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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:07 | 2191641 Tsunami Wave
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Change you probably can't believe in because it's too awful to actually believe it.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:06 | 2191642 OMG
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It is a slope......It is a slope of hope

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:12 | 2191652 earleflorida
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as long as america can keep the 'free world' barefoot and pregnant, we have a long enough timeline to die before the chinese make us their coolies 

 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:12 | 2191653 TheSilverJournal
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At looks like the slope of that blue line is about to turn negative and the slope of that red line is about to break out higher.

TheSilverJournal.com

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:13 | 2191657 Seasmoke
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looks like a heat seeking missle hitting its target

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:14 | 2191658 Piranhanoia
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slippery.  a  hey,  ooooooooooooo

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:21 | 2191673 Stuck on Zero
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Use GAAP debt please.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:00 | 2191765 thedrickster
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Balance sheet, we don't need no stinking on balance sheet liabilities. Bitchez.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:28 | 2191691 palmereldritch
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The patient's chart is disturbing   Dr. Martin Van Nostrand says, Prognosis: Negative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPsC60eLpxE

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:27 | 2191692 rsnoble
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Looks like a chart of my alcohol intake since 2007.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:28 | 2191697 rsnoble
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Oh, and my blood pressure.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:04 | 2191854 Big Corked Boots
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Nahhh, it's my waistline.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:32 | 2191702 jomama
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damn it feels good to be a banksta

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:59 | 2191848 Vic Vinegar
Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:36 | 2191713 Head_Shots_Work
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I like how the pretty lines crossed on Groundhogs Day. Surely I'm just living the dream, the dream, the dream...

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:42 | 2191729 Dr. Engali
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The empire just had to crumble in my life time. The fucker could have waited another 40 years, but nooooooooo it has to crumble now.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:50 | 2191748 The Shootist
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WiiFailed.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:19 | 2191787 A Lunatic
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Another forty years and I'll be drooling my oatmeal and shitting my pants........send in the Fat Lady all fucking ready.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:45 | 2191835 Agent P
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Circle of life. 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:19 | 2192161 Ghordius
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who said it was going to crumble? it might just decline for another two hundred years

look at Brazil, just had another hyperinflation a few years ago, now rosy-cheeked and enterprising...

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:30 | 2192214 Dr. Engali
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The United states is too Balkanized to withstand a slow crumble. Brazil at least has the cohesivness of a common heritage. When a simple mistake in a sports page causes an uproar and forces the writer to lose his job,and new guidelines to be released about how one is to write. That kind of political correctness coupled with the economic pain we are going to feel is going to come to a head. the U. S. will turn on itself.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:16 | 2192280 Calmyourself
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Good, when a society is ruled by the lowest statists and nanny state speech police it is time for a change. The vigorous debates we will have regarding the restructuring of our society will be painful but are absolutely necessary.  Most of you here are of a similar mindset, prepare for the vigorous debate society which will sooner or later spring up of its own volition.

Tempus Fugit

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 10:02 | 2192360 Dr. Engali
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Tempus Neminem Manet

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:59 | 2191762 thedrickster
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Evil speculators.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:00 | 2191763 dwdollar
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iCross

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:26 | 2191780 walstudio
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Tyler is so desperate, why not just rename the site to www.zerobullish.com ?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:25 | 2191796 Agent P
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Don't cross the streams.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:41 | 2191826 thedrickster
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Egon!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:49 | 2191837 Falcon15
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Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 05:53 | 2192120 Wakanda
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"We used to roast Stay-Puft marshmallows by the fire at Camp Wakanda." - Dr. Raymond Stantz

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:27 | 2191801 goldencrumbs
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I'm in for 10:30am.  Took the kids a block over to watch the presidential motorcade in action.  Barack was having dinner/fundraiser with a neighbor/lobbyist and all the sheeple walked their kids/labradors over to watch the spectical with glass of pino in hand. Quite lovely.  Lots of flashing lights and guys with sunglasses.

So hard to read what's really going on when neighbors (some good people) still want to be proud of our country.  Don't even get me started on the kids. 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:42 | 2191820 cranky-old-geezer
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I'd love to see this chart since ... oh, say ... 1950ish.  I suspect that red line would be more parabolic in the last few years. 

Parabolically increasing debt is the financial end game for anyone, from individual all the way up to national government.

You print and print to fund more debt, debasing the currency to nothing (hyperinflation), or you say fuck the debt and just don't pay it, but then you can't borrow any more money.

So the currency collapses or the government collapses (because the government simply cannot reduce spending).

Which means currency collapse is our future.

P.S.  I'm waiting for MDB to come in saying debt doesn't matter, we gotta keep spending to help the economy recover.   :)

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:16 | 2191836 sitenine
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You print and print to fund more debt, debasing the currency to nothing (hyperinflation), or you say fuck the debt and just don't pay it, but then you can't borrow any more money.

Um, yes, but borrowing is the whole problem right?  So, how is not being able to borrow a problem here exactly?  You say, "fuck the debt", and you live in your means.  It's not rocket science.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 05:48 | 2192118 SoCalBusted
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Yes, would like to see log scale chart

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:39 | 2191822 njrod
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It's all good. We owe it to ourselves...

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:40 | 2191825 dark pools of soros
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a thousand words or a trillion bernucks

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:42 | 2191829 Bunga Bunga
Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:19 | 2191862 Die Weiße Rose
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Berlin's 'Position Has not Changed'

On Wednesday, German Finance Minister Schäuble said: does my wheel-chair look like a helicopter ?

Is my first and last name Ben Bernank or do I look like the charity of saint Mother Theresa ?

The answer is NO if you still know what "NO" means !

So you can all just go behind that Greek IMF firewall  - mix the vinegar, lemon juice, oregano, and thyme in a bowl, Season, slowly whisk in the oil. Place chicken in a bowl and ease that Chicken souvlaki up Lagardes Geitner.

Part of the resistance in Berlin is due to the fact that Merkel is facing a tough vote in the Bundestag, Germany's parliament, next week over the second bailout package for Greece. A least six parliamentarians belonging to Merkel's governing coalition have said they would oppose the bailout in Monday's vote.

Both the United States and the IMF have argued that Europe should pay more.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert insisted on Wednesday that Germany sees no need to increase the size of the permanent ESM. "The German government's position has not changed," he said. "That means no, it is not necessary." Berlin has noted that market pressure on bond markets for countries like Italy and Spain has eased in recent weeks and that it is currently unnecessary to increase the size of the bailout fund.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,817152,00.html

wr;)

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:23 | 2192164 Ghordius
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by the way, White Rose, pigs can't fly and your's is probably doing unspeakable things with that euro sign ;-)

both the US and the IMF think Germany can be squeezed much more! we'll see...

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:12 | 2191865 slewie the pi-rat
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whoa!

time to "raise the margins" on the red team!  L0L!!!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:37 | 2191886 sitenine
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;)

Time to invest heavily in the 3X total debt EFT (i.e. the phyz).

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:39 | 2191887 nah
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so we have a classic style economy based on a world empire resting below a government that produces credit

.

and its the end of the world

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 02:22 | 2191919 geekgrrl
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I get to use my favorite line: the data speaks for itself.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 02:29 | 2191926 Tom Green Swedish
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Lets do some lines. Don't forget Keynes was all for aristocracy. The red line is good. Debt is money and money is debt. And money is more important than production.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 04:55 | 2192039 Sandmann
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Aristocracy means Rule of The Best.....a long time since we had that.  We have Ochlocracy - Rule by the Mob or Kakistocracy - Rule of The Worst

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 10:55 | 2192546 falak pema
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Kakistrophic!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:04 | 2191956 upb
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QE is the end of what we now know   http://tinyurl.com/7tu9qov

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:40 | 2191992 Element
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It takes a shitload of real pork to keep shoving nominal GDP to go even higher and to maintain a nominal 'growth' illusion ... or is it delusion?

It takes more and more pressure (M1) to inflate the bubble each pseudo-'budget'.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 04:05 | 2192013 The Alarmist
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Shouldn't that actually read "Total GDP versus total Federal Debt" ??? If that were total debt (Fed, Local, & private), GDP would start to look like a flat line at one quarter of the scale.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 04:05 | 2192015 reutersanalyst
Fri, 02/24/2012 - 05:18 | 2192066 falak pema
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the red one looks like the Hahnenkamm, the blue like the nursery slope; which one would you ski on?

Hahnenkamm, Kitzbühel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even the Hahn looks easy in summer!

Morality : The banksta slope of debt is dangerous but ooooooh so much fun if you get your bonuss at the end!

The nursery slope is for the sheeple, long slog and dull plod up the hill. And when you get to the top you find out that the only way down is on the red one! They've closed the blue run and declared you debt run slave forever! Since 2008! 

The biggest shyster Madoffish deal ever invented in Land of Freedom and surrogate Eurozone : Privatise 25 T profits, socialise 25 T debts, getting bigger every day! Now that is Kapitalism...Das, Das, Das Kapital! Ask the Greeks about that. 

Bitchezzzzzzzz!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 05:26 | 2192109 FunkyOldGeezer
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From NY Federal Bank

 

Scam Involving Yohannes Riyadi and/or Wilfredo Saurin
November 2007

The Federal Reserve is aware of a fraudulent scam involving individuals using the names Yohannes Riyadi and/or Wilfredo Saurin, or persons claiming to be representatives of these two men. In a typical version of this scam, Mr. Riyadi and/or his delegates falsely claim that they have on deposit with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York several U.S. Treasury Checks issued to Mr. Riyadi amounting to billions of dollars.

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York has been contacted by several brokers and financial institutions worldwide inquiring about the validity of this fraudulent account documentation, which is being offered as collateral for lines of credit or other types of asset based financing. The fraudulent scheme includes multiple documents which purport to have the signatures of various Federal Reserve officials, including Chairman Ben Bernanke.

In some instances, individuals involved in this fraudulent scheme claim to have met with Federal Reserve officials and claim to have verified that the alleged account is in order. We have also learned that the fraud may include the purchase of certain documents by the introducing brokers.

If you have information regarding this fraud please contact either Robert Amenta, Special Investigator at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, or Erik Rosenblatt, Senior Special Agent at the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 06:01 | 2192126 Wakanda
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On a long enough time line all non parallel slopes cross at least once.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:48 | 2192330 WmMcK
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But what does that mean if the lines are divergent and the intersection point is in the past? Just asking.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 06:06 | 2192128 peekcrackers
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red and blue make purple

kool aid anyone ?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 06:46 | 2192139 Catullus
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If you're a Keynesian, you look at this chart and say "look what would have happened had we not increased the debt!"

$3 trillion in new debt buys you $400bn in GDP even though government spending is a part of GDP.  How's that possible?  Because the entitlement programs are eating most of the debt raises.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:01 | 2192150 GubbermintWorker
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I am really a novice when it comes to econonmics, does the central banks buying government debt add to the debt or to the gdp?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:30 | 2192171 Sandmann
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You are - buy Samuelson and read up. Debt does not add or subtract from GDP - it is simply an IOU. What you do with the IOU is what changes GDP. If the Central Bank buys Debt it depends how it finances the Buying - whether by raising taxes to pay for buying or by issuing more Credit to facilitate Buying.

If you buy a car on 84 months payment plan are you better able to spend on eating out than if you buy it Cash ?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:46 | 2192184 GubbermintWorker
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At least I admit to being ignorant, unlike others here ;-)  Thanks for the advice and little lesson!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:05 | 2192152 disabledvet
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Is that Government debt? And Government GDP? Go ahead...short away then. "Certainly these people can't complain about there being lack of a free market."

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:21 | 2192158 Monedas
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The "tufted" benches of the House of Lords look comfortable ! In Tijuana, tufted upholstery can be filled with infectious medical waste, used sanitary napkins, tampons and the ubiquitous panty liners bundled by knotted used condoms ! I assume in the House of Lords they use virgin wool bundled with knotted cat gut ?  Monedas  2012   Rampant inflation has unexpected consequences !

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:50 | 2192185 Die Weiße Rose
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GDP Blue line: Rate of climb is 10 degrees over 3 years (2009-2012)

Debt Red line: Rate of climb is 20 degrees over 3 years (2009-2012)

US Debt to GDP Ratio is 2:1 over last 3 years (2009-2012) 

in other words:

the US has spend twice as much as it made over the last 3 years...

US Debt is climbing at a rate of 200% to US income (GDP)

tick-tock watch:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

wr;)

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:02 | 2192194 JustZaFakz
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THIS is a great idea.

 
Let's go even further.   If every day, somehow, a large number of tweets and facebook accounts can pummel a different topic that affects the flash trading algorithms, those algorithms will soon be rendered worthless and we'll get back to honest trading that lets the retail trader have a fair shake once again.  But I have no idea how to coordinate this...I just am tagging onto the idea above.

  

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:09 | 2192197 overmedicatedun...
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blockbuster closing store in my town..seems things are improving for those poor souls working there as they can step up to snap cards and UE for 99 weeks.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:23 | 2192207 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Nice graph.   Back at the ball game :  Euro UP,  US futes UP....  The bankster team continues to light up the scoreboard.  Another happy weekend for "Ma and Pa Dowwatcher" on tap. 

 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:45 | 2192231 sbenard
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A picture worth a thousand TEARS!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:46 | 2192232 Lazane
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Join us says Obamy, up up and away....

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:51 | 2192240 sbenard
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LOL! Thanks for a chuckle.

Could I suggest a small modification?

"...up, up, and over the cliff!"

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:48 | 2192233 sbenard
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Now that's a real wall of worry!

Calamity is certainty! Plan and prepare accordingly!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:08 | 2192268 ebworthen
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That chart is getting saved to the "Depression/Collapse" folder on the hard drive.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:40 | 2192319 FLUSA.com
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Can't be true...just left the Florida Mall in Orlando and hundreds of people are lined up to pay $220 for newly released Nikes....now bare in mind they planned to sell them yesterday but the crowed turned violent and called in the cops dressed in riot gear no less...every news network in town is in place hoping for the retail circle jerk to begin!!!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:41 | 2192322 Alex Kintner
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Stairway to Hellven.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:44 | 2192327 jubilee444
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9-11-01 WORLD TRADE CENTER collapse

9-11-08 WORLD TRADE collapse

SIGNS FROM GOD

www.bible-codes.org

 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:59 | 2192351 Miss Expectations
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I was looking for a piste noire sign...found something called Line Rider...Here's Jagged Peak Adventure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcu8ZdJ2dQo&feature=related

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 10:01 | 2192356 mpelbidu1447
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Can you do a similiar chart with global GDP and debt?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 11:05 | 2192589 _ConanTheLibert...
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It's time to tweet! KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL CRASH!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 11:06 | 2192599 Zymurguy
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Dropped a few comments on MW re: tweets of a greek default... heheheheh.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 11:28 | 2192679 Zymurguy
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Holy shit... DOW dropped 30pts in a heartbeat... yikes!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 23:39 | 2194968 palmereldritch
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Interesting that it only recovered two-thirds of that loss in the following 30 minutes which indicates the algos/system cannot account for random/planned entropy.  Too fucking funny. Nice experiment and still a loss for the day which on a Friday probably was not the plan...

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