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Ron Paul Statement On The Fed's Bailout Of Europe

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From Ron Paul

Statement on the Fed's Continued Euro Bailout

The Fed's latest actions in cooperating with foreign central banks to undertake liquidity swaps of dollars for foreign currencies is another reason why Congress needs enhanced power to oversee and audit the Fed.  Under current law Congress cannot examine these types of agreements.  Those who would argue that auditing the Fed or these agreements with central banks harms the Fed's independence should reevaluate the Fed's supposed independence when the Fed bails out Europe so soon after President Obama promised US assistance in resolving the Euro crisis.

Rather than calming markets, these arrangements should indicate just how frightened governments around the world are about the European financial crisis.  Central banks are grasping at straws, hoping that flooding the world with money created out of thin air will somehow resolve a crisis caused by uncontrolled government spending and irresponsible debt issuance.  Congress should not permit this type of open-ended commitment on the part of the Fed, a commitment which could easily run into the trillions of dollars.  These dollar swaps are purely inflationary and will harm American consumers as much as any form of quantitative easing. 

The Fed is behaving much as it did during the 2008 financial crisis, only this time instead of bailing out politically well-connected too-big-to-fail firms it is bailing out profligate government spending. Citizens the world over deserve better than this. They deserve sound money that cannot be manipulated and created out of thin air by central planners who promise printed prosperity. Fiat money caused this European crisis and the financial crisis before it.  More fiat money is not the cure. The global fiat currency system has proven itself a failure, we need real monetary reform. We need sound money.

 

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Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:16 | 1931309 the grateful un...
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they're an autoerotic Siamese twin

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:16 | 1931310 Chief KnocAHoma
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God that is FUNNY!!!

No the way it work is Bernie works for a few VERY FEW wealthy and powerful people, and they allowed the clown boy live in the White House so long as he doesn't ask too many questions, or show any balls to do anything that would conflict with the looting.

I am The Chief.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:18 | 1931325 Grinder74
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Other way around.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:27 | 1932483 Bindar Dundat
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The other way around. The central banks have already taken Europe and next it will be America.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1931235 The Axe
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Paul is right  its inflationary.....WHERE is the VOLUME in is 420 up market....Market is FUCKING BROKEN

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:22 | 1931346 madcuban
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The market might be up 400+, but it's offset by the dollar going down today (inflation).  stockbrokers can hold up the charts and claim they made you money, but the money they "made" is all worth less than it was before. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:08 | 1931630 topcallingtroll
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Hey, dude said 420

Harharharyukityyuck...snort.....I hate it when that happens.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1931236 data_monkey
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I love that guy. Too bad those other government types can't understand what he's talking about...

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:10 | 1931257 ronin12
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Those govt types understand quite well, they just don't care. They only care about serving our banker overlords.

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:31 | 1931768 MsCreant
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To be a "Head of State" these days, you need knee pads.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1931237 JS1234
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Now that we own Europe do we all get free German cars and French wine?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:11 | 1931264 GeneMarchbanks
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No. But you can have French cars and German wine, how's that?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:14 | 1931298 the grateful un...
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A Citreon and a bottle of Blue Nun?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:27 | 1931394 GeneMarchbanks
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Free. Both. I'll throw in some Greek bonds. Deal?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:45 | 1931513 the grateful un...
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thanks you'll see how this turns out in the next episode of COPS, Interpol edition. Drunk drivers who try to outrun the cops in a Citreon.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:26 | 1931388 Gief Gold Plox
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Oy! Not all French cars are bad! Some of them are quite horribly disastrous.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:30 | 1931415 Willzyx
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In heaven the cooks are French, the police are British, the mechanics are German, the lovers are Italian, and everything is organized by the Swiss.

In hell the cooks are British, the police are German, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, and everything is organized by the Italians.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:47 | 1931528 Mattress Money
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Bugatti??

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:56 | 1931570 Peter K
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Gene, I own a French car, and it ain't that bad. Pininfarina design. As to German wines, the Rislings are quite nice.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:14 | 1931297 knukles
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More likely Peugeots and rotten Retsina.
WTF, throw in some stale Baklava for shits and grins 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:56 | 1931566 Kaiser Sousa
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u dont own a damn thang except more debt...the bankers r running this shit and taking it all...

no violence, no justice...

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 22:11 | 1933538 TheFourthStooge-ing
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JS1234 asked:

Now that we own Europe do we all get free German cars and French wine?

In a manner of speaking, yes: a Trabant and an MP3 player loaded with speeches by Sarkozy (French whine).

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1931238 the grateful un...
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come on Ron those are US taxpayer dollars. don't be afraid of a little populist outrage no one is going to confuse you with howard dean.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1931239 junkyardjack
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Sounds like a quack to me, Fox News told me so...

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:08 | 1931243 HANKREARDON
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The comforting words of the father of central planning "in the long run we are all dead" -keynes

 

I feel better already.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1931248 blabam
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I just can't believe these clowns are the "frontrunners":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O1RKPfMqGOg

On second thought, I can.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1931249 heavenskrow
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Someone go find the video where in Congress, Ron Paul questions Bernanke if he will bail out Europe... And Bernanke says no. WHAT A F*CKIN LIAR!!!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:32 | 1931434 heavenskrow
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I FOUND the video.  WATCH THIS FROM 4:44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ8lHp-ihCI

Bernanke:"We have no plans whatsoever to be involved in any foreign bailouts or anything of that sort."

HE IS LYING STRAIGHT IN OUR FACES.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1931446 BanksterSlayer
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Ask and Ye shall receive ... video of Ron Paul facing off with Ben Bernanke. Scroll forward to the 4:35 mark. Paul asks Bernanke: Are you currently negotiating a bailout of Greece? Bernanke replies, "I am not." Vid was posted on YouTube back in Feb. 2010 ... this not my youtube channel so can't really tell you about the disconnected title and channel user's comments ... but the media clip is pure.

http://youtu.be/SasxwIqwB8o

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:51 | 1931544 heavenskrow
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thank you sir =]

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1931250 Deadpool
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if a Texas congressman shouts in the woods does he really make a sound? Now if Ralph Nader had said it...look out.

//sarc off//

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1931251 MarketPaladin
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This guy should run for president!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:44 | 1932179 Joe Sixpack
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That's what I told him back in 2008:

 

http://joesixpack.me/ron_paul_letter1.html

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1931252 Sudden Debt
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Sound money..... THERE ISN'T ENOUGH GOLD AND SILVER TO CREATE ENOUGH SOUND MONEY!!!

Unless you make coins the size of nano particles....

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:11 | 1931267 ronin12
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or reprice gold to $50K an ounce.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:01 | 1931593 walküre
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It won't happen. Not in this century.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:48 | 1931841 ronin12
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Well FOFOA disagrees with you.

Besides that, in the past 100 years the USD price of Gold has increased from $35 an ounce to $1800 an ounce ~ 5000% increase.

If ONLY the same 5000% rate of appreciation occurred over the next 100 years you'd be at over $90K per ounce.

Never mind the fact that money supply growth is greatly accelerating as the debt ponzi approaches its ultimate mathematical conclusion.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:28 | 1932085 buyingsterling
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Barnanke said it all when he was asked about a return to the gold standard. He said there wasn't enough gold in the world to backstop all of the dollars. At one time, the US alone had enough gold to backstop all of the dollars. Gold is clearly the problem.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:12 | 1931278 knukles
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Ah, that assumes an unchaged price of gold.....

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:19 | 1931330 BanksterSlayer
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Colloidal silver ...??

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:22 | 1931343 JLee2027
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Well there is enough. A lot of "wealth" will be vanishing. That's why everyone needs to get out of paper and into hard assets (Gold/Silver/Land).

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:32 | 1931432 Willzyx
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Just don't sew them into the lining of an ugly jacket, then donate that jacket to goodwill

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:43 | 1931494 Henry Chinaski
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The wife bought a rolling suit bag at a thrift store recently for a couple of bucks and it had about $100 worth of 20 dollar bills stuffed in the various pockets.

That's one of the drawbacks of stashing your swag and it applies to holding physical PMs.  

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:24 | 1931362 Forward History
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The argument assumes sound money was never possible, or implemented.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:25 | 1931379 Mark_BC
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They could make alloys of say 5% or 1%.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:27 | 1931748 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Plastic rounds with a small piece of silver or gold in the center.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:30 | 1932099 Dave Thomas
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Then APMEX can add another premium to their bullion.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:49 | 1932199 CrockettAlmanac.com
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It only costs $5 to dig plastic out of the ground.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:37 | 1931465 Antifederalist
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You are a moron.  There is plenty of gold/silver.  The issue is AT WHAT PRICE???   Your argument is specious

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1931253 firstdivision
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So if everybody is giving the Fed their Euros for Dollars, then the Eurozone dissolves, who eats the loss?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:10 | 1931262 Sudden Debt
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Welll. The US will be holding euro's and europe will be holding dollars....

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:16 | 1931311 firstdivision
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Rhetorically speaking of course.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:23 | 1931355 Quinvarius
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I don't pretend to have read the details.  But I can pretty much promise you they are swapping Euro Zone debt, denominated in Euros, for Dollars. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:21 | 1931711 robertocarlos
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The Fed eats it. Place all bad assets into the Fed. Dissolve Fed. Issue new fiat currency. Start new Fed.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:10 | 1931256 Hondo
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I agree with him 110%

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:12 | 1931288 mainuh1
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The banksters will fight RP to the end but he is correct. I hope the "good old boy system" is about to die the death it deserves.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:10 | 1931259 azzhatter
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The only opportunity for real change in America

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:11 | 1931265 Comay Mierda
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who is ron paul?  back to watching judge judy

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:16 | 1931274 TheAkashicRecord
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GlobalPost - How much would this (the US Fed to act as a lender of last resort for debt-laden European nations) cost, and what would the impact be on US taxpayers and the American economy?

There would not be any cost to the taxpayers, since the Fed could carry out this program just as it has done its $2.3 trillion of quantitative easing (QE) since 2008, by creating money.

-The Center for Economic Policy Research (CEPR) co-director Mark Weisbrot 

These types of people certainly operating under an interesting assumption, that being, that QE and "creating money" do not impose a cost on the taxpayers. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:11 | 1931275 Joebloinvestor
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The truth is, the bank are backstopped by the governments and they answer to no one.

They call the shots.

Get back on a gold standard and remove the ability to print money at will.

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:13 | 1931291 Mark_BC
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The governmetns are backstopped by the banks

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:03 | 1931604 Joebloinvestor
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I had it right the first time.

The banks decide what they are gonna do and the governments make it legal.

 

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:12 | 1931277 loveyajimbo
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Man, why is this guy not 20 points ahead of the nearest GOP jagoff?  Elites hate him... maybe?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:06 | 1931607 JLee2027
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Maybe he is, but the real voting hasn't started yet.  

Does anyone really believe they "scientifically" polled 400-600 Registered Voters, "likely to vote" and Ron Paul only got 8%?   Cain, the ex-banker with groping and lying issues gets more votes.  Rick Perry who can't even remember his own plan gets more. Romney has no plan, but a nice smile.  Gingrich copies Ron Paul, but has collected millions in consulting fees (ie. taxpayer money) from bankrupt and corrupt Freddie Mac.  Meanwhile Ron Paul crushes them all in every debate. It makes no sense to me. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:34 | 1931781 end da fed
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the first question the registered voters were asked by the pollister was "Are you likely to vote for Ron Paul?". If they said, "yes", the pollister said thanks for their time, hung up and didn't count that call.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:01 | 1931909 JLee2027
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If that's true, then Ron Paul wlll win.  I hope so.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:44 | 1931822 aerojet
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What little of the Republican Presidential race I have observed has all looked like a big dog & pony show to me and little more.  Obama will win reelection, the rest is a sideshow carnival.  And if, in the unlikely event a Republican wins, that person will be an inside man, too.  There is zero chance that the election will change anything.  It is done merely to keep us believing the lie.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:38 | 1932130 Esso
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I wouldn't be too sure about O'boingo's reelection.

I just can't help but to think that we haven't heard the last of Hillary Clintoris' presidential aspirations.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:12 | 1931282 Gubbmint Cheese
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stay away from hot tubs Ron Paul... the status quo does not like you.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:33 | 1931773 CrockettAlmanac.com
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During a 2007 rally Ron Paul said that more people die by slipping in their bath tubs than in terrorist attacks. I called out "War on bath tubs," and the crowd roared. Ron motioned in my direction and said "Like this fellow said..." and went on with his speech.

That's my big Ron Paul moment.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:13 | 1931292 CvlDobd
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SPY back to 12/29/1998 level.

That was close. Almost had a collapse there.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:14 | 1931296 YesWeKahn
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In the end, only one man has the real freedom.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:15 | 1931299 SheepleLOVEched...
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I gave a presentation yesterday to some people on "sound money" and the austrian theory of malinvestment......they had no clue what I was talking about. When I finished I asked them if they had any questions, and not one....I took that as thehad no grounds with keynesian retorts, or they were just plain stupid, brainwashed sheep.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:19 | 1931328 Seize Mars
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I gave a presentation yesterday to some people on "sound money" and the austrian theory of malinvestment......they had no clue what I was talking about. When I finished I asked them if they had any questions, and not one....I took that as thehad no grounds with keynesian retorts, or they were just plain stupid, brainwashed sheep.

Keep fighting the good fight. Think about five or ten years ago, and how much progress we've made. More and more people are starting to understand that the Fed is the souce of the problems, not the cure.

Keep rockin, man

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:24 | 1931360 Mark_BC
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Austrian economics is no better than Keynesian. It's easy to fall in a simplistic binary analysis and say that because the current system doesn't work, therefore the opposite will.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:37 | 1931463 Matt
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But all we ask is for the chance to try the other system for a change.

Besides, execution is as much important as planning. A good plan with poor execution can fail, and a poor plan with brilliant execution can be quite a success.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:52 | 1931547 SheepleLOVEched...
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A purely free market works.....thats why we dont have a free market. Quit being so naive......

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:05 | 1931615 Mark_BC
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OK, in your wonderful free market, what stops the mafia? Power gets concentrated because the big boys are free to manipulate the system as they please. Then you no longer have a free market, you have more along the lines of what America is today. The political spectrum is a circle. When you go too far off the right you re-emerge on the far left. Freedom must be vigilantly regulated or you lose it.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:09 | 1931960 tmosley
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Uhh, no.  Free markets do not allow violent intervention, nor threats thereof in economic decisions.  The Mafia is exactly the same as a government.

The political "spectrum" is two dimensional, with economic and personal freedom forming the two axes.  

The only reason the "far right" and "far left" look the same is because they both wind up sacrificing the freedoms the right and the left cherish in order to persecute those exercising the freedoms they hate, so you just end up with no freedom at all--an absolutist state.  The opposite of that is not centrism, it is libertarianism.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:10 | 1931970 g speed
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Wrong--Mafia will not get to powerful because in the market to be to big is to fail--unless you have insider advantage or monopoly---usually a gift from gov't. So markets that are free will (does not mean no rules -means even playing field) will be fair

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:14 | 1931993 tmosley
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No, even a partially free market works quite well, as we have seen in the 100 years since the steel foundations of the free market were replaced with the sand of the corporatist Federal Reserve.  Simply switching to fiat money was not enough to derail the economic progress of the previous era.  It took 100 years of massive government spending, and eventually, major Federal Reserve intervention in the market with increasing frequency to do that.

Unlike Communism, which only works if it is "perfect", free markets work even in the face of government intervention, but the bounty of those markets is inversely proportional to the amount of artificial intervention.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:37 | 1931794 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Unlike Keynesianism, Austrian economics does not set out to create economic policy. It exists solely to explain the actions of individuals in a free market. One can glean important policy points from what one learns from the Austrian school but it is not intended as a road map for action but rather an explanation of action.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:15 | 1931303 semperfi
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The bailouts will continue until morale improves.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:15 | 1931305 onlooker
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Is this restraint or what? There IS fire in the theater. He should scream the warning. At least he speaks out, but who will join him. Be assured it will not make ABC, CBS, NBC news.

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:15 | 1931306 KenShabby
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He has my vote.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:17 | 1931316 end da fed
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Tyler... you had me at "Ron Paul".

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:18 | 1931323 swissaustrian
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Give him some of your fiat on 12-16:

Moneybomb http://teaparty11.com/

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:19 | 1931326 williambanzai7
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Time for a lecture from some Belgian asshole.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:20 | 1931333 gbresnahan
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Americans need to boycott the US dollar.  That will never happen.  We will not emerge from this crisis until wage growth significantly outpaces (food/energy) inflation.  That will never happen either.  Stick a fork in the US, we're done.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:21 | 1931337 Milton William ...
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The similarities are getting scarier and scarier 

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:05 | 1932307 Uchtdorf
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C'mon, that old thang was proven fake years ago.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:22 | 1931342 Mark_BC
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This was not caused by government overspending, it was caused by uncontrolled wealth concentration in a game of Monopoly that has gotten out of control. It was caused by the banks' monetary system that is based on debt and requires exponential growth to function, in a world that can no longer support growth. Growth is required because the wealth of the middle class is continually stolen by the elites via the design of the monetary system. Taxes are too low for high earners; even Warren Buffett says so.

Rather than spending our tax money on finding ways to become energy independent through alternative renewable energy sources, our governments waste our money on bloated military takeovers of the rest of the world to secure more oil and to expand the bond market's empire so that even more growth can be facilitated. But globally we have hit Peak Oil and there is nowhere left to grow.

The American empire is over and nothing can change that.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:42 | 1931491 walküre
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The American empire may be over.

The Banking Empire is NOT. There is not challenge or threat to the banking cabal.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:40 | 1931808 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Government always acts to enrich those in power. There never was or will be a government responsive to the general will because the overseers will not allow it and there is no such thing as the general will.

Government is the problem. Recognition of the sovereignty of the individual is the solution.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:11 | 1931979 Abiotic Oil
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Holy crap you are brainwashed...

There should be no income taxes and entrepreneurs would develop new energy sources without government meddling.

The US government can't even balance their budget, what makes you think they would have a clue about alternative energy sources?  You don't directly state it but you show that you understand that governments can really only take money from one group and give it to another, i.e. taxpayer money given to Solyndra and GM.

Your first paragraph clearly shows though that you are a huge supporter of Ron's sound money principals as dictated by the Constitution.

You are actually a Ron Paul supporter, welcome aboard!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:23 | 1931351 Snakeeyes
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Global Central Banks "Last Tango in Paris" - "Fire up the printing presses, gang!" Or at Least Overnight Swaps Rates Were Cut 1/2%

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:23 | 1931353 Mark123
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Somebody needs to clearly state how this swap money is going to be used. Is this because the ECB could no longer "sterilize" its bond purchases (Italian, Portugal, Spain etc), so that European banks can now continue to buy bonds from ECB?  Hell, I am confused.

 

An example would be useful.

 

e.g. Deutsche bank borrows 10 billion dollars at X% for 3 month term and:

a) buys new issues of Italian govt bonds

b) buys EFSF bonds

c) buys US bank shares

d) buys ????

 

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:26 | 1931386 HumbleOpinion
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I have never posted here. Just wanted to commend Dr. Paul for stating the truth.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:27 | 1931389 madcuban
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Ask yourself who you want to see in office when all this unravels.  Who is armed with a wealth of knowledge and the conviction to make the hard decisions despite unpopularity?  Who has been consistent and correct and knows the path to return our freedom and prosperity?  The answer I come up with is Ron Paul.  What answer do you come up with?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:32 | 1931429 Dr. Engali
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I agree with you 100% but I don't think the powers that be will ever allow that to happen unless they want to pin it on him. If he gets too much momentum he may end up like Tracy Lawrence found mysteriously dead in his home.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:50 | 1932208 Joe Sixpack
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That is the answer I came up with in 2008:

http://joesixpack.me/orig_letter.html

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:28 | 1931397 Forward History
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He's been right about every point he's pretty much ever made, and is like a prophet about the market -- but no, there's no chance he could be right about America's foreign policy stance. There is no chance we could wind up saying he was right about that. Therefore, let's nominate a slick debater with scads of personal and political baggage. You know, because that guy can beat the teleprompter, and if we can just beat the teleprompter, everything will be sunshine and roses and puppy dog smiles.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:29 | 1931411 Gief Gold Plox
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But what exactly is sound money? Is it me or does that sound surprisingly like iTunes?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:33 | 1931426 xcehn
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The bailout of Europe represents the exodus of sanity.  Get to your banks and trim your accounts (there are very likely newly established minimum daily withdrawal limits).  Liquidate.  Buy PM.  Give TPTB the middle finger.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:36 | 1931454 Spastica Rex
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Minimum?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:59 | 1931586 xcehn
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yeah, alright, maximum....my brain is fried these days.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:03 | 1931606 Spastica Rex
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Me 2.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1931439 NumberNone
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Who is this Ron Paul fellow?  I've never seen him in any of the political debates.

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1931523 jay28elle
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The Machine is trying to keep him as silent as possible, and stick him over in a corner for each of the debates.  They are afraid of his in-ur-face brutal honesty about such matters as this.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:37 | 1931440 bob_dabolina
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H/T to ZH for giving this man exposure. 

This site is hands down the best source on the internet for anything based on reality. 

Grateful for this alternative news medium.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1931444 MarcusLCrassus
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Until elected officials see consequences to their actions and policy positions (read: getting primaried by a non-corporatist candidate), this will never change.  What we need is some sort of OWS-Tea Party unity party that will field candidates and primary both Democratic and Republican candidates that continue to support this madness. 

 

Tea Party has the right strategy (field primary opponents), and OWS has the passion, technological know-how, and broad support across many different demographics.  Set all other issues (i.e. wedge issues) aside and focus only reforming the political system.  Maybe have Ron Paul as the head of the party. 

The only way we will win is if we unify and forget all these wedge issues that are used to split up the 99% into warring factions. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:44 | 1931501 walküre
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"consequences"?

who is challenging them?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:35 | 1931450 jmc8888
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Monetary reform?

How about reforming away from the monetary system? 

 

Ron Paul is both very correct, and very idiotic in his statement. 

 

He's right about the fed's actions being wrong.  But any idiot knows that.

 

But here he  is claiming his VERSION of monetarism, is better than the current Keyneisan version.

 

Earth to Ron, your version of monetarism is fucking bullshit too.  Created by the oligarchy, for the oligarchy.

 

Ron 'half right, half dumbfuck' Paul needs to ditch his monetarism.  To a sane mind, he's seen as just as stupid as Ben fucking Bernanke, legitimately.

 

Ron your message would work better if you dropped the bullshit.   Mankind can utter credit, via the Credit System.  It isn't debt, and it isn't used to pay off debts.  It's used to actually do shit, which progresses mankind.  Ron Paul though, claims to be like the founding fathers, but the founding fathers created a CREDIT SYSTEM, not the Austrian monetary system.  Look at the date the Austrian school started, let alone its fucking name.   Last I checked it doesn't say American, and doesn't say 1700's.

Both Keyneisan and Austrian are anti-american and anti-human....and guess what, you don't have to choose between the two sides of bullshit.  Nor do you need to be an anti-american Austrian monetary follower to know that Ben Bernanke is destroying the country with his printing for fraudulent debt policies....and doing so worldwide.  You don't need be an Austrian bullshit fo(o)l-lower to know they Keynesians are fools as well.

Wake up Ron, quit being a fucking dipshit.  We already know Ben is hopeless, the only question is, are you as hopeless?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:38 | 1931468 Spastica Rex
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Get a brain, Moran?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:44 | 1931821 CrockettAlmanac.com
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What have you got against Joanie Cunningham?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:56 | 1931884 Spastica Rex
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Happy Days... happy days.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:44 | 1931503 Dr. Engali
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Clearly you didn't stand out on the front porch long enough. How a half wit like you got in is beyond belief. Maybe Tyler admited you for comic relief.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:44 | 1931507 technovelist
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You obviously know nothing about Austrian economics. Try reading "Man, Economy, and State" by Murray Rothbard, then get back to us.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:37 | 1931460 txpenguin
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Ron Paul?  The old loon from Texas?  Pay him no heed, little sheep!  When its time to cast your vote just pull the lever for Robama or O'Gingrich or whoever your betters have picked for you and move along.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:37 | 1931466 walküre
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The bankers rule. Plain and simple. They rule since 1913 at least.

Unless we collectively agree to take them behind the proverbial shed and shoot them in the head one by one, there is not going to be any end to this madness of their rigged paper wealth game.

That game has placed them solely in charge. That game allowed them to put puppets into political power. That game allows them to extort real wealth in exchange for paper wealth ad infinitum.

They will not loose in this game and they will not accept any challengers.

Everyone that doesn't have shyte for brains will understand. We all know what has to be done.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:40 | 1931483 americanspirit
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This means universal debt slavery for everyone living and yet to be born. In the near future you will not work for a salary, you will work for the state for the right to keep on living. Let's not forget that just on his say-so Mao was able to send everyone to the boondocks and killed those who resisted. What? We've got constitutional rights and protections? Can't possibly happen here? Think again. And you better be very good at making little rocks out of big ones or they won't be wasting any food on your sorry ass. Move somewhere safe? What ever happened to that great old saying "You can run but you can't hide." That would be anywhere on planet Earth, my friends. Whatcha gonna do when they come for you, bad boyz?

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:41 | 1931487 surf0766
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So we are stuck at 398-402 range... What is next? How much will they print tomorrow to get a 10 handle increase?

I love $6.00 gas

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:42 | 1931488 adr
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This wonderful bailout has driven bankrupt American Airlines up 47% in one day. Sure if you owned it last week you lost your pants but the best play anybody can make is to buy a company filing for bankruptcy after the news is published and the stock tanks. Take your quick money and go party.

I wonder how many insiders bought AMR last night before the green shoot bukakke this morning?

God this market is retarded. A giant fed stick save is going to bring American Airlines bank from the brink.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:43 | 1931499 dexter_morgan
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Ron Paul ........ the gold standard in statesmen.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:44 | 1931502 Dr. Gonzo
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Dr. Gonzo prediction on Ron Paul:

"Ron Paul wins Iowa in landslide during record below zero January tempertures. Media gives all coverage to the distant 2nd place winner."

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:10 | 1931635 Plata con Carne
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10 below zero, with 10 inches of snow on the ground...Ron Paul supporters will be there.  He will win Iowa.  Then Iowa will become a non-state.

 

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:15 | 1931678 OpenEyes
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Bill O'Reilly will declare him disqualified because his supporters were too organized and they flooded the polling places. The win will go to the second place finisher who the media will have deemed 'electable'.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:50 | 1931504 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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25th section, section four of the Constitution proves we can impeach Obama, says Larouche.  Can we get some lawyers on this please?

Cutting a head off the Hydra may not kill the Beast, but it makes for a good show.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:44 | 1931510 razorthin
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If Jefferson were alive today, he'd be rolling over in his grave.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:45 | 1931825 Peter Pan
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If he were alive he would not BE in his grave.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 21:57 | 1933495 razorthin
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Oh dude, you missed the joke.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:47 | 1931834 CrockettAlmanac.com
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If Jefferson was alive today he'd be rolling over on Sally Hemmings.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 22:27 | 1933576 TheFourthStooge-ing
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If Jefferson were alive today, he'd be sure to take some of the bastards with him.

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:47 | 1931527 Odin
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Ron Paul 2012

 

Ahem...Bitchez...

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:48 | 1931533 cocoablini
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All I have to say is:

http://olectible.wordpress.com/

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:51 | 1931540 Elwood P Suggins
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Ron Paul is out there screaming

 

While Bernanke is out there scheming

 

Print dollars by the ton

 

'Til we've got them on the run

 

And B O is second term dreaming

 

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:00 | 1931588 LookingWithAmazement
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If intervention does not work, why does it then?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:27 | 1931744 SMG
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Intervention only delays, does not solve, and ultimately makes the final outcome much worse.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:49 | 1931846 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Intervention is intended to work for those who intervene, not for those who are intervened upon. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 22:32 | 1933586 TheFourthStooge-ing
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TrollingWithBewilderment spit up on his keyboard the following:

If intervention does not work, why does it then?

Fuck your face in the ass. Seriously.

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 19:37 | 1931592 Temporalist
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Stevie Wonder made a song about Benlloyd Bernakfein:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL5wei4phz0&feature=related

 

Mistra Know It All

He's a man. With a plan, Got a counterfeit dollar in his hand, He's Misstra Know-It-All

Playin' hard, Talkin' fast, Makin' sure that he won't be the last, He's Misstra Know-It-All

Makes a deal, With a smile, Knowin' all the time that his lie's a mile, He's Misstra Know-It-All

Must be seen, There's no doubt, He's the coolest one with the biggest mouth, He's Misstra Know-It-All

If you tell him he's livin' fast, He will say what do you know, If you had my kind of cash, You'd have more than one place to go oh

Any place, He will play, His only concern is how much you'll pay, He's Misstra Know-It-All

If he shakes, On a bet, He's the kind of dude that won't pay his debt, He's Misstra Know-It-All

When you say that he's livin wrong, He'll tell you he knows he's livin' right
And you'd be a stronger man, If you took Misstra Know-lt-All's advice oh oh

He's the man, With a plan, Got a counterfeit dollar in his hand, He's Misstra Know-It-All

Take my word, Please beware, Of a man that just don't give a care no, He's Misstra Know-It-All (Look out he's coming)
He's Misstra Know-It-All

Can this line, Take his hand, Take your hat off to the man who's got the plan, He's Misstra Know-It-All

Every boy take your hand, To the man that's got the plan, He's Misstra Know-It-All

Give a hand to the man, That you know he's got the plan, He's Misstra Know-It-All

Give a hand to the man, Don't you know darn well he's got the super plan, He's Misstra Know-It-All

Give a hand to the man, You know damn well he's got the super plan, He's Misstra Know-It-All

If we had less of him, Don't you know we'd have a better land, He's Misstra Know-It-All

So give a hand to the man, Although you've given out as much as you can, He's Misstra Know-It-All

Check his sound out, He'll tell it all, Hey You talk too much you worry me to death, He's Misstra Know-It-All 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:02 | 1931598 alien-IQ
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Perhaps somebody already thought of this...I know there are some quick minds here on ZH. I just got in now and I'm catching up on news but...

Has anybody considered the possibility that the strings attached to this funding may be in the form of European countries getting "on board" with a US invasion of Iran?

If you start seeing Embassies close in Iran...consider that a serious warning. And right now...France has recalled it's Ambassador to Iran for "consultations".

just a thought.....

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:04 | 1931611 Spastica Rex
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Interesting thought.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:26 | 1931743 alien-IQ
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With events of this magnitude...timing is never a coincidence.

Considering the timing of the:

1) Riot and burning of the British embassy in Iran.

2) The "bailout" announcement this morning.

3) France recalling their ambassador to Iran later in the day.

4) The US and Israels recently louder than usual saber rattling about Iran.

The US need allies. The EU needs dollars. All the makings of a quid pro quo situation exist.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:06 | 1931942 UgglyBetty
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Indeed. Sort of: just when we were doing so well, Iran stepped in and ruined everything.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 16:53 | 1932235 Joe Sixpack
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Scary thought. Nothing a banking autocracy loves more than war.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 17:13 | 1932358 sockcutter moto...
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i agree completely. lets tag team ori until he retreats in disgrace

 

FIGHT CLUB NIGGAS U READY TO GET OFF UR FAT ASSES AND TAKE THE OLD MEN HERE OUT OF their COMFORT ZONE??

 

williambanzai seven and robottrader are GODS

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:05 | 1931613 TheAkashicRecord
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Federal Reserve appeaser / RP hit piece in Time

(I realize it's Time, but some insightful comments would help the people who pay serious attention to this, probably the same people that were stomping on each others' faces over $2 waffle makers)

http://tiny.cc/0tojc

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 15:10 | 1931636 gserhan
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So Oblivious said on monday that we are ready to help Europe.  Two days later Donkey number two bArnidke turns on the printing press.

what a coincidence!  so now we swap euros and dollars.  How convenient!  what happens when these two donkeys are booted out 1/20/2013?

who is going to bail us out for our irresponsible printing?  the Krouts?  The Scotts?  oh wait, wait, the ancient greeks and roman empires

will be resurrected, and they will bail us out.  Bravo!   I am shorting this rally.... It ought to lose just about all it gained by the close!

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