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Two Charts Exposing America's Record Shadow Welfare State
There was a little mentioned tangent to last Friday's very disappointing NFP print of +115,000 (driven by a surge in temp jobs offsetting a collapse in full time positions): as David Rosenberg notes, the jobs number was about half of another far more important number - that of Americans applying for disability, which in April was +225,000. He continues: "this is the new stealth stimulus program - so far in 2011, nearly one million Americans have applied for disability and year-to-date, 333k have actually enrolled (covering 539k family members). In total, more than five million people have been added to disability coverage since President Obama took over three years ago." The punchline will make all those who adore (insolvent) welfare states shake with giddy delight: "So look - either safety standards at work have eroded dramatically or the "99%" have found a creative way to milk the system and turn the economy into a quasi welfare state".... Yup. What he said. Because remember: the BLS assumes that any amount up to the total 53 million people, is not in the labor force as they have other "wefare" based forms of government handouts and see no need at all to look for a job. Is there any wonder why US unemployment is realistically 20% if not much higher? As for the other chart, food stamps, we know that story all too well.
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And it's too easy to get on disability.
Actually it is probably the most difficult, and denied to people who really should have it.
Compared to Welfare, food stamps, and gov housed subsidy, it is the worst.
Partially agree... hardly anybody gets through without a lawyer ... I guess that's a subsidy for the legal industry!
Okay, I live in a small aging old industrial town. As I have gotten older, I have watched many of those jobs go away. So what happens to the people? Well, the above story NAILS IT! They apply for disability.
I see this all around me. We have a fairly large 6 story apartment building built back in the 70s as senior citizen housing. But now in the 21st century it is nearly all occupied by local disability claiments.
Now this town is 100% white, so no minority bashing! In a town of only 3,000 people, this building houses about 80 disability claiments all of working age. Most in their 50's. Once a 50 year old loses a job, it is usually over for them. So they file for disability and move into subsidized housing.
I see this all around me, disability is the fastest growing career in my area. And that ain't no BS either!
Yes this happened in the UK as others have said. The thing is though it actually started under Margaret Thatcher when the old nationalised industries were rightly shut down. It was definitley used to keep unemployment down then and New Labour copied the idea.
The USA is experiencing what the UK went through in the early 1980s with manufacturing jobs being lost overseas. Some places in the UK have never recovered after 30 years. Including the town I live.
wot, y'didnae take ole Norman Tebbit's advice & git on yer bike, go look for work??
bootstraps!! pull 'em up!!
Yeah, right - tell that to the four 58 to 62 year old women that just got laid off when a small outfit went belly up in our small town.
Hint: No fucking body is hiring old folks - i.e. anybody over 55.
This system is mostly socialism for the bankers and capitalism for the rest of us, so let us blame all the older laid-off working poor for breaking the system by just trying to make it to Social Security age...
As long as Jon Corzine is walking the streets a free person, I don't wanna hear about the laid off folks 'cheating the system' by applying for disability. Fuck - talk about aiming in the wrong direction.
As long as Jon Corzine is walking the streets a free person, I don't wanna hear about the laid off folks 'cheating the system' by applying for disability.
A-freaking-men! Not only is he walking the streets a free man, he's still bundling campaign cash for Ofail! Is this a great country or what?
'Meet your fund-raising quota, Jon, and we can arrange for your sealed indictment to expire unserved.'
dude, did you not catch the sarcasm in my wording?
I was replying to someone who experienced the Thatcher years, and apparently cheered them - when in fact, it was a systemic theft of decades of the people's work and contributions sold off to the corporate bidders, ala IMF restructuring ongoing globally.
here's the dodgy dude I'm talking about, Norman "on yer bike" Tebbit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Norman_Tebbit_Edinburgh_University_Pol...
let's just say, it was a popular meme in 80's Britain. . .
I absolutely agree that "no one" is going to hire an older person right now, with all the baggage of "health care" insurance that is imposed.
"no one" is going to hire an older person right now, with all the baggage of "health care" insurance that is imposed"
Nobody is going to hire an elder person even if there was no "health care" insurance liability. Typical sign for employment in former USSR during hyperinflation and some period after it featured pretty much always a phrase "people over 40 need not apply".
I moved into my house which is next to such a housing complex ten years ago. The old folks were fine but the newer crop of tenants leave something to be desired. The cops broke down one guy's door and busted him for heroin and he was back in two weeks. He's been caught stealing as well.
Amerian corporations made $824.5 billion last year, an all time record
#communism #fascism #kindofthesamefuckingthing
no communism, fascism arent the same thing. Many people are just too stupid to understand the diference between, socialism, fascism, etc..
Gotsta love the isms!
jism on the 'isms
You are right, in one, they take from productive people and give to party members (and kill you if you complain, or if they don't like you), while in the other they take from productive people and give to party members (and kill you if you complain, or if they don't like you), but use different words to describe what they are doing.
Yes, let us let words dictate our understanding, rather than the actions of the people in question.
Yeah people think Obama is a socialist, But he is clearly a fascist.
as was George W Bush, as is Romney, and as are many other politicians.
(do you think ... maybe it'd be good if Romney ran as President with Obama as the Vice ... or visa-versa, whatever ...)
He's both. The Power Elite's game plan is a Hegelian synthesis. The NWO is one part Cultural Marxism, one part Economic Fascism. Left, right, left, right--goes the cadence of tyranny.
So tell me, Winston, which boot is on your throat today?
"The NWO is one part Cultural Marxism, one part Economic Fascism. Left, right, left, right"
That not left, right. That's left and left + !!
Free Markets = Liberty
A Fascist is a Socialist opposed to Communism. So Obama is technically not a Fascist.
You're demonstrating a disturbing lack of understanding. I'd suggest trying to express some worthwhile and honest sentiment, and leaving all them big fancy words alone.
Teach me Professor. Tell me how a Fascist is not a Socialist and why the Fascists fought the Communists in WWII . Tell me the difference between the Fascist view on bourgeois-proletarian conflict and the Socialist view.
Socialism is when the government asserts control over certain industries at the demand of the electorate--the "voters" or "citizens" or "subjects" or whatever you want to call them.
Fascism is when the government asserts control over certain industries at the demand of private interests--the "businesses" or "nobles" or "ethnics."
It's a pretty major difference. Most folks are nowhere near dumb enough to fail to recognize it. Perhaps you're an exception, I dunno. You don't seem to have much to say so it's tough to guess.
I still don’t see much difference as they both control Banking, Industry, etc. and trump the welfare of the “national community” over individual rights.
I don’t agree with your definition of Fascism. You speak as if the citizenry was subjected by private interests (Corps) into Fascism rather than electing it. To me, it’s a different version of Socialism with emphasis on National identity and Cultural Nationalization. It’s an attempt to join all “classes” into a proletarian national culture. Both are centrally planned Govts. that view property rights and individual liberty as inconsequential. You’re probably not an American but have a look at Hillsdales Constitution 101 course and you can see the brilliance of the document and why it stands as a obstacle against Tyranny. . I also recommend you read the 5000 year leap by cleon skousen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOfaBy-vEZo&feature=player_embedded
If you're rephrasing the Marxist view--that both Fascism and Socialism are competing oligarchies--I'd say you have a point.
But you've got it wrong about how politics work in a republic. "The people" don't elect *policies*, they elect representatives. The people don't get a vote on policies. If the people had a veto, our government would probably be 30% of its current size.
I'm a natural born American citizen, so you've got that bit wrong too.
As for the Constitution, unfortunately, it's not relevant. Once it transitioned from being a positive assertion of what powers the government can legitimately wield to being a vague "mission statement" about weighing the competing interests between individuals and businesses, it was all over.
As brilliant as you say it is as a document, it's just a document. It was a fantastic success, and it got us HERE. Well, whaddaya expect from something written hundreds of years ago by a pack of liberals?
Pack of Liberals? Is Ron Paul a Liberal? Classic liberal, perhaps. But "Modern liberals" like yourself, Michael Moore, Shawn Penn, Obama, Soros ect. are really just a bunch of Saul Alinsky Progressives. You hide under the name liberal but there's nothing liberal about you. Nanny State control freaks regulating us into oblivion is what you are, while knocking capitalism and saying the Constitution is irrelevant.
The Founding Fathers were the guys who started the American Revolution. Anti-monarchist, religiously tolerant, and resoundingly in favor of the liberal principles of the time.
The Constitution itself was republican, egalitarian, and deigned to assert that using logic and rationality was the best approach to designing government.
There were a few conservatives among them. Which ones, you think? What'd they contribute that are your favorite parts?
Why do Bloods fight Crips? You think these people are ideologically opposed to each other, or that they are simply want the competition out, and dan't care about the means taken to do it?
How they "feel" is irrelevent. What they do is what matters.
How did they do it under a communist Muslim president from Kenya?
I'm serious, how did they record those profits under state socialism?
I suggest we all go long corporate stocks as Romeny plans to drop the communism and turn corporations free to make some profit again.
This all doesn't add up. Communism, Socialism, record high corporate taxes = recoprd profits? ? ?
its simple, the people who call this admin socialist are inbred uneducated motherfuckers who wouldnt know a spreadsheet from a used lottery ticket. This admin is all about status quo which is all about corporatism.
Yep! That is 100% correct in every way. It's all a head fake. Obama is in bed with the Banks, the Corporate Interests and the Military Industrial Complex.
All the evidence points to this being true. The Rush Limbaugh crowd are too inbred and drug addicted, like Rush, to know what is going on.
Useful idiots for the corporate elites.
"in bed with" (aka control of) the Banks, the Corporate Interests and the Military Industrial Complex. Is the definition of Socialism, Einstein.
raised on commie pinko communism fear & hatred, so as to wave a local flag, no one's going to be able to extract that knee-jerk from it's deeply embedded head space. . .
and then again, at this stage, maybe we don't need to name the baby as much as throw it out with the bath water.
The world's most infamous fascists refered to themselves as National Socialists.
Thank you Crockett. For historical accuracy, I might add...
Who were sponsored to fight Stalin's National Socialists, after he went off the reservation and purged Trotsky's International Socialists.
I don't know whats worse...straight line communists or national socialists.
Maybe if Engels wouldn't have sent Marx cut up pound notes because he couldn't trust even him to spend his allowance all at once, the "elite thinkers" would have learned a valuable lesson.
And the world be much better off.
Large multinational corporations like GE, IBM, XOM, BP, TOYOTA are recognized as SOVERIGNS in their own right and operate without loyality to their home country's foreign policy, tax policies, laws, etc.
The WS "Profits" are all from money printing.
How did they do it under a communist Muslim president from Kenya?
If your refer to the Mulatto, he is a Fascist, not a Commie.(YET)
How about another chart showing how the volume and commodities confirm rally. LOL
No way man... Equities to the moon baby! Equities to the moon!
Just like student loans for younger potential workers, disability payments are a place to park marginal older workers who aren't likely to be employable in a high-cost labor market (SS, worker's comp, liablity risk). Higher costing labor is the US's very own Eurozone, an imaginary economic construct that some people think woould make for a better world, but goes against both economics and human nature.. To no avail.
Its not going to last, isn't SS disability going under 2016?
agreed that .gov fiat is being spread around like the shit it is, just wanted to note that the "student loans" are also going to mid-career U-turns, "retraining" for a new marketplace, blahblahblah - there are a lot of folks in their 30's & 40's squeezing into those tiny college desks nowadays. . .
fascinating !! :)
this is exactly what happened in the UK about 10 yrs back.
It was used by the socialist gov to keep unemployment stats down ( along with record hiring of public employees).
the Blair/Brown economic miracle in action !!!!
Indeed. New Labour used disability to drop unemployment by putting half of Britain on benefits and hired the other half to hand out the benefits.
New Labour destroyed the UK as a viable nation. It is now Europes dumping ground for beneftis scrounges from across Europe and Africa and the Middle East. Not to mention India and Pakistan.
Brown and Blair should be executed as traitors.
"New Labour" was a seamless transition from Maggie's Farm, where the national assets were sold off to pump up the system books, where "the Big Bang" in the City (ohh, the irony in that label, how they must have chortled) began the latest financial class pillage, where oil off the coast of Scotland was sucked dry and used to pay for even more bureaucrats - and a Falklands rousing of the masses. . . oh, and Gordon sold yer gold, right on schedule, for his string-pullers.
that Tony was best friends forever with Dubya, and went on to emulate Clinton's lucrative speechifying career, with fistfuls of crony "member of the board" seats and titles, is your tell - they don't have sides, there is no divide "up there" where they prosper - the only divide is an artificial one installed in people's minds. . .
Too true. The goddamn old witch Thatcher would never have survived as British PM if she had not walked into the windfall of North Sea oil revenues.
I actually was up in the Shetlands for a time in the early 80s when that oil was coming on line. Met a lot of rig workers going back and forth on the Ferry service.
Thatcher was a lucky old hag, if not for North Sea Oil she would have collapsed Britain into a thrid world country with nice country pubs and the elite 1% still living nicely, but most of Britain would have been a waste land. Thatcher thought she was smart, Bull Shit! It was the oil that rescued that bitch!
while I have zero positive feelings for Thatcher, I acknowledge that she played her role of jobsworth to the hilt. . .
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jobsworth
(definition for those who don't speak Brit)
she dismantled the miners, the shipyards manufacturing, etc. and traded it in for. . . traders, in the miracle mile of The City, a rich target squeezed into such a small space. . . if you catch my drift ^^
if you screw over people, they dont simply go away. The rich never seem to get that. Keep fucking over the regular folks, they'll get more and more creative and desperate until finally, they are at your doorsteps.
i have buffet on my 'celebrity death watch' for barrons 2012 forecast game....statistically speaking, when youre 80 (or whatever) it could happen at any moment.
never under-estimate the longevity of the evil at the top - look at Cheney - they want to stick around for the fireworks they've worked towards all their (stinking) lives, organs will be harvested! death be damned!!
I get food stamps but they don't pay the bills. My parents do that.
TOO funny!
Stupid parents feel they must "help".
"Failure" is not allowed.
You are their greatest embarrassment.
Hey Mom and Dad, send some more moola. I need to get groceries (dope). I need to get my i-crap up-d. I need, I need, I need.............
I watched 'What About Bob'? a couple of weeks ago...
'I need, I need, I need'!
'OK, OK'...
Too funny!
Dot you would be one starving child if you were my child. Told mine long ago sink or swim your an adult now! Now I spoil my grand daughter and send her home to them! Such sweet revenge!
If you didn't give your children any tools and then you tell them "sink or swim you're and adult now", and to boot, now you're spoiling your grandkids also? That's terrible parenting. Don't be surprised if your kids send you off to a nursing home in your old age. That's gonna be their sweetest revenge.
But then GCT will get to apply for welfare, disability, etc and run up huge debt that the kids will shoulder.
Can i get a degree in disability?
Not a bad idea. Is it possible to use welfare debit cards to pay for student loans?
14k a year. Have at it. You act as if these people are living high on the hog or something.
I don't know if I consider an iPad or two "high on the hog". The good part is that Gazelle offers decent buy back rates for aging tech. At least the new version will be less out of pocket - assuming of course they "reinvest" their old tech.
It's not the amount you steal, it's the stealing itself that's the outrage.
14K+ per year for how many years? For how many generations? For how many increasing numbers of parasites? Requiring how many unionized goverment administrators to oversee the leeching? And how many State-sponsored economists and sociologists to study the problem? And how many tax-funded panels to round table and recommend additional mandates? And how many correctional officers to incarcerate the inevitable failures? I could go on.
But--finally, how many working victims must be sacrificed, before the bleeding stops?
It adds up. To bankster and MIC levels? beyond? Let's not quibble over numbers. I say enough. The leeching ends, or civilization does.
this amuses me
Can we adjust this to per capita? Thanks.
Do these welfare bubbles take as long to deflate as they do to inflate?
We're DOOMED!
Go on YouTube and type mini daddy watch that video and it confirms we are doomed I'll keep loading magazines while it continues to crumble
I'm not arguing with you, because I think we are doomed, but how does that little rapper guy confirm it?
Can anyone tell me if this information is published and updated on Bloomberg Terminal? I was unable to locate most recent data, and would appreciate some help. Thanks!
Oh ! SNAP
Recovery Summer - Part III
When ZH posts something on food stamps I typically label the program a "stealth entitlement" here in the comments section. I see that other programs are equally deserving of that description.
Lots of gov't bureaucrats and financial services ppl are in fact unemployable in productive jobs (eg farming, mining, manufacturing, software..), figure out the implications
http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/
they guy on this page is priceless. They also are now offering free broadband for the poor.
free (tracking) cell phones, and free (monitoring) of internet activity - sounds like they're making up the other side of the trade for all the new .gov spy networking growth industry jobsworths. . .
no sarc tag. . .
Plus, Eric Holder will tweet when and where to loot, pillage, and riot for social justice. Forward!
still all US "welfare" to poor people amount to about 80 billion a year. The govt gives the rich and their corps TRILLIONS.
Keep your eye on the real problem. All the money is going to the top 1% and they sure as hell arent earning it.
don't forget about the 1.3 trillion + spent on military a year and the 4-6 trillion iraq war.
tax dollars at war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kFeduoDWKj4#!
Will you add or subtract ?
Posted earlier ( a simple reminder) :
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/EW5IdwltaAc?rel=0
hellas4life
And do not forget the Mulatto has spent more in less than four years, than GWJagoff Jr did in EIGHT.
Its called ONE up ya!!
those banks and wars are necessary to fund the welfare state you advocate. you want money taken from people against their will you are going to have to do it through a bank (federal reserve) and its subsidaries JP Citi etc
Please qoute his advocation.
Welfare is for the corporations to have a cheap labor pool and nothing more. They have to keep the family unit from forming to screw up the children. Really sad actually.
Excellent misdirection Crawl(welfare)Mommie.
You are earning your pay today....
the big banks have the fed scam the poor deserve everything they can scam too.
I know plenty of couples who are not legally married but live together - make enough money working, have kids but falsely claim mom/dad is absconding (eventhough he/she is probably in the other bedroom) and claim social security for each kid separately - no body can check. Thats about 2500 per month free money - easily multiplied by 2.
That is the easiest way to get welfare money - don't even have to get a prescription.
That's basically the operating procedure for any young couple who wants to have kids. That and relying heavily on parents and grandparents for money.
I guess if you can't earn a living wage you shouldn't be allowed to procreate. Leave that little detail to the 1%
Lace newborn baby vaccines with permanent infertility serums - you have a solution.
and yet Repubs are pushing that babies begin when the sperm meets the egg, enforced pregnancy thing. . .
not much critical thinking on that campaign promise - unless. . . naw, they wouldn't. . .
what the hell are you talking about, what a load of horseshit. Sell it elsewhere LIAR.
Hey retard you're the one here supporting THEFT. The plundering of the productive class to line to line the pockets of YOURSELF and your pet rocks. (actually worse than rocks because rocks are merely inert. your minions actively destroy civilizations)
Stop stealing my money motherfucker! Get your hand out of my pocket and your gun out of my face. TIA
no body can check.
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right there is a total lie.
Maybe, just Maybe it was the middle class all along that was the bubble and now we are seeing the correction.
Let's face it Americans aint that bright, but a pretty solid block of them all of a sudden were being payed enough money to purchase houses and automobiles and all this other stuff it takes to keep up with the jones'?
And now we have a global economy?????
Not every Joe sixpack is worth the resources it takes to subsudize suburbia.
J6P will eventually eat the uber-wealthy.
J6P will eat each other first, history tells the tale.
Maybe...just maybe...THERE NEVER WAS A "MIDDLE-CLASS."
Think about it--who can define what "middle class" really means?
Why do so many people believe they're part of "the middle class" despite wildly varying income-levels and standards of living?
How is it that despite fantastic changes in technology, infrastructure, prices of various commodities and assets of all kinds, the "middle-class" as self-described never changes significantly in size?
It's never been real. There's just no such thing. There's "working class."
The observant now know that the middle class family income STOPS in the 200-250k range as far as bureaucrats/statists are concerned. Its been deemed so by them, no matter the small business jobs they support below that level. Those who make the insane tax policy (that the IRS can't even decipher) have said so on more than one occasion over the last three years.
No more is it millionaires/billionaires, the corporate jet nonsense...its 200-250k.
I don't know what you're on about.
There's never been a middle-class. It was just a story people wanted to believe after WWII. I think it made the tax-rates more palatable or something.
I thought I was pretty clear.
According to the taxing authorities (politicians) it starts when an individual or family are not wards of the state and ends at 200-250k.
Its not that complicated...its simply and stupidly "progessive"...which is, in fact, regressive in other aspects. And there is most defintely a middle class now striving to stay below that top line to the detriment of all.
Huh. That's a huge load of bullshit.
No thanks.
Yeah, sure. No reaching the unreachable I suppose.
So back to my previous admonishment that you should pay attention to the small things instead of the large things...lest you find yourself wanting for something illegal...
"Bake sales, the calorie-laden standby cash-strapped classrooms, PTAs and booster clubs rely on, will be >>>outlawed<<< from public schools as of Aug. 1 as part of new no-nonsense nutrition standards, forcing fundraisers back to the blackboard to cook up alternative ways to raise money for kids.
At a minimum, the nosh clampdown targets so-called “competitive” foods — those sold or served during the school day in hallways, cafeterias, stores and vending machines outside the regular lunch program, including bake sales, holiday parties and treats dished out to reward academic achievement. But state officials are pushing schools to expand the ban 24/7 to include evening, weekend and community events such as banquets, door-to-door candy sales and football games.
The Departments of Public Health and Education contend clearing tables of even whole milk and white bread is necessary to combat an obesity epidemic affecting a third of the state’s 1.5 million students. But parents argue crudites won’t cut it when the bills come due on athletic equipment and band trips."
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20220507parents_rules_half-baked_states_junk_food_ban_could_take_bite_out_of_school_fundraisers/srvc=home&position=0
When cupcakes are outlawed, only outlaws will have cupcakes ;-)
[self-censored, #mean]
;-)
You're right, that was bad of me, I was tweaking you...while at the same time I'm very serious about this.
I've never been much on the nanny-state concept of "we know whats best & we will make every little decision for you." Their track record is pretty abysmal in this regard I would say, looking back over the course of history.
It smacks of Orwell or worse.
keep your eye on those bakesales, brah. That's how the Nazia got their start too.
lol...point taken, believe me.
But...its when they can convince a large proportion its for your own good...that they only have your best interests at heart...that you really can trust them (this time)...that one should start watching their backs.
I look at the Food Nazis through this prism.
Please note...I'm not advocating for everyone to eat 5,000 calories a day...I'm advocating that its not governments job to mandate how little or how much one eats or what they eat.
On the topic (health, now that I've swung it wildly off course...lol) news comes that sunscreen causes skin cancer...
http://gizmodo.com/5908501/sunscreen-could-be-giving-you-skin-cancer
If I hear one more time from "our best & brightest" saying "this changes everything we thought we knew" I'm going to be physically ill.
This is what I'm talking about BD, clueless idiots, fads, herd mentality and the people who enable it.
Would be useful to supplement with charts showing these values in terms of % of population and/or % of workforce.
Edit: Munx posted same at 13:04 (regrets for duplicating thought / didn't see it)
#OccupyWelfareOffice - Let us all submit applications for Medicaid, welfare, disability (Carpal Tunnel from programming;) ), section 8 house, food Stamps, TANF, AHCSS - Ideally every citizen qualifies given that all our net worths in fiat currency is negative.
add it up , and its not even a percentage piont of what we have given banks.
Money we gave to bankers was fictitious in the first place - its just a number. Money given for freeloaders is actually used up in goods and services to the undeserved. Explains how welfare families have 2 iPods and 2 iPads without any work - while the Chinese laborers who made it and who fund our welfare state from their savings cant afford to buy even it's cover
*its
do you happen to have the stats on "welfare families" with "2 iPods and 2 iPads" handy?
it would be interesting to see what proportion of families you are referring to - and how large each "family" pod of purchasers actually is.
y'know, before I make up my mind. . .
Trust your instincts, Luke!
15% of people get food stamps. 40+ mill
1 in 6 on social security. 50 mill
1 in 30 get unemployment 10 mill
1 in 6 on medicare 50 mill
add in medicaid, education grants and other welfare and your getting up there.
50% of people have a smartphone.
http://gigaom.com/2010/03/26/1-in-2-americans-will-have-a-smartphone-by-christmas-2011/
Lots of crossover but pretty much a guarantee that millions of welfare recipients have a smartphone. Don't know about 2 iphones or 2 ipads but I think he was using hyperbole to prove a point.
those banks needed to buy the treasuries to support the welfare state. you should be thanking them for buying the debt to keep this cluster going. without them the whole wealth redsitribution racket will collapse on itself.
I can't believe my fellow ZH's arguing that everyone should just scam the system. The system needs a reset big time. People need to produce something for society in order to get paid. Rich or poor, no one should be riding for free.
the sooner the fucktarded joobux conspiracy fails the better. The more scammers the better.
Only a full blown war will end the ponzi scheme - sadly America's Wehrmacht is still the world's most powerful - till then enjoy the ponzi-vs-ponzi show.
People are producing in the Chinese Sweatshops.
Idiot China is taking over the world. They are buying/colonizing Africa with the $$ we send them.
Yet here you are bleeting for the "sweatshops of China" better they all quit work and apply for free everything from the uber commie crawldaddy?
I guess the argument goes, why should honest people let dishonest people have a survival advantage and breed? The market offering of stolen good incentivises everyone to claim their share (as much as one can grab). The solution is to not auction out stolen goods in the first place. But then, there is no honesty among thieves these days.
Can the truly disabled get housing, care and food for free at least?
Sure...from charitable organizations, not state welfare programs.
+1
Production comes before consumption.
Between this article and an earlier post about older Americans being "locked out" of the workforce, ZH is 110% nailing this topic on the head. Every older person I know that cannot find employment is suddenly having significant health issues that necessitates some form of disability.
Its weird, cause 6 months ago these people were fine, now all the sudden their bodies are just falling apart, right when their jobs or unemployment are ending...
and you were expecting them to what? just dissapear?
We were expecting them to live off their savings. Sarc//
Or live off their 401k balances? Oops, not if they're still in their 50's. Just wait another decade...by then, "What 401k balance?"
At least we no longer worry about child labor.
Un-employment of those just arriving to the work-force is truly awful.
The kids don't seem too upset, but for those who can't even remember not having meaningful work, the change is profound.
it might be that hunger is now considered to be a disability ...
It is a welfare/warfare state. Sheesh, at least get it right.
and the warfare is caused by welfare.
Productive people need their own currency to be free of the depredations of both.
How about precious metals? It is by now clear we will need a parallel economic system to survive the collapse of this one.
Hmm, so should we conscript the welfare cases to Iraq/Afghanistan? I guess it'll mean the "total victory" that the Generals were looking for, or a rather rapid depletion in the rolls for those not wanting to get shot for Uncle Sugar's paycheck.
The fastest growing reasons for disability among the non-elderly (over 65) are 1) diabetes and 2) musculoskeletal problems.
You know what causes most of these problems.....OBESITY.
Also in 2011 the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission now claims OBESITY as a disability under the Americans With Disabilities Act.
The EEOC claims that basic obesity, without any other underlying condition,
sufficiently impacts the life activities of bending, walking, digestion, cell
growth, etc., to qualify as a disability or perceived disability. EEOC v.
Resources for Human Development (E.D. LA.2010).
You forgot reason 0) being lazy
my ass hurts. Can I please get some disability? ... I think a couple of thou / month should do it ... thank you Uncle Sam!
I am too depressed to work.....major depression
I am too much of an asshole to keep from getting fired....bipolar disorder
I am just too tired to go in to work...chronic fatigue syndrome.
Take yer pick
well gee, given that "obesity" was a category created by the medical profession & the FDA specifically in order to work through the insurance agencies - you need an all encompassing LABEL to stuff people into so as to have a CODE for BILLING - it's hardly surprising that "more people are being "labeled" to fit into the systemic profile. don't ya have to be "obese" to qualify for the gastric band, etc.?
and sure, there are more fat people now, given the crap corporate fud and zero requirements for ingredient labels, coupled together with pharma from birth - ritalin, anti-depressants, vaccines, you name it!
but yeah, those OBESE'rs - hate 'em!!!
What percentage of human beings have the ability to help maintain their own health through proper diet and an active lifestyle in your opinion?
most likely a similar percentage to those who are able to think for themselves on issues that effect the health, well being, and security of themselves, their loved ones, and their community.
in my opinion.
My wife is on SS disability.... due to an auto-immune problem..... and since she has paid into SS for decades, they have determined she gets a certain benefit every month. Personally I don't have a problem with getting back a benefit that you've paid into for years. The problem I do have is all the "CAREER WELFARE" participants - who sometimes have jobs with "different" SS #s, etc. NTL, it will eventually come down..... & most of the population will not be ready for it....
The number of PhD recipients on food stamps and other forms of welfare more than tripled between 2007 and 2010 to 33,655, according to an Urban Institute analysis cited by the Chronicle of Higher Education
With a PhD in Disability Studies, the system is your oyster!
The unemployment number is lower, isn't it? By definition anyone who is disabled is not (really) looking for a job.
These charts are a fuckin disgrace and its time the American people wake the hell up!
So 53 million are on the welfare state, not counting the medicare, medicaid, social security, government employees, government contractors... shall be fun to watch once all that money is gone.
Slick Willy got named appropriately. When all the welfare was stopped the Feds and state governments paid lawyers bonuses in addition to a percentage of retroactive benefits for every welfare client that got shifted to disabilty rolls. Now once u use up ur welfare time limit you switch over to disability.
Bring back welfare. At least it was an honest system. U didnt have to pretend u couldnt work
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