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US Climate Update: Warmest 12 Months On Record
The Northern Hemisphere just experienced the all-time warmest June on record, at 2.34°F above average. The average temperature for the contiguous U.S. during June was 71.2°F, which is 2.0°F above the 20th century average, contributing to a record-warm first half of the year and the warmest 12-month period the nation has experienced since record-keeping began in 1895. Scorching temperatures during the second half of the month led many cities to set all-time temperature records. The nation, as a whole, experienced its tenth driest June on record. Record and near-record dry conditions were present across the Intermountain West. Over 170 all-time warm temperature records were broken or tied during the month. Temperatures in South Carolina (113°F) and Georgia (112°F) are currently under review by the U.S. State Climate Extremes Committee as possible all-time statewide temperature records. According to the U.S. Drought Monitor, as of July 3, 56.0 percent of the contiguous U.S. experienced drought conditions, the most since records began.
Globally, the US is anomalous...
but it is the entire Northern Hemisphere that is bathing in the heat...
As rain (or lack thereof) remains a massive problem...
With some of the craziest anomalies ever in the US...
Source: NOAA
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Funny, because I am in favor of many parts of the system you despise yet profit from.
Please, tell me where I profit from.
Also tell me how it is hypocritical to disagree with the way things are while accepting reality and proposing alternatives.
EatRand, your having another bowel movement...
So long as petroleum is the lowest cost fuel, it will be burned no matter how many pious prius you shove down people's throats. If some Impoverished person needs to feed their family, they will burn petroleum if it helps them, and who are you to prevent them? If you want to de-carbonize energy, support, with your own money, development of things that are truly promising like thorium, and support true capitalistic economic growth, that will remove people from poverty.
Cue the moonbats in...3...2...1...time for a climate convention in Cancun!!!
It's ironic, is it not? That they'll all be jumping on big huge fuel thirsty jet airliners to fly down there, to talk about not burning fuel.
Can't make this shit up!
No you really can't...lol.
The crisis of "our lifetime" is spent flitting around the globe, in CO2 belching jets, to exotic locales, in order to eat kobe beef & lobster in between sunning themselves by the pool and chasing the barmaids around the hotel.
Clearly perilous times ;-)
I guess 1934 didn't happen .............
It sure did... it was a helluva hot summer, but last time I checked summer wasn't 12 months long dipshit....
PS 1934 was the 47th warmest year globally....
What a suprise...it is 2012 afterall. Apparently the Earth got the Mayans memo!!
And Alaska has had the coldest July on record. Parts of Europe / UK have had an unusually cold June.
Oh, right, let's turn over every economic decision over to an unelected body of bureaucrats who surely have our best interests at heart.
What could possibly go wrong?
Shh. The Flying Monkeys get a banana every time they post Koch Brothers.
so, like the economy, let's pick and chose tid bits of data and ignore the overwhelming larger trends.......?
But what's the deal with all the geo engineering? What are they supposed to be trying to achieve with all the chem trail spraying?
No wonder why I haven't wanted to do anything all monthlong. Wayy to hot to do anything and think.
Right there with you, but it's not unusual. It's hotter than hell here in Phoenix. I do a reverse hibernation from mid June to mid October.
Temperature anomalies with respect to a 29 period mean little or nothing.
Meanwhile, here in SE Australia, after the best late summer & autumn rainfall in 40 years, we're now having what can only be described as a perfectly average winter.
Spent 21 months in Australia. My favorite country.
Newly found weather records show 1930?s as being far worse than the present for extreme weather.
... In Table 1, below, we list the all-time record daily maximum temperature observed in each of the 52 entries (as compiled by the SCEC) and the date and location where it was recorded. Notice that the vast majority of the all-time records were set more than half a century ago and that there are exceedingly few records set within the past few decades. This is not the picture that you would expect if global warming from greenhouse gas emissions were the dominant forcing of the characteristics of our daily weather. Instead, natural variability is still holding a strong hand.... ... One lesson here is that when considering “all-time” extreme weather records for a particular region, a comprehensive study must be undertaken (as described by Shein et al.) rather than simply deferring to a single station record... http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/14/newly-found-weather-records-show-1...And your point is?
We are are talking about GLOBAL temperatures and not temperature records in the US....
BTW, Where did the winter of '34 rank?
What'd it take, 500 million years or so from us to crawl outta the swamp and evolve to where we are today? Heck, at that rate, we could literally destroy every living thing upon the surface of the planet, and let the process start from scratch again, several more times. You know, chemicals in the ocean exposed to lightening, start to bond, molecules develop and evolve, first amphibian develops 'legs' and gets the hell outta that shark-infested slime pit.
Who knows? Maybe next time the dinosaur phase (I know, I know, we don't have gravity conditions for types of large animals anymore) will be a little luckier than the last one and say, 1 or two billion years from now Godzilla really DOES eat Japan!
Gravity changed? When did that happen?
Gravity is always changing.
Strange what a poorly defined "constant" it is, no?
Wait a minute...if I hang upside d...ouch...no, never mind.
The moon's further away now, less 'pull' to stretch 'em out.
I knew there was a record amount of hot air coming out of DC, now it's confirmed.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/14/newly-found-weather-records-show-1...
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/ushcn2-cheating-our-socks-...
It was so hot here for a month and today it is raining and 19C. I'm cold. Good thing we can always complain about the weather.
Cool! In another 30 years i'll have beachfront property!
Eeeeeeexeleeeeeent
I live in Arizona, we missed the all time highs by over 2 degrees. So where the fuck are they talking about?
Arizona=Swampcoolers.
sigh, here on the central coast of Cali, with the central valley heating up, it cools us down. Doesn't hit but the mid to high 60's in the daytime, 6:30PM no 61F. I will miss this weather when I move to the mid-west next week, that and the salmon they are catching here.
Whoa, this could br serious assuming ..... you know ..... that "climate scientists" have figured out that it's bad and skews the data to place measuring devices next to compressor units or in the path of exhaust fans.
Which of course is by no means a safe assumption.
On second thought, it's just the weather.
A double el nina event in the Eastern Pacific is driving all of this. Along the coast of California we are experiencing a third summer of cool fogs and below normal temperatures.
La Nina has been in place for three years, it has now ended and an El Nino appears to be forming. It is rated at better than 50-50 that a moderate El Nino is going to be in place by winter.
Where did you hear a double el nina was driving all this? There was no El Nino in place, quite the opposite. A La Nina was in place and that is a cooling factor. El Nino is a warming factor as it releases ocean stored warm water to the surface where the heat can transfer to the atmosphere.
I heard there was a cool day on the north of Scotland last week. That proves this heat and drought is just another liberal hoax! Smart people know the truth. Liberals are liars and can't be allowed to promote their lies. Global warming is a hoax. It is all about getting a carbon tax.
Weather is not climate. But weather is a product of climate.
A carbon tax is why liberal liars are claiming there is a global warming because of co2 accumulation. If they can convince the world to tax carbon then liberals will have more money to spend on welfare for black people. It all makes perfect sense. The whole climate change hoax is crystal clear to any smart conservative. They know liberals are telling lies in order tax us to death. Global warming offers a reason to impose a carbon tax that will fill government coffers with lots of money to hand out to blacks, gays and women. The smart people know a hoax when they are living though one.
Simply put. Liberal scientists promote global climate change in order to get government money to fund their fake science.
Liberals is congress use the fake science to demand a carbon tax to get more money for government.
Lazy blacks, gays and women then seek to get free government benefits paid for by the carbon tax.
There are a few heros in this story. The brave corporations and religious conservatives who stand up against the lies and the fake science. When Romeny is president in a few months we will shitcan all this fake climate science and return to "drill baby drill"! Then our worries are over and all the liar liberal fake scientists can go out into the market place and get real jobs. They are the problem. SHut them up for good and everything will return to normal.
Gays LOVE global warming taxes on Christian groups.
Man - you are a douche.
How are clouds formed? What is more important - ionizing radiation or humidity? You chime in on climate without a clue to physical science. Nature changes & species that don't adapt go extinct... so we are in maybe the 5th largest extinction period currently and you attribute this to what?
Motherfuckers conflate topics with no base of knowledge - this is not about politics but energy, and our limited base knowledge of earth history should be your guide.
Gay Fart Alarmist.
OK then Gay Fart Denier.
(like those old phhhhht jokes...)
Gays don't fart, they're like ladies.
Hey Jack Burton, Why is it that you know the truth, yet deny it? It seems it is you who has the agenda.
P.S. your mama was looking mighty pretty last night with those legs up in the air.
Double post.
I am not worthy.
Global Warming?
Who cares....
What about the change in the chemical composition of the atmosphere from man's handywork?
I think Al Gore wrote an excellent book. At least the man did SOMETHING to help mankind. Much if not most is scientific, and correct. There are numerous 'experts' who have written books on the subject. I have read several of those, as well.
Even though I agree that CO2 emissions are harmful, I'm not 100% convinced that what we are seeing is a man-made phenomena. Many volcanoes have erupted in the past pouring millions of cubic tons of sulphur and other gases into the atmosphere, far more I believe than man, at least at the moment, has. We breathe, do we not?
Geologic time and human brain time are two different animals. I'm in the "we've only got 100 years of evidence" camp. Not enough to definitely say "It's mankind's fault". Granted, there is much we should do to alleviate our pollution (China!) but I think overpopulation is more detrimental to the planet overall.
Gaia will cleanse herself of the parasites.
Yes he made a movie with many lies in it.. But he did something for HIMKIND.
Much of gore's assertions have already been proven inaccurate, if one is to follow the science--though I would be astounded if there have been less than a thousand books written by 'experts' supporting such claims.
Silent spring is a scientific fraud, there is no science behind Carlson's assertions, yet it has been re-printed with an introduction by st gore.
There's been a lot of backpedaling. One UN study took as fact an unsupported comment in a magazine article and made predicitons about the melting of the Himalayan Glaciers, and they finally had to walk back that one.
OK, there are a lot of scary posts on this thread, but yours takes the cake. You call Carson's work a fraud, yet provide not a single iota of evidence to support such an outrageous claim? Have you even read the book?
Since 1996, and especially the last ten years, there has been an explosion in medical/toxicological/endocrine disruptor research showing how pesticides alter internal processes of the body and lead to a wide range of medical problems, in-line with her concerns and warnings. Rachel Carson has in no way been repudiated, despite the vicious attempts of industry "experts" to do their best to discredit her.
The common element between Carson's work and Global Warming is that a wide range of industries colluded to create artificial controversy in both cases. Why? For the money. Follow the money.
I saw a show produced back in the early 1960's, and it was nothing more than a bunch of men in white lab coats who did nothing but ad hom Rachel Carson for a whole hour. Oh, and they swore up and down that pesticides were perfectly safe, and they invoked their "expert" status, which was nothing more than an argument based on appeal to authority. It was pathetic, and it's the same kind of incredibly weak arguments I see thrown around here.
I get it that many people think AGW is a government conspiracy trying to create a pretext for a global tax to run the NWO. While that may be true, it doesn't logically following that the pretext is not true. That is to say, they are merely taking advantage of a disaster (not directly of their own making). This is what disaster capitalists do. Or more-so, masons: ordo ab chao. So, even though the carbon tax may be the NWO plan, that does not prove (or even intimate) that AGW is not happening.
For the deniers, I am curious: is there anything, any meteorological event that would be significant enough to prompt you to question your beliefs?
"For the deniers, I am curious: is there anything, any meteorological event that would be significant enough to prompt you to question your beliefs?"
Yes.
Care to expand upon that?
nice post above.
Is there any weather event? No!
Is there any warming climate trend going on? NO. The Earth has been cooling for 4 billion years, and more recently shown to be cooling the last few million years, and again shown to be still cooling the last 2000 years. Nw York was under a mile of ice just 11,000 years ago, and we're just in an interglacial period. If you want to save the planet push the UN building into the Atlantic Ocean.
There are plenty of bad toxins, but DDT ain't one of them. That was a proven fraud. As a result, millions upon millions of people have died from malaria because of the hysteria caused by Rachel Carson. Millions more will die if warmists have their way. Careful who you hang out with.
LOL. You have no idea what you're talking about, neither the science, nor the actual history.
"Gaia will cleanse herself of the parasites."
OMG.
CO2 is essential for all life on earth, and it was here first.
450 million years ago plant life exploded, hence, the Carboniferous Period, when the atmospheric CO2 was 5000-6000 ppm. Today the plants are not thriving at only 388 ppm. Plants die when CO2 is less than 180 ppm.
"FREE THE CARBON!"
I think Gaia and Santa Claus should team up and fix the global warming problem for us all.
Many like you seem to be rooting for the earth to take its revenge against mankind. If that's the case why demand half-ass measures to even try and address the problem? You should be rooting for mankind to pollute and put as much bad shit in the air so that the day of reckoning comes sooner and the earth can get back to its pre-man pristine state.
Or you just hoping that we kind of get things a little messy and then mankind just disappears?
Or are you really just hoping that the people you disagree with aka 'the parasites' are cleansed so you can stay in the Garden of Eden...cause I'm sure Gaia will just pick and choose the people that get to stay when the 'reverse-rapture' comes.
Cold up north and extremely wet summer unfolding in the south over here in Japan.
Temperatures within average ranges.
No global warming over here.
just radiation out the ass.
When a volcano leaks molten rock all over his coffee table or a tsunami wipes out his house will you be more impressed or less?
Thank God it's all caused by AGW cause now we can do something about it.
LOL
What a crock of shit.
Mother Earth will be here doing just fucking fine long after mankind is gone regardless of who, what, when, where and or why.
Ever notice how nobody really cares anymore?
They love to argue about all this shit but make no behavioral changes for which they are directly responsible,
Called Hypocrisy.
I'm gonna go light up my jet powered BatMobile replicar to run out for a bottle of designer water.
US heartland has had colder winters for the last few years, except tis last winter. Map:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=48882
Here is Los Angeles, we had a whole 4 days over average in June and zero in July. Over a mile from the sea, my tomatoes haven't even started to turn and it is the middle of July. It has been quite cold.
Should the "Earth" experience very hot years, anyway? I'm quite tired of the morons who run around every time it is hot in some places and suggest that this somehow could be proof of anything other than it is hot right now somewhere. Nobody has ever suggested climate is stable.
Unless we're having a 3 standard deviation event, to me, it is a big who cares. And even if the ninnies are right, there is nothing that can be done to turn back the clock on civilization. Nor should we want to. So adapt and shut the fuck up. Or keep driving your Prius and looking like a douche.
I believe the trees. Tree rings say the climate has been getting colder for the last 15 years. So who you going to believe some statistician or the trees? I believe the trees.
Yeap tree rings. Where was that recent story.
Nice timing of this new warming warning. This story stinks to all hell.
Still haven't broken the all time hit record where I am. Never will
Peace !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2171973/Tree-ring-study-p...
Hey buddy...
Read the press release to learn what it really says..
http://www.uni-mainz.de/eng/15491.php
And pay attention to quote at the bottom of this from one of the authors
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/bob-ward/the-worlds-most-visited-n_b_1667338.html
It only applied to the summer in Northern Scandinavia
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/12/surprise-fox-news-fails-paleoclimatology/187086
PS: That so called cooling trend ended in ~1900....
Long icecream cones...
I dont know what is worse, climate change, or the shear stupidity of so many that simply dont understand nor accept scientific findings. It used to be if you were stupid and ignorant you kind of shut up and felt ashamed, now you fuckers seem to be proud of being stone cold stupid.
Well I aint no commiee,, commie..
The beauty of liberalism is that the stupid can feel smart, the lazy can feel entitled, and the immoral can feel righteous. Is it any wonder so many embrace it?
The beauty of convervatism is that the stupid can berate the smart, the lazy can pretend they did the other guy's work, and the immoral can preach about righteousness. Is it any wonder that so many embrace it?
I'd say it's pretty fucking stupid to remove 75% of the cold global thermometer locations in 1988 and then declare "global warming" in 1989, without accounting for the removal of the cold locations which caused the sudden "jump" in your average global temps reported... pretty fucking stupid to think no one would notice.
And satellites are still a lie when you only count the reading from Santiago, Chile and don't include an Andes location anymore. It's your new "geographical average" methodology.
How about still using those temp readings from Airport tarmacs as gospel? Or, using a computer model that is programmed to skew the outcomes to goal seek your warmist claims? Or, getting caught using Sherpa anectdotes and travel magazines as your "peer reviewed" scientific research evidence? Or, hiding the decline?
It's stone cold stupid to think you wouldn't get caught lying to the world. Science rules, you ignorant dumbasses.
Could you back up this assertion? Please do! We would love to see your "evidence",,,,
If it is true that "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" then stuff we put in the air has to be doing something. The question should be about the extent of our actions relative to natural forces such as volcanos, sunspots, and cycles. I am not a scientist so I don't have an answer.
I am more interested in the economic effects of our drought. One of the OP maps shows that Europe and Ukraine received planty of precipitation but the US and Canada are droughty. I'm guessing that a good crop year in Europe will offset the dry year in North America and help stabalize world supplies and prices. Driving around Madison, Wi a couple of days ago, I saw a lot of ruined corn. Madison is only in a marginal drought zone. The last I read from our government, our national corn crop is only down 12%. With most of the corn belt having a drought worse than Madison's, how can this be so? What will drought do to our export economy and domestic food prices?
From what I understand, the US was on target to have a 'record' yield (2012). The effects of the draught (devastating, surely) have taken yields 'back' to 2010 amounts, which were, themselves, records?
Is this much ado about nothing? AAAAAAAHHHHH!!! Doomer Porn! MMMMMMMMMM!! It DOES feel good!
I promise to stop calling you 'Shirley'.
Domestic meat prices are going to go considerably higher this fall and particularly next year. The increased slaughter resulting from a loss of feed corn and increase in its price this year will to some extent counteract what would have been reduced quantities due to the same thing last year, but next year is gonna be a doozy for meat and dairy after two straight years of slaughtering animals that would not have been otherwise. the cow slaughtered this year wont be making calves and producing milk next year.
The grass fed beef farmers that dominate in my area are quite happy at their prospects, guys in a place like Texas with nothing to forage on rely on corn for feed and they are heading into tougher times right now. Next year when prices are high they wont have the herd size to take advantage.
Only true if you take into account that they have added 2.5 degrees to the raw data.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/ushcn2-cheating-our-socks-...
Dust bowl and economic collapse - everything old is new again. History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
2012 high temperatures might be due to onset of what some where projecting in 2010-2011 would will be the largest solar maximum since 1958. I going with that as the reason more than anthrpomorphic global warming for the warm temperatures.
We're in a solar maximum AND an el nino. It would be more interesting if we were NOT getting lots of heat. This is a non-event.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/16/tisdale-how-does-the-evolution-of-the-201213-el-nino-stack-up-against-the-others-since-1982/
I think there is a global warming. It may not be because of burning fossil fuels, oil leaks into the sea, radiation because of nuclear accidents or all the other countless damaging things we do, but it certainly does not help.
There are unusual things happening in so many places. Like floods in Greenland because of a heat wave.
http://www.b.dk/nationalt/vejret-gaar-amok-i-groenland
The rivers were 1 meter higher than the previous record when the videos above were shot.
In Iceland the summer has been excellent, sunshine and warm weather since May.
There is a icebraker called The Snow Dragon is on its way from China to Iceland, it will go the so called North East route, by Russia and Norway. This shipping route is opening up, due to warmer climate.
http://www.ruv.is/frett/snaedrekinn-rannsakar-nordurslodir
I think climate change is a natural phenomena, the changes seem to be rapid now because there is so much going on at the same time, putting this problem into the spotlight.
If you think it is natural, i.e. non-anthropogenic,, please explain how increasing C02 by 35% since 1820 cannot change the energy balance of the planet... Before spouting bad science, take into account what fraction of the atmosphere is GHG....
Be sure to explain the corresponding decrease in 02 and the ratios of C12 to C13 to C14 as a function of time in atmospheric C02....
I am not trying to upset anyone. I am just adding information to the debate, people can do with it what they wish.
Roughtly 1000 years ago a Viking called Eirikur the red tried to create a settlement in south Greenland. He tried to grow corn and brew ale, but somehow this idea did not work as well as he had expected.
This would lead us to belive the climate was warmer at that time.
The summer in Iceland and Greenland has been very warm, but the winter was rather cold. For example there is now a 11 meter thick lair of snow on top of the 2011 Grimsvotn eruption ash lair on Myrdalsjokull ice cap. Its melting fast now.
There was a cold spell in Iceland in November and December, so much that people were starting to compare this with the record from 1918, when whole fjords froze over, whales sufficated under the ice and polar bears invaded the country.
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?FuseAction=ShowNews&NewsID=668
The link above shows hows how the temperatures are rising.
There are recent events that could effect the weather in the Northern Hemisphere, and even in a larger area, like the eruption in Grimsvotn under Vatnajokull glacier last year.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390274/Iceland-volcano-2011-Inc...
The effects from that eruption would be short term.
Greenland is "local", the Global data strongly support that global temperatures were lower then..
The icelandic volcanoes were small fry compared to Pinatubo and El Chichon
See figure 10
http://meto.umd.edu/~zli/PDF_papers/ABEM_Springer2009_KHLee.pdf
BTW Aerosols tend to cool things by changing the Albedo...
100 years ago temperatures were recorded by a few papers from telegraphs sent by guys reading a mercury thermometer. The temperature can vary on any given day by a few degrees over distances as short as a mile.
Is it hot? Yes. Is two degrees within the margin of error going back over 100 years? Way within the margin of error.
Today we have sophisticated weather sattelites and temperature monitoring stations all over the place. We can take far more and far for accurate measurements now than we could even 15 years ago. If we had the equipment today throughout the century measured from the exact same place at the exact same time, then you could compare this year to 1934, 1988, or whenever. Truth is we don't really know if it was hotter in the dust bowl days or not, we have an idea but it can't be proven
We also have a lot more concrete holding in heat than 100 years ago. NYC is going to remain hotter at night than a field in Nebraska. That doesn't mean the atmospheric temperature is actually hotter. July 3rd my local paper ran a headline claiming that the previous day demolished the old record set in 1926, demolished was a poor choice of words considering the old record was 101 and the new record is 102. Who wants to bet the record wasn't actually broken?
These cycles come and go, and solar activity this year is far more active, general output matches periods before, but the sun ramped up to average activity far faster than earlier cycles. Solar flare hitting around the equinox is going to have more effect than hitting at a solstice.
Remember our record setting hurricane season with Katrina that bested a record set during the '50s. I wonder how many hurricanes that formed in the oceans far away from making landfall weren't counted in the '50s that were able to be counted over the last few years. There is also the fact that they are naming storms today that never would have been named before. In a desperate ploy to make it look like hurricanes didn't peak during the Katrina season, they are naming thunderstorms. They should have named the storm that knocked out power to millions across three states. That did far more damage than the tropical rainstorm that went through Florida.
You have no fucking idea what you are talking about... The above is verbal diarrhea crossed with a fistfull of strawmen...
Why don't you google up "anomalies" and read a little on how a rigorous error analysis is performed....
"Environmentalism: a religion dedicated to the proposition that the sun does not impact the temperature of the earth."
So what is the deal with Durden? He dubunks government lies for a living and yet breathlessly quotes from the liberal federal NOAA as if its gospel? 5-10 inches of rain in northern minnesota is one of the 'craziest' anomalies? Well, if one lives in minnesota,flooding in northern minnesota is a well known ritual every few years, and the duluth flooding is small change compared to what came in years past.
One of the key liberal rhetorical techniques, fooling the unsophisticated with statistics, is most often done by the use of hype and keeping things from being seeing in perspective.
You've done a lot of hype here tonight.
Over and over again with your "liberal rhetorical techniques," a fantasy of your own mind, projected into this space.
You are a divider. A wedge. A man of the machine.
Gees, one heat wave and the global warming crowd comes out of hybernation. Come on people, we've had ice ages and we've had warm periods on earth.
Remember the dust bowl 80 years ago? Remember everyone talking of an ice age 40 years ago?
Something stinks in Denmark and it's name is "global warming"
The global warming types have been dying for the last few years, what with all the cooler weather. This heat wave is like manna from heaven for them.
It's not "global warming " any longer. It's now "climate change" because , you know, like the climate has never changed before.
Pretty sure we have been circling a giant furnace for the last few billion years that has made the earths climate much hotter and cooler than it is now.
Surely the scientists fully support evolution and its logical consequences. Since man is the moral equivalent to all other species, why does man get to decide what the "correct" temperature should be?? There surely are many species that would thrive in a warmer climate or a cooler climate. And why wouldn't man "adapt" to a warmer globe? And why would wiping out the human species be "bad" in the evolutionary sense? When the dinosaurs got wiped out, that wasn't "good" or "bad" -- right?
So what is the big fuss about global warming? If we want to stay purely scienced focused, seems global warming is not good nor bad and we should spend anything fretting about such.
Do you have children?
Yes and all children have been taught the doctrine of evolution. A good evolutionist would fully understand that his children and a dog and a cockroach are morally equivalent. Don't be so man centered lest you be labeled a religous nut case for thinking man is some how superior to other species (man has just evolved differently and will supposively keep on evolving). Therefore worrying about global warming has to be absurd to the evolutionist
Gotta understand the logical scientific consequences of evolution.
"Therefore worrying about global warming has to be absurd to the evolutionist."
I don't see that this conclusion follows from the premise that different species are morally equivalent. And I don't think it makes any sense to ignore the consequences global warming will bring. There are many people here in denial, and I'm afraid the only way they will see is when they are brought to their knees, not by government, but by Mother Nature herself. Amazing hubris.
I think this is the argument of the industrialist, the Kochs, and the multinationals that take massive profits, harm our health, and skew the political environment to their advantage.
If all the species are morally equivalent, then why does man get to pick the "correct" temperature?? Some species would thrive better in a warmer climate -- why can't they have the temperature they prefer?? What might be "bad" for one species is "good" for another.
And why wouldn't man just continue to evolve to adapt to the warmer temperature?? I thought that is what evolution teaches us. And therefore we should not be concerned about rising temperatures (accordingly to evolutionary theory).
Lastly, evolution would never argue that the demise of a species is a "bad" thing. If it did, then evolutionists would have to prefer to have the dinosaurs still roaming around (which would likely really tie up traffic).
The contradiction is huge. But it does not fit well with the global warming doctrine.
To date, this is the stupidist post I have ever seen on ZH.
"Man" is not picking the "correct" temperature. "Man" is a fucking idiot, intent on destroying the world.
No, no, no- you don't understand.
Darwin is to be used when mocking the religious, but any actual application of Darwinism makes the average US progressive wet themselves in fear.
You're right about the Darwin card being played by the statists.
I wish someone would remind the statists more often that Darwin was also the first to point out, repeatedly, there is nothing mutually exclusive about natural selection and God. And that was 70 years before the demolition of the Newtonian world view began.
Monetize the sun @federalreserve. #QE3
Jumping in a bit late, but this is the national Drought data as of July 14 2012...
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/regional_monitoring/rpd07drs.gif
This plot shows the intensity of drought by percentage by state, region and nationally since 1895 (117 years)... Lower = Harder Drought, 0 = most intense
The country is in the worst drought in the data...
For perspective, the "wet" parts of the mid-west at at only worst 6% of recorded drought....
This will be a normal state of affairs by no later than 2050... Bank on it...
Oh yeah, almost forgot this nugget:
Death Valley sets world record for highest 24 hr average temperature 117.5 F
It also ties the world record for highest daily low temperature ever recorded 107 F...
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2153
Of course it proves nothing, but funny how the records have been falling of late, eh?
I've been blaming the heat on the solar flares. No basis in fact - but heck, it makes me feel better.
This is why I don't give a rats ass about it anymore.
So you don't have your drink "neat" ... just add a few ice cubes.
Doomsday has been called off because the fraudsters were caught red handed and already admitted it. The climatology bitter clingers should be celebrating this news. The only unfinished business for informed people is to assess the damage they've caused and sue the commie green industry and UN child molestors for their crimes against humanity.
Nevertheless, every time the thermometer goes up in summer the climate bath salt freaks show up as regular as Halloween. Where were they when the Southern Hemisphere had record cold last year? There was snow in Buenos Aries, 400 people in Peru froze to death, record cold and snow in Australia, record snow in South Africa, mass tropical fish kills in South America, and Al Gore still flunked Natural History.
With all this occuring there wasn't a whisper from the alarmist knuckledraggers. Methinks they are bitter and in denial because they were suckered into paying those carbon tax rents to the banksters. Forever.
Beacuase when the science was admitted to be fraudulent, you have to cling on to something to validate those years of lost life spreading fear.
Sadly, you are exactly right. The Keynesiantologists are the same way.
Please pass the offering plate to pay for your sins. Denialists will be burned at the stake!
Bruce Krasting just trolled the ZH community on AGW the other day. That post hit 491 comments.
What's the over/under on this one doing the same?
Well, all you soakers soaking up the heat, mail some to AK. Friggin' coldest summer I've seen in my 45 or so. This morning, it felt like an ordinary Sept. day. Should be good moose hunting, though.
Weather is not climate -- when it is unusually cold. Weather is climate when it is unusually hot. Got that, you science-hating deniers?
Got it. Sometimes you need to expand your data-set though.
First I am linking to these two weather or climate events (I am confused about this now)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_heat_wave
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_bowl
Since you were mean to me and called me a science hating denier, I am putting link to this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szBTl3S24MY
Oh yeah and Operation High Jump too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1z3b8Pp_h8
I have to ask here, what do any of you people frothing at the mouth over the evils of mankind actually fucking DO in the real world to combat what you clearly see as a serious problem?
Are your backyards covered in food producing plants that will not only use CO2 but reduce the need for someone else to burn fossil fuels to produce them, or are you sitting in on your lazy ass in some fucking air conditioned urban/suburban room using fossil fuel or nuclear produced electricity to yell at everyone else about what they are supposed to do? Are you out there sweating to actually grow the things that use CO2, or just whining in air conditioned comfort?
Is even one of you solar powered? Why not?Do even one of you get off of your asses to go outside and produce some food for yourself, or grow a prodigious amount of ornamental plants? Why not?
Seriously- what concrete things do you actually do in the real world? It is possible that I am wrong in this case, but I have yet to meet anyone in that crowd who actually does a goddamn thing beyond setting their hair on fire and running around screaming.
Yeah it was 110 + in SC- and my ass was outside making sure that the hundreds of plants creating the several hundred pounds of produce I pulled this week was alive and well. It looks like I walked in the shower with clothes on after 45 minutes to an hour, any of you delicate little flowers leave the AC to actually do something real?
When I'm not golfing or commenting on ZH, I exchange thoughtful insights with anonymous people in the Internet, fool myself into thinking that I make a real difference to the world through the wide reach of my intelligent insights or run around screaming with my hair on fire.
me too! I'm lucky to have some hair.
Personally, I find nothing quite as entertaining as listening to the screaming around a nice hair fire.
'Specially if you have the foresight to bring along some marshmallows and a stick.
Ahh, you can't beat the tranquility of the Internet on a hot summer night.
Okay, not quite hot, but warmer than usual. Since I AM in Western Washington and the map has it pretty well stated.
For me, it's not so much a destination as a mindset. Waste not, want not. It's a very simple way of life, and lots of people live it.
Vin Scully just said that 70% of the USA is suffering from drought. Is that the level today, up from July 3rd 56%? La seems like a nice place for weather.
The earth has cyclically warmed and cooled since the beginning any many billions of years ago. The last ice age ended about 25,000 years ago and the earth has warmed since, some years more, some years less, but warmed.
And that long before industrialisation, long long before internal combustiion engines and fossil oil as an enrgy source.
There have been at leat 5 recorded extinction cycles. Dinos died from weather changes, not from the prducts out of Detroit.
If you take secular history as a useful indicator, then weather changes and the exiinction of species is certain: the when and how clear only in hindsight.
The survival of Man is not to be expected through shifts in economic structures or systems. These are illusory, contemporary, passing.
I'm going long cockroaches.
And before you ask, yes, they do have a lot of coverage on 'The Street.'
There have been 7 or 8 global warming related scams since the 1800's: check the NY Times et. al. as historical record. The fact of the matter is Carbon Dioxide can only absorb radiation in a few narrow bands of the IR spectrum. It is already at a saturation point. The AGW crowd has never demonstrated, and never will, the new slower transfer of energy from the 3 molecular motions of CO2 to water vapor, which, under their models is how the planetary heating is to occur. It is an impossibility. CO2 would somehow magically have to change it's behavior and become a totally different molecule with a different set of vibrational frequencies and motions to transfer more energy to water vapor.
If one really wants to understand what is going on check out Dalton and Maunder minimums and what happened in the celestial realm. Google Milankovitch Cycles. This was figured out years ago. Personally, I build aircraft and have built equpiment that supplied service and support to the Antarctic at our Mcmurdo station. Most of the temperature gauges used are now not calibrated to the standards needed to measure plantary temperature. Airport meteorlogical instruments used for standard temperature and pressure readings to set aircraft barometric altimeters, have, been substituted for the old eyeball read meteorlogical gauges. The airport thermometers have standard deviations of error larger than an entire century's worth of AGW alarmist projections. This is what they use for their databases. There's nothing like getting an accurate temperature reading from a hot black runway where a jet has just rolled by while using a "loose" thermometer. Check out Wattsupwiththat.com, the website of Anthony Watts. This has been a large money making scam for a long time. And, it has been tried repeatedly.
On a final note Hasen, the head of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies at Nasa, first proclaimed global cooling in his career, then global warming, then climate change. A few years back I got a call to go to work Wallops Island, a Nasa/Navy space launch and training facility east of Washingtion DC. Nasa's Goddard institute for space studies had a contract for aircraft modifications. I wrestled with the thought of working on their Global Hawks, P-3', U-2's in support of this scam, which, if enacted as a tax, will be as effective as a war in killing the innocent who can no longer afford necessities or cheap energy. Due to my economic situation at the time, I decided I needed the job. But, surprise, what i found was Hansen and Goddard were contracting to modify and upgrade jets of Middle Eastern Oil Sheiks!
Fortunately, I found a better job and didn't end up selling my soul to the devil. I guess they had their global warming research vehicles parked next to the oil sheiks jets.
So the Arctic ice cap is melting away, the glaciers are disappearing....yet you figure it's just that old thermometers read wrong??
The size of the Artic cap is currently waaaaay smaller than 2 SD from the mean.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Choose your theory based on the facts; don't choose your facts based on your theory.
Please provide credible links showing saturation is playing the role you claim...
BTW, based on what you wrote, you don;t have a fucking clue what you are talking about, warming is not due to C02 transfering energy to WV
Please cite a reference that back your claim about Hansen....
I swear that you guys literally make shit up...
Yeah .... uhhhh .... this climate chart is pure bullshit, atleast as far as Texas goes. We've had an incredibly MILD summer, beautiful weather, especially compared to last years hell-on-earth heat we had. Just yesterday I was saying to my son "man, it feels like an Oregon summer day today rather than Texas."
It's called weather, people, cut the "climate change" bullshit already.
Right. Who cares if 90% of the earth is warmer, and the Artic cap is melting at a record rate this summer, and Texas was hot as hell last year - as long as this year, Texas is cool - well, obviously that whole global warming thing was a myth.
Explains this statistic: Texas is #49 in verbal SAT scores in the nation (493) and #46 in average math SAT scores (502).
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A new study is showing that viewers who watch only Fox News are the least informed people in the country. In fact, the study is showing that those who watch Fox News are more uninformed than those who don’t watch any news at all.
Researchers at Fairleigh Dickinson University had originally done a study in 2011 that found the exact same statistics. They recently updated the study to find out if they would get the same results nationally that they got in the first study which was only conducted in New Jersey, where the University is located.
The poll interviewed participants about their knowledge of international news (Iran, Egypt, Syria and Greece were included) and news that is strictly for domestic consumption (Republican primaries, Congress, unemployment and the Keystone XL pipeline). The pollsters found that people were usually able to answer 1.8 out of 4 questions on foreign news, and 1.6 of 5 questions on domestic news, and that people who don’t watch any news were able to get 1.22 of the questions on domestic policy right.
Then the study found out that those who watched only Fox News fared much worse than the average.
The study found,
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/241677/study-fox-news-viewers-less-informed-than-those-who-watch-no-news-at-all/#tsX7bKQOzJKUQv3g.99Big Oil sure hates any talk of the weather...
Big coal even more so....
US citizen classics:thread on global warming.
Expect big expression of US citizen nature in it.
Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.
We have fucked up the climate for hundreds of years to come at least. The methane from Siberia and other places thaws into atmosphere at ever-increasing speed during this and following decades. Methane is over 20 times more effective green house gas than carbon dioxide. It is like blasting pure oxygen to a gasoline fire, it superboosts the global warming for sure. It is already doing so.
You denialists will soon see the disastrous effects in your home turd (they are mostly from the southern states of US). It will be like hot dry Sahara out there soon. Dust bowls all over the place and hurricane alleys every summer.
I have no doubt the northern hemisphere was warmer 2000 years ago. Or at least the summers were warmer. Summer is when the trees grow. It should have been since during the summer, the earth was closer to the sun. Right now, the earth is furthest from the sun on July 4th. NH summers should be much cooler now than 2000 years ago. We should be entering an ice age. We're not thanks to global warming.
But, but, but...Rush Limbaugh told me global warming was a MYTH.
LMAO.
Our Defining Moment
http://shutupnsing.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/precious-time/
I'm long Mild Winter investing on Motif.....you're welcome home depot.
The usual scammers running this scam. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZmgHUMAkl4
Not making it up, Flakmeister. I tried to explain in a simplistic terms. Look it up!
Actual backtesting of any of the 20 or so IPCC computer models shows no correlation between CO2 and warming --- other than the Russian and Norwegian models which show a slight positive correlation with cooling.
Be careful of their data assertions: Britta of MBH graph fame included and 8 sd tree in an 8 tree dataset from a database of 400,000 trees to create his part of the MBH hockey stick.
Explain the results of these 3 papers:
1) Ljungqvist (2010)
2) Foster and Rahmstorf (2010)
3) Knutti and Huber (2011)
And tell me what changes if the Britta data is taken out? If it has such a dubious pull on the result it would be screaming to be removed and the result paraded by skeptics... So, one of two things, the result doesn't change or the skeptics are incapable of performing the analysis.. So, once again, is it liar or fool?