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Ron Paul Statement On The Fed's Bailout Of Europe

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From Ron Paul

Statement on the Fed's Continued Euro Bailout

The Fed's latest actions in cooperating with foreign central banks to undertake liquidity swaps of dollars for foreign currencies is another reason why Congress needs enhanced power to oversee and audit the Fed.  Under current law Congress cannot examine these types of agreements.  Those who would argue that auditing the Fed or these agreements with central banks harms the Fed's independence should reevaluate the Fed's supposed independence when the Fed bails out Europe so soon after President Obama promised US assistance in resolving the Euro crisis.

Rather than calming markets, these arrangements should indicate just how frightened governments around the world are about the European financial crisis.  Central banks are grasping at straws, hoping that flooding the world with money created out of thin air will somehow resolve a crisis caused by uncontrolled government spending and irresponsible debt issuance.  Congress should not permit this type of open-ended commitment on the part of the Fed, a commitment which could easily run into the trillions of dollars.  These dollar swaps are purely inflationary and will harm American consumers as much as any form of quantitative easing. 

The Fed is behaving much as it did during the 2008 financial crisis, only this time instead of bailing out politically well-connected too-big-to-fail firms it is bailing out profligate government spending. Citizens the world over deserve better than this. They deserve sound money that cannot be manipulated and created out of thin air by central planners who promise printed prosperity. Fiat money caused this European crisis and the financial crisis before it.  More fiat money is not the cure. The global fiat currency system has proven itself a failure, we need real monetary reform. We need sound money.

 

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Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:02 | 1932296 sockcutter moto...
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stfu cunt. man the FUCK up and make a financial prediction instead of a GENERIC vague statement. this is fight club, put up or shut up. U BEEN AROUND HERE 33 WEEKS MORE THAN ME AND IM KILLING U HERE! 

 

ill fuck u till u love me red nigger faggot

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:11 | 1931271 SilverRhino
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flooding the world with money created out of thin air

The Fed creates the $$$ out of thin air;  the same $$$ that we work our ASSES off to earn.   There is something utterly totally and funadmentally WRONG and evil about that process.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:20 | 1931336 Quinvarius
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The red pill is no match for the blue dong shaped suppository.  Go back to sleep.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:25 | 1931367 Dr. Richard Head
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I still know progressives that are campaigning for Obama and said that 1913 was soooooo long ago, the Federal Reserve is needed.  No reason given other than 1913 was sooooo long ago that the discussion is irrelevant.  I then asked them to leave my property.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:03 | 1931603 redpill
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I've found you don't even need to ask, the sound of pump loading a shell into the Mossberg 590 usually does the trick.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:10 | 1931640 mayhem_korner
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Leave a few spent shells scattered on the lawn and they don't even enter.  It's nice.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:22 | 1932044 Henry Chinaski
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I've found you don't even need to ask, the sound of pump loading a shell into the Mossberg 590 usually does the trick.

I don't dispute that, but I can't tell you how many times I have heard a gun shop clerk say that when showing somebody that gun.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:59 | 1932270 Uchtdorf
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I once had an idiot gun salesman tell me to pump my shotgun twice if I heard someone breaking in. What? So I could drop the shell I just chambered onto the floor? I'd rather liberate the lovely lead pellets so they can fulfill their destinies.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:36 | 1931789 aleph0
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1913 + 100 Years = 2013

 

I guess they intend to celebrate a "WW Rescue" to get their mandate renewed in 2013.
Nothing surprises me anymore.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:23 | 1931348 Bring the Gold
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John Kenneth Galbraith once famously said, “The process by which money is created is so simple that the mind is repelled.”

 

SOOO many don't understand this and no matter how many times you explain it to them their asperger's syndrome brain rejects the obvious fraud of the process in favor of some whitewashing justification to make them sleep better at night.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:26 | 1931383 Dr. Richard Head
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It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. Henry Ford

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:18 | 1931698 EscapeKey
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Not sure you understand Asperger's, if you use that as an example. An Asperger's sufferer would be far more likely to delve into the topic and understand it, becoming super geek on the topic, and boring everyone to death about it. The example you should be using is the Apple-buying, Kardashian-viewing, Frappucino-consuming ADHD sufferer.

Not that it really matters. I know what you're saying.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:15 | 1932001 kridkrid
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Michael Burry - aspergers.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:17 | 1932337 akak
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I used to suffer from ass burgers too, but then I discovered Preparation H.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:10 | 1931972 Dr. Acula
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>no matter how many times you explain it to them their... brain rejects the obvious fraud of the process in favor of some whitewashing justification

Hmm... I'm not sure if I believe what you're saying.

What do the invisible sky daddy and combustible shrubberies have to say on the issue?

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:28 | 1931380 squib
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Wait a minute! They can create money out of thin air? Since when?

What a revoltin' development!!!

 

So, last week we were at the WileyCoyote moment, suspended in air after tipping past the cliff.

Today, everyone is happy and making currency.

Someone please explain next week. I think I'm in a timewaRP.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:28 | 1931405 Bring the Gold
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Laaaa....la la la...lolololololala....lolololololo lalalalala! Great avatar who represents the attitude of most when you explain this whole scam to them.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:15 | 1931677 aerojet
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It's an accounting exercise, mainly.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:35 | 1931449 darrenstory
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There is something utterly totally and fundamentally wrong with my BRAIN!

 

If lust and hate is the candy...

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:35 | 1931451 Sunset chaser
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Well technically speaking it is the tree that creates the wood out of thin air (carbon dioxide). The wood is then used to make the paper the money is printed on.

Any chance the Fed will cut down all our trees like the Easter Islanders did? LOL!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:08 | 1931629 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Most dollars exist as electronic ledger entries. It destroys the economy and saves trees at the same time. Go green!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:25 | 1931735 Dr. Richard Head
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The Fed even recognizes its inflationary activity. The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston says: “When you or I write a check there must be sufficient funds in our account to cover the check, but when the Federal Reserve writes a check there is no bank deposit on which that check is drawn. When the Federal Reserve writes a check, it is creating money.”

http://silverunderground.com/2011/11/100-reasons-to-end-the-fed/

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:12 | 1931645 Greenspan Shrugged
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I've always found the saying "money does not grow on trees" ironic.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:13 | 1931655 Tortfeasor
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Linen, bro.  Linen.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:35 | 1931452 Joe Sixpack
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Shut up slave, and get back to work.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:08 | 1931953 Dave Thomas
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JOE, I STILL CAN'T LOG INTO YOUR FABULOUS FORUM. PLEASE TELL GALLIO TO TURN HIS CODPIECE LASER OFF!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:42 | 1932162 Joe Sixpack
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Dave: Go the forum, and send a message with your desired username and temporary password. I will get your account activated.

www.gold-silver.us/forum

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:10 | 1932329 sockcutter moto...
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good stuff joe lets put more lazy tenured faggot bitch cunt spic kike lovers in their place. these people have no idea how to make money, they just jerkoff into the nazi flag and shove their golden dildo up their ass

 

FIGHT CLUB NIGGA PUT UP OR SHUT UP AND LET THE GROWN FOLKS TALK

 

(chumbawumba faggot: PEOPLE WHO SIGN THEIR POSTS FUCK THEIR MOMS ASS REGULARLY. i been here less time than you and im wiping the floor with u. make some PREDICTIONS or get off the fucking site u IGNORANT SHEEPLE

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:16 | 1932389 akak
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Karl D, is that you?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:42 | 1931486 LasVegasDave
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Ron's greatest moment which naturally was underreported was during one of the earlier debates when he posed the question: "do you know that I can buy a gallon of gasoline with a dime"  The CNN anchors tried to hush him up with "your time is up Congressman."  But Ron insisted, then pulled a mercury head dime out of his pocket, saying " You could buy a gallon of gas when this was issued (30s or 40s)  "and you can still buy a gallon of gas with it today."

You cannot have a clearer example of how Congress and the Fed debase the currency with profligate spending and money printing. Ten cents used to buy a gallon of gas, now it costs $3.50.  Why? Money printing and inflation.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:24 | 1931724 tumblemore
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it's a legalized monopoly on counterfeiting

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:17 | 1931317 Buzz Fuzzel
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No body cares Ron.  Save your breath.  No body will care until the pain starts.  Then as always they will say "why didn't we listen".

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:25 | 1931368 Nothing To See Here
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I'm not even as optimistic as you are. I doubt they will say that. They will rather say it all happened because of the "free market". Therefore, we will need more government...

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:28 | 1931400 Dr. Richard Head
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They will blame the collapse on gold bugs, food hoarders, and gun owners, along with OWS, Tea Partiers, Third party supporters, and those people that challenge Federal Reserve Notes.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1931447 Bring the Gold
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Right, that's why I love to see folks on ZH discredit those groups (TeaParty OWS, Gold bugs, food preppers etc.) and play RIGHT into the hands of old pappy scape goat machine aka The Central Banksters.

 

Central Banksters...Scapegoating the little guys for our premeditated market collapses since 1694 (BOE founding).

Keep falling for that left vs right paradigm folks.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:39 | 1931478 Dr. Richard Head
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It is a shame that people still do believe in that left right nonsense.  May we live in interesting times.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:56 | 1931569 topcallingtroll
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No problem.
Shall we all agree then that my money is my money and your money is your money and no more big government?

We cant escape the left versus right until the right agrees welfare is noble, or the left agrees to end it.

Good luck!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:58 | 1931576 topcallingtroll
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Any subsidy of any kind unearned is welfare.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 18:17 | 1932773 Bring the Gold
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By far the biggest form of welfare is corporate welfare, foreign military aid, and the padded contracts at the pentagon that are no bid. Get rid of all of that and we probably wouldn't need the kind of welfare that feeds people because we would have something approaching a free market. I say lets go after the big fish, once that is rectified we can look at getting rid of Food Stamps and Welfare. I'm all for able bodied folks working to support themselves. Lets start with the absurd Trillions involved in corporate welfare, foreign aid and at the pentagon. Otherwise you are just starving the poor and keeping a rigged system rigged. What invariably happens is that people go after the little guy and the vested interests stay vested. Get rid of the big porkers at the trough and then we can go after the small fry eating corn from the corporate welfare stool.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:18 | 1932013 Dr. Richard Head
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That would also then require no welfare to the banks, corporations, foreign government, military dictatorships, farmers, unions, car manufacturers, United Nations, IMF, NATO, etc.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:38 | 1931472 Nothing To See Here
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And don't forget climate change. Yes that's it, climate change. The collapse will happen because we did not fight climate change.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:31 | 1931765 slowimplosion
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Not really.  The smart ones will correclty blame it on the co-opting of our government by business interests.  Something that, no matter how hard I try, I can't see happening any less under Libertarian rule.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:18 | 1931694 Temporalist
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NO, NO, NO!  They will say "Nobody could have expected it" and "The experts didn't see it coming"

 

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:26 | 1931382 Matt
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"Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No." They had a choice, all of them. They could have followed in the footsteps of good men like my father or President Truman. Decent men who believed in a day's work for a day's pay. Instead they followed the droppings of lechers and communists and didn't realize that the trail led over a precipice until it was too late. Don't tell me they didn't have a choice. Now the whole world stands on the brink, staring down into bloody Hell, all those liberals and intellectuals and smooth-talkers... and all of a sudden nobody can think of anything to say." - Rorschach, The Watchmen

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:44 | 1931509 darrenstory
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Everyone will die. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:24 | 1931727 Esso
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When?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:22 | 1932040 Al Gorerhythm
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On a long enough timeline.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:22 | 1931713 aerojet
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That reads like more left/right bullshit to me, too!  Oh yes, always the hard-working conservative men.  Where the fuck are they these days?  You read any Michael Lewis books?  Those "hard working" fuckers are the ones who committed all the fraud and the currency debasement and ran the country into the ground so that they could work some angle to get richer.  It wasn't like the lot of them earned their billions doing anything real.  Well, hardly any of them, and nobody in finance.  Any the older crowd, the industrialists, thought nothing of polluting every river and stream and the air and never gave a single thought to cleaning up any of it.  Give me a break! 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:29 | 1931408 Nascent_Variable
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Average American:  There goes crazy Ron Paul again, using those scary, big words I don't understand.  I wouldn't want to have a beer with him at all.  I'm going to vote for Obamney, because it uses words I've heard before, and this time will be different.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:38 | 1931469 Joe Sixpack
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And Barry drinks beer with cops and professors (though none of them picked a very good beer- Obama was the worst). And I have credibility to say these things.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:12 | 1931649 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I used to drink Rolling Rock before Anheuser-Busch bought it out. Now I drink Genesee.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:45 | 1931516 optimator
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The mass media will not even consider letting the Average American hear Dr. Paul's statement.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:30 | 1931416 Bastiat
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Has anybody heard from Barney Frank on this?  Barney?  Barney?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:18 | 1931693 CatoTheElder
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"Then as always they will say "why didn't we listen"."

 

NO.  They will say, "Nobody could have known." Because nobody in their coterie of statists and Keynesian academics has any appreciation for long-term consequences.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:22 | 1931716 Temporalist
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Posted the same, at the exact same time above...

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:07 | 1931943 my puppy for prez
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And I will laugh, smirk, shake the dust off my shoes, and walk away.  I'm too disgusted to care about the spoiled, purposefully ignorant sheeple to care what becomes them anymore.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1931441 Chuck Walla
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Trillion, Shmillion, its only fiat.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:20 | 1931709 CatoTheElder
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The Bernank knows that creation of money is only limited by the number supply.

Someday the hoi polloi will figure this out, also. Then, it's Game Over.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:54 | 1931538 Imminent Crucible
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"heats up attacks from the politicians"? I kinda doubt it. Bilderberger Rick Perry was going to lynch the Fed and drag it behind a seceded Texas's pickup truck a few months ago. Suddenly he has nothing to say against the Fed. And no more secession talk.

And Herman Cain has been carrying on a secret 13-year affair with the Fed.

Bachmann may ask the Bernank for further assurances that the dollar will remain our currency.

Romney hasn't heard of the Fed, but he's more pro-choice than Ted.

Newt--I can't go there.

Help us, Obi-Ron--You're our only hope.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:09 | 1931962 my puppy for prez
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Don't forget Santorum...the FAMILY MAN GOOD CHRISTIAN (sarc)....who says, "Let's bomb Iran TODAY, and start a thermo-nuclear war with Russia and China!  You simply can't get any dumber than that!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:21 | 1931712 Freddie
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"Central banks are grasping at straws, hoping that flooding the world with money created out of thin air will somehow resolve a crisis caused by uncontrolled government spending and irresponsible debt issuance."

Ron Paul is 100% correct.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:08 | 1932324 He_Who Carried ...
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Right. RP prefers a total liquidity meltdown and calls actual currency swaps inflationary?

Hey RP, its a  S W A P  not a loan and not a SWAT or something, got it?

It provides central banks with dollars which ran out of it due to stoopid Euro policies, but you can't call this QE either!

This conress is very nutty and Oh-bama may be Oh-Clueless, but I wonder very much whether the best remedy will be RP. He is a clear cut isolationist and I believe that is a very dangerous position in this ever closer world.

If this is the best we can do, so be it. I mean anything is better than Perry or Romney or Cain (god forbid).

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 18:02 | 1932529 akak
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Calling Ron Paul an "isolationist" for not advocating a foreign policy of perpetual, aggressive, worldwide  war is like calling me a wimp and a coward because I do not routinely break down my neighbors' doors and beat them up for the "crime" of refusing to allow me to steal from them.

Funny how you equate peaceful coexistence (and coincidentally, the foreign policy currently followed by essentially EVERY other nation in the world) with "isolationism".   Funny also how I never hear anyone criticize Canada, or France, or Germany, or Japan, or Colombia, or Brazil, or Malaysia, or fucking RUSSIA AND CHINA for that matter, for their "isolationism", simply because they are not militarily spread around the world and routinely engaged in invading and occupying nations that never presented them with any real threat.

Lack of aggression (non-interventionism) does NOT equate to blind withdrawal from reality (your putative "isolationism"); please learn the difference.  Oh, and thanks for using every pro-status-quo Establishment defender's favorite, and most absurd, slur against libertarianism.  I wish I could give you 1000 down arrows, you disingenuous and lying asswipe.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 19:10 | 1932989 He_Who Carried ...
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"Play The Ball, Not The Man", fucktard!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 19:27 | 1933048 akak
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More gibberish from an idiotic and ignorant asswipe.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:10 | 1931258 Chief KnocAHoma
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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

I ussually don't panic, but when the  CB starts to panic and spread money around like a lottery winner at a whore house, watch out!!!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:53 | 1931551 greensnacks
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Is Italy's Debt to GDP still projected at 157%? This may have helped liquidity in the zone, but did it really address the underlying problem?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:54 | 1931557 redpill
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Of course not.  That's not the plan, man.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:15 | 1931676 MsCreant
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Don't think for a second they have not already been doing it. The need is too big to keep it quiet anymore.

Our countries are walking dead, brainless, in servitude to the banking system. Every now and again Dr. Bernankenstein gives them "injections" and markets are stimulated, immulating life, when in fact nothing productive is going on. On the bright side, Dr. Bernankenstein will lose control of his monsters. After they destroy the "village" they will come looking to him for more and there will be none. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:15 | 1931984 viahj
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Ben Bernake to the global ponzi scheme like Giovanni Aldini to dead bovine heads

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:49 | 1931279 President Palin
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I bet Ron Paul has more than a week's worth of food stored at his home, thus he will eventually arrested and detained as a terrorist.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:04 | 1931608 Peter K
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RUN SARAH RUN :)

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:24 | 1931359 Hearst
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I've been reading about President Andrew Jackson's war against the second BUS (Bank of the United States).  It's amazing how much he understood of the nature and dangers a private central bank poses.  His opposition against it was extraordinary!  US history & present day is immersed in this struggle against the money changers.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:38 | 1931453 baby_BLYTHE
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Ron Paul has many striking similarities to President Jackson minus his intent to genocide the Natives.

President Andrew Jackson:

  • The bold effort the present (central) bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it.
  • You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out.
  • I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic; inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a moneyed aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country.
  • Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin!
  • If Congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given to be used by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.
Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:52 | 1931549 Captain Kink
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Maybe they will put his face on the new $20,000,000 bill after they discontinue all denominations under $1,000 under hyperinflation. 

thanks for the quote, I will use it, and while it heartens me somewhat, it also makes me extremely depressed, struck by how far we have fallen as a nation.  This is just not the same country that was founded a little over 200 years ago.  As a people, we lack the courage and conviction of our forebears.  And man does it show. I'm sick with grief.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:08 | 1931627 g speed
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not true-- families in the 30s left with out a word when the eviction was put on the door. At least now they are staying and fighting -- when they do leave they throw a stone through the window.  I don't think anyone has a handle on the anger and resentment that is in the hearts of the middle class-- and another thing--lots and lots if not all of the millitary and the police are middle class.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:15 | 1931669 Captain Kink
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Vandalism during eviction is a sign that we are as educated, informed and honorable as our forefathers?  The sheeple are all brainwashed by the flatscreen, have allowed themselves to be subjugated.  I wouldn't want to have a beer with 90% of them.  One word: Snooky...This is the state of the nation's middle class. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:26 | 1931745 aerojet
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The problem is that most all of the people who have been foreclosed upon deserved it.  They don't know how to manage their own money and got taken in by crooks.  In one way, they are victims, but in another way, they got exactly what was coming to them.  It's just hard because their kids are caught in the vortex.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:12 | 1931977 Captain Kink
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"Deserve" has got nothin to do with it--we all got it comin', Kid. --William Munny (Unforgiven) We all suffer the consequences of our actions. Until the govt stePs in and changes the rules of the game. Greed exists on all sides of every transaction. If you got in on the wrong side, and both the home buyer and the bank are on the wrong side in a default, then nuts to you. Penalizing the savers and the elderly to "paper" over the mistakes of many in the past decade is something that would never have happened in Munny's day, or Jackson's for that matter. All our kids will be paying for the idiocy, because the fed and govt want to stay in power. Damn, what time is it? I need a drink.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:31 | 1932102 Al Gorerhythm
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As you deserve the FRNs in your pocket? Have you learned nothing being here? Get to the core of the matter.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:14 | 1931954 slewie the pi-rat
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hey, baby_B!

what a nice day for a game!  +  we'll take the 'w'...

r.paul is not bad, here;  maybe he is miffed that he hasn't been able to get his bill going---the one which states we owe the 1.6$T in treasurys @ the FED to ourselves, and when the law passes, we won't hafta pay?

this seems like an idea we all may be ready for, soon, eh? 

what if the FED sells the short stuff in operation twist, buying the long stuff, then selling the long stuff to pass the cashola around to needy banksters this holiday season?  [then we'll owe the megaBucks to somebody else--how about greece?  or italy?  maybe russia or iran?]

actually...the chairsatan already has, huh?

happy holidaze and joyous D00M to all bIcHEz on earth and elzewhere

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:00 | 1932282 Captain Kink
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Dude, Slewie,
Just ask her out. Or get her email or something.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:47 | 1931835 piceridu
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They tried to get Jackson but luckily, the guns jammed...these guys were not so lucky for opposing a Central Bank: Lincoln, Kennedy, Garfield and don't forget Alexander II

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:18 | 1932405 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Thank you sir, I did my best as was the duty of my position.

Now if you 21st century spoiled brats would quit pussyfooting around.  I swear I'm going to paddle each one of your pasty-white asses when you get to hell.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 21:54 | 1933483 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Hearst noted:

I've been reading about President Andrew Jackson's war against the second BUS (Bank of the United States).  It's amazing how much he understood of the nature and dangers a private central bank poses.  His opposition against it was extraordinary!  US history & present day is immersed in this struggle against the money changers.

Andrew Jackson was also the only US president to pay off the national debt, a feat which will remain forever unmatched.

His portrait adorning the twenty dollar debt note has got to be some greasy banker's idea of a joke.

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:31 | 1931420 heavenskrow
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GUYS WATCH THIS FROM 4:44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ8lHp-ihCI

Bernanke:"We have no plans whatsoever to be involved in any foreign bailouts or anything of that sort."

HE IS LYING STRAIGHT IN OUR FACES.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:40 | 1931482 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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He would say he didn't bail them out because he is getting a return on the Fed's investment.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:28 | 1931754 Temporalist
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They didn't "plan" it, it just kinda happened.  Kinda like a pregnancy.  You screw around enough and someday BLAM a demon monster is born.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 21:57 | 1933499 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Temporalist observed:

You screw around enough and someday BLAM a demon monster is born.

Yeah, kind of like what happened on Jekyll Island about a century ago.

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:04 | 1931485 Dangertime
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Based on the thumbs up versus thumbs down for max2205's post.....does anyone think the MSM poll numbers Ron Paul is credited for are untrue?

 

Everywhere I look and everyone who talks politics to me is pro Ron Paul.  I honestly have a hard time finding anyone who is not.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:30 | 1931759 Temporalist
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You need to go to better websites for those with imprisoned minds.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:35 | 1931776 Esso
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What country are you in? Here in the U.S. everybody I try to talk to just drools and utters something about Uhmerikkon Idle or fuutball in between bites of their gutbomb big macs.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:22 | 1932441 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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95% of the people who will vote won't make their mind up until the night before the election.  It will come down to who had the best hair and powerfull yet non-threatening tie on the Tee Vee.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 19:07 | 1932981 NidStyles
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Do not bother wasting your time listening to the MSM in regards to Ron Paul. He won the iowa Straw Poll with 84%. Di you honestly think that there is really a contender to him? None of the rest are even close.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:43 | 1931500 Another Texan
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Nothing gives Dr. Paul a greater soap box than this continued FED bullshit. Keep it up Ben.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1931525 Jack Burton
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Indeed! Plus INFINITY....................

Ron Paul, the last honest man  in congress. All the rest are liars, crooks and bribe takers. Liars. Crooks. Bribe Takers. The whole bloody lot of them.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:22 | 1931715 Bansters-in-my-...
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Hey max

Looks like Timmy and Benny clicked your red arrow.

At least they read zero hedge.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:16 | 1932384 max2205
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I know...pricks,,lol

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:24 | 1931729 tocointhephrase
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Robo X2

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:15 | 1932371 max2205
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342 up marks...I feel like the guy who set himself on fire in the streets of Tunisa.....Thanks!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:05 | 1931224 JW n FL
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http://www.emptywheel.net/

Udall Amendment Fails 37-61 By:  Tuesday November 29, 2011 3:12 pm

 

In the battle of two wrong sides, the Democrats lost, with the Udall Amendment failing 37-61. The vote is interesting, first of all, as a read of Obama’s ability to sustain a veto. Right now, the militarists do not have a two-thirds majority to override.

Also of interest are some of the Democrats voting against the Udall Amendment, most notably Sheldon Whitehouse.

Rand Paul and Mark Kirk are the only two Republicans to vote in favor of Udall.

I’ll have a more complete discussion of the vote count shortly.

Update: Here’s the roll call. The Dems voting against are:

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1931443 Bastiat
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Thanks for info and link.  Boxer and Feinstein both Yeah?  I'll be damned.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:58 | 1931691 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I have been unable to find the specific language in the defense bill which would target US citizens.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 18:29 | 1932830 JW n FL
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Efforts to Combat Levin-McCain Don’t Do Anything to Prohibit Indefinite Detention of Americans By:  Wednesday November 30, 2011 2:41 pm

 

When he gets defensive, Carl Levin can be tremendously cantankerous (sometimes that’s a good thing, but not when he’s pushing terrible law like the detainee provisions in the Defense Authorization).

That cantankerous Carl Levin of late started repeatedly invoking Hamdi in response to claims the Levin-McCain language newly subjects American citizens to indefinite detention.

Now, in terms of constitutional provisions, the ultimate authority on the constitution of the United States is the Supreme Court of the United States, and here is what they have said. In the Hamdi case about the issue which both our friends have raised about American citizens being subject to the law of war. “A citizen,” the Supreme Court said in 2004, “no less than an alien, can be part of supporting forces hostile to the United States and engage in armed conflict against the United States. Such a citizen,” referring to an American citizen, “if released would pose the same threat of returning to the front during the ongoing conflict.” And here is the bottom line for the Supreme Court. If we just take this one line out of this whole debate, it would be a breath of fresh air to cut through some of the words that have been used here this morning, one line. “There is no bar to this nation’s holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant.” Okay? That’s not me, that’s not Senator Graham, that’s not Senator McCain. That’s the Supreme Court of the United States recently. “There is no bar to this nation’s holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant.” [my emphasis]

He’s being insufferable, but when I see claims that the new AUMF language–which actually may impose new limits on the use of the AUMF from the current known usage–is what makes it legal to indefinitely detain US citizens, I’m sympathetic to his stubborn repetition.

This law doesn’t codify indefinite detention. SCOTUS already did that in Hamdi.

I’m sympathetic to Levin’s cantankerous repetition because of what I see as the real problem with those attacking the detainee provisions because they purportedly codify indefinite detention of Americans (as opposed to a range of other superb reasons to oppose the language). None of the supposed fixes to the detainee provisions–neither defeat of the provisions outright nor the Udall Amendment–does a damn thing to limit the indefinite detention of American citizens. Continue reading ?

 

 

Ahmed Abdulkadir Warsame and the Paper Trail Preventing Floating Ghost Prisons By:  Wednesday November 30, 2011 8:17 am

Given the defeat of the Udall Amendment, it looks likely the Defense Authorization will include provisions mandating military detention for most accused terrorists (though the Administration has already doubled down on their veto threat).

So I’d like to look at an aspect of the existing detainee provision language that has gotten little notice: the way it requires the Administration to create a paper trail that would prevent it from ghosting–disappearing–detainees. In many ways, this paper trail aspect of the detainee provisions seems like a justifiable response to the Administration’s treatment of Ahmed Abdulkadir Warsame.

The Administration unilaterally expanded detention authorities in its treatment of Warsame

As you recall, Ahmed Abdulkadir Warsame is a Somali alleged to be a member of al-Shabab with ties with Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. When the Administration detained Warsame, al-Shabab was not understood to fall under the 2001 AUMF language. The Administration effectively admitted as much, anonymously, after he was captured.

While Mr. Warsame is accused of being a member of the Shabab, which is focused on a parochial insurgency in Somalia, the administration decided he could be lawfully detained as a wartime prisoner under Congress’s authorization to use military force against the perpetrators of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to several officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss security matters.

But the administration does not consider the United States to be at war with every member of the Shabab, officials said. Rather, the government decided that Mr. Warsame and a handful of other individual Shabab leaders could be made targets or detained because they were integrated with Al Qaeda or its Yemen branch and were said to be looking beyond the internal Somali conflict.

And while he had no problem extending the AUMF to include al-Shabab in the war on terror detention authorities, one of the big SASC champions of these detainee provisions, Lindsey Graham, clearly believed Warsame was not included in existing detention authorities.

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said in an interview that he would offer amendments to a pending bill that would expand tribunal jurisdiction and declare that the Shabab are covered by the authorization to use military force against Al Qaeda.

So to begin with, Warsame was detained under AUMF authority that one loud-mouthed, hawkish member of the SASC didn’t believe was actually included under it.

And then there’s the way the Administration ghosted Warsame for 2 months.

The US captured Warsame on April 19, then whisked him away to the amphibious assault ship, the Boxer, where he was interrogated by members of the High Value Detainee Interrogation Group (which, remember, includes DOJ, Intelligence, and military members) for two months. Continue reading ?

 

 

Mark Udall’s Unsatisfactory Solution to the Detainee Provisions By:  Monday November 28, 2011 3:40 pm

As I have repeatedly described, I have very mixed feelings about the debate over Detainee Provisions set to pass the Senate tonight or tomorrow. I view it as a fight between advocates of martial law and advocates of relatively unchecked Presidential power. And as I’ve pointed out, the SASC compromise language actually limits Presidential power as it has been interpreted in a series of secret OLC opinions.

Which is why I’m no happier with Mark Udall’s amendment than I am with any of the other options here.

On its face, Udall’s amendment looks like a reset: A request that the Executive Branch describe precisely how it sees the military should be used in detention.

SEC. 1031. REVIEW OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

(a) In General.–Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall, in consultation with appropriate officials in the Executive Office of the President, the Director of National Intelligence, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Attorney General, submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a report setting forth the following:

(1) A statement of the position of the Executive Branch on the appropriate role for the Armed Forces of the United States in the detention and prosecution of covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)).

(2) A statement and assessment of the legal authority asserted by the Executive Branch for such detention and prosecution.

(3) A statement of any existing deficiencies or anticipated deficiencies in the legal authority for such detention and prosecution.

On one hand, this seems like a fair compromise. The Republicans want something in writing, Carl Levin claims SASC met just about every demand the Administration made in its attempt to codify the authority, but in response the President still issued a veto threat. So why not ask the President to provide language codifying the authority himself?

 

That is what I could throw together quickly.. sorry for the slop.. but the language is existing and to my understanding is expanding on existing in most cases.. the 1031 (which is a tax exchange for property) is the section people seems upset about most.

This little girl Marcy Wheeler is the blooger who put this all together.. I say her on russia today, some program.. but a very bright little girl and her heart seems to be in the right place. I hope this reading and you can find more here -----> http://www.emptywheel.net/ will help you get up to speed..

My only problem with all of this is!

#1 No Standing American Amry shall be used against American Citizens.

#2 Any and ALL! American Citizens have RIGHTS! and must be tried in a Court of Law.

other than that?? they could start nuking sand niggers all fucking day, all fucking week long and I would NOT lose any sleep at all. Add isreal in for spite and we can call that even too.

sorry my blood thirsty down south side is showing!

God Bless You and Yours Brother! as always!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 18:31 | 1932837 JW n FL
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and!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbsb3pJEmMA&feature=g-all&context=G138b4ALTtahJAAZAA

Scott Olsen: "I Swore to uphold & defend the Constitution from enemies foreign & domestic"

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 23:01 | 1933655 JW n FL
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckJM4-m_CoY&feature=g-u&context=G13a7eFUAAAAAAAMAA

More than 7 days of food in your house? Potential terrorist!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:18 | 1932016 my puppy for prez
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Thanks...both of my f-ing senators voted "nay"....not that I am surprised.  They are tyrrany whores!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:05 | 1931225 apberusdisvet
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falling on deaf ears, unfortunately.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:08 | 1931242 kito
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yep, tis true, americans dont care about sound money, they care about mo money.............

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:10 | 1931261 JW n FL
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What the FUCK! does Bailing Out Europe?? have to do with Dumbass Sheep?

Your one line trash is fucking boring and your stupid is showing.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:18 | 1931313 jcaz
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On behalf of those of us in Florida who can read and write and operate a doorknob, we apologize for JW.......

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:33 | 1931438 krispkritter
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"operate a doorknob"...I hope this means he's unable to escape from his parent's basement. If I knew the address I'd rip the internet service out...

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:59 | 1931582 Captain Kink
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JW is as free to express himself here as anyone, Robo included.  I'll grant that JW may not be as tolerant as others, but that is up to him... He has put up some good llinks, etc.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:15 | 1931665 g speed
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yeah I tried the drugs he's on --read his comments in a whole new light-- +10 for you JW--

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:24 | 1931361 CPL
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I don't think that was what he was saying, to be blunt everyone here is shell shocked no matter our positions as bystanders, traders, investors, retirees, working stiff, bum or hobo.

 

Today we all see with the same eyes and optics.  This is the unfortunate cause of our partisanship.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:25 | 1931377 kito
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@jw--my stupid is showing?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:16 | 1932002 Esso
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Nah, someone as handsome as you couldn't possibly be stupid.

As a matter of fact, you look so good that I'm going to vote for you for president!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:01 | 1932286 Esso
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Looky there, kito. At least two other folks want you to be president. With your vote & mine that makes four in a half an hour. At this rate, by the end of the week we should have at least a half a billion votes for you. By election time, the number should be well into the trillions.

You're a shoe-in, my man! Kito 2012!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:36 | 1932556 kito
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its good to see that you keep up with south american politics.............

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:30 | 1931417 dtwn
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mo money, mo towels, mo waffle makers, mo bitchez, mo problems

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:33 | 1931435 kito
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...............word..............

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:50 | 1932198 Al Gorerhythm
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@apberusdisvet. They're not deaf, just clogged.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:06 | 1931227 I think I need ...
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Liesman is in europe the end must be nigh

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1931254 knukles
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All the more reason to stop the bailouts.
We'll keep the money.
Europe can have Liesman. 

Fuck it, we'll throw in Krugman for free, too.
Deal?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:12 | 1931284 Chief KnocAHoma
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The Europeans are dumb, but not THAT dumb.

Hell even Bernie bucks are better to have around than that bald mongrel.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:26 | 1931381 CPL
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We all have as much say in the matter as cows to slaughter.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:20 | 1931705 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Moo? Moooooooo!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:29 | 1931758 MsCreant
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Udderly re-dick-u-lous.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:29 | 1931407 Nothing To See Here
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I happen to think that Europeans are THAT dumb. Heck, they still cheer Obama, why not Krugman...

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:13 | 1931295 GeneMarchbanks
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Nope. I'll settle for the bailouts but prefer that you clumsy assholes get Paul the Presidency.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:11 | 1931272 NotApplicable
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I always thought it was bizarre to see Burnett turn up all over the world with no advance notice. Well, other than realizing she's a CFR operative, that is.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:06 | 1931229 Aengrod
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Gold and Silver bitchez!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:06 | 1931230 bob_dabolina
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Support Ron Paul or approach the ledge and step. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1931244 Spastica Rex
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Too late.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:16 | 1931314 NotApplicable
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Exactly. We're in a Wile E. Coyote moment of suspended animation. If Dr. Paul were to somehow get in the door, TPTB merely has to stop the suspension and let it all come crashing down while blaming his "do nothing isolationism."

There's no way he can escape the trap of a crack-up boom when the electorate is not only brain-dead, but programmed to react in a self-destructive manner of hailing the Saviour-state.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:31 | 1931418 Nothing To See Here
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Well Paul has always said that there would be pain no matter what, so he could avoid the blame for the crash. But this is all theorical since he's going to be shot before he gets too close to the GOP nomination.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:17 | 1931618 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Nothing To See Here: Had you seen this link before you commented?

"Obama Issues Ron Paul "Kill Order" As Russia Prepares For War"

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1542.htm

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:11 | 1931974 Spastica Rex
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That link goes to a really weird place.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 18:19 | 1932785 NotApplicable
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And if it is true (I doubt it, since I don't think those kind of decisions go through his office), the place it goes is even weirder, Hegeland, as it's the reaction (Tea Party uprising -> labeled as a militia movement -> resulting in martial law), not their action (assassination) that matters. This is the only reason I can see TPTB doing this, as otherwise they risk things getting out of their control.

Or in other words, any revolutions or uprisings will be traps.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:25 | 1932065 Dave Thomas
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Sorcha Fail!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:36 | 1932131 my puppy for prez
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Yes, this IS an unusual site, but I have seen it before.  It's pretty New Age and "out there", but sometimes truth leaks through in the strangest places.

I did read about the female whistleblower dying.  I thought it was ridiculous that they had IMMEDIATELY ruled out homicide but said it would "take weeks" to determine the cause of death.  Something very fishy about that.

But what I didn't know until reading this article was that she was subpoened by RP....then found dead.  Could TPTB be trying to send RP a message?  Why would this be impossible to believe?  Just look at the madness that is our world!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:25 | 1932253 Temporalist
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*Updated - Some people have reported that links to that "article" are getting a virus/trojan.  Because of that I have broken the link below.

 

I shared this on the Fraudclosure contributor article.  That was before I looked into the EUtimes website.  I don't think they're very credible.  Here is the original link to the story though and it is the main story on the front page.  Some claim some pretty serious things about them but who knows.

 

http:// www. eutimes.net/2011/11/obama-issues-ron-paul-kill-order-as-russia-prepares-for-war/

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 18:16 | 1932766 Dave Thomas
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The EU Times is some kind of WN news aggregator.

I think the Mossad has installed all the trojans. LOL.

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:31 | 1931424 tarsubil
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Perhaps. Or perhaps some of his family go missing. Perhaps a school bus full of orphans goes missing. Perhaps he's told to step onto the box and sign "his" farewell letter. Perhaps a happy ending? No.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:43 | 1931495 buyingsterling
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He has to win first. Which means the most widely watched presidential debates in history. And speech after speech. Betting on Paul is still the best bet, regardless what the future holds. The better he does and the longer he lasts in the race, the more people will wake up.

I also don't buy the 'blame Paul' scenario if he wins and they pull out the supports and collapse the system. The people who will swallow that line are the same ones already gagging on bankster/Obama member. To everyone else, it'll be real simple: Here's a guy who's said for years they're doing literally everything wrong, he gets elected, things collapse, and the evil mother fuckers want us to blame HIM? No chance.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:29 | 1931410 tarsubil
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Flap your arms for all the good that will do you.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1931232 ArsoN
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Please be President. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1931233 YesWeKahn
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Is Bernanke Obama's puppet?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:10 | 1931260 knukles
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Yo, bitch.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:13 | 1931290 terryfuckwit
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no but LLoyd, Jamie and Benjiamin take turns pulling obama's strings....

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