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Mike Krieger Asks Whether September 11, 2001 Is Our Big Lie
From Michael Krieger of KAM LP
“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of Sept. 11 victims and others. Mr. Graham led a joint 2002 Congressional inquiry into the attacks.
Their affidavits, which were filed on Friday and have not previously been disclosed, are part of a multibillion-dollar lawsuit that has wound its way through federal courts since 2002. An appellate court, reversing an earlier decision, said in November that foreign nations were not immune to lawsuits under certain terrorism claims, clearing the way for parts of the Saudi case to be reheard in United States District Court in Manhattan.
Still, Washington has continued to stand behind Saudi Arabia publicly, with the Justice Department joining the kingdom in trying to have the lawsuits thrown out of court on the grounds that the Saudis are protected by international immunity.
The senators’ assertions “might inject some temporary strain or awkwardness at a diplomatic level,” said Kenneth L. Wainstein, a senior national security official in the George W. Bush administration. Even so, he said, “the United States and the Saudis have developed strong counterterrorism cooperation over the last decade, and that relationship will not be undermined.”
- NY Times article from today
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think.
- Adolf Hitler
September 11, 2001: Our Big Lie
I wasn’t planning on writing this week, but so much stuff has come out in the last two days that I couldn’t help myself from trying to get this information out to as wide an audience as possible. Those of you that have been long time readers are aware of the fact that I witnessed 9/11 firsthand. On that fateful morning, I was getting breakfast at 3 World Financial Center when all of a sudden people started panicking and saying we were evacuating the building. I never made it back up to my cubicle and instead took my toast and orange juice downstairs with me. When I got down there I couldn’t believe my eyes. There in from of me was a huge smoldering black hole in the first tower that was hit. I was one block away just starring at this symbol of the city I was born in with sheer terror. People all around starting speculating as to what caused it. I heard ridiculous theories such as a “helicopter hit it.” It looked like a bomb to me. In any event, we all stood there very close until out of nowhere I heard a massive explosion and saw debris spewing from behind the building. In case you are unaware of how the buildings were situated, from my viewpoint the first building that got hit totally blocked the second tower. I didn’t see or hear a plane, just a massive explosion. The ground shook and people started to stampede away. I almost got tossed into a nearby trashcan as my opened orange juice container spilled all over me. I retreated about one hundred yards back to regroup with the herd.
At this point the word had started to get around that two planes had hit the buildings. Several friends and I decided to walk back to my apartment, which at the time was on 12th street between 3rd and 4th avenue. Cell phones didn’t work. My parents and brother who was studying abroad in Australia at the time all thought I might be dead. I saw people jumping to their death. I saw the first building come down in person as I walked home. I never returned to 3 World Financial Center as it became a temporary morgue. Lehman Brothers relocated to the Sheraton Hotels in Midtown for the next several months and my group worked out of a small conference room.
While 9/11 was far more traumatic for many Americans than for myself, it really messed me up emotionally for a while. I thought about joining the armed forces or the newly created Department of Homeland Security. I almost quit my job to get a graduate degree in something I could do to help fight the “war on terror.” The city of my birth was attacked and two great symbols I had seen repeatedly growing up had suddenly vanished. I never once questioned anything about 9/11 for many, many years. I was emotionally reprogrammed. I now realize that was the intent and I am not happy about it.
Look, I will be the first to say I have no idea what really happened on that day, but I can tell you one thing. I am 100% convinced that it wasn’t 19 cave dwelling Al Qaeda members who hate us for our “freedoms.” I can also tell you that two planes didn’t take down three buildings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI. Building 7. Oh building 7. Explain to me how this massive building came down demolition style when nothing hit it?
The real reason I am writing this piece today is because of a very, very important article from the NY Times, parts of which I have quoted at the top. The article shows how two former Senators have said in sworn statements that they believe the government of Saudi Arabia was directly involved in the attacks. Now, such speculation is not new; however, let’s not forget the very close relationships that many of the elite in the U.S. have with the Saudi government. Furthermore, let’s analyze some of the passages in the article in a little more detail.
Still, Washington has continued to stand behind Saudi Arabia publicly, with the Justice Department joining the kingdom in trying to have the lawsuits thrown out of court on the grounds that the Saudis are protected by international immunity.
The senators’ assertions “might inject some temporary strain or awkwardness at a diplomatic level,” said Kenneth L. Wainstein, a senior national security official in the George W. Bush administration. Even so, he said, “the United States and the Saudis have developed strong counterterrorism cooperation over the last decade, and that relationship will not be undermined.”
Let’s start with the first line. The “Saudis are protected by international immunity.” WTF does that mean? They are protected by international immunity? Where was this international immunity for Iraq before we bombed them into the stone age? Where was the international immunity for Libya before we decided regime change would be a good idea there? Where is the international immunity for Iran now? The hypocrisy and ridiculousness of the propaganda has now reached epic status.
Now to the second line. “Even so, he said, “the United States and the Saudis have developed strong counterterrorism cooperation over the last decade, and that relationship will not be undermined.” If this doesn’t tell you right then and there that the entire “war on terror” is a smokescreen sham then nothing will. So let me get this straight. According to this logic it may not matter that the Saudis were involved in 9/11 because they have been a great ally in counterterrorism. So the guys that played a role in the attack are our allies in fighting themselves. How convenient! 2+2 does indeed equal 5 in the USA.
Now here is a very telling clip to watch from that creep Joe Scarborough, who is probably a creation of Operation Mockingbird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird. Here is the clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv_DBMo5Dzc&feature=player_embedded
Did you catch that? When confronted with the potential of Saudi involvement, this little weasel Steven Rattner (remember he was Obama’s car czar) comes out and states “I think it may fall a little bit into the category of things you just kind of don’t want to know.” Excuse me Rattner? Things WHO doesn’t want to know. I sure as hell want to know and I am pretty sure everyone else in America and world wants to know since this event is what led to a massive crackdown on civil liberties and wars all across the world. Not to mention the fact it has led to U.S. fiscal and economic ruin. What he means is that this is something the government doesn’t want YOU to know. Notice how right away he mentions how much oil the Saudis produce. This clip really exposes the mindset of the criminals that make up the U.S. social, political and economic elite.
Then Donnie Deutch says “I don’t know where you go with this,” to which Scarborough states “I don’t think you go anywhere with this.” Go back to sleep America.
Then there is the real kicker. They end the segment debating whether they will be summering in the Hamptons, Martha’s Vineyard or Nantucket. Laughing the whole time. Laughing at their audience for being such stupid sheep.
Andrew Breitbart
I want to conclude this piece by stating I am quite curious what sorts of natural causes made a 43 year old collapse. As my friend commented…”He's in decent shape and goes naturally yet Soros and Rockefeller look the like living dead yet they are walking and live to be 185yrs old.”
Oh and by the way. He claimed to have videos that would expose banker puppet Obama. Don’t believe me? Take a watch. He made this statement 20 days ago. Then drops dead. At least they didn’t use a hot tub this time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fRQ2lIQ3Lg
RIP Andrew. I didn’t always agree with you, but you were a fighter.
Rest up this weekend everyone. I think things are about to get crazy.
Peace and wisdom,
Mike
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A convenient excuse to continue your existence as a slave. Perhaps you should read a bit more on the history of the day, and not just focus on the dog whistles you've been trained to hear.
No thanks. I have read it.
I know. They I can run around chanting "all for the greater good. The ends justify the means"
"Social Justice for all" yea right. Like the people living under communism are not slaves by giving up 80% of their pay , living in substandard living conditions..
Do you really believe you live under capitalism? You might want to reconsider.
It isn't, but neither is it "Gulag Archipelago."
The lies, frauds, deceit, scams, controliing MF governments will continue until the sheep get fed up and decide to take action. Until then, the lies, frauds, deceit, scams, controliing MF governments, will CONTINUE.
"I can also tell you that two planes didn’t take down three buildings."
Excellent Maths
So how did the 9/11 Commission fail miserably that test given the importance and brevity of this national issue?
"I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history. Lee Hamilton
If the 9/11 Commission couldn't even get the number of fallen buildings right (the report doesn't even mention Building 7), then their maths proficiency was below kindergarten level!!
In fact, Building 7 was home to many government agencies (CIA, DoD, FBI, IRS, SEC, FEMA) that allegedly lost a lot of valuable documentation and should have been one of the main foci of a government investigatory commission. It was probably also the control centre for the actual demolitions of all 3 buildings.
And the troofers go wild. We're going to need a bigger butterfly net.
Another teasonous act by Bush was when he tried to pronounce the word phenomenon. That was one dark day for America.
Wether you agree or not. The varied inconsistancies in the 9/11 story has awakened people. Years later but no one knows what really happened. I do know that what they say happened and how the say it happened is not the truth. Unplug bitches!!!!!!
WTF:
For all those that don't ride the short bus everyday.
A few hours of reading ...Unplug bitches!!!!!!
Solving 9-11
The Deception That Changed The World
Christopher Bollyn
9-11 was a very sophisticated operation.
9-11 required the "fixed frame" of a state intelligence organization.
It was carefully planned years in advance and carried out for one strategic purpose:
To kick-start the planned "War and Terror."
http://www.bollyn.com/public/Solving_9-11_-_The_Deception_That_Changed_The_World.pdf
Nice link Mr Pierre, I've saved it for reading later .... in the meantime, I had to look up what "ride the short bus" means, so this is for others like me who don't/didn't know....
ride the short bus
V. A derrogatory phrase derived from the smaller school bus used to ferry special education students to and from school. 1) To act in an immature or stupid way. 2) To be an immature or stupid person. 3) To drive an especially large S.U.V."http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ride%20the%20short%20bus
What a crock of shit.
This disgraceful attempt at journalism merits life without parole.
Try again.
Here ... You fucking MORON...!
Short and sweet... easy for all those that ride in on the short bus.
Ignorance is Strength
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=player_embedded
The shot came from the grassy knoll!
As for the Saudi connection, eh, maybe. But keep in mind that what, like a million people or something must work for the Saudi government and who knows how many thousands are princes worth millions. It only takes one rogue prince to help pull something like this off and that person doesn't have to be anywhere near the top of the Saudi government.
It's not like the villages that the Saudis were from deny the attackers came from them. They are proud of "The Fifteen"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/683026/posts
An entire table of douchebags in that Scarborough piece. May every one of them die in fiery crashes on their way home today
So what's new. Everyone knows it was Saudis and Pakistanis, funded by Saudis and trained in Pakistanwho planned and executed the attack. So what do we do? Bomb Saudi Arabia to stone age and then go back to 16th century ourselves? Agreed, bombing Iraq was unconscionable and counter-productive. But maybe liberation of Iraqi Shias keep the Sunnis of the region under check. Whatever. Basically the West and rest should put their head together and develop alternative energy source, so that the world (including Middle-East) can stop being oil-slaves and move ahead.
Brietbart said he would release a video on March 1st of The Kenyan in college, paling around with Weather Underground.
Well glad to see you finally woke up a little bit anyway Mike.
Most likely Mike just didn't wake up. More likely, like many of us, he has spent many hours looking into 911 and has become convinced of the problems with the official narative.
What he has done is take a stand which not many others have had the courage to do. For example, although Tyler & Co have had the occaisional guest post where they mention the inadequacy of the official story or they let George Washington post on this kind of stuff, I've noticed that even Tyler & Co have been hesitant to step up and call it like it is. I assume they're too worried about readership or "credibility".
I don't know exactly what happened, but all you have to know about are the dancing Israelis to know that more than just the 19 hijackers knew about what was going to happen that day. We need a real investigation. We need to wake up.
Well Mike, it might be helpful not to go from one extreme
to another
Correlation and causation, you heard of those.
www.ae911truth.org
Nanothermite bitchez.
2 hour presentation condensed in to a 10 minute video: WTC7
http://www2.ae911truth.org/team/graphicsteam/_videoteam/Blueprint_For_Tr...
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe (Peer Reviewed)
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
see below http://www.zerohedge.com/news/mike-krieger-asks-whether-september-11-200...
Funny how all these "engineers" at ae911truth never talk about those facts...
Okay, I say this:
The official 9/11 story is the truth.
Also, nobody could have foreseen the housing crash, as everything was "contained" to subprime.
Nobody could have foreseen the stock market crash of 2008/09, either, as the fundamentals of our economy were "sound".
And, a magic bullet did kill JFK and hit Governor Connally.
And, some nut all by his lonesome tried to kill Reagan all for the love of a girl, just weeks into the Reagan/Bush tenure.
And the Civil War was fought exclusively over the slavery question among the several states.
AND...Obama is not Kenyan, he is indeed an Amerikkkan citizen.
Everything we've been taught in school or told by our major media outlets is the truth.
Everything.
Right?
And under interrogation at Guantanamo (over 200 waterboardings in 2 months) Sheik Khalid Mohammed admitted to 911, the Twin Tower bombings of 93, bombing the marines at Lebonon, as well as the Kennedy assasination. He may be a bit confused about the kennedy assasination, as he was not born until 5 years after. Maybe he was a terrorist in his previous life? Lee harvey Oswald reincarnated? I suppose it's possible.
He probably confessed masterminding pearl harbor too but who wants to know the truth.
Why doesn't anybody ask the most obvious fucking question when trying to 'figure out" who was behind 9/11?: Cui Bono?
All the circumstansial evidence points to one very clear place...but so many refuse to look there. Why?
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about the evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information" US Government Official
The Four part Fox News Report where that quote came from can be found here: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/spyring.php
And then there's this:
All 9/11 Airports Serviced by One Israeli Owned Company
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ICTS.html
And this:
FBI Fury As Men With Nuke Plans, Valid Israeli Passports Escape
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/israelswithnukes.html
The amount of evidence is damn near endless so lets just stop this bullshit of pretending we don't know who did it. We all fucking know who did it but we're just too fucking cowardly or owned by them to do a fucking thing about it.
Saudi Arabia my ass. You know who did it. And if you don't know, it because you don't want to know.
Yawn.
http://www.debunking911.com/
Yawn, who is behind that site?
I don't know either.
Moron, you don't know who is behind ZH, but you believe everything you read here. lulz.
U should change your name to either "Internet Retard" or "Zionist Apologist".
Debunk the Pentagon incident on 9/11 smart guy . . . .
I have seen mulitple photos of the site immediately after the "plane" hit where there is a 10' diameter hole at ground level and the windows on the 2nd floor above and to the sides of the hole are still intact - there is no way possible a 757 aircraft could have hit the building and caused that little damage. Not to mention there was absolutely no plane debris anywhere on a pristine lawn outside of the building. Plane my ass!
and after the Freedom of Information Request many years later 5 still frames of the explosion was released, not even a superimposed plane in it. The arrogrance to come up with this story. Sadly the plane did crash somewhere, only 2 places I know for certain it did not, 1 is the Pentagon and the 2nd is where I was that day.
Surely the ultra-sophisticated Saudis were the supplier of nano-thermite used to detonate the 3rd building.
Terrorists + Saudis = case closed
Dig much deeper and you will find direct Israeli and US ties to 9/11.
One big happy manipulative hegemonic family!
US maintains hegemony, Israel gets to be the bully little brother, Saudi arabia gets most favored muslim nation and first dibs on oil contracts. win-win-win
But of course people in caves who launch attacks from the back of mules are easier to fight and don't have their own billion dollar news network for propaganda.
It's amazing that given their history of false flag attacks and hostility towards the Arab world and considering the most obvious of all things: That Israel had to most to gain and in fact has been the greatest beneficiary of post 9/11 US policies and wars...and still nobody dares mention them as the most obvious and likely nation to have carried out the attack.
They had the means, the motivation, the capabilities and the connections to make it all happen. All else is distraction and obfuscation.
You do know that the American government has it's own history of false flag attacks right? America itself had the means, the motive, the capabilities, and the connections to carry it off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
American corporations that received increased Homeland Security spending were greater beneficiaries of the post 9/11 world than even Isreal.
Blaming the ebil zionistas is just as much a cover as the blame the muslim folks. It's the perfect distraction.
I think that people need to quit applying labels and countries to all of this and just focus on the ONE thing that is, and always has been consistent throught the history of man: it's about POWER! The string-pullers could give a shit about what the structure looks like underneath them as long as that structure holds their asses up. It should be pretty clear that this economic disaster has been seen coming a LONG time ago, and that the string-pullers have been trying to figure out a way to consolidate their powers, to keep from being ID'd.
You'll discover the truth about 9/11 when you discover the truth about JFK and Pearl Harbor.
Please don't turn into a 911 conspiracy blog, please.
I watched a plane fly into the WTC. Do I believe that 12 guys did everything without help and the US government knew nothing, hell no.
Do I believe Israel knew about the attack and spread the word it may happen on 9/11 causing many people to not show up at work that day, yes.
Did the US government hatch an elaborate plot years in the making including wiring the WTC with explosives culminating in detonating the towers, taking control of planes, landing them in Cleveland and killing all the passengers, putting them back in the air, and then crashing them into the towers, while shooting a cruise missile at the Pentagon, not a chance in your life.
Planes took down the WTC buildings. Building 7 fell as the entire area was destabilized and there were fires, foundations go deeper than street level. The plane in PA was shot down by an F16 sent from Dayton because they didn't want to take a chance. I do business with a lumber company 15 miles away from where the plane went down. People working saw a military jets fly overhead and heard an explosion, most just thought it was a sonic boom. Which is what they did hear.There are people who saw a plane hit the Pentagon.
Did the government lie about 9/11, you bet. Have people been silenced, oh hell yes. The entire story of 9/11 wasn't fabricated but we don't know the whole truth and never will. Parts are true, parts aren't. It is far easier to let hijackers get on planes and fly them into buildings, complete with the knowledge that innocent Americans will die, than wirin the buildings with explosives. The buildings didn't have to fall to have the desired effect. The people in the government that knew, probably didn't think the towers would collapse.
Most truther crap has been fabricated by a whole lot of people with no knowledge of anything outside the color of their parents basement. The rest is government psy of propoganda to keep people blind from the obvious truths because they simply won't believe some guys hijacked planes and crashed them into building nomatter what.
Believe it don't believe it, I don't give a shit. There are more important matters than 9/11 to worry about.
ZH did it for the clicks. Fake pipeline explosion! Fake dead osama pics! Elvis on ice in the Fed print room! National enquirer for the paranoid crowd.
And yet you grace us with your wisdom.. For such a worthless site, ZH sure has gotten enough of your attention to not only read the articles, but the comments as well.. That's a chunk of time.. you fucking tool..
You sir are a fucking idiot.
ADR,
Anytime you want to send out a list of Israelis and the companies that stayed home that day, knock yourself out.
If you want to believe no jews, no Israelis, no zionist jews and no religious jews died that day, ok but don't tell me you did any real research into that either.
Where exactly did he say "no", stupid?
No, the buildings had to collapse, when you conspire to smash a plane into a building you want the maximum possible effect, this is a 1 in a century operation why stop in the middle?
Additionally if the buildings didn't collapse you would have the wreckage of the planes inside and all that EVIDENCE against you! The only way to explain the disappearance of the black-boxes was to bury them under the buildings
If the buildings didn't collapse the people would have shrugged off the event much sooner, additionally the only building that had to collapse was the WTC #7 building and they could not bring it down without the other 2
1) No way Building 7 fell due to foundation instability, it fell like it was detonated
2) Israeli security companies were in charge of all the airport security where the terrorists boarder the planes
3) People with something to lose keep lying
No one knows the truth exactly, but even a child can see the facts do not add up.
Building 7 collapse = mercenary leprechauns with advanced microwave technology.
Clear as day.
Excellent application of Occam's Razor!
Thank you, sir.
I might want to add that the twin towers likely came down because of use of deck truss construction for the office space floors. Firefighters with strong civilian engineering knowledge say that's the worst form of construction in case of fire, inclined to sudden complete collapse.
I do not know, but would assume the same kind of design was used in WTC #7.
From the videos I saw on the construction of the twin towers, and the wreckage after, it is clear that all vertical load bearing parts were held together with a rather small number of large bolts (not rivets), and the low number and placement of bolts makes it clear that when bending the girders in directions not planned for, those bolts will snap off rather quickly, making the girder parts become free falling unconnected pieces.
See this
http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build05/PDF/b05042.pdf
The interesting information is on page 94: "The test was continued for 116 minutes and terminated when collapse of the assembly was imminent."
So in the tests the WTC-style 35 ft deck truss covered with SFRM (sprayed fire-resistent materials) was found to last maybe 2 hours before collapse.
However in the WTC the main composite trusses spanned either 60 ft or 35 ft.
Now make a guess how the 60 ft would have fared in that test...
I was near Detroit at the time and thought I recognized two F16s hauling buster as they screeched out of town... I am not certain.
But I retain what I saw that day and refuse to say too much more and let this all sort itself out someday.
Hell if you live long enough this shit will be declassified and we will understand how it was. Just like Pearl when the Battleships contained bodies for days and weeks.
Some are still there.
What a piece of crap journalism.
As Jeb Bush once told retired Naval Intelligence Officer Al Martin (cited in Bushwhacked, Sept. 2002, by Uri Dowbenko)...
Because the million or so people in this country that are truly interested in the truth don't have any money
Hey - I resemble that remark!
Very unmasking, thank you.
that's a quote I've not read before, pretty heady stuffs - can't wait for them to finish his grooming for that figurehead run, he's a shoo-in.
thanks samsara (oh the irony there ^^)
thanks samsara (oh the irony there ^^)
Thanks for noticing
mmm, I'm long samsara. . . *smiles*
That makes Jeb Bush the next president.
The Saudi's did it? Mike you are losing it...bad.
Lets move on from 9/11 please.
Yeah. The greatest attack ever on the US happens & no 1 is ever found to be behind it, so let's just move on.
U are a fucking retard.
Obviously they didn't do it on your own. Papa Bin laden was lunching with papa Bush in Washington on 9/11 -coincidence? papa Bush was also good buddies with John Hinckley Jr.'s daddy -coincidence?
Papa Bush was in Dallas the day before and the day of the JFK assasination (a CIA hit) -then went on to be head the CIA before becoming president-coincidence?
The Republicans may have a brokered convention -a lot of insiders say it is being orchestrated so they can nominate Jeb Bush at the convention? Watch out -it just may be in the works.
"Papa Bin laden was lunching with papa Bush in Washington on 9/11 -coincidence?"
Would that be Lazarus bin Laden or his brother The Phoenix?
I'm guessing it would have been a very one-sided lunch conversation, given that "Papa bin Laden" has been dead for quite a long time. I suspect you read about this lunch somewhere on the internet, though, so it must be true.
It was bin Laden's brother Shafiq bin Laden lunching with Bush Sr.:
That's some fine journalism there, and illuminating, too, given the comment to which I responded. The first comment, which says "Papa", as in Osama's father, lunched with GHWB. Well, assuming your post is correct, it was something a little more grand than an intimate dinner for two, but rather a large gathering of investors, one of whom could have been one of Osama's 40 or so brothers, not his (deceased) father. That the poster thought he was revealing some grand secret (coincidence?) is simply foolish, as it implies that some grand cabal who perpetrated what would be the most insidious crime against the country ever, and who have been clever enough to keep any co-conspirator from coming clean, would make an error such as openly associating with someone connected to the man who will be blamed. Like the imbecilic "proof of conspiracy" in the form of the BBC reporter (in a complex with names such as WTC1, WTC2, WTC3, WTC4, WTC5, etc., how many people or British reporters, prior to 911, knew the difference between a WTC4 and a WTC7?), there is some foolish leap of delusion necessary to believe some uber-powerful group would err in such a banal fashion. Perhaps with the BBC report the conspirators thought that the WTC7 collapse would go unnoticed, so they needed to make sure news services would not miss it?
The bin Laden family ran one of SA's largest construction companies at a time when SA was building the majority of its infrastructure and was generating $100 billion per year (back when that was real money in a population that was then barely 4 million) from oil sales. It is little wonder they became wealthy, and had the ability to send many of their children to school abroad, even if one later chose to reside in Tora Bora.
It's all good innuendo and the sort of thing lapped up voraciously by the naive or the paranoid delusional who want to think they have found some smoking gun. In reality, however, it is meaningless, or to put it as the bard put it, "it is a tale...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".
It must be tiring defending a failed paradigm...I suppose considering the long term Bush bin Laden relationship that it was impossible that the two had lunch together on Sept. 10, 2001 within the context of a "large gathering of investors." Right?
I suppose you believe the Osama was the 'black sheep of the bin Laden family' angle as well.
Speaking of cui bono I'd imagine the Carlyle Group has done very well for itself in the aftermath of 9/11. But that's just another coinky-dink, right?
Obviously they didn't do it on your own. Papa Bin laden was lunching with papa Bush in Washington on 9/11 -coincidence? papa Bush was also good buddies with John Hinckley Jr.'s daddy -coincidence?
Papa Bush was in Dallas the day before and the day of the JFK assasination (a CIA hit) -then went on to be head the CIA before becoming president-coincidence?
The Republicans may have a brokered convention -a lot of insiders say it is being orchestrated so they can nominate Jeb Bush at the convention? Watch out -it just may be in the works.
much more -Grandpapa Preston Bush helped fund Hitler and the nazis.
much more -Grandpapa Preston Bush helped fund Hitler and the nazis.
That's actually Prescott Bush - and he was also charged with a treason-like offense for trying to overthrow the US government during WWII - which was eventually conveniently kept out of the public eye. Marine Corp General Smedly Butler was key in stopping the coup at that time.
jeb bush - you bet it is. they want that bad. 3 people from same family (directly related to betty windsor nee sax-coburg). it's on big time. i thought they would wait another 4 years, but why bother?
So a healthy looking 43-year old without prior health problems suddenly collapses and dies of a heart-attack, just before his plan to release incriminating evidence on the President!?
And people dare to state that it's a conspiracy theory to say it was not natural causes, damn strait it's a conspiracy theory and a very valid 1 at that!
Does any1 still believe that you have too shoot some1 in the face to kill them in the 21st century or use high explosives to blow them up?!
It's called "Ricin" people. Look it up.
Why do so many here that just because you mention the word civil engineer that somehow these people are always right? That's like saying that by hiring lawyers you automatically win the case even though both sides have lawyers.
You know what, it's not like every "civil engineer" aced all their exams in college yet somehow anytime WTC 7 is brought up, civil engineers are suddenly magical superstars with superior skills to doctors, lawyers accountants who never get a computer simulation or calculation wrong.
Using a similar analogy, there shouldn't be a Zerohedge because the best and most educated finance people in the world are working for government so there shouldn't be any financial problems. After all, finance must be easier than putting up and collapsing buildings.
Exactly. Yet DHS can find where you've ordered food the last 12 months, or find a hacker from Anonymous who has been going from cafe-to-cafe, using an anonymous proxy, while living on the streets.
Like JFK, if you don't think something fuckin' stinks here....well then......as they say in poker, if you can't find the sucker within the first hour at the table....
.....that motherfucker is probably you.
Read a similar article about Breitbart's mysterious death http://newamericanpoverty.com/obama-critic-dead/
Kind of like the Mena Arkansas days when the 2 doods involved with Clinton somehow killed themselves and then laid down on the railroad tracks together.
Vince Foster with no gunpowder burns on his hands but able to shoot himself in the back of the head in the park.
The old Soviets with the war medals have to be having some cheap vodka toasts at our expense. Our government is way more creative than their old guard.
Also remember Democratic Senator Paul Wellstone, who mysteriously died in a plane crash (along with family).
He was an ardent enemy of the oil industry, and was liked across both sides of the isle. He also, most omportantly, wanted to be a pioneer to ban ALL corporate donations, especially foreign, to Congressmen.
John Ashcroft involved in some shenangians, too.
http://www.alternet.org/story/14399/
"poor visibility" eh? aye, he clearly couldn't see he needed to get the fk outta Ashcroft's way. . .
The is no longer any doubt as to Mike Krieger's credibility.
Simone
Anyone who really wants to see it plainly only need read this post. Who were the tennants that had access, who had the motive, who was responsible for security, who had ties to who, who had the means, and who was in charge of cleanup. They are definately not Arab!
http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_DonPaul.html
Read all four parts. If you aren't convinced by that then you are part of the problem.
This article must be ground zero for crazies. Just goes to show people will not even believe their own eyes, or in this case, video. Two planes with jet fuel crashed, the heat took a long time to make the structure unstable, the immediate floor then collapsed, bringing down additional floors from the top creating a cascade effect. Building 7 came down from debris or foundation shaking or both.
If there was a conspiracy of any sort then more evidence would have leaked by now.
This article must be ground zero for crazies. Just goes to show people will not even believe their own eyes, or in this case, video. Two planes with jet fuel crashed, the heat took a long time to make the structure unstable, the immediate floor then collapsed, bringing down additional floors from the top creating a cascade effect. Building 7 came down from debris or foundation shaking or both.
If there was a conspiracy of any sort then more evidence would have leaked by now.
Go climb back in your pod. Seek the comfort of the matrix, You moron. But then again, after a rough week, I feel better after telling some zombiefied pod person to pull his head out of his ass.
Pull your head out of your ass Trestle. You must get tired of injesting shit all day. Come out and smell the roses.
Go climb back in your pod. Seek the comfort of the matrix, You moron. But then again, after a rough week, I feel better after telling some zombiefied pod person to pull his head out of his ass.
Pull your head out of your ass Trestle. You must get tired of injesting shit all day. Come out and smell the roses.
Watch the original loosechange911.com video if it is still out there... you don't have to be a conspiracy nut to come up with ten questions that HAVE to be answered... first is, of course, Building 7. Also, no plane parts at the Pentagon or Shanksville... planes do NOT vaporize when they hit, folks... melting steel by diesel fuel, free fall collapse (what happened to inner core?), verified presence of thermite, missing gold (vaporized), fires that burnes for weeks after (diesel fuel fires?), funny white plane above, squibs exploding, on and on... the biggest cover-up in our history... An inside job, had to be.
See Teller Reveals His Secrets (Smithsonian)
pilotsfor911truth.org
Will Your mileage vary?
At this point I am more insulted at the lack of effort put into the official story. Guess with public eductation they could say Godzilla did it and the MSM would pass it on. The magic plane that disappear on contact with the Pentagon, that is all one needs to know.
It's not about being a truther, it's about not being an idiot; same with JFK.
I definitely don't consider myself a 9/11 conspiracy hypothosizer, but can someone please explain for me:
1) The Collapse of Building 7?
2) No plane wreckage at the Pentagon? A hole in the building that a commercial jet can NOT fit into? A hole with very little fire damage?
3) No plane wreckage at the Shanksville site?
Just curious.....
Simple -it's like dinosaur bones. God put them there to test our faith. The earth was made in 4000 BC. We are God's chosen people -us and israel. Manifest destiny. If you don't believe, you are not a true American. If you doubt the official version of 911 (like the holocaust) -you have no faith. You are not a good American. The NDAA (Indefinite Detention Act) and FEMA camps are your future -your destiny. If you are not with us, you are against us. If you are a doubter, you had better repent -soon. I am serious. There is no where to run. Their are no new frontiers.
If you talk or think or act on what happened then you ARE a 9/11 conspiracy hypothizer. What is the legal definition of a conspiracy? Look it up. The question is which conspiracy do you believe in?
'It is always about the money, mon ami" H.Poirot
I hear ya. 100% correct.
and the woman working at the Pentagon going through the hole and saying there was no aircraft debris. She also said it sounded like a bomb going off.
The Pentagon is game set match for an idiot test, if you believe this magical aircraft story you are certainly AN IDIOT, no qualifiers, no conditionals.
Sorry to be the dumb dumb here, but what was Building 7 used for?
One possibilty, almost never seen but I found it from ZH. It considers an extremely large amount of Chinese Gold (The Dragon Family)
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/too-close-home
Search for a link with "cosmos" in it..
Bruce Krasting says "FYI it was a lawyer who sent me this. A scared one.".
And the WTC link (not sure if building 7 or not)....
"THE FIRST GOLD SHIPMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SEPTEMBER 12, 2001"
BF: The International Court of Justice said “You guys have to give back the gold you took.” They said “Okay.” The first shipment of gold they were supposed to give back was due to be sent back on September 12th, 2001.
DW: Jesus Christmas!
BF: And of course, as you know, the World Trade Center got blown up on September 11th. The gold that was in the basement went missing."... I didn’t see or hear a plane, just a massive explosion..."
of course you didn't hear any planes because there were none - i know for a fact that there was no plane at the pentagon - only a cruise missile..
what you heard was the just invented high tech explosive nanothermite which brought down all three towers in a controlled demolition....melting all of the girders it touched which is why bushsatan had the iron hauled to china for immediate melting....
at the risk of repeating myself from the george washington thread, i assure you that the saudi involvement was orchestrated via the bush crime syndicate (and cia) which had very close business and personal ties with sadam husein and osama bin laden linked through enron, carlyle group, and god knows what other feindish terrorists at bechtel, halliburton, and black rock...
o'neil was transferred to wtc to be murdered - he found too many money trails leading back to bush....
read family of secrets by russ baker to find out about the criminal enterprises of the bush crime syndicate....they are all pure evil....
and speaking of mkultra, i am absolutely convinced that bush was behind the murders of john lennon and ronald reagan...
the war on terror is phonier than george w bush's guard service....a complete fake and crock
thank you mike for speaking the truth and demanding answers to questions....the commissioner (female) of the 9/11 commission stated to jesse ventura that the purpose of the 9/11 commission was "not to find the truth but maintain the institutions of government..."
delusional
delusional
and speaking of mkultra, i am absolutely convinced that bush was behind the murders of john lennon and ronald reagan...
So, Bush put the Alzheimer's in Reagan's cereal?
lawdy. . .
teh alzhmmr is indigestible - however, contributing factors, such as aluminium ingestion, is ubiquitous. . .
*cough* Maggie Thatcher too *cough*
so,
she's telling the truth, right?
Jaime S. Gorelick
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/about/bio_gorelick.htm
yes, I absolutely understand that she is embedded in the .gov hierarchy - my post was just wondering why "(female)" was used in the previous post - what is the need to know the sex of the person, to the overall story? particularly since being a "(female)" in this tangled web of a story would put her in the minority of players. . .
the other point I was trying to make is that she was telling the truth when she acknowledged that the hierarchy of governance was being protected - therein lies the truth.
I was just identifying the female player mentioned above. ;)
I'm in 100% agreement with your last sentence.
I'd say that most of the women who get into the top levels of USA gov't nowadays have more balls than some of the men. In other words they've lost their 'Sophia principles' ...if you get my drift.
We will not have liberty nor will the world be safe until 9/11 is re-investigated.
The future is now. Be Prepared.
Fuck that and move on.
The world has never been safe. It will never be safe.
You know what was far more devasting to the majority of Americans:financial crisis of 2008 and its hangover.
MOVE ON.
Wow, that's the most flawed comment of yours I've ever read, Lizzy.
I guess everyone should play Ostrich regarding an event that has literally reshaped global politics and finance for over a decade now, and probably will continue to do so for quite a few more decades.
I won't even get into the specifics of what it's done to the U.S. Constitution nor the civil liberties and former "rights" of U.S. Citizens (it would take a long time).
I get irritated with the notion that somehow an "investigation" is going to lead us to "the truth".
You are absolutely correct that 9/11 has reshaped the world. Reshapped the US. I am all for examining the way that has happened, including but not limited to the continued erosion of civil liberties.
My "fuck that" was more an attack on all the theories of what happened on that given day.
We should not be stuck on "investigating" that day. How is that going to change the way that day was and is responded to?
Never be an Ostrich, but expanding all ones time on a single event seem counterproductive given everything that has come afterward, no?
I don't know, Lizzy; maybe we should get to as close as the truth as we can in order to ensure we're not being lied to, and to prevent similar events in the future?
After all, the events of that day have now cost millions of civilian and non-civilian lives, collectively, at least 2 major military 'actions' (I'd argue more than that given recent events), literally dozens of trillions of dollars being spent on warfare, security, MIC, etc. and have spawned an era of massive erosion of sovereign rights of not just Americans, but almost everyone alive.
I understand the sentiment of some that is fatalistic and amounts to a resounding "oh, we'll never know, so let's not try," but I have contempt for that attitude, because IT'S SURRENDING EVERYTHING THAT CAN KEEP US FREE.
coming to know truths is an incremental process, once certain barriers are downed, often cascades of information become more "real."
but if one just steps over the truth, the pathway is still pretty cluttered, almost unnavigable.
I don't know, Lizzy; maybe we should get to as close as the truth as we can in order to ensure we're not being lied to, and to prevent similar events in the future?
The first government-run investigation yielded nothing but lies half-truths and distortions.
You think another government-run investigation would yield different results?
Any mention of another investigation would immediately reveal the 1st investigation was a fraud, so no, they can't even consider another investigation.
Getting to the truth? Plenty of people outside the government have found the truth, or at least some of the truth.
Prevent similar events in the future? Forget it. These false flag events are done for a purpose. When the government feels a need to do one, nothing will prevent it.
11 years later: you're into the albertSchweitzer "quest", imo. he "quested" for the 'historical Jesus' but was also quite late with the "factual historical" approach
he found little/no historical evidence, but tons of stories and eyewitness "accounts" and stuff that the 1stCentury found "interesting" or "instructional" or "religious" or what-have-you
so, after you're done with 911, maybe you could take just a little more time and give us the "truth" about Jesus, historically, too, ok? maybe do jfk too, if you don't mind, ok?
again, lizzy has the practical approach, imo, b/c she is not "jousting at windmills"
i still think she has a valid point; but maybe in another decade or two, i'll be demanding a new investigation, myself, if you follow my drift...
probably not, tho
That is what we rational humans call "somewhat of an exaggeration"!!
Making a comment in one of 20 or 30 threads for the day ... on a subject that one only needs to spend an hour or two investigating over the last 10 years in order to arrive at the conclusion that the official story was/is a monstrous lie ... does not meet your description.
What are you afraid of, Lizzy? Indeed, why did you feel it necessary to "expend all your time" adding 4 more comments to this particular thread?
Maybe it is you who should "move on" and return to playing in the rigged casino, meanwhile leaving us to discuss the corruption that created the lie that directly led to the expenditure of trillions of dollars and the destruction of tens of millions of lives in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Syria, Iran, and in the US itself, to chase down "the [fictitious] terrorists".
In my view, if you are not part of the solution (shining the light on the lies and liars), then you are part of the problem (apathy towards corruption and the stripping of freedoms).
if i understand her correctly, i-dog,
she is "afraid" of another "investigation"
nothing more, nothing less, from what she has put up here, imo
Thanks, Slewie. But I'd really like to hear her own explanation of why she thinks that discussion of 9-11 is "crazy talk" and that she is "not interested" and, also, why she is afraid of any further investigation.
ok
i didn't realize that what she said on the earlier page was what you were getting at, here
i didn't take her that way, but as you say, i can't speak for her
this is funny, sometimes, as we blog along, here, i-dog, trying to understand a comment
she made those comments in dialogue with me and i didn't ask her for an explanation b/c i thought (L0L) i understood her
not only that, i share a very similar point of view to what i think she is saying
good for me, huh? L0L!!!
i'll take lizzyZ, here!
not that there is anything incorrect or untrue in what you write, tis, but imo, 911 has become a projective test, like showing an ink-blot and asking about it
abviously, the official version {whatever that is} = bullshit
but that is all we shall even know, i think
here is a guy {tonyBonn} about 3 column inches north of here who doesn't even believe that there were planes flown into the towers!
and, in my mind, occam might agree, since if the buildings were brought down w/ "cordite", then all you need is the "illusion" of airplanes leading to fiery explosions and no airplane parts, whatsoever, anyawhere! that is logically correct, captain! we have seen illusions on this scale, also, btw
i find it interesting that the "visual" which was "broadcast" might not be "real"
the crime scene of arloGuthrie'sThanksgivingDayDump was treated more professionally than 911's crime scenes
it is pretty damned hard to form a theory of a crime when you don't allow forensic investigation of the scenes, for pete's sake!
my point is that we'll never know. dickCheney could have a death-bed confession and most of it would be redacted! and even if it were broadcast "live", who would believe it?
so, intellectually you are right, tis; but practically lizzy is right
we may have some idea of "what" happened, but who did what, when, and why will evermore remain unknown; unless ya follow the money, of course...
so, yes, you are looking there, too, it seems...
althought we may not know much of anything, the possibility arrays still call for interpretive science and intuitive insight, tis, but an investigation? c'mon! all we would learn about is ourselves!
There's no way there could be a connection between 9/11 and its aftermath, and the American financial(debt) crisis.
Right?
How much of our debt problems were/are related to expenditures directly related to the events of September 11, 2001?
We will not have liberty nor will the world be safe until 9/11 is re-investigated.
The future is now. Be Prepared.
According to Egyptian newspaper Osama died in 2001.
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=16352
Which sounds right as there is no credible evidence of him being alive since than.
There are many sources that had him dying in 2001. That is no secret, except to the young souls who are easily distracted with a ball of string.... and now they have demolished the building so that it will be harder to prove the lies.
What I find quite entertaining though is the guy who claims he has proof that Barry Soetoro was the guy who dressed up as the fake OBL for all of those videos.
Tyler - This link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird. is including the period at the end and misdirecting.
Oh for goodness sake, if you're trying to correct the link then CORRECT it!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
If you've ever been in the basement structure of a huge 100+ story building, you would realize that there is no way in hell that an airplane plowing into the upper floors could cause the building to collapse. This airplane's impact would be similar to pounding a railroad spike into a redwood tree at about 250 feet up the trunk...
What does the basement have to do with anything? The building toppled from the top down not because of damage at the foundation. And it wasn't the impact, it was the 1200F fire (as someone else emntioned) that softened the girders. Soft steel doesn't hold weight much better than liquid steel. But I'm sure you are a PE civil engineer right?
I thougth ZH readers were smarter than this.
How did the "1200F fire" at the top cause this?
911 - Firemen Witness Explosions In WTC Lobby.flvhttp://youtu.be/GgScohpG7p0
don't worry, be chappy
What does the basement have to do with anything? The building toppled from the top down not because of damage at the foundation. And it wasn't the impact, it was the 1200F fire (as someone else emntioned) that softened the girders. Soft steel doesn't hold weight much better than liquid steel. But I'm sure you are a PE civil engineer right?
I thougth ZH readers were smarter than this.
Just curious, but if the fire was actually able to soften the structure to cause a collase, wouldn't only the steel beams in the are where the fire existed (and only as long as they were exposed to fire) get soft, causing those members to collapse and having the building above the soft beams collapse in that area while the cool beams held up their edge ... minimally causing the uppoer floors to fall over in one particular direction? Falling straight down seemingly makes no sense.
No one has ever assumed or been able to show any evidence that ALL of the steel box supports were heated by the jet fuel, only those in the area where the plane hit.
When you join the 911 Truthers, it's the same as hanging a sign around your neck that says "I am an idiot.". I'll not waste anymore time and effort reading this particular idiot.
"911 Truthers". Who's their symbol? George Bush?
Your use of the english language makes you more of an idiot than a sign. Try proofreading your posts before you hit the "enter" key next time.
Best to keep your mind closed. You must protect that tiny bit of gray matter from falling out.
We're wasting time on this shit. We know who the general class of crooks are. We have to rejunvenate our Republic. It's like Arpaio's Posse. I know something's off with BO, but you gotta Look Ahead: What's important is getting the bastard out of office, not what happened 45+ years ago when he was hatched. What's important is what we do about it today and tomorrow.
Ron Paul would be a good start.
Any individual with critical thinking skills know that skyscrapers don't just vaporize at freefall speed from planes where the fuel did not burn hot enough to melt steel, and even if it did could not cause this to happen. And don't forget about building 7 that was never hit by any planes, that also fell at freefall speed later that day. Oh and it was announced they were going to pull it; which is demolition lingo!
Why do all you idiots talk about melting steel? Steel at 1200F is RED HOT and has lost 80% of its carrying capability. It's soft!! It doesn't have to be a LIQUID to not be able to sustain the load. Learn how to think outside the box. Take a science class or two.
There are over 1500 Architects and Engineers that seem to doubt the official story.
Perhaps you could set them straight on matters of science, structural integrity and design.
No doubt that compared to you they don't know shit, right?
And several hundred thousand that don't doubt it. Your argument doesn't really hold water. Just because an extremely small percentage of architects and engineers state something doesn't really give it credibility. I'm not saying Saudi Arabia wasn't involved, but the rest of this explosive mumbo jumbo has been shown to be faulty by all but fringe "experts".
"explosive mumbo jumbo" is an amazing scientific impeachment you did there
I appreciate your (soul) sacrifice to keep the discussion alive, but is not necessary.
If you think objects fall through the path of maximum resistance on their way to the ground, then I think you need more science classes.
Technically, Chappy is absolutely correct here.
Stuff like this gives the site a bad name. This is useless conspiracy garbage.
Why do you get to decide what is "conspiracy garbage"?
Oddly enough the government has its own conspiracy theory with respect to 9/11, but it of course is "conspiracy reality" vs delusional "conspiracy garbage", right?
yeah!!!! what about the one that obama and the democrat run cia killed briebart!!what about the one where buffett the coot gets kidkbacks from the democrat nazi party for helping to kill keystone. what about the one where obama the muslim deep cover terrorist and that thing he married are stealing lunch's from little white girls. what about .....it never ends .
kill the saudis , who cares. as long as a democrat kills and assassiates it b o tay...and he is black too...yippee...
It would make sense why they have been "taking care of Wall Street" ever since...
I guess 911 was supposed to be bankers paying their dues...unfortunately good people died...no bankers though...
This is not the first time. This has happened more than 200 times before. Time for another event is coming closer. This is a DNA issue. Rob your saviors, got ass kicked move to new territory.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/HistoryJewishPersecution/
...it's simple, 911 to Iran is the road to Jerusalem and the prophetic false peace. Getting there defines the ''war path'' of the New World Order Suicide Vampire squid of the Great Wal Mart of China.
Does any one ever heard the term" greater Israel".