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Mike Krieger Asks Whether September 11, 2001 Is Our Big Lie
From Michael Krieger of KAM LP
“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of Sept. 11 victims and others. Mr. Graham led a joint 2002 Congressional inquiry into the attacks.
Their affidavits, which were filed on Friday and have not previously been disclosed, are part of a multibillion-dollar lawsuit that has wound its way through federal courts since 2002. An appellate court, reversing an earlier decision, said in November that foreign nations were not immune to lawsuits under certain terrorism claims, clearing the way for parts of the Saudi case to be reheard in United States District Court in Manhattan.
Still, Washington has continued to stand behind Saudi Arabia publicly, with the Justice Department joining the kingdom in trying to have the lawsuits thrown out of court on the grounds that the Saudis are protected by international immunity.
The senators’ assertions “might inject some temporary strain or awkwardness at a diplomatic level,” said Kenneth L. Wainstein, a senior national security official in the George W. Bush administration. Even so, he said, “the United States and the Saudis have developed strong counterterrorism cooperation over the last decade, and that relationship will not be undermined.”
- NY Times article from today
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think.
- Adolf Hitler
September 11, 2001: Our Big Lie
I wasn’t planning on writing this week, but so much stuff has come out in the last two days that I couldn’t help myself from trying to get this information out to as wide an audience as possible. Those of you that have been long time readers are aware of the fact that I witnessed 9/11 firsthand. On that fateful morning, I was getting breakfast at 3 World Financial Center when all of a sudden people started panicking and saying we were evacuating the building. I never made it back up to my cubicle and instead took my toast and orange juice downstairs with me. When I got down there I couldn’t believe my eyes. There in from of me was a huge smoldering black hole in the first tower that was hit. I was one block away just starring at this symbol of the city I was born in with sheer terror. People all around starting speculating as to what caused it. I heard ridiculous theories such as a “helicopter hit it.” It looked like a bomb to me. In any event, we all stood there very close until out of nowhere I heard a massive explosion and saw debris spewing from behind the building. In case you are unaware of how the buildings were situated, from my viewpoint the first building that got hit totally blocked the second tower. I didn’t see or hear a plane, just a massive explosion. The ground shook and people started to stampede away. I almost got tossed into a nearby trashcan as my opened orange juice container spilled all over me. I retreated about one hundred yards back to regroup with the herd.
At this point the word had started to get around that two planes had hit the buildings. Several friends and I decided to walk back to my apartment, which at the time was on 12th street between 3rd and 4th avenue. Cell phones didn’t work. My parents and brother who was studying abroad in Australia at the time all thought I might be dead. I saw people jumping to their death. I saw the first building come down in person as I walked home. I never returned to 3 World Financial Center as it became a temporary morgue. Lehman Brothers relocated to the Sheraton Hotels in Midtown for the next several months and my group worked out of a small conference room.
While 9/11 was far more traumatic for many Americans than for myself, it really messed me up emotionally for a while. I thought about joining the armed forces or the newly created Department of Homeland Security. I almost quit my job to get a graduate degree in something I could do to help fight the “war on terror.” The city of my birth was attacked and two great symbols I had seen repeatedly growing up had suddenly vanished. I never once questioned anything about 9/11 for many, many years. I was emotionally reprogrammed. I now realize that was the intent and I am not happy about it.
Look, I will be the first to say I have no idea what really happened on that day, but I can tell you one thing. I am 100% convinced that it wasn’t 19 cave dwelling Al Qaeda members who hate us for our “freedoms.” I can also tell you that two planes didn’t take down three buildings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI. Building 7. Oh building 7. Explain to me how this massive building came down demolition style when nothing hit it?
The real reason I am writing this piece today is because of a very, very important article from the NY Times, parts of which I have quoted at the top. The article shows how two former Senators have said in sworn statements that they believe the government of Saudi Arabia was directly involved in the attacks. Now, such speculation is not new; however, let’s not forget the very close relationships that many of the elite in the U.S. have with the Saudi government. Furthermore, let’s analyze some of the passages in the article in a little more detail.
Still, Washington has continued to stand behind Saudi Arabia publicly, with the Justice Department joining the kingdom in trying to have the lawsuits thrown out of court on the grounds that the Saudis are protected by international immunity.
The senators’ assertions “might inject some temporary strain or awkwardness at a diplomatic level,” said Kenneth L. Wainstein, a senior national security official in the George W. Bush administration. Even so, he said, “the United States and the Saudis have developed strong counterterrorism cooperation over the last decade, and that relationship will not be undermined.”
Let’s start with the first line. The “Saudis are protected by international immunity.” WTF does that mean? They are protected by international immunity? Where was this international immunity for Iraq before we bombed them into the stone age? Where was the international immunity for Libya before we decided regime change would be a good idea there? Where is the international immunity for Iran now? The hypocrisy and ridiculousness of the propaganda has now reached epic status.
Now to the second line. “Even so, he said, “the United States and the Saudis have developed strong counterterrorism cooperation over the last decade, and that relationship will not be undermined.” If this doesn’t tell you right then and there that the entire “war on terror” is a smokescreen sham then nothing will. So let me get this straight. According to this logic it may not matter that the Saudis were involved in 9/11 because they have been a great ally in counterterrorism. So the guys that played a role in the attack are our allies in fighting themselves. How convenient! 2+2 does indeed equal 5 in the USA.
Now here is a very telling clip to watch from that creep Joe Scarborough, who is probably a creation of Operation Mockingbird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird. Here is the clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv_DBMo5Dzc&feature=player_embedded
Did you catch that? When confronted with the potential of Saudi involvement, this little weasel Steven Rattner (remember he was Obama’s car czar) comes out and states “I think it may fall a little bit into the category of things you just kind of don’t want to know.” Excuse me Rattner? Things WHO doesn’t want to know. I sure as hell want to know and I am pretty sure everyone else in America and world wants to know since this event is what led to a massive crackdown on civil liberties and wars all across the world. Not to mention the fact it has led to U.S. fiscal and economic ruin. What he means is that this is something the government doesn’t want YOU to know. Notice how right away he mentions how much oil the Saudis produce. This clip really exposes the mindset of the criminals that make up the U.S. social, political and economic elite.
Then Donnie Deutch says “I don’t know where you go with this,” to which Scarborough states “I don’t think you go anywhere with this.” Go back to sleep America.
Then there is the real kicker. They end the segment debating whether they will be summering in the Hamptons, Martha’s Vineyard or Nantucket. Laughing the whole time. Laughing at their audience for being such stupid sheep.
Andrew Breitbart
I want to conclude this piece by stating I am quite curious what sorts of natural causes made a 43 year old collapse. As my friend commented…”He's in decent shape and goes naturally yet Soros and Rockefeller look the like living dead yet they are walking and live to be 185yrs old.”
Oh and by the way. He claimed to have videos that would expose banker puppet Obama. Don’t believe me? Take a watch. He made this statement 20 days ago. Then drops dead. At least they didn’t use a hot tub this time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fRQ2lIQ3Lg
RIP Andrew. I didn’t always agree with you, but you were a fighter.
Rest up this weekend everyone. I think things are about to get crazy.
Peace and wisdom,
Mike
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aka "Eretz Yisrael Hashlemah"
Steel is quite soft at 1200F and has lost most of its strength. It doesn't turn into a liquid until 2700F. I think some of you experts out there should work on your problem solving skills.
www.ae911truth.org has done a lot of work on this subject. While the path of least resistance/cognitive dissonance is to dismiss it offhand as "conspiracy", in actuality even a cursory study shows that it is NIST telling fairytales.
And your argument is? The steel fatigued, but instead of the upper stories falling to one side or the other, the buildings miraculously chose instead to pursue the path of maximum resistance, utterly destroying massive central columns? Oh yea, those are some sharp problem solving skills you got there.
chappy I think you should work on your details skills
The fact that two politicians (read-lying sacks of shit) are coming out in public at this time to make these statements --- WATCH THE OTHER HAND! This is misdirection. Look where they don't want you to look. What's happened in the last few days for these Clepto-Publi-cRats to point out into the distance and scream, "Look over there. Look over there!!!!"
They are setting Saudi Arabia up for something (not like Saudi Arabia probably doesn't deserve whatever it is) but I come from a background that finds it repugnant to "make shit up" on someone to "get them" --- regardless of how crappy and evil they might be. Get'em for what they have really done or are doing now!
OR, as I said earlier - they don't want you to pay attention to something somewhere else. Closer to home, maybe? Divert?
You know how a lot of conspiracy stories are layered deep like an onion? The inigma in a riddle in a fortune cookie syndrom? It so perpetuates itself that even during critical conversation, one word is enough to mislead the entire story right back to square one. But which square is square one? Nobody knows so everyone's left confused and pissed and slinging mud at each other.
I for one know this. Too many times I see the term "The Government" misused and advertantly/inadvertantly substituted for the term "The Elite". It's almost like the catch mistake that derails solving the riddle and sends ciphers scrambling back in search of their begining square.
Get it right folks. The Government isn't hiding anything. People are hiding something and those people use government agencies as tools to perform to their needs.
And Mike... Be a little more prepaired with your word discovery. There's no such thing as International Immunity. It's called Diplomatic Immunity and we do or did not have it with Iran, Iraq or Libia. Don't let shumcks like Car Czar fool you by chaging a few words and hiding behind them. I'm sure he did this on purpose, fed the story with miseleading and irrelevant terms to make repeaters sound mislead.
As for those clowns on Morning Joe? Exactly. Doing what they always do... You can never leave a discussion without bringing it back to the distracitonary joke and laughter! Why? Because nobody's going to be watching the baby food commercial if they leave a feeder segment totally distraught and attached to the converstation. In order to be a buyer, you need to get punched in the nose first so you subconciously choose Pampers.
The guy in the clip used the term "International immunity"
Screw the "multi-billion dollar lawsuit" part: I want sob's hanging from trees rotting in the sun.
Global Warming is the cause of 9/11
It will be the destruction of the earth. THAT IS FACT!
http://youtu.be/haalft-KHfM?t=19s
:-}
Make that Anthropomorphic Global Warming.
Try "Anthropogenic", dear.
The Bush and Saudi families are one and the same. The same in that the oil billions are god. Wait, wrong, make that oil and drugs.
You're spot-on Count, check out "Family of Secrets" by Russ Baker for the lowdown on the Bushes and their vile deeds.
The partners include not only telecommunication giants like AT&T but also, Mr. Bamford found, a number of small companies that sell the agency surveillance software and hardware. He discovered that key figures in at least two of those suppliers have ties to Israeli intelligence — including Israel’s counterpart to the N.S.A., Unit 8200 — raising questions about the security of the United States’ most secret intelligence operations.
“I don’t think Congress knows about these vulnerabilities,” he said.
By SCOTT SHANE Published: October 10, 2008WASHINGTON — For 30 years, on a sometimes lonely hunt, James Bamford has pursued that great white whale of American intelligence, the National Security Agency. It has been a jarring ride at times.
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He's right about one thing. Steve Ratner is a little weasel.
“I don’t think Congress knows about these vulnerabilities,” he said.
Congress is a bunch of morons. Anyone there step out of line and the will either be blackmailed, forced to resign or 'have an accident'. The CIA has/had a couple guys that did nothing else than to spy on our own leaders, such as Kerry and others.
" If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. "
Check this out. What do you see?
http://www.the-parenting-magazine.com/child-development/playing-individually-vs-playing-with-others/
We Are NWO, Armegeddon.
Click here if you would like some education on the topic.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-09-01/911-commissioner-and-co-chair-congressional-inquiry-911-say-sworn-declaration
Despite all our rage we are still just.... OIL SLAVES!
another thought,"are they thinking SA after Iran?".
I think it is amazing how an untrained pilot in a huge jet was ablw to stick to a perfect glide path to hit the pentagon. Japanese pilits moar of the rime missed the carrier wirh their kamikaze runs and either came up short and hit the water, or flew harmlessly ovwr the rop of rhe carrier and hit the water on the other side.
That hit on the pentagon was amazingly lucky for an untrained pilot.
Most amateur pilots when they know the details of the pentagon hit will twll you they couldnt do it.
I certainly coyld not maintain that perfect glide path and make such a precise hit.
Significant practical differences in context include the complexities and contingencies of being shot at and idividual commitment. I believe the public record includes the emergency talking in of non pilots to a safe landing (albeit not with a passenger jet). The Pentagon is a huge target, too.
But most importantly (and I do appreciate your remarks, El Presidente, please make no mistake about that!), any suicide pilot would have found it much easier, and much more deadly and damaging, to fly into the Pentagon from above, instead of aiming for that reinforced west wall!!!!
Architects and engineers say we need an independent investigation of 9/11, as we have yet to find the underlying cause of this tragedy. http://www.ae911truth.org/
9/11 could be a false-flag event.
9/11 IS a false-flag event.
There ... fixed it for ya.
I must say I agree that things are going to get crazy and I am very glad to have this coming out. More on the time line from Michael Ruppert - who did this in spite of being hounded and set up repeatedly.
http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Rubicon-Decline-American-Empire/dp/0865715408/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330722814&sr=8-1
P.S. He keeps this site up for the archives although I believe he is retired completely now. The last thing he did was the movie "Collapse" regarding same subject - 9-11 and surrounding issues. Like many others, the movie was never promoted although its available on Netflix etc.
From The Wilderness - Chronicling the Bushco Years, Narco-Terrorism and Traffic and Corp-Gov Corruption. Before truth was kewl - or maybe when it was still cool...
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/
(the mirror site is copvcia - which say something right there)
Illyia let me turn you onto Mike Ruppert's new site: http://www.collapsenet.com/262.html
Thanks - I was just looking it up... There is a wealth of knowledge in Ruppert. Just waiting for a moment to speak out. I will spend some time.
Noticed that Matt Taibbi has a good article over there, too.
When you use italics it defeats the vote up/down function, fyi. I vote your comment a big two thumbs up!
Your point Mr. Ali al- comfry ? Is this becoming fun yet?
Sorry, illyia I was attempting to link to a photo, (aaand it's gone). another day, cheers.
I see there are shills for the "official story" lurking here in the comments, so let me put it to you this way:
1. Less money was spent investigating 911 than was spent investigating "Whitewater"
2. Bush adm pushed back any investigation at every juncture.
3. 1,000's of engineers dispute the official story-say the towers couldn't have fallen per the official story.
4. Firemen on the ground heard explosions
5. NORAD rules were massively changed several weeks prior to putting Dick Cheney in charge
6. 3 or 4 "drills" were underway the morning on 911, diverting jets away from the NYC area
7. Explain why building 7 fell when it wasn't hit
8. Saudi nationals in Sarasota allegedly harboring 2 of the hijackers mysteriously and suddenly disappeared in late Aug 01, leaving behind cars & other personal property
9. Saudi's were the only ones allowed by the gov to fly out of the U.S. without being questioned by law enforcement
10. Explain the absence of aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon.
Michael Ruppert did an excellent job in taking a detailed look at what happened on 911 in his book "Crossing the Rubicon". You shills should read it before spewing out any additional crap.
Personally IMHO it seems a cabal of neo-cons led by Cheney took control of the government in 2000 by stealing the election, after which they followed the PNAC playbook to a "t". It also seems these same neo-cons are still in charge of our government.
Eventually, we may know the truth if enough patriotic Americans and other truth-tellers speak out.
This would be the same Mike Ruppert who claims Dick Cheney flew the planes into the Twin Towers using remote control from a Secret Service command post, right?
Ruppert gives opportuniistic shills a good name.
about a year prior to 9/11 a 757 pilotless, remote controlled plane was flown from australia to the usa. the system was called global hawk. it was developed by an israeli connected company. take the time to look up all the details.
And the US likewise had a similar existing remote piloting system at that time, and those responsible for developing it were where on 9/11/01?
Spread among those four aircraft involved in the terrible events of 9/11 that day!
System Planning Corporation - FTS(Flight Termination System) and CTS(Command Transmitter System)
CEO Dov Zakheim(prior to 2001 when he moved to the Pentagon job)
...who coincidentally was also Comptroller of DoD on 9/11 and PNAC signatory on the 2000 Rebuilding America's Defenses document.
http://www.sysplan.com/capabilities/radar/fts/
http://www.sysplan.com/capabilities/radar/cts/index.html
and...
that last quote from: http://www.dailypaul.com/153527/dov-zakheim-and-911-from-freedom-of-info...
U should change your name to Cock Sucker.
National Reconnaissance Office's ops center evacuated and therefore unable to manually task recon satellites to record airspace above NYC and Pentagon that day.
And why was it evacuated? Simulated exercise, involving suicide aircraft flying into the NRO's facilities? Sound familiar to CoastWatcher troll?
All coincidences! The government doesn't lie. You're anti-semitic. We have to fight them over here so...
Whoa. Sorry. Was watching Fox News...
Darn. Replied in the wrong place. Try again.
All the talk about hidden explosives and thermite and whatnot really raises my admiration for the guys who planted them. After watching those two buildings collapse maybe 100 times, I always astonished that they managed to plant the explosives exactly where the two aircraft hit, because in both cases, the collapses start at the damaged floors. Now that's precision.
BTW, for the guy who keeps nattering about steel beams rated at 2500 degrees melting in a 1200 degree fire -- they didn't have to melt, asshole. All they had to do was soften enough that they couldn't support the weight of the floors above them.
As for who and how the aircraft were flown into the towers, I have no idea. I don't believe the official story that it was done by noobs with a few hours of flight training, but Saudi involvement could very easily mean they had a lot more than just a few hours of flight time. If you're really into conspiracy, you can always cite Mike Ruppert, who claims Dick Cheney did it by remote control of the aircrafts' autopilot systems from a Secret Service command post.
And your statement is partialy true, what your not understanding about the building design / floor layout plan is this.
1. Say the floor "beams" were hot enough to fatique, it would have only collapsed 25 or so floors beneath the damaged area, it's called compound resistance meaning the falling floors would actually be slowed down to a halt by the undamaged floors below. It fell at freefall speed.
2. If said floors just happened to defy the laws of physics that day, then all the floors would have pancaked all the way down to the base of the building leaving 110 story elevator shaft still standing. You can't have it both ways.
Your speaking to a professional right now so beware of your claims, I can do this all night. The elevator shafts were designed to act as the internal superstructure that the floors are clamped to all the way out to the outer superstructure, it's facade was designed to play an integral roll in this buildings outer support structure..
Search, No burning superstructue building in the world has ever collapsed due to fire. In Brazil, a Hotel burned for a week, it was still satnding after the fire was extinguished. Sounds like you read too much Pop Mechanics. It's okay, if you want to learn I can answer almost any question you have.
"it's called compound resistance "
A thousand thanks, Money 4 Nothing, how many times we hear all these so-called PhD's in physics, or self-described "structural engineers" who appear to have never heard of that little thing called "resistance" --- beggars belief, it does!
A steady state collapse is always some type of controlled demolition --- I've witnessed buildings collapse from earthquake, explosions, and controlled demos --- and a steady state collapse only occurs with preset explosives of some sort.
You just made my argument, thanks. The floor beams werent the issue -- the beams of the central column where most of the fire and damage were. The Twin Towers, as you should know, were not built like most skyscrapers, with a rigid framework of steel beams, box style, all the way up. The central columns provided all the support, and the outer curtain walls were only a facade. Once the center went, there was nothing to stop the whole thing from going all the way down. Your statement that the collapse would have stopped after the first 25 floors or so is ridiculous. With the weight of 20-25-30 floors crashing down, there was nothing that would have stopped it except the ground.
Like I said, if explosives were used, it was a masterful job, putting them right on the floors that the planes hit and where the collapses started.
Professional, my ass. Your own statements show the lie of that one.
Resort to name calling when losing argument... check. Wake up son.
Everytime a floor falls, it is encountering resistance with the (mass) floor beneath it where the energy is absorbed and called "spent energy" thus losing it's initial strike force floor after floor due to absorption of energy and decreased travel speed of the mass in question.
Again...Force gets absorbed and turned into spent energy thus losing force in motion every encounter with a lower floor level so you tell me genius? It's decreasing energy on the way down, not the other way around. So we can blame gravity for taking the building down post impact? Impossible and against the laws of gravity and physics. We should email Sir Isaac Newton and tell him he has been wrong all these years.
The force energy is too busy working on shattering (expended energy) the concrete floors upon multiple impacts then ceases to apply the initial mass force to the lower floors (resistance) every impact slowly bringing the fall to a halt.
For your theory* to hold water, your building that your describing would have 110 stories of floor at the base, not concrete powder.
Here is a good example, how come I can karate chop and break 5 wooden boards, but I can't get through 6? Because the mass resistance is compounding faster than the force of my strike. see?
This shit is physics 101 taught in High School.
I found an interesting link for you to study, It's a NASA JPL research page geared for an audiance of 9th to 12th grade so you should be able to comprehend it okay? This actually caters to your theory but it only works in outerspace. Force Equals Mass Times Acceleration: Newton's Second Law.
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/topnav/materials/listbytype/Force_Equals_Mass_Times.html
Uhhh, wow, and you're a professional? It's not decreasing force -- it's increasing force as the weight of the already collapsed floors is added to the momentum of the collapse. Your karate chop analogy doesn't work because you're using only a single applicaiton of force -- the blow of the hand. Yet when the towers collapsed, each addidtional destroyed floor added its weight to the force of the ones above it, dropping onto the next floor down with increased force. It would be as if each board in your karate chop increased the power of the blow with its destruction.
Sorry, I'm not playing your game. You lost, I won end of story.
Read this and shut the fuck up ignoramous. I can't believe your so dense that you can't research this yourself. Now, your done wasting my time proving you wrong. Now go fuking read and wise the fuck up and stop spreading dis-information. I am that Professional as you should conduct yourself online. People like you have a rude awakening comming or your just a shill, you can't have that both ways.
How Gravity Acts
Sir Isaac Newton noticed, centuries ago, that apples fell (down! never up...) from trees. Lots of others, before him, had also noticed this, but none had ever devised a theory of gravity from the observation. Over the years, mankind has learned that the force of gravity comes from an acceleration of known constant magnitude, depending only upon mass and separation. (That doesn't mean we know HOW it works, or WHY, but we have managed to be able to predict its effects with a high degree of precision and an even higher degree of certainty -- gravity has always had the same, predictable, effect.)
Of course, people didn't figure this stuff out immediately. According to legend, Galileo Galilei used the leaning tower of Pisa to demonstrate that a large ball and a small one (of lesser mass) fell (accelerated) at the same rate. Prior to Galileo, people had just assumed that heavier objects fell faster (much the way mankind had long assumed that the Earth was flat!).
So while an object of greater mass will exert more force upon anything which is supporting it against gravity's pull (ie, it's heavier), it does not experience any greater acceleration when gravity's pull is not opposed (ie, when it's falling). Earth's gravity can only accelerate objects downward at one known, constant, maximum rate (1 g). Heavier objects are not accelerated any quicker than are lighter objects, as Galileo demonstrated centuries ago.
Moreover...
OK, we've just solved a simple physics problem! Now let's check our work, using conservation of energy.
We know that energy is neither created nor destroyed. It merely changes forms. If we take the potential (chemical) energy in a barrel of oil and burn it, we get heat energy. When we take refined oil and burn it in our car's engine, we get kinetic (ie, motion) energy (plus some heat; an engine's not 100% efficient). When we use our car's brakes to bleed off some of that kinetic energy (ie, slow down), the energy is converted into heat (the brakes get HOT).
In the case of the free-falling body, the two kinds of energy we are concerned with are kinetic energy and potential energy. Examples of potential (gravitational) energy are the water stored way up high in a water tower, or a boulder perched atop a hill. If whatever's holding them up there is removed, they will come down, under the influence of gravity's pull.
So, as an object falls, it gives up potential energy for kinetic energy.
It turns out that the equation for potential energy is as follows:
Potential Energy = Mass x Gravity x Height
It turns out that the equation for kinetic energy is as follows:
Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x Mass x Velocity(squared)
So let's just say, for the sake of simplicity, that our falling object has a mass of 1. (Remember, the object's mass will affect its energy, and its momentum, but not its rate of free-fall.)
The potential energy given up by falling 3 seconds (144 ft) is 1 x 32 x 144 = 4608
The kinetic energy gained after falling 3 secs is 1/2 x 1 x 96(squared) = 1/2 x 9216 = 4608
So, all of the available potential energy was converted to kinetic energy. Seeing that energy was, in fact, conserved is how we know that the answer in The Simplest Case, above, was correct. We've checked our work, using an independent analysis, based upon the sound principle of conservation of energy. Now, and only now, we can be certain that our answer was correct.
The main point of your education...
Observations from 9/11
On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower "collapsed" in 10 seconds. Here is the exact quote: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds". (That's the government's official number. Videos confirm that it fell unnaturally, if not precisely that, fast. See for yourself: QT Real)
But as we've just determined, that's free-fall time. That's close to the free-fall time in a vacuum, and an exceptionally rapid free-fall time through air.
But the "collapse" proceeded "through" the lower stories of the tower. Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered resistance that is thousands of times greater than air. Recall that those lower stories had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years.
Air can't do that.
Can anyone possibly imagine the supposedly-undamaged lower floors getting out of the way of the upper floors as effortlessly as air would? Can anyone possibly imagine the lower stories slowing any kind of fall of the upper floors less than would, say, a parachute? (And what energy source could have reduced the height of [most of] the columns, top-down, at the same rate?)
You can move your arms and legs, non-destructively, through water -- a liquid fluid -- but not anywhere near as rapidly as you can through air. You certainly can't move your arms and legs through solids as rapidly as you can through air. And neither can gravity.
It is beyond the scope of the simple, but uncontested, physics in this presentation to tell you how long a gravitational collapse through the path of maximum resistance should [sic] have taken. Would it have taken a minute? An hour? A day? Forever?
Perhaps. But what is certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that the towers could not have collapsed gravitationally, through intact lower stories, as rapidly as was observed on 9/11.
Not even close!
Because, as you may recall, not only was much energy expended in causing the observed massive high-speed sideways and even upward ejections, but virtually all the glass and concrete was pulverized -- actually disintegrated is a much better word. (Nevermind what happened to all the supporting steel core columns...!!!) And the energy requirements to do anything even remotely like that rival the total amount of potential energy that the entire tower had to give. (source) So while gravity is nearly strong enough to cause some things to fall that far, through air, in the observed interval, and while gravity is probably not strong enough to have so thoroughly disintegrated the towers under their own weight, gravity is certainly not strong enough to have done both at once.
Source: http://911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.shtml
Thank you for displaying your complete stupidity.
The lower floors offer resistance exactly as long as their load bearing capability is not severly exceeded. Then they disintegrate into pieces, by failing at their weakest points. As these are the connecting bolts snapping, this takes close to no time if the overload is big enough. Afterwards that floor offers no further resistance, repeat onto the next downwards.
The lower floors offer resistance exactly as long as their load bearing capability is not severly exceeded. Then they disintegrate into pieces, by failing at their weakest points.
Negative, moron, you aren't describing the collapse, as the report described it, and as <i>Money 4 Nothing</i> cogently and lucidly described it from the 9/11 Commission report!
It was a steady state collapse within that 10-second timeframe!
There was ZERO, I repeat, ZERO, indication of any compound resistance at either tower, nor at Building 7.
There should have been some type of stutter, than increased speed --- ain't you never seen any buildings collapse before, sonny????
You can't do physics, you can't do structural engineering, and you certainly can't do arithmetic, sonny!
Of course, I have come in contact with poorly educated structural engineers in the past, sad to say, as it is a most honorable profession. One time, when helping a buddy at the city engineer's office, this "engineer" was flummuxed as my bud was using the best possible join conceivable (as far as a market purchase goes), a spherical metal join. The city guy was stupified at seeing anything out of the ordinary, but then, ordinary people are easily confused!
Ever seen a video of a tank drive over a car? How much stutter is there, when the car crumbles together?
Being a black belt myself, I'll tell you the secret of getting through that 6th board: make sure the mass of your hand grows as it passes through each board, kind of like the additonal mass of each collapsing floor in a 110-story tower. That way you juice the "mass" part of the force calculation.
Agreed, I tried to use that Karate chop annalogy moving through 5 pieces of wood to make an example of how a force runs out of energy while passing through each layer of resistance. Using my fist as a reference as an applied calculated known force upon an object-s. It was only an example, I don't know how to explain it any simpler terms.
Thanks for the advise. I prefer ash axe handles though.
If mass continues to grow, while resistance remains constant, force wins.
I notice my little physics lesson got junked. Those offended by it please take it up with www.aeUniversetruth.org.
look at the pictures. the fires are almost out soon after the crashes and well before the collapse. in one there is a woman standing in the entry hole left by the first airplane. almost all the fuel was ejected from the second building. firemen reaching the afflicted floors(i have foregotten which building) reported on their radios that the fire was minimal.
the construction of the building may have left the cantilevered floors vulnerable if it did collapse on their own but the massive center support should have been standing as the foundation structure was built to support the entire building and, as the building fell away, the upper support would actually be relieved of weight. in other words, the only way the center support could have collapsed is if it were severed at strategic points as pictures taken in the aftermath suggested.
Then you really have to admire the foresight of the people who planted the explosives that severed the central supports, to have managed to plant them exactly at the floors that would have been damaged by the planes' impacts. That takes planning.
BTW, I was unaware that any firemen managed to climb the stairwells all the way to the impact points beforre the collapses. South was hit at floors 77-85 and North at 93-99. If you have a link, I'd appreciate seeing it.
Here you go...the links.
Listen and learn.
Fire fighters were there and only requested two lines to knock it down.
http://www.newsfocus.org/911_guide.htm
The WTC fires were small and isolated and did not consume the buildings from top to bottom. They were reported as isolated and capable of being put out with only one or two hoses.
The FDNY dispatch tapes were classified after 9/11 to hide firefighter accounts of no top to bottom burning in the WTC towers. The tapes prove there was no widespread top to bottom burning of either building.
at the risk of repeating myself, the firemen are some of the most powerfull witnesses. Remember also our government fought like hell to keep interviews, recordings, transmissions and other data coming out of those fire departments for years. When released, you could see why...lots of explosions where and when they shouldn't be, reaching the impact floor and seeing little structural damage, being warned to clear building 7 etc etc etc
There were ALSO reports that there were boxes of "computer equipment" in the rooms where at least one of the planes hit. The boxes had been recently delivered and were unopened so no one actually verified what was in the boxes. Odd coincidence that these boxes would be in the exact room where the plane hit ... unless the plane was guided to that exact spot.
Better late than never.
This issue needs to be kept alive and not allowed to be swept under the rug. Our future as something even vaguely resembling a Republic is at stake.
Quoting adolf hitler? Really? Your context makes it sound like you admire him.
Breitbart was a clown. And someone with very little credibility. Let's not forget his campaigns to film certain groups or people he didn't like in forged "compromising" situations. He got a karma payback, that's what can make a 43y/o seemingly healthy man to drop dead.
Jesus, what an asshole you are. FOAD. That would be Karmic, too.
watch these two videos of breitbart -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Z8ha2DdjA
3:50
asked about the NDAA, says he doesnt want to do a ron paul style interview (?) haha
drunk and/or on cocaine screaming at OWS to "stop raping people" and calls them "murderous freaks" (?) haha:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4od4QQVK1o
He was just another shrill mouthpiece of the neocons...all you have to do is look at the likes of those praising him upon his death.
Weekly Standard a prime example:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/andrew-breit-bart-1969-2012_63313...
Red diaper 'conservatism'
Home port rag of Bill Kristol...nothing else needs be said.
Victor Laszlo: Welcome back to the fight Michael. This time I *know* our side will win.
www.inforwars.com
Damn sure is our BIG LIE! I always thought it interesting that Bush goes to SA and holds hands with the head scum, and BO goes there and bows to whoever that scum is. They're both puppets, but Bush's ties go back way further than BO's. BO is the ultimate puppet. They have so much shit hanging over his head he will do ANYTHING they tell him to.
PS - Breitbart was bumped off.
Coincidently, NDAA went live on March 1-2012. Too co-inky-dinkey for me. Justifiable homicide (assasination) ordered by the President of the United States? Perfectly legal under NDAA, he was becoming a National Security risk.
Media should have some interesting theories comming out of this one.
Checkout the dual citizens and foreigner in our state department. Where did Henry Kissinger come from? Madeline Albright, Zbigniew Brzezinski and others?
We've got more chinese and jewish expatriots in the state department than McCarthy could ever had imagined, and perhaps a non-citizen as a sitting president!
jmo
Blech, wrong reply.
When the BCCI investigation reached closer to President Geo. H.W. Bush's White House back in the late '80s, early '90s, Bush appointed Robert Mueller III to be the chief of the DOJ's Criminal Division to manage the BCCI probe --- or more accurately, to deflect it away from the Bush administration and narrow the scope of the investigation.
Four days prior to 9/11/01, President Geo. W. Bush appoints Robert Mueller III to be director of the FBI -- perfect timing and what a pedigree Mueller possesses.*
One day prior to 9/11/01, the Pentagon's comptroller announces that $2.3 trillion cannot be accounted for.**
Six to seven hours prior to the events of that 9/11 morning, sometime between 2:00 AM and 3:00 AM (EST) a group email is transmitted to the DIA's financial management staff to attend an emergency meeting that very morning at their Pentagon offices --- located at the Pentagon's west wall. One staff member will fortuitously oversleep, viewing the email late and consequently arrive late -- just in time to view from afar the plane crashing into the super-reinforced west wall, severely injuring or killing almost the entire financial management group of the DIA, and those computer systems involved with discovering said missing funds; apparently data backups aren't the order of the day?
That very same morning on 9/11/01, the National Reconnaissance Office's (NRO) ops center would be evacuated due to an exercise simulating an attack by suicide aircraft flying into that facility. (Sound vaguely familiar?) Therefore, no one was on hand to manually task their recon satellites on the airspace above NYC and the Pentagon.
Thanks to further expansion of the Web over the Internet (2003 - 2005), cached pages of dramatically increased data transmission and EFTs, originating from three firms residing in the two WTC towers to offshore locations, could be accessed.
Shortly after 9/2001, in early 2002, an explosive growth occurs in offshore hedge funds.
Background research on those unfortunate passengers aboard the involved airliners (victims who were certain to die that day) indicated that some of the pax fall into three unique groups, along with three unique individuals aboard.
The three groups: (1) developers of remote piloting hardware and software; (2) individuals involved in the creation of a terrorist scenario remarkably similar to that which occurred on 9/11/01 (among that group of victims was an Israeli counterterrorist expert and one of the airliners' pilots, a former career Naval officer); and, (3) some of the individuals involved with the investigation into Flight 800's demise.
The three individuals: (1) wife number three of the solicitor general, who would quickly move on to wife number four once the insurance settlement came through (death by opportunity?); (2) a lady attorney, rumored to be involved with a senior married partner of the conservative and politically-connected law firm which successfully defended Fox News on several cases of fictionalizing the news (death by opportunity?); and, (3) a physicist with the Naval Surface Warfare Center's Directed Energy Section.
[We are not suggesting any of these victims were aware of the events to transpire on 9/11 --- this appears to be a highly compartmentalized operation.]
Intensive pattern analysis, link analysis, and link and group analysis indicates the five principal players involved: the Blackstone Group, Veritas Capital, AIG, the office of the VP, and the office of the SecDef.
Some time prior to 9/11/01, a financial news announcement would explain an investment by AIG in the Blackstone Group (source document of transaction, along with hard copy source documents of thousands of ongoing SEC investigations resided in the destroyed WTC Building 7 – no source docs, case closed!). The amount of AIG’s investment was approximately the final insurance payout amount to the property management/RE firm for the WTC destruction (classic paper money false transfer and money laundering scheme, relatively simple --- for a far more circuitous, and commonplace, accounting scheme, please see Retirement Heist, by Ellen Schultz, p. 209 on “leveraged ESOPs”).
The mortgage owner of record for WTC Building 7: the Blackstone Group.
The firm awarded the $1 billion captive insurance fund management contract by Bush’s FEMA, for settlement with WTC victims’ families: the Blackstone Group.
The firm which negotiated the largest and quickest real estate deal in NYC history, the WTC lease transfer from the Port Authority of NY and NJ to Silverstein Properties and Westfield America, Inc.: the Blackstone Group.
During the week prior to 9/11/01, the fiber optic installation firm, EurekaGGN, installed dark fiber in the top floors of the two WTC towers (they had the contract for cabling the entire WTC), utilizing a method to pump the fiber optical cables through existing HVAC vents running beneath each floor.
[To reiterate: the west wall of the Pentagon had been reinforced, according to Structure Magazine, which also posed the question as to why only one wall and a plane crashes into it. Fiber optic is being installed, but never verified as to being operational, in the WTC towers, and planes crash into them --- access, access, access!]
Technical details not widely known: two of the four airliners involved didn’t appear on the FAA Flight Registry which logs all commercial flights, per standard procedure, as they were reserved as DoD Special Charters, meaning that each plane must seat those reserved for DoD personnel, and must depart at the schedule time, but any remaining seats may be filled commercially.
Aircraft pointedly flew to shadow zones – where radar coverage was obscured due to topography and ATCC limitations – where the transponders were then powered down – normally, they would have triggered ATCC radar indicators. (Highly doubtful those Saudi Arabian hijacker cutouts would have known these recondite details?); and recovered black box data, obtained through FOIA requests, give no indication of any hijacking taking place (and yes, there does exist a governmental database of black box hijacking data for comparison purposes).
There were over 1,000 other “coincidences” which took place that morning, all tracking back to the five principal players.
Recap: $2.3 trillion announced unaccounted, and DIA’s financial management group is almost entirely wiped out, along with involved computer systems, dramatically increased data transmissions and EFTs out of WTC towers in preceding 12 hours, and people and computer systems involved are killed and destroyed, with explosive growth in offshore hedge funds occurring shortly thereafter.
Veritas Capital, owner of Raytheon subsidiary which employed those remote piloting hardware and software developers and subcontractors aboard some of those airliners involved in 9/11, and Veritas Capital makes some incredibly prescient defense industry investments shortly prior to 9/11/01.
Increasing the awareness of evil….
*Robert Mueller III, FBI director, is the grandnephew of Richard Bissell, one of the three top CIA types who President Kennedy fired. Mueller’s wife is the granddaughter of Charles Cabell, another of those three CIA people JFK had fired (the third was Allen Dulles, who would later manage the Warren Commission!
**From 1988, to 2001, there was another several trillions missing from all government agencies total (so approximately $4 trillion went missing).
Change a few names to protect the innocent and you got a real Tom Clancy page-turner there.
I've never read any Tom Clancy novels -- I once read the back of a book of his and it struck me as neocon idiotic drivel!
I rarely read fiction, mostly government reports, global banking stuff (everything out of the IMF, World Bank, BIS, the Fed, etc.), and endless financial data.
I would recommend you, and every real American citizen, read the Financial Crisis Inquiry Report, though. (I thought my knowledge was pretty comprehensive on the meltdown, but I learned some great stuff from that report --- really, really important stuff, too!)
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fcic/fcic.pdf
On the fiction front, I would recommend only several authors: Iain Banks' The Player of Games, the penultimate SF classic -- and all his other stuff is great as well!
Also, Thomas Perry's Metzger's Dog, is thoroughly enjoyable.
Not really all that much out there, although I heard Nomi Prins' latest fictional book is pretty good, Black Tuesday (but I've not read it yet).
But do stay away from that simple minded stuff, based upon neocon and exceptionalist mythology, like Clancy.
Thanks!
+100
...great post Sgt Doom. + Perfect
Yup - it musta bin dem goddam A-Rabs! Sh!t we even have the trrr''ist passports that floated down right thru the vaporised "built-dings" to "proof" it!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Ain't nothin' quite so dumb - as they say in Europe, and as P.T.Barnum would attest - as a Dumb Yank!
Sadly looks like 9/11 has all the earmarks of another Pearl Harbor in which Roosevelt deliberately baited the Japanese, by embargoing their oil, into bombing Pearl Harbor. That happy action finally enabled Congress to declare war on Germany/Japan over the objections of the American people. The Saudis for their part apparently forwarded intelligence of Al Quida's plans to Bush who used the info to pull another Roosevelt with 9/11 enabling the US to effectively declare war on our "enemies" in the Middle East. Disgusting.
The only thing new in the world is history you don't know
Truman
I´m not so sure that it was a great idea to publish this article (especially one paragraph).
Breitbart dropping dead at a point before anything he might have exposed could have significant impact on the election should strike many of us as being a little too convenient. Ignoring that, he made a lot of powerful enemies. Ignoring that, he seemed a bit edgy and hyper and maybe he just wore his body out ... surprised we all don't drop dead from that.
i say drink up and toke up this weekend, as it is going to be crazy!
OK people, this is the 911 truth hornets' nest. We all know that the MSM lied and the US gov't performed a bogus investigation. We also all know that WTC 7 was not hit by the magic plane. There are a few people here who tow the govt line on this, but that is because they are either doing their job to spread disinformation or because they are mentally crippled.
Lets take it easy, if the truth comes out, it is going to be some type of trigger pulled by the NWO top banksters and leaches, so we need to be very thoughtful rather than being lead blind as most of us were when this sabotage first happened.
If the truth comes out, it will be to mass manipulate us to some end - BEWARE (please)
Yes ... we need to ask the questions "why" and "what are the implications". Tearing down our house because it has a couple of cockroaches is not the answer.
Oldie, but a goodie:
http://www.public-action.com/911/bumble.html
Excellent information, from what I know and just read, very accurate.
Thanks!
If Saudi Arabia qualifies for immunity, then why not Syria? Oh, I forgot, never mind......that oil thingy again......
Posts that polarize ZH commeters are my favorite because they pick at uncomfortable truths.
It's weird, though, that on a site so finance-focused that no one has mentioned the to-this-day-uninvestigated shorts on American and United Airlines in the days immediately preceding this epochal event.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
Nor do I recall seeing a comment re Cantor Fiitzgerald, a high-class renter in Bldg 7, and its alleged trove of "sensitive" Enron documents.
Did I miss a memo?
There's so many lies & misdirections it's hard to keep track.
Things are coming together quickly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9vEJycKnXA < very interesting...
http://www.prophecyofthepopes.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXrV9mBM7Pk&feature=channel_video_title
9/11 was an Israeli/American job, done to justify a permanent American military presence in the M.E, which they hoped would guarantee Israeli security and protect the flow of oil.
It turned out to be a mistake, based on cost and diminishing marginal returns on complexity. All the oil and dollars protected by the military is burned in the helicopters and tanks and planes anyway! And it made the world hate us even more. And the idiots who initiated this never anticipated the collapse of the American domestic economy and mass awakening due to information spread on the internet.
...it's deeper than what you think, and it was not a mistake. Everyone is getting played. What is going on is prophetic and the efforts of the evil players are many. The gathering together of the contempt of the Nations is for a human sacrifice, this is the new world order out of the chaos the insiders created. Like you said, 911 placed the force in the Middle East for the next move. The coming events are in order, so that fear should overcome the heart and mind of the people, then they will accept or reject the seal of the prophetic false peace and global mark of the beast system the evil scumbags will put forth as a result of what they have set in place. The market beast is already here in the numbers, causing all to suffer the tax of inflation and debt. The coming moves will lead to the call for peace among the nations and Israel, which shall be broken. Watch. Things should begin to happen real quick this year and 2013 will be crazy. It will be real interesting on Monday, when Bibi comes to meet with Rosemary's Baby. The way it looks like it has been billed the ''OK'' from Rosemary's Baby means the Iran attack should be coming real quick. If the insiders do not pull off another 911 event before the attack on Iran Russian will not have an excuse to hold fast. I just can't see there not being a WMD type event not happening like 911 again to get the people to do what they did after 911, blindly go along with Team Chairsatan and the 911 Jets, with Rosemary's Baby, the Suiside Vampire Squid of the Great Wal Mart of China and the U.N.NWO Club of Rome Muslim Israeli conflict over Jerusalem.
Take your pick. There's lots of ways for the spooks to "off" the SOB.
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NSAIDs, including selective cyclo-oxygenase (COX)-2 inhibitors, are included as a result of their ability to cause heart disease, particularly in patients with an already existing cardiorenal dysfunction. Two drug groups are of particular concern.
Anthracyclines and their derivatives may cause cardiomyopathy in a disturbingly high number of exposed individuals, who may develop symptoms of insidious onset several years after drug therapy. The risk seems to encompass all exposed individuals, but data suggest that children are particularly vulnerable. Thus, a high degree of awareness towards this particular problem is warranted in cancer survivors subjected to anthracycline-based chemotherapy. A second group of problematic drugs are the NSAIDs, including the selective COX-2 inhibitors. These drugs may cause renal dysfunction and elevated blood pressure, which in turn may precipitate heart failure in vulnerable individuals. Although NSAID-related cardiotoxicity is relatively rare and most commonly seen in elderly individuals with concomitant disease, the widespread long-term use of these drugs in risk groups is potentially hazardous.
All the drugs you list would be reasonably easy to detect in the system postmortem. And running toxicology is SOP. And running a more extensive toxicology would be probably warranted if there were any suspicion.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/architecture/4278874
Glad there are about a zillion replies to this post so that this one will get lost in the morass of people debating the most simple and obvious facts. However, I am thinking that people may be debating the wrong question. Just FYI, after reading articles and watching videos over several years, the only logical conclusion for me is that 911 was an inside job (I mean really! they/the BBC, announced that building 7 was already down while showing it in the background for heaven sake ... c'mon that is a detail they should not have missed)... but not specifically by an official government, country or people, but by an organization that transcends these.
To be a full-fledged conspiracy theorist one most likely subscribes to the belief that: a) this is all part of a longer-term plan b) the banks, MSM, religeous institutions, governments and large corporations are all tied together at some point ... but not all people, even in high positions are part of it c) for a mainstream media outlet to release something implicating the Saudis, it must be needed for the larger plan.
Recall that the Saudi Royal family was provided "protection" in exchange for oil and the trading of oil in US dollars. It makes absolutely no sense that the Saudis would do anything to jeopardize their status or that the US government would go back on the deal unless it was either time to stab the Saudis in the back (as part of the larger plan) or there was a more immediate reason (such as they are not sure that Syrian air space will be open in time for the Iran attack and the Israelis may need to fly over Saudi Arabia). It may be possible that one or two Senators did not get the memo, but not the MSM.... never. (one can also make guesses at what would happen in the US if the Saudis were implicated and it was tied back to people in the US government... it would have to be part of "the plan")
However, there is a full explanation that is so fantastic that no one in their right mind would believe it. It makes ALL of the pieces fall together, but one has to believe is something the world has been taught to disbelieve. It was foretold back around 900AD that for 1000 years satan used the UK as his seat of power. Then for 83 years he would use the US and now since 2001 he has been using Israel as his seat of power ... and will continue for roughly another 10 to 12 years and then until he is defeated. 911 then would then have been a massive satanic ritual and blood sacrifice with the two towers framing the gate as they have going back to King Solomon's temple and probably loooooonnngg before. What was the significance? I don't know.
It would then follow that the ancient descriptions of our universe, with multiple planes of existance are true and that the power elitists have been using magic/demonology to call upon alternate planar forces to enhance their power and position. They would then all be linked through their satanic religeon ... something that they must keep secret from the world until they are fully ready. I cannot quite believe this, yet there is both empiricle evidence of satanic symbology throughout the entire world and evidence that certain eltitists subscribe to satanic worship. (Has anyone ever read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and noticed who he dedicated the book to?)
Have a nice day.
You only have to peruse the Talmud to see that Jews are the right hand of Evil!
Do prophesies really foretell, or do certain powers attempt to carry out actions that appear to fit in with old prophesies?
For example, did the Mayans really predict "the end of the world" in 2012 (rather than simply ending their "current" calendar there), or are certain people desperately trying to engineer events to occur in 2012 such that the gullible masses will believe that "the Mayans were right ... it was inevitable ... we are powerless to stop it!"?
I believe that the powers that be use some hyped prophecy to furthr their aims. If nothing else, they are a distraction that create fear in some. My guess is that 2012 is one such misdirection.
However, they seem to want to keep their satan worship quiet (and yet discoverable for those who look) ... and throughout history many ancient libraries and depositories of knowledge have been sacked or destroyed, leaving us only very limitied connection to ancient knowledge. Where did this knowledge go?
And it is common knowledge that the Bible that we use today has both been translated and altered by the powers that be. The Talmud was written long after the Torah. It is hard to conceive of it as a work of the creator.
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought for a minute there that you actually believed that "satanists" have "magic powers" ... such powerful magic that, in 4,000 years of trying, they have failed to successfully gain power over the uninitiated (though, I admit, there have been some brief periods where they have seemed to hold all the cards -- including the present).
>> And it is common knowledge that the Bible that we use today has both been translated and altered by the powers that be. <<
"Common knowledge?" Of course it its translated, else the common folk could not read it, and some of these translations have been made to suit ideology (this is true), but now we have many different scholarly translations from many different viewpoints to compare. More importantly, though, what sort of alterations are you speaking of? There are of course changes introduced into the text by mistakes of scribes, etc. and occasionally what may or may not be wholesale additions (the "long ending" of Mark, the reference to the Trinity in I John, etc.)
However the text of the Bible was remarkably settled well before the introduction of the printing press. Not perfectly settled, and yes, there are thousands of differences, but that number is very deceptive, thousands of differences in the main being spelling and transcription errors. In the tens of thousands of variant readings in the Bible that result, there are almost no significant differences, and almost no important doctrines, if any doctrines at all, are imperiled by them.
And this is going back thousands of years. We have very old evidence for much of the New Testament in the original Gk, and we have evidence for the OT in the Septuagint (LXX) (Gk translation), roughly contemporary, which does have the occasional difference from the Hb, mostly translation errors, mostly surrounding wrong interpretations of the vowels (left out in Hebrew), but really, again, mostly it adds it up. For a time the Jewish authorities preferred the LXX to the Masoretic text (recieved Hebrew version) but when the LXX became associated with Christianity, the Jews reverted to the Masoretic text in prefernce and abandoned the LXX. Most Old Testament translations to English today are based on the MT with alternate readings from the LXX; New Testament translations are based on various reconstructions of the Greek text but almost all agree on the important points.
If there was some conspiracy to alter the Biblical texts, it would have to be impossibly massive in scope impossibly long ago, changing various geographically disparate texts which were maintained by members of different ethnic, religious, and political groups. It's just not plausible. What we see in the Biblical texts today is what one might expect from a text that is handed down through the generations for millenia, but a text which it's handlers took very seriously and respected, and if anything, it is better preserved than we might think.
>> The Talmud was written long after the Torah. It is hard to conceive of it as a work of the creator. <<
Agree entirely.
The Bible(Torah/Talmud and Koran as well) is a directive script(s) and playbook(s) for some crazy motherfuckers that are true believers. Even those who think those works may be fiction or partially fiction(after the ongoing editing) will be affected by the actions of those previously mentioned.
Good luck.
>> It was foretold back around 900AD that for 1000 years satan used the UK as his seat of power. <<
Source?
http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/daily-update-march-1-2012/
i'll never forget the thousands of iranian's marching in tehran in
solidarity with us on 9/12, 9/13. talk about a lost opporotunity.
as for you guys- red and green arrows suggest your hearts are in the
right place but i am really suprised how uninformed on truther facts Z.H'rs
are. i know its a little 'rabitt-hole-y', but there is a lot of good info out
there..... do you know how many fbi agents were taken off subrime
fraud investigations on 9/12?
I'll just speak for myself here
and say that in over two years of reading ZH, the topic of "911" comes up almost monthly, and while it's an important litmus test on rational, intelligent thinking, not everyone who posts here wants to continue reading / posting the same links, same arguments, etc.
I understand the importance of getting more people on the same page, but some of us are on a subsequent chapter now. . .
I was a med student at Robert Wood Johnsen in New Brunswick NJ. I drove home that day and almost assaulted the gas staion attendent because he had a rag on his head. There were 1000's of folks lined up with flags on the exits of the NJ Parkway exits. Trumpets, Harley's, flags and all. It was a sight to see.
Then I learned the truth. Something has to be done. I hope to God our military stand beside the people when they make their move.
the military is mostly composed of volunteers who are paid to see "ragheads" and respond with hatred, violence.
until I see evidence of a mass awakening "there" I'll continue to be wary of uni-formed gun-toters.
How was the article and comments?
Long.
What was it about?
9-11. Good versus evil. Anarchy, anti-intellectualism, bigotry, chaos, delusion, devolution. Lies. It was mostly about lies.
Do you have a personal opinion about 9-11?
Yes. War is usually accompanied by fog. Fog masks truth. As large and traumatic as 9-11 was for our nation, whether it was perpetrated by the Arabs, Americans, or somebody else, doesn't change the basic fact that 9-11 is simply one of many acts of constant bloodshed, usually shed somewhere else, in the long, ongoing war to sustain a global financial and political system at gunpoint by a relatively small number of morally reprehensible people for their own benefit at the expense of many others well-being. You know, I could go on...but that's it in a long sentence.
Surely, you're not talking about American leaders and the American way of life are you?
Noooooo. /sarc off. I rarely say it out loud but I really believe that a majority of American are actually proud of being the biggest bully on the block. Every once in a while, a special somebody like Ron Paul will come along and tell it like it is, but they don't gain any traction because, well, a majority of Americans are actually quite pleased that we're the biggest bully on the block, and they vote against the good people who want us to change our belligerent ways.
Like it? Dislike?
Well, yes, definitely. It's important that we protect and employ freedom of speech, including my right to speak, too. Collectively, civil public discourse can lead to knowledge, wisdom, community, and power.
What was your favorite act?
Oh, I think I'll go with the one about Osama bin Laden being killed in December of 2001. That was a real eye-opener. Really enhanced the credibility of the conspiracy theorists.
So, what are you gonna do about it?
Besides commenting here, I've been doing something concrete about it for a long time. My head hurts from beating it against that brick wall, but if you're going to do something about it, there's gonna be some headaches and a lot of red arrows.
Like people don't know that already?
Yes, well, like anybody who thinks they're going to clear the fog in this conversation is pretty whacked, but, ooo, ouch, you outed me real good there. I know that I know nothing and that everybody else knows everything. On a long enough timeline, everyone can play engineer or intelligence agent or be their own god, sometimes all three in the same day! Unfortunately, I'm not wearing any those hats today.
So, what hat are you wearing?
No hat. I'm bluebareheaded.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Note to self: Stop talking to yourself.
Jesus Christ what a stupid c*** this guy is. The saudis should get bombed either way
www.bible-codes.org
9-11-01 WORLD TRADE CENTER collapse
9-11-08 WORLD TRADE collapse
Jesus Christ did 9-11........BOTH of them
the DJIA fell 777.7 points on 9-29-2008,,,JEWISH NEW YEARS DAY
on 9-11-1994,,,,a small plane kamikazee-attacked the WHITE HOUSE,,,7 years before 9-11 disaster,,,,,which was a foreshadow of 9-11-01
Jesus knows and controls the future
google JOHN MCTERNAN'S INSIGHTS (blog)
and DEAN COOMBS
The alleged "Bible Codes" I'm pretty convinced are not legit. Google " equidistant letter sequences in Moby Dick" and think about probabilities for a while.
But let's just move on...ok bitchez?
No I won't move on...and fuck you for expecting me to do so. ................ The Lies and Crimes of 9/11The report from America’s Commander-In-Chief that bin Laden had been executed by US Navy Seals added a new layer of deception to an extravagant complex of misrepresentations, distortions and subterfuge. The failure of officialdom to investigate credibly the crimes of September 11, 2001, together with the extraordinary extent and tenacity of the media cover-up, has, for many of us, made 9/11 synonymous with the view that fraud, complicity and worse—much worse-- runs rampant at the highest levels of power. For a huge and rapidly growing global constituency the continuing 9/11 cover-up has become a striking symbol of the culture of impunity, one that protects those directing the most terrible crimes against humanity, the most terrible crimes against all life on earth.
As was obvious to millions both inside and outside our movement aimed at investigating and exposing the lies and crimes of 9/11, too many question marks hung over Obama’s claim to have eliminated Osama, or whoever it was that had been targeted for extrajudicial assassination. Why, for instance, did US forces decide to eliminate all proof of their soldier’s claimed kill by supposedly burying America’s most hyped uber-terrorist at sea before releasing news of his supposed execution?
Obama’s speech introduced yet another twist into the convoluted mess of tall tales forming the basis of the US government’s 9/11 legend. The main weaves of this religious myth were spun by the former US president in Washington D.C. well before the asbestos-laden dust from the three pulverized World Trade Centre buildings in New York had fully settled. In a sermon from the pulpit of a Washington Church delivered only three days after the debacle, George W. Bush declared war on al-Qaeda.“ Our responsibility to history is already clear,” Bush preached. The US Armed Forces would “answer these attacks and rid the world of evil.”[iv]
In the echo chambers of media manipulation, the intense religious fervor booming through the 9/11 fable gave the drumbeats of war unusual ferocity. Within days and weeks of September 11, 2001 an elaborate complex of pre-prepared initiatives was moved from the wings to the central stage of public life. This process took place not only in the USA but in many countries throughout the world. Suddenly any resistance to the rise of the global police state together with the accelerated build up and deployment of the world’s preeminent war machine could be interpreted as criminal complicity. “Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists,” decreed George Bush revising a mantra brought forward from the rabid anti-communism of the Cold War.[v]
In the flash of a few news cycles all obstacles were cleared away to new surges of public funds into the permanent war economy—into the military Keynesianism that has been at the heart of the US political economy ever since the United States finally entered the Second World War in 1941. With the production of a new global enemy the foundering military-industrial complex was given a new lease in its commercial life, a parasitical life based ultimately on the merchandizing of death.
The bloated and outmoded Cold-War apparatus, whose very purpose became unclear after the Soviet Union’s demise, was saved from obsolescence. The threat of global peace had been averted. The bipartisan war party returned to the roots of a centuries-long process of shaping the American nation and expanding the American empire in the name of defeating savage infidels cast as enemies of Judeo-Christian civilization.
With the advent of 9/11, old Cold Warriors like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were restored to high authority. They, along with many of their fellow PNAC lobbyists, were handed refurbished levers of neocolonial empire.[vi] After 9/11 the Bush War Cabinet dispensed greatly enlarged pools of federal patronage in overseeing what I refer to in Earth into Property as “the privatized terror economy.” After 9/11 Benjamin Netanyahu saw his plans go into action. Netanyahu is the current Prime Minister of Israel who began in the late 1970s to envisage, articulate, and promote what he described as an international war on terrorism. His wish came true. After 9/11 Israel’s enemies were transformed into the enemies of the so-called “West.” [vii]
The war machine’s spin doctors and media hucksters went into action to prepare public opinion for an invasion of Afghanistan and then Iraq. The incendiary rhetoric sponsored by war profiteers fanned the flames of Islamophobia so citizens would accept the onslaught of mass slaughter and illegal torture to come. A whole empire of communications sprung up to wage the psychological blitzkrieg of the 9/11 Wars. This style of police-state journalism-- shock and awe journalism-- has become a daily staple, the pablum of war propaganda regularly fed on TV to children and their infantilized parents.
This psychological recipe for war was brought to its most sick extremes in Rupert Murdoch’s media network. The pattern of police-state deception, however, goes far beyond Fox and News of the World. The war machine’s drive for full spectrum dominance cuts across the whole range of our most important instruments of mass communications. It includes many venues of alternative media where the controlled opposition to the quest for 9/11 truth has been sometimes very aggressive, very demeaning.
From The BBC, to the New York Times, to Charlie Rose, to Z, to the ridiculous Michael Shermer’s pseudo-skeptical column in the once-estimable Scientific American—indeed, to the daily news and cultural coverage disseminated by my own country’s Crown-owned Canadian Broadcasting Corporation—this war’s blood sacrifice of truth has become horrific.
Like drone strikes or showers of white phosphorous falling from the sky or shooting projectiles packed with depleted uranium, media missiles have been directed most viciously at poisoning Western minds against the Muslim masses especially in the Middle East and Eurasia. With the possible exception of a few individuals, the targeted populations in the Eurasian crossroads of the world had nothing to do with the demolition of the three skyscrapers in New York or the piercing of a small hole in the side of a huge edifice that should have been imperial Washington’s most heavily protected structure.
The captive presidency of the enslaved Barack Obama continued the rule of the axis of violence and fraud linking the Pentagon to Wall Street to Madison Avenue. The continuing reign of this axis of lies, obfuscation and oppression has become increasingly dependent on the emotional force of the 9/11 legend in the mythological matrix of popular culture, popular imagination. Consolidating the drama of the theocrat president who declared war from the pulpit, the fable of 9/11 has been invested with the authority of a national religion, one that props up an increasingly anachronistic and corrupt regime of national security.
The American cult of national security delivers the opposite of what it promises. By putting many of the world’s most ruthless criminals above the law—and George Bush is a perfect example-- the cult of national security denies citizens the protections of domestic security, community security, international security, health security, economic security, social security, and ecological security.
The American cult of national security subordinates the rule of law to the rule of force. From the abundant openings to exploit the gathering of “intelligence” for insider trading on stock markets, to the funding of covert operations regularly financed with drug money, to the profits derived from nuclear proliferation, the corruption bred of the US president’s license to steal is the primary hallmark of the American cult of national security.
At West Point on December 1, 2009, President Obama pledged allegiance to all the Bushite fables embedded in the national religion of 9/11. “On September 11, 2001,” declared President Obama, “19 men hijacked four airplanes and used them to murder nearly 3,000 people. They struck at our military and economic nerve centers. They took the lives of innocent men, women, and children without regard to their faith or race or station… As we know these men belonged to al-Qaeda…. Al-Qaeda’s base was in Afghanistan, where they were harbored by the Taliban—a ruthless, repressive and radical movement that seized control of that country after it was ravaged by years of Soviet occupation and civil war, and after the attention of America and our friends had turned elsewhere. Just days after 9/11 Congress authorized the use of force against al-Qaeda and those that harbor them—an authorization that continues until this day.” [viii]
excerpt from:
When War is Promoted as a Remedy for Terror: Reflections on the Tenth Anniversary Of 9/11[i]http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september072011/911-facts-ah.php
I happened to see Obama's address live the night the night he gave it. One thing has bothered to this day about the announcement. It happened between 11 and 11:30 at night. He wasn't even through with it when they showed a huge crowd of college-age people celebrating outside the White House. And these young people were waving big US flags. This was supposedly a spontaneous demonstration. Then, it was over and immediately there is a huge demonstration in NYC of college-age people, waving big flags. There is no way that happened spontaneously. I don't know anyone who owns a flag, let alone a very large flag. And most of the college-age people I know were barely aware that we were even at war then. But these same people absolutely believe every bit of the propaganda that is spewing out every day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5XVAugy_3I
big false flags.
well spotted.
I was watching it live too, and maybe 45 minutes before they had said he was going to give an important announcement about National Security. Some of us thought it might be something of the opposite nature. Someone leaked the truth of the announcement on twitter maybe 15 minutes before he started speaking but it was all very unclear. So the "spontaneous" demonstrations also struck me as very odd.
Policitcally active liberal College age kids if nothing else were big fans of putting a Magic Negro in the oval office. And indeed my first thoughts were, "This is bullshit, OBL has been dead for years" and "Obama just got himself another term"
http://www.youtube.co/watch?v=_CLqSQ3DFK0
When confronted with the potential of Saudi involvement, this little weasel Steven Rattner (remember he was Obama’s car czar) comes out and states “I think it may fall a little bit into the category of things you just kind of don’t want to know.” Excuse me Rattner?
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/12/30/rattner-settles-with-cuomo/ http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/10/15/what-it-means-to-manage-the-mayor...
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/10/15/what-it-means-to-manage-the-mayor...
I have this image of a Banzi with Bloomberg as the organ grinder
Jezzzus Christ. Don't you people realize that something that heavy (WTC) could not be kept a secret for a fucking week let alone all this time. Those clowns on Morning Joe will say anything to get and email or a tweet to show their bosses they have an audience. I know more than they do. And, oh yeah, "Obama gets rid of a winger commentator"... what's the matter, the birth certificate deal not going your way?
The tin foil hat squad is on a roll..
Yo Mike!
You asked for an explanation as to how Building 7 collapsed even when it was not hit by a plane.
The answer's given in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SmurfTurf666#p/u/12/e1cjLHaR1DQ
As for how WTC 1 & 2 collapsed, watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx3kIQVmrYA
Enjoy:)
There are 26 parts to the interview.
Watch the lot.
what f... BS, what a distraction from the truth...
you do not need nukes to demolish a building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5wkyEDIxTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh7pOrRr_3o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_vwzjdTi4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o
ZERO: An investigation into 9/11
ITALIAN produced documentary with nobel prize winner Dario Fo and Gore Vidal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XRMrMdn0NQ
Best one I've seen so far.
Also check out some really really good in depth research making some explosive connections ... by yt user 'alienscientist' (a physicist)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LDdRVthqQU
Well this thread certainly did a good job of revealing all the Jew haters and so-called conspiracy theorists. Ever wonder if ZH itself might be NSA/CIA backed?
What about all those couch potatoes who love American Idol, watch TV all day long, and are too stupid to care about their loss of civil liberties? Hey, maybe they are not as stupid as people who post to ZH and are now being scrutinized by the NSA. After all, if this is truly a fascist state like East Germany during the Stasi era, who in his right mind would dare to speak their mind? Maybe your average couch potato instinctively knows the score, whereas those who "trust" ZH do not.
I say these things not to provoke and I have the utmost provisional respect for Tyler and all the honest and courageous contributers to this site. However, push comes to shove, who can you trust? How many convoluted levels of deception are there? Like an old Twilight Zone episode in which a man finds himself in heaven where he keeps winning every bet and pool match, and ends up saying,"This is getting boring--I want to go to the other place!" To which his guardian angel announces, "Buddy, this is the other place!"
Maybe they'll shut down ZH just to make us think it is not their baby.
If I was runnign the NSA (or those behind it) and into the "power thing", it would make ultimate sense to control all sides of the argument and to direct the opposition in the way that I saw fit (be it ZH, Occupy, Alex Jones, Ron Paul ...whomever). As for jew bashing?!? I did not see a lot of that, although some people are more sensitive to certain words than other. Reading through the posts, I probably saw more Saudi/Arab bashing... and there is a big difference between people who practice the jewish religeon and zionists/satanists.
As someone else noted and I quote; "there are two kinds of people, those who just want to be left alone and those who won't leave them alone". The vast majority fall into the former catagory and should be thought harmless by TPTB, including those who sometimes comment on this board, because failing an FBI sting operation by people who can't seem to leave others alone, the vast majority of people won't do a thing, even when faced with their own worldly demise.
But here is the thing that we are told to forget: The real war is not fought in Iraq, Iran or on the streets of your town. It is fought inside each of us. I like to remember a quote from the Stargate series: "we really only have one choice in life and that choice is whether we are good or whether we are evil" ... and while my precise view of which comes first "evil" or a "service to self" mentality, we should all be able to tell what is good and what is evil by the reflection of our actions on other people. And, while we have all been taught in business school that the hardest decisions are not between right and wrong, but between right and right & wrong and wrong (OK, my personal philosphy is to plan ahead so that I NEVER have to make the decision between wrong and wrong), it is hard to see how good (especially a greater good) can EVER come from evil acts... and that is what our governments have asked us to believe.
ZeroHedge: Two planes took down the buildings. The use of places as flying fuel tanker bombs was very effective. You also make the mistake of thinking of the attackers as "19 cave dwelling Al Qaeda members". They were all very well educated. OBL was an engineer. They were not cavemen. You are correct that the Saudi Arabian government was involved, but it was very wealthy and powerful Princes with government connections that were involved. The attack strategy was not to "emotionally reprogram" you. Actually the Saudi Arabian government was very upset with OBL for waking up the US. Saudi Arabia has been running a stealth jihad against the US and EU since the 1970's oil embargo. Saudi Arabia had comprised nearly all US high education middle eastern studies departments whose graduates now are in the CIA, FBI, US Military, Academia, Hollywood, US Congress, the White House, actually nearly everywhere I look, pushing the “Islam is the religion of peace” theme. Where do you think George Bush got that idea? We were blinded before 911 by these apologists for Islam, and are still blind. Nearly every VIP after US government service is on the Muslim payroll of one or more Islamic dominated countries, mainly Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Azerbaijan, taking Muslim money to push for Muslim interests in the West.
On the economy, on currency, your work is excellent. But on this subject you are nearly blind like the rest of the Western world.
As a European "cosmopolitan" (I thought I was one) I was similarly struck by 911 as any New Yorker. I stood 3 times on the roof of the WTC, I could have been one of the victims.
911 changed my life and for years I never could get rid of a disturbing feeling that the official story told us cannot be the explanation.
Then I stumbled into a video showing the collapse of WTC 7.
I looked at it over and over. This was the trigger.
I could not sleep for almost a whole week. I was researching and researching...
Now I am sure to be close to the truth, however this cost my peace of mind.
Anybody who wants to get close to the truth should look at these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5wkyEDIxTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh7pOrRr_3o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_vwzjdTi4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o
Yes I know this was from a socialist platform and a perspective of someone from the 'left' but in my opinion this Australian born journalist John Pilger provided one of the most accurate portrayals of what the 'new' America and Presidents like Obama really stand for...back in 2009:
Empire Obama and Amerika's last taboohttp://youtu.be/Wi5fFkVyJZU (approx. 33 minutes)
Those people on Scar are real stupid. Another point is they mention that there was no conclusions made in the 9/11 report about Saudi Arabia. So, in other words, all the FACTS were not in, yet the U.S. invaded Afghanistan and then Iraq, and in 10 years we've killed over a MILLION people. An intelligent nation does not destroy nations before all the evidence is in. Even if the evidence was in, how does that give a green light to go kill a million or so (collective punishment), destroy infrastructure, demoralize the populations?
Does anyone remember what FACTS and evidence there was that justified invasions of two sovereign nations? Not opinions, but actual hard facts and evidence...indisputable fact and evidence.
I didn't think so. Because there is NO fact or evidence to support the Official Bush Theory.
I've been looking for 10 years, but have never seen any evidence. NOT even circumstantial.
For those that continue smear those that say it was not done the way they said....Please provide your irrefutable evidence.