre or Nanjing Massacre, also known as the Rape of Nanking, was a mass murder and war rape that occurred during the six-week period following the Japanese capture of the city of Nanking (Nanjing), the former capital of the Republic of China, on December 13, 1937 during the Second Sino-Japanese War. During this period, hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians and disarmed soldiers were murdered by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army.[1][2] Widespread rape and looting also occurred.[3][4] Historians and witnesses have estimated that 250,000 to 300,000 people were killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
Personally, if I were the Japanese, I would still keep a low profile. However, their motive might be to distract their Hoi Poloi from the 20 year depression and Fuki lies. True, Japan has a powerful Navy (in violation of their Constitution) they are playing a risky game here. Even Taiwan sent two Naval vessels to the are to suport their own claims.
I am now waiting for the Russians to re-assert their claim on the Southern Kurile islands which Japan thnks it owns.
later the Chinese did the same thing to the Tibetians
They still are...
I wonder whose four sockpuppets downvoted your comment?
What China has done in China's Xizang, i.e. Tibet, is significantly better and more human than what the U.S. of A. has done to the Native Americans!
population in Xizang has been increasing leaps and bounds since Xizang was liberated, and hundreds of thousands of Tibetan slaves freed.
But the population of Native Americans has largely disappeared thanks to the European colonists, only a minority has left.
Yes, displacement of the native population, followed by colonization by an even greater number of imperialist invaders, will tend to have that effect.
As for the Tibetans' "liberation", how glad they must be to have been "liberated" --- from themselves!
Again with the outrageous ChiCom lie about Tibetan "slavery", used endlessly to rationalize their invasion and annexation of Tibet, when no such thing in fact existed --- at least, it did not exist BEFORE the Chinese invasion and occupation.
Damn, yet another disingenuous ChiCom troll apologizing for the invasion, occupation and Han Chinese ethnic and cultural "cleansing" of Tibet. You are a contemptible liar and a shit-eating worm.
Make me gag!
And somehow 50,000 soliders killing 300,000 civilians with bayonets is worse than 2,000 airmen killing the same about from B-29s? I fail to see your logic here. Japan has been keeping a low profile - since 1945. The Chinese are the ones agitating the situation as you can observe from the following comparison: burning Japanese restaurants in China 37, burning Chinese restaurants in Japan, zero. Is that logic difficult to get your PRC shill brain around?
The Self-Defense Force is in no way in violation of the Japanese Constitution, which only prohibits them from using force as a policy option.
Both the claims on the Senkaku Islands were settled after WWII and Japan has administered them for 70 years without so much as a peep. PRC had 70 year to lodge a complaint and failed to do so. They missed the boat. They would be making a major mistake in pressing the inssue into a military confrontation.
Agree with your views but most matters are settled by force and "lodging complaints" does not do much. Take Palestinian issue for example, the UN cannot even enforce its resolutions on Isreal.
The guy with the biggest stick gets the cow.
why buy the cow when you can beat the shit out of it on someone else's dime and get the meat for free?
I say we give the Japanese our mothballed non nuke carriers as a gift just to give the chicoms something to think about.
Cramer said it is an economic stimulus (because all those burnt embassies will be rebuild) and bullish for material stocks.
michael , You are mentally crazy and a warmonger.
We should make it clear to Japan that no American lives will be wasted for a few pieces of rock. Escalating tit for tat with China over national pride and bullshit is not the same as an unprovoked war of aggression. Japan can deal with the consequences of deciding to fight over a few empty sea rocks.
I completely agree it's ridiculous that we are expected to use our wealth and our lives defending other people's interests.
That sounds very funny in the light of Okinawa, Gudalcanal, New Guinea and Guam..........the Japanese would be bemused
These "empty sea rocks" are too close to China (~200 nautical miles away from the Chinese mainland), too close to major gas deposits, and strategically situated right in the middle of major shipping lanes.
How would Americans react to Putin buying "empty sea rocks" ~200 nautical miles away from the US mainland, near major gas deposits, and right in the middle of major US shipping lanes?
Comparing China to America and Japan to Russia is specious at best. The Japanese government bought the islands from private Japanese citizens. Ownership of the islands was never in dispute.
You may think that the Senkakus are "too close to China" but they are a contiguous part of the Japanese archipelago - they are literally right on top of Japan.
Re: "Ownership of the islands was never in dispute."
Dude, Vlad, you are misinformed (guzzling Russian propaganda Kool-Aid?).
The US occupied these islands from 1945 to 1972 because of strategic location. At the time of the US transfer of its administrative powers to Japan, China filed a dispute and sovereignty claims with United Nations Security Council (sovereignty over the islands gives the owner exclusive oil and gas, mineral, and fishing rights in surrounding waters).
When in 1972, the US transferred the islands to Japan. China's Foreign Ministry announced that such a move was "totally illegal" and reiterated that these islands and surrounding islets were "an integral part of the Chinese territory".
Also, these islands are included within the US-Japan Security Treaty, meaning that a defense of the islands by Japan means support from the US military.
Ok, let me rephrase. Never in dispute from 99.9 percent of all countries on Earth, including all the signatories to the San Francisco Treaty ending WWII.
The US never occupied the Senkakus. They were administered by Japan since the end of the war (and prior) and were attached to Okinawa prefecture after the US handover of Okinawa in 1972. Previously they had been administered by Kagoshima Prefecture like Amami Island.
The PRC wasn't even the legitimate government of China in 1972 according to most of the world, and they had only been inducted into the UN months before. The fact that they didn't lodge complaints when America was calling the shots in the area is prima facie evidence that they only get righteously indignant when someone offends them who they think they can push around - not a compelling legal case. The fact that their complaints to the UN were ignored by everyone shows that the ownership was never in dispute. Japanese citizens have held legal title to those islands for more than a century. China has nothing but a timeline of complaints to prove ownership.
Re: "The US never occupied the Senkakus."
Nonsense. The islands were under the United States control/occupation from 1945 to 1972.
November 11, 1971WASHINGTON, Nov. 10 -- The Senate approved today, by a vote of 84 to 6, a treaty that would return Okinawa to the administrative control of Japan, thus ending United States occupation of the territory of its World War II enemy.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20714FB3D591A7493C3A817...
Okinawa is a single island. That was what was returned in 1972. Actually three islands clumped right next to each other. All the other islands which have since become part of Okinawa PREFECTURE post-1972 were administered by Japan through Kagoshima prefecture, with the exception I think of Amami which the US gave back in 1954.
And just to be clear, the US still occupies Japan, no matter what the Old Grey Lady says. Now we just pay for the pleasure of occupying. They have a word for that in red light districts.
Re: "Okinawa is a single island."
Okinawa Prefecture is a prefecture located in southern Japan. It consists of hundreds of the Ryukyu Islands in a chain over 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) long, which extends southwest from Ky?sh? (the southwesternmost of Japan's main four islands) to Taiwan. Okinawa's capital, Naha, is located in the southern part of Okinawa Island. The disputed Senkaku Islands are administered as part of Okinawa Prefecture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa
P.S. You are obviously a bullshitter and not interested in the actual facts. I am not going to waste my time anymore responding and disproving your ridiculous bullshit, Vlad.
It's way past time to continue this discussion but I don't like being called a bullshitter by an idiot who who "argues" with me by cutting and pasting from Wikipedia EXACTLY what I just said. I SAID that the Senkakus are administered as part of Okinawa nowadays. How does repeating that somehow bolster your argument? The only part of the Ryukyu Islands that was withheld from Japan until 1972 was Okinawa Island (the single island), which I already said.
PS for someone who claims reason as their very name you don't have very good reading comprehension. I would suggest the "Simple English" version of Wikipedia so that you don't get overly confused.
Re: “The only part of the Ryukyu Islands that was withheld from Japan until 1972 was Okinawa Island (the single island), which I already said.”
Bullshitting Diarrhea Vlad,
Okinawa Prefecture (hundreds of islands administered as part of Okinawa Prefecture that includes disputed Senkaku Islands) is a jurisdiction (47 first-order subnational jurisdictions system was established in 1871). The capital of this jurisdiction (where all the bureaucrats are sitting in charge of this consisting of hundreds of islands prefecture) is Naha. Naha is on Okinawa Island.
After the end of World War II in 1945, the entire Okinawa Prefecture was under United States administration or occupation for 27 years. US set up a local government in Naha, Okinawa Island, to administer the entire Okinawa Prefecture. When US occupied Iraq, it set up a local government in Baghdad (it does not mean the US occupied only one city in Iraq, the US occupied the entire country).
When NYT said the US senate approved in 1971 to end Okinawa (Prefecture) occupation and return of Okinawa (Prefecture) back to Japan in 1972, they were not talking about just returning one out hundreds islands of the Okinawa Prefecture but returning the entire Prefecture.
This Prefecture is somewhat analogous to US State of Hawaii (multiple islands, capital is Honolulu on Oahu Island). The government in capital Honolulu administers all islands, the entire State of Hawaii (including the Hawaiian island of Lanai recently purchased by Oracle CEO Larry Ellison).
Re: "The only part of the Ryukyu Islands that was withheld from Japan until 1972 was Okinawa Island (the single island), which I already said."
Only "single island" (Okinawa) and not (Ryukyu) "islands" (Okinawa Prefecture)? Really?!
After the war, the islands were occupied by the United States and run by a U.S. military government even after the end of the occupation of Japan as a whole in 1952. The United States dollar was the official currency used, and cars drove on the right, American-style, as opposed to on the left as in Japan. The islands switched to driving on the left in 1978, six years after they were returned to Japanese control.
The U.S. used their time as occupiers to build large army, air force, navy, and marine bases on Okinawa.
On November 21, 1969 U.S. President Richard Nixon and Japanese Prime Minister Eisaku Sato signed the Okinawa Reversion Agreement in Washington, D.C. on June 17, 1971. The U.S. reverted the islands to Japan on May 15, 1972, setting back a Ry?ky? independence movement that had emerged. Under terms of the agreement, the U.S. retained its rights to bases on the island as part of the 1952 Treaty to protect Japan, but those bases were to be nuclear-free. The United States military still controls about 19% of the island, making the 30,000 American servicemen a dominant feature in island life... Okinawa remains Japan's poorest prefecture.
History of the Ryukyu Islands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Ryukyu_Islands
Russia sold Alaska to US and its only 50 miles, more or less from Russia. Putin can see it from his back porch (of his siberian hunting lodge). Your analogy holds no water.
Russia did not sell Alaska to the US. It was leased.
Pre-Soviet Russian Empire (owned and ruled by Russian Czars, Alexander II) leased Alaska to the US for 99 years in 1867 (somewhat similar to China leasing Hong Kong to England for 99 years agreement). After the chaotic 1917 Soviet revolution (and killing of the Czars), all international agreements/debts/treaties that Czars signed were annulled and destroyed by uneducated revolutionaries, Bolsheviks (Alaska leasing agreement between Russian Czars and America has just simply disappeared during the revolution, and Bolsheviks had many other serious problems at that time than to worry about Alaska – nobody was even thinking about Alaska at that time).
While I am amused by your wild flights of fancy, it is specious and utterly without foundation to state that Alaska was "leased" to the USA by Czarist Russian in 1867 --- it was a transfer of ownership, pure and simple.
Where the Hell did you ever get such a ridiculous and mistaken idea?
Why nobody can show the actual original document of the "transfer of ownership"?
Cult_ of_Reason, Alaska was sold as a " territory". I was the part of an earlier purchase. Alaska was viewed as a waste land" by the U.S. dept of interior".
The "Russians almost ended up with Alaska"! Imagine the global dynamics , of the "cold war" if that happened?!
Exactly, it would be an unthinkable national security suicide for America to return Alaska back to Russia (USSR at that time) when the lease expired in the middle of the Cold War. So the US, knowing that the original paperwork (Russian copies) was lost/stolen/destroyed during the chaotic 1917 Bolshevik revolution, decided to declare Alaska a 49th state and tell the world Alaska was purchased from Russian Czars (who were dead at that time and could not challenge American claims).
Forget everything (that the US has not made public the original signed by Russians document yet, only a $7.2M check that was allegedly a payment for Alaska), and think logically: $7.2M (~$73K a year for 99 years), or ~$120 million adjusted for inflation, is a lease price (sale price would have to be much higher for a huge territory with rich deposits of gold as Alaska even by 1800s standards). Russians were not stupid and knew about gold; in fact, gold rushes in Alaska started shortly after the lease, and the original American (in reality, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds lobbyists) logic for leasing Alaska was to extract gold.
Also during those times, in the second half of 1800s, it was popular to lease lands for 99 years. Why would Russians decide to sell their territory for nothing (even by 1800s standards, $7.2M was unrealistically low price) permanently when everyone was leasing?
For example,
The British famously had a 99-year lease for Hong Kong from China from 9 June 1898 to 1 July 1997.
The Guantanamo Bay Naval Base started as a 99-year lease in 1903 from the first president of Cuba to the United States.
1918 - History books declare that Russian Czar Nicholas 2nd and his family, following the Russian Revolution, were assassinated by the Bolsheviks, July, 1918,in a basement of a house in Ekaterinburg, Siberia. By the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, arranged by Lenin, in March, 1918, the Russians ended their war with Germany enabling the Germans to devote their efforts to the Western fron against U.S., France, and Great Britain. [Lenin's elder brother was among those who assassinated Nicholas's grandfather, 1881, Emperor Alexander 2nd.] The Treaty had a secret codicil, arranged by the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds who financed Lenin, providing for the safe passage of the Czar and his family in exile, the Czar having abdicated the throne on behalf of himself and his young son, heir to the throne, Alexei, in the spring of 1917
- The Rockefeller banks, Chicago and New York, had the PRIVATE fortune on deposit of the Romanov family, separate from Nicholas's government position as Czar of all the Russias. This consisted of 400 million dollars in gold, at the then price of 20 dollars per ounce. Declaring the Czar and his family falsely dead enabled the Rockefeller bankers to spread out their empire using the fraudulent bankers' use of fractional reserves. Through secret accounts, the Rockefellers for decades thereafter rolled over these funds, to their benefit, in violation of state escheat laws providing that bank accounts revert to the State government if not claimed after, in most states, seven years. Of course, corrupt bank regulators in Illinois and New York have condoned this by the Rockefellers' First National Bank of Chicago and their Chase Bank of New York.
By 1970, documents were being released by the British, after more than 50 years of suppression, showing the British monarchy, cousins of the Czar, secretly with U.S.aid rescued the Czar and his family. So to perpetuate the big lie of royal murder, the Rockefellers financed an elaborate movie "Nicholas and Alexandra" which in its final scenes shows the alleged assassination by the Bolsheviks of the Czar and his family in Siberia. In only one edition, the pro-British monarchy Chicago Tribune had a story headlined "U.S. Aided Rescue of Czar Nichola, British hint" [Chicago Tribune, 12/14/70.) Excerpts: "British government documents which recently were placed in the public record office in London indicate that President Woodrow Wilson backed a secret mission to Russia which may have resulted in the rescue of Czar Nicholas and his family in 1918." and "A retired U.S. official, who has aided the investigations and asked to remain anonymous, said continued secrecy on the part of the British and American governments 'frustrates or makes liars out of all those who are ridiculed for stating the assassination never took place.' He said some who participated in the rescue are still alive and 'should be interviewed'" While not mentioning the Rockefellers and their banks, the story stated quoting that official " 'It is a preposterous claim that full disclosure would strain the relations among any of the involved governments', he said. 'A whole neew breed has taken over in all the chancelleies. Certainly there can be little fear anywhere of a Czarist revival.' "
In 1974, I and research associates of mine, spent two whole days in New York interrogating the one who claimed to be ALexei Romanov, heir to the throne, and son of Czar Nicholas 2nd. He candidly and accurately without hesitation answered each and every one of my critical questions to my satisfaction. He said his parents lived out their lives in secret exile in Poland, and that some of his sisters, such as Anastasia, were still alive and he has met with two of them in the United States, one living in a suburb of Chicago. As a cover, he stated, he was trained as part of Polish Intelligence, and studied Marxism, and supposedly became part of the Post World War Two Communist regime in Warsaw, using the cover name Michal Goleniewski. About the time John F. Kennedy was inaugurated President in January 1961, Alexei defected to the U.S. By a private act of Congress he made a U.S. citizen and promised a sizeable pension by the American CIA. His disclosures caused the fingering of some 60 Soviet spies in the West. The CIA, he claimed, reneged on his yearly stipend, and he went public through ads, for example, in the dissident publication in the U.S. "Ramparts Magazine". He wanted publicity to help him collect. A hemophiliac, he had the marks on his feet of having worn for many years metal leg braces, part of a plan to prevent him from falling down and bleeding to death as others with the disease.
He gave us many specific, verifiable details how the Russians to keep mum about the survival of the Czar, have been blackmailing large sums out of the Rockefellers and their banks. Also, Russia claims ownership of Alaska. In 1967, "Seward's folly", the U.S. obtained Alaska from Russia BY A 99 YEAR LEASE, NOT AS HISTORY PROCLAIMS, an outright purchase. The lease was arranged by a secret, midnight deal following the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln who obtained aid during the American Civil War from the then-Czar of Russia. Forcing the Rockefellers to disgorge the long-secret Romanov family deposits would severely wreck the Rockefeller banks. Note: Rockefellers' Chase Bank is the advertiser on major TV Network talk shows.
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/great_secrets.html
So if all that original research of yours is true, how come the Russians didn't come back 70 years later, burn down KFCs, protest in front of American embassies, smash up Fords on the street, and burn down a warehouse for General Electric? Oh, because the Russians aren't hysterical and realize when history has passed a territory by.
Next you'll have to dig up a fascinating tidbit on how Napoleon only "leased" the Lousiana Purchase, er,Lease.
For your viewing pleasure. BTW, the word ceded doesn't mean leased.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=015/llsl015.db&recNum=572
This is a robo-signed US bullshit. This is not the original document, the actual treaty/agreement.
There are no names or signatures from the Russian side.
Who signed and agreed to this bullshit “treaty” from the Russian side? Where is the actual document with the signatures? They show a copy of the check but no copy of the actual treaty.
And as I said before, Russians do not have the original document neither.
The Russian are more sophisticated. Read up on Syria...
One shouldn't assume that nothing is happening just because one doesn't see smoke...
natty does burn pretty cleanly
@cult o reason: keep poking that stick into the jingoists' eyes, it may cause them great pain, but it's not like they are of any use to them anyway.
Cuba.
Who said anyone would ask for US help. The Japanese Navy is more than capable of manhandling anything China could put out that far.
How is Japan protecting it's territory and "act of aggression?"
"We should make it clear to Japan"
Last I checked, "We" don't have a say in any fucking thing...
Algos and the "defense" complex are in control... good luck telling your story to them :-( (ducks as another drone flys by...)
Correct me here, but didn't the Japanese government buy these islands from private Japanese citizens who owned them and lived there, and these islands had been family property since the late 1800s?
I think you're right.
But the Chinese might be challenging the title since MERS was nominee in the sale.
I cannot believe that a lot of Chinese citizens are in the streets over some miniscule islands, so it seems the Chinese government is pushing it. If correct, this is a very dangerous escalation.
"it seems the Chinese government is pushing it."
"Seems" is the operative word. Think "Orange Revolution." The Chinese govt could just as well surf with this while operatives from the West (who don't want US "defense" contracts trimmed) stir up the hornets nest...
Folks need to think a bit smarter about all of this. If it's highly visible then it's nothing but superficial, meant as a distraction (most people are unwilling to shed tears, so the real onion is never peeled).
Seer, that's why I like your posts....aways lookin' deeper! You seemed to disappear for awhie, and I missed your wisdom.
Keep your good stuff comin'!
I second that.
(most people are unwilling to shed tears, so the real onion is never peeled) - Brilliant!
Nothing to see here!
Move along!
Ray Dalio's speech was so informative. That was wonderful. Especially when he let the general public know that the banking elites have heavily infuenced the next regime in China. He still had that look of uncertainity if it was really a successful inning for the globalists.
My guess is that the banksters were behind Xi's disappearance. But China is not so easy to control as middle (muddle thieves, poinsonous mudpuppies if you like) men from the west have found in the past.
The banksters only control over China and the weapons technology that the middle men (globalists) have transferred to them is oil. The NATO and US military have successfully disrupted Chinese expansion into the Mid East oil fields by keeping the mid east in a state of chaos. Chinese though is at a difficult political and social juncture with the global recession and all so to maintain a successful rise to world dominance the fucking oil fields beneath the outlying chinese seas must be opened to the Chinese industrial machine.
Japan loses this one and so do the banksters. In fact they have likely lost it all this time.
Break out the guillotines. Its going to be a head choppin winter.
I guess I should do my 2011 taxes and get that refund I'm owed before I get nuked. It's been fun.
Why do I get a feeling that "elites" all over the world, either via formal agreement or implied or even as a matter of knowing whats coming and what to do, as all the complicit shitheads fearing the same thing, all over the world act in similar fashion... decided to escalate tensions to pave way for a war of some sort...
It should be clear that currency devaluation is warranted and that it's because currencies don't have actual physical resources backing them. ALL WARS ARE ABOUT RESOURCES: and wars are handy for wiping the locals into line and in wiping any debts owed to your war "opponents."
This game has been perfected by TPTB (we even protect structures such that they can keep their progeny filling in their footsteps, suckers we are [because we so want to be Them, yet can never be so]).
But its a great way to get a carrier group shuffled from the Indian ocean to
the Pacific.
How long before thing get hot,like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPGyt3ZDv2Y
This pissing contest has been going on since time immemorial. Let the whole works of them go at one another, get it out of their systems, and we stay the fuck out of it for once. Besides the Senkaku Islands are no where near as nice as the lovely disputed Kuril islands. I am sure that the multitudes of you who have been to both islands would agree.(sarc)
Lucky we have Obama to see us through all this turmoil... and Biden to help, Holder and Geithner in backstop mode... Pelosi and reid for experience and stability... what a team!! Uh... I will be in Banff for a few months, with my gold... let me know how it all turns out...
Ronnie, maybe we should just all grab our Springfields and go over and solve the "problem" ourselves? Oh right, the TSA... my bad.
Radiation that leaked from the Fukushima nuclear plant following last year's tsunami caused mutations in some butterflies--including dented eyes and stunted wings--though humans seem relatively unaffected, researchers say.
The mutations are the first evidence that the radiation has caused genetic changes in living organisms. They are likely to add to concerns among ordinary people about potential health risks among humans....
https://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201208160075
It's possible the radiation is influencing Japan's behavior?
Mothra!!!!!
Well this seems like a good way to get rid of some of those old Japanese retirement types.....just tell them to march into the machine gun nest and they will....
On the other hand..China is the new Japan of the 1930´s.......how time changes things...
Now SOS Clinton has to make sure our Marines have no loaded guns......but make sure the DHS does..
Oil
Blaaaaaccckkk Swannnnnns everywhere!
And it would be the Grey one, that will fuck you up this time.
The text in the poster just says "All the world's peace loving people demand Noda admits his crime". And then they cut his head off in the picture :s
hopefully the doomtards at GLP will have the GLP effect on all these black swans... meaning they will never land. (wishful thinking)
Goodness! For the sake of our most important ally on the Pacific Rim, Japan, and as our veritable outpost of democracy shining throughout the region, the United States should pass the Red Line on China and attack and destroy its nuclear industry. sarc/on
J.R. do you ever take a side? The voice of reason approach is getting old. ( Japan (a) veritable outpost in the region)? 20 years ago.
I would suggest the "{sea}/ Gulf of Carpentaria", and smaller more managable strongholds. ( Singapore, Tiawan,Philippines) ext. would be less intrusive launching points.
I like you J.R. but your swing trade thesus on global security doesn't work for me. ( sarc/ on)
The joke of course is on us, because Israel, which this parody was about, is no outpost of democracy either, being a socialist, closed society with severe censorship of the press.
The Red Line, Israel’s concept of a war trigger to stop Iran’s nuclear power, has been the neo-conservative propaganda attempt to draw the U.S. into a war with Iran.
As you know, the whole thing is a joke, but a very tragic situation – the Middle East I mean.
How much oil and gas are they going to find around these tiny islands that they cant find all over their mainland???
The Japanese don't seem to have a very good track record of holding small atolls, especially when they challenge another country with something along the lines of "a million men couldn't take <Tarawa> in a million years."
History tells us that island-based empires don't seem to hold up too well: small islands usually mean small amounts of natural/physical resources; kind of hard to beat back opposition when you have limited ammo.
Before the Japanese assume that the US will come to their defense they might want to check into what happened to the Mujaheddin.
Hamburger Hill/Tarawa here we come...
I hope the banksters are unsuccessful in implementing a bankster friendly government in China.
What if like in a Korean War movie from the 1950s millions of Chinese soldiers come in over the sand dunes in Lybia to the aid of the Arabic (mid eastern) people.
It is about oil and Chinese Vs. Bankster world domination. I believe this to be a credible possibility.
That is why the Actor Maria in Ray Dalio's video lies about China buying all the US treasuries. It is the Rothschilds/Rockefellers that are funding the mid east war and Japan's purchase of the Islands near the off shore oil fields by buying the US treasuries not China.
not to fuel the flames... but why don't you chinese youngsters check out the atocities of nanking on youtube. this is the docile and peaceful japanese at their finest. http://youtu.be/YoW2WYdOsvg
Liancourt Rocks. All this hoohaw over the guano-splattered tips of submerged mountains? Is the rock fishing really that good?
Neither Japan nor Israel can stand on their own two against their assembled opponents. Realistically, Japan will fold (although I doubt even China will take Japanese bonds as payment). Israeli leaders, however, flat out love a good bloodletting.
The UN recognizes a 200 mile Exclusive Economic Zone entending in all directions from any coastline that has a national flag planted in it. This includes all the minerals found underneath the water all the way out to 200 miles. That's a lot more goodies than just a pile of guano.
Japan may fold as a function of post-war cultural weakness, but "realistically" the JMSDF could wipe the floor with anything the Chinese send at them. Almost all of Japan's munitions are domestically manufactured and they don't take a dime in military aid. All the US weapon systems they have were either purchased outright (like the F15) or were jointly developed (like Aegis). I can't say the same for Israel. Japan can most certainly stand on their own two feet and have been doing so for at least 40 years. They're doing the US a favor (and tiring of it) hosting US bases.
China and the other S.E. Asian nations can a generation so there will be only Old Japs to fight with.
"The UN recognizes a 200 mile Exclusive Economic Zone entending in all directions from any coastline that has a national flag planted in it."
And when there is less than 200 miles between to adjacent countries? such as the case with Cuba and the US, and Russia and the US?
And then there's the issue of who controls the UN (who has the most bugs planted there is a good clue)...
Sorry, but Japan, whether by a war with China, or otherwise, is finished: small island (minimal resources to support its population- especially energy), poor demographics. Yeah, China's also fucked, but that'll come a bit later...
Well, but they lost their covert nuke program 18 months ago...
part two... http://youtu.be/iqH47MIpuoA
a Japanes-Chinese war would be a great distraction for Ben BerBanker to sneak attack and quantitatively ease it up Americans asses....
into devouring their young, metaphorically.
NO, you had it correct, not letaphorically,they are selling, and eating their aborted babies in the markets.
Oh, yeah. I'd forgotten that particular horror. :(
Going to war with "China" is probably the cheapest form of "intervention" for the BoJ at this point. ;-) /sarc
Japan just inked a massive LNG deal with Russia dealing with financing a pipeline from Sahkalin to Vladivostok, giving Russia twice the export capacity. They had been working with China for 6 years after snubbing Japan very publicly for the deal. But the Chinese thought they were better than the Russians and could waltz all around the deal constantly jimmying with the prices and conditions. Russia just pulled the plug on them. That's big news. Gazprom likes to make deals with stable reliable payers for long term deals and then forget about it while the money rollsin. You don't get much more stable than Japan as a paying customer.
My guess is Japan may have swallowed the bitter pill regarding the disposition of the Kurils to placate their huge LNG supplier in exchange for Russian (very tacit) support regarding the Senkakus, where Japan has a much better chance of finding fossil fuels. Without Russian support China will have to fold. And they'd better do so quickly. They're beginning to look like hysterical children - or Muslims.
Vlad you will enjoy this "Report". Nice post by the way:) Japan has been , very publicly talking down it's " Future Nuclear Energy reliance". Your "Gazprom" news explains all the "Hopium" out of Japans "energy dept."
Thanks for the bump. Here's the NYT's take on it. A little light on details, but not everyone can digest Nihon Keizai:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/world/europe/russia-and-japan-move-forward-on-natural-gas-deal.html
I was glad to hear Japan talking publicly again about a NuclearZero 2030 plan as my vacation home is only over the hill from the one they just started up...on the confluence of a few faults.
Thanks +1
I'm rushing into production with a You Tube video with all-Japanese actors proving that the so-called "Rape of Nanking" was simply real Japanese men doing Chinese women a favor because Chinese men all have tiny penises and can't even get an itty-bitty erection. Plus the video will reveal that all Chinese soldiers are cowards who ran away from victorious Japanese forces at every opportunity in WWII, and that they are still too cowardly to attack Japan because they can't even keep Taiwan in line. That should do it.
The Falklands,Asian style.
It basically says the real political and economic reality in China is out of shape and the leadership desperately need to divert attention and anger of the populace.
Excellent point! Their(Chinas) new " Dear Leader" went [ AWAL ] for a massage a week ago! ( rehab in " MACAU" , more likely)<>
...the Japanese I have known and the Chinese people I have know do not have any real issue with one another, when it boils down to it. It's the freaks in power that speak to the insanity of contempt. The power behind the political beast is mapped out by fools Hell bent on the claim of dominion defining the mirror image of the borderless Suicide Vampire Squid. There is a gun at everyone's head, and those that labor in agreement with the offer(s) upon this generation are playing Russian Roulette with six bullets in the 666 shooter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tkT3AvE8kk
I have traveled extensively in the " Oceania/ Asia Pacific region, and you are 100% correct " BlackholeDivestment "
China has massive Internal issues, and Japan has major " Population issues". {KAMPO/ postal system },can't fund the retirees for ever. Sounds familiar?
Empire of the sun. NWO.
Kamikaze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5slCTLrFHI
Nothing new here re protests and the language used.
I suggest that if this issue is of interest--and it is very complicated-- read the following fairly objective analysis:
http://community.middlebury.edu/~scs/docs/Steven%20Wei%20Su-Tiaoyu-Senkaku%20Dispute.p
There's more to this than meets the eye. Perhaps those who claim that the recent troubles and anti-Japanese demonstrations in China are just the Chinese government fanning the flames of nationalism to take the minds of the citizenry off of domestic problems caused by the government's incompetence could be correct? Historical Chinese Records, Documents and Books Recognize Senkaku as Part of Japan: http://bit.ly/PiEfWp
I predicted this, I predicted this, I predicted this and it wasn’t even difficult.
This activity is the DIRECT result of a US foreign policy and an impuissant leader, barrack Hussein Obama, a trained and dedicated Marxist but also so totally inept at this republics politics as to be a very serious danger, perhaps a fatal danger to the entire world.
World politics will not tolerate a vacuum and we have the biggest sucking president in our history. He has sent signal after signal to the world that he can be rolled. He kow tows and bows, he lies as all sociopaths do and worldwide foreign governments have long ago taken the measure of this poseur of a president.
I said within the last month that China would move on Japan and the disputed islands. Now it is happening. Expect this to be just a ramping up of US adversaries taking advantage of obamas impotent leadership. In fact no one on the international stage believes this guy a leader in any sense of the word.
He has gutted our military, destroyed our economy, and taken intelligence briefings as an intrusion into his tee times. The Socialist Democratic Party is so deeply into the Jos. Goebbels “big lie” technique as to actually believe what are obviously lies, and the rest of the world sees this. They are not even a fifth column; they are a major party dedicated to destroying this country.
The unraveling of any semblance of world security is rapidly evaporating due directly to obamas ineptness.
This is not the end; this is the beginning of WWIII. The world’s tyrants have an ally in the White House and the world’s democracies have a dedicated enemy in the White House. If he is re reelected this nation is finished, world order will be destroyed and who knows where it will end. Wherever the end is can’t be good.
A few more news...
- Anti-Japanese protests in China certainly larger, in more cities and more violent than 2005.
- Kyodo: Chinese demonstrators set fire to Japanese enterprises in Qingdao.
- "Declare war on Japan!" demonstrators chant outside Embassy in Beijing:
- China's state-run TV stops broadcasting Japanese firms' ads
- Kyodo reports that Japan's new ambassador to China who collapsed on a Tokyo street earlier this week has died.
The latest bit is VERY suspicious.
If Asia goes to war, who will be supplying parts for iphone 5?
Hopefully, American kids. You buy that child slave labor shit? DO IT YOURSELF.
US should invade these Islands first - it will stop Asian countries to go to war with each other. And Apple, if they don't want any supply disruption, should have enough money to subsidise this.
In reading the posts many contributors have offered insights worthy of having but of marginal utility to recognizing and addressing the one ,major issue. Global power.
The difficulty with almost all of them is that the insights are so totally tangential to the realpolitik that they must be taken for what they are: inconsequential.
On this globe nations that have for century’s prized individual freedom are now in serious jeopardy. Nations that prize a statist centrally planned life for the individual are ascendant once again after a very brief period of what most thought was their death following the putative collapse of the Soviet Union and the West's gross misinterpretation of "new" Chinese freedoms brought on by that nation’s bastardization of capitalism. A return to global totalitarianism is now in the very high probability range.
This failure to recognize the lessons so brilliantly illuminated during the Enlightenment and it's consequential establishment of a social contract placing the individual first is a fatal myopia.
We are back to raw, naked power global politics: the gun, the bomb, and the realignment of power. All else is a presentation of what is really happening, if followed, can never be brought into focus, and is simply hastening the loss of freedom for it’s replacement ……. the installation of slavery.
What? did a shadowy Japanese figure produce an "innocence of red commies" film with dubbed in voice overs?