The US Recorded Its Warmest March In History And All We Got Was This Timelapse Video

NOAA just released confirmation that the first quarter of 2012 was the warmest on record. The fact that we rely on 'seasonal adjustments' in macro data that are so critical in our seeming belief in the recovery of the US economy (and its extrapolation into how many iPads will be bought next month) when the temperature is 20% hotter than average is simply incredible.

U.S. records warmest March; more than 15,000 warm temperature records broken

First quarter of 2012 also warmest on record; early March tornado outbreak is year's first "billion dollar disaster"

Record and near-record breaking temperatures dominated the eastern two-thirds of the nation and contributed to the warmest March on record for the contiguous United States, a record that dates back to 1895. More than 15,000 warm temperature records were broken during the month.

The average temperature of 51.1°F was 8.6 degrees above the 20th century average for March and 0.5°F warmer than the previous warmest March in 1910. Of the more than 1,400 months (117+ years) that have passed since the U.S. climate record began, only one month, January 2006, has seen a larger departure from its average temperature than March 2012.

Note: The March 2012 Monthly Climate Report for the United States has several pages of supplemental information and data regarding the unprecedented early 2012 temperatures.

U.S. climate highlights — March

• Every state in the nation experienced at least one record warm daily temperature during March. According to preliminary data, there were 15,272 warm temperature records broken (7,755 daytime records, 7,517 nighttime records). Hundreds of locations across the country broke their all-time March records. There were 21 instances of the nighttime temperatures being as warm, or warmer, than the existing record daytime temperature for a given date.
• A persistent weather pattern led to 25 states east of the Rockies having their warmest March on record. An additional 15 states had monthly temperatures ranking among their ten warmest. That same pattern brought cooler-than-average conditions to the West Coast states of Washington, Oregon, and California.
• Temperatures in Alaska during March, which are not included in the contiguous U.S. average value, ranked as the tenth coolest on record.
• The nationally-averaged precipitation total was 2.73 inches, which is 0.33 inches above average. The Pacific Northwest and the Southern Plains were much wetter than average during March while drier-than-average conditions prevailed in the interior West, Northeast, and Florida. Colorado had its driest March on record.
• According to the U.S. Drought Monitor, as of April 3rd, 36.8 percent of the contiguous U.S. was in drought, a decrease from 38.7 percent at the end of February and an increase from 28.8 percent a year ago on April 5, 2011. Above-average precipitation across the Southern Plains improved long-term drought conditions Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas.
• Warmer-than-average conditions across the eastern U.S. also created an environment favorable for severe thunderstorms and tornadoes. According to NOAA's Storm Prediction Center, there were 223 preliminary tornado reports during March, a month that averages 80 tornadoes annually. The majority of the tornadoes occurred during the March 2nd-3rd outbreak across the Ohio Valley and Southeast, which caused 40 fatalities. Total losses from this event are estimated to exceed $1.5 billion dollars, making this the first event of 2012 to exceed one billion dollars in damages and losses.
• On March 9, a large weather system impacted the Hawaiian Islands, bringing extreme rainfall and severe thunderstorms. A rare EF-0 tornado hit the towns of Lanikai and Kailua on Oahu, causing minor damage. A hailstone with the largest diameter on record for the state, measuring 4¼ inches, fell on Oahu during this event.

Year-to-date (January-March)

• The first three months of 2012 were also record warm for the contiguous United States with an average temperature of 42.0°F, 6.0°F above the long-term average.
• Twenty-five states, all east of the Rockies, had their warmest first quarter on record, and an additional 16 states had first-quarter temperatures ranking among their ten warmest.
• Numerous cities had a record warm January-March, including Chicago, Boston, and Washington, D.C. No state in the contiguous U.S. had below-average January-March temperatures.
• Alaska had its ninth coolest January-March period; temperatures were 5.2°F below average.
• The nationally-averaged precipitation total for January-March was 0.29 inches below the long-term average. States across the Pacific Northwest and Southern Plains were wetter than average, while the Intermountain West, parts of the Ohio Valley, and the entire Eastern Seaboard were drier than average.
• NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index, an index that tracks the highest 10 percent and lowest 10 percent of extremes in temperature, precipitation, drought and tropical cyclones, was 39 percent, nearly twice the long-term average and the highest value on record for the January-March period. The predominant factor was the large area experiencing extremes in warm daily maximum and minimum temperatures.

Cold season (October-March) and 12-month period (April 2011-May 2012)

• The cold season, which is defined as October 2011 through March 2012 and an important period for national heating needs, was second warmest on record for the contiguous U.S. with a nationally-averaged temperature 3.8°F above average. Only the cold season of 1999-2000 was warmer. Twenty-one states across the Midwest and Northeast, areas of the country with high annual heating demands, were record warm for the six-month period.
• The previous 12-month period (April-March), which includes the second hottest summer (June-August) and fourth warmest winter (December-February), was the warmest such period for the contiguous United States. The 12-month running average temperature was 55.4°F, which is 2.6°F above the 20th century average.

Comments

[GMadScientist]

If ad hominems fail, try guilt by association...

[Death and Gravity]

Rather, we prefer that peopleunderstand the topics under discussion, which evidently isn't the case when someone thinks that a cold winter is precluded by global warmning (ormoresuccintly: climate change).

[FeralSerf]

It's noteworthy that Zionist shills/ADLers like you work the blogs in support of the Elite's AGW bullshit meme and against the true cause of 9-11 at the same time.  Is this part of your new religion or just part of Zionism's campaign for world domination and abject poverty and debt slavery for the Gentiles?  Who do you work for?

[Death and Gravity]

I'm not at all surprised to see a 9/11 troofer also engaged in climate change denialism, but to answer your question, I work for nobody. I'm unemployed , or self-employd, depending on your definitional rigor.

Do you have more paranoid foolishness you want to share because someone in the world happens to disagree with your conspiracy-saturated worldview?

[Colombian Gringo]

Now tell the truth, DEath and stupidity, your job is lick up KARI after Flakmeister finishes.

[riphowardkatz]

Question that I am sure you will have an answer to...

Medical science is a vast and well  documented field. There are literally 100's of example of studies on the human body yearly that are later found to be wrong according to new information.

Wondering if climate science has these same examples? Or are they always right? From what I see they never miss the mark, they never make mistakes, they never back track. That just doesn't jive with what I see in other fields.

If they are always right kudos. Truly amazing stuff. 

[MobBarley]

Kind of hard to deny that climate 'changes' , don't you think?
The hat tip to semitic racist media manipulation
memes is tiresome. Can you argue this better please?
The process of writing conceptualizations that
assume easy manipulation of masses is crass.
Let's have the scientific facts, and we to some degree
had that until the trusted research institutes engaged
in outright lying and manipulation to make data fit
with a political and more precisely economic agenda.
Science means search for the Truth. Truth can change
at times, personal truth for instance. However,
on any given timeline there are Truths which show
greater stability. Factually, we don't have global
warming. We don't have global cooling either.
We have global atmospheric chaos.
You don't understand this yet because it's beyond
the scope of your current concepts.
You most certainly can call it manmade because
when humans spray mass amounts of barium salts
and other unnatural substances into the atmosphere
over long periods of time they alter the
conscious energy in the atmosphere.

The derangement of our atmosphere has a great deal
to do with forces many would deny or accept only
conditionally, as side alley oddities in videos
on youtube.

I'm speaking of Chi. Observing the clouds of late,
they speak more to the power of Chaos and distortion
than to any comfortable toilet paper experience.

[crawldaddy]

as predicted.

[Ocean22]

I betcha those monkeys playing with HAARP had something to do with this. Just saying.

[MobBarley]

If HAARP is not doing something understood why spend so much
money to build multiple HAARP installations all over
the world? It is understood that HAARP has powerful
effects including on biological entities. Many a time
now have I watched the barium salt clouds in the sky
above assume rippling effects that mirror the transmitting wavelengths of HAARP.
One thing I would love to know is where HAARP is getting all
that power from? 1 terawatt requires 1000 gigawatts to run.
Most nuclear reactors come in at 1 giga watt in toto.

A 1 terawatt transmitter requires 1000 nuclear power
plants to operate.

Where did they hide that power supply?

[Cathartes Aura]

we were getting those cloud formations frequently last year, did some research and found "earth transient cloud" formations, perhaps indicators of earthquake activity imminent - some good pics here, the last two were exactly what I was seeing,

http://www.terraresearch.net/articles/earthquakeclouds_article1_file.html

saw them yesterday too, and had two small quakes today. . .

as to HAARP power, I reckon "they" have technology "we" have yet to hear about - top security national secret stuffs, y'know. . . but yeah, I wonder about it too. . .

[carbonmutant]

We've been getting some big CMEs...

http://www.spaceweather.com/

[williambanzai7]

Global warming, global cooling, Polar meltdown, seismic anomalies in central USA, cesium seafood, precariously contained spent fuel rods, Gulf of Mexico syndrome, Asian flooding, everything is normal folks...your government wants you to stay calm...here have some anthrax with your Frosted Flakes.

[Dr. Engali]

"your government wants you to stay calm"

Heh heh that's funny. Let me fix that for you.....your government wants you to  be on edge and focus each other instead of paying attention to them.

[Death and Gravity]

For once you are spot on.

[Dr. Engali]

Good that's one more time than you.

[MobBarley]

You both contribute meaning to the discussions here.
For ever pro there must be a con.
Notice this.
Contemplate this.
The meaning of this.
The coupling of this.
The balance of this.

[PontifexMaximus]

Where is Kari Norgaard?

[carbonmutant]

At the dentist...

[Colombian Gringo]

blowing Flakmeister.

[carbonmutant]

...Drupal...

[pods]

Auditioning for the new "Ding fries are done" commercial?

[Likstane]

Building a dam with tree parts.

[Jena]

Doing an ad campaign for abstinence.

[insanelysane]

When it is unemployment numbers we get the MSM reporting that it is one months data and no problem, when it is climategate, one month is a trend.

[Bobportlandor]

Raise your hands if you remember the Eyjafjallajökull and Shiveluch volcano going off in 2010.

Or how about Grimsvotn in 2011.

Now you know the rest of the story.

[Flakmeister]

And what story would that be?? Seriously, I am all ears.

[Hippocratic Oaf]

..................and her comes Flakey with all his fuckin' attitude glory. Really dude, take it down a notch. Prove it, bet me, i dare you......all the same bullshit.

[Flakmeister]

Pray tell, what are you going to add of substance?

Let me guess, Rush Limbaughs latest talking point?

[CrockettAlmanac.com]

You certainly have an exaggerated view of the power of Rush Limbaugh.

[Cathartes Aura]

The subject of the bloggers’ ire appears to have sprung from an inaccurate description of Norgaard’s work that appeared in a UO news release.

It said: “Resistance at individual and societal levels must be recognized and treated before real action can be taken to effectively address threats facing the planet from human-­caused contributions to climate change.”

Norgaard’s study, which she is working on with professor Robert Brulle at Drexel University in Philadelphia, actually suggested that societal resistance to the idea of climate change should be recognized and addressed through “dialogue,” Brulle said.

But bloggers seized on the words “and treated” in the UO news release, and spread a mushrooming and false story that Norgaard had delivered a paper in London that called climate skeptics “sick” or “mentally ill” and in need of “psychoactive drugs.”

“This is a complete perversion of the whole intellectual project that’s going on,” Brulle said. “It’s an absolute, utter distortion.”

Limbaugh extrapolated about Norgaard further on his website: “This is the kind of person that Obama would hire,” he said. “This the kind of person Obama has hired. This is the kind of thinking that Obama believes and sponsors.

http://www.registerguard.com/web/newslocalnews/27862556-46/norgaard-climate-mann-professor-bloggers.html.csp?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

[Flakmeister]

There is something odd going on... how else can you explain this

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937801100104X

We examine whether conservative white males are more likely than are other adults in the U.S. general public to endorse climatechangedenial. We draw theoretical and analytical guidance from the identity-protective cognition thesis explaining the white male effect and from recent political psychology scholarship documenting the heightened system-justification tendencies of political conservatives. We utilize public opinion data from ten Gallup surveys from 2001 to 2010, focusing specifically on five indicators of climatechangedenial. We find that conservative white males are significantly more likely than are other Americans to endorse denialist views on all five items, and that these differences are even greater for those conservative white males who self-report understanding global warming very well. Furthermore, the results of our multivariate logistic regression models reveal that the conservative white male effect remains significant when controlling for the direct effects of political ideology, race, and gender as well as the effects of nine control variables. We thus conclude that the unique views of conservative white males contribute significantly to the high level of climatechangedenial in the United States.

[Bay of Pigs]

Climatechangedenial? LMAO.

[MobBarley]

Good Lord! I am now an 'effect'. I am 'the white male effect'
Does that come with anechoic echos from on high?
From a government that once spoke all about the equality
of man we've transissioned to one spending copious tax payer
dollars studying our differences for militant purposes.

On a side note, Ghengis Khan was not a villian.
It appears he was a very intelligent man that
wanted world trade. That was his dream.
The NWO several thousand years too early.

[francis_sawyer]

Climatechangedenial... YGBFKM...

[Cathartes Aura]

well, you'll be mocked for bringing this up - and indeed, you may be addressing this sarcastically for all I know - but IMO, "conservative white males" are just acting their part - conservative (resistant to change) white males (traditionally the default "human" is white male, the measuring stick that "everyone else" gets judged against - as in, white males are the norm, everything that isn't THAT is labeled with respect to THAT.

it's a closing of ranks as the "type" is dwindling, and is certainly losing it's traditional role as the ultimate authority sourced for opinions, etc.  hence the virulent reactions to anything outside the ranks, or any one who challenges their point of view - traditional western religion, science, and news media, film making, etc. were all sacred territory for them, unopposed - now it's being infiltrated by lesser beings, and they're angry at a deep level having to give up their hitherto unchallenged roles of "wisdom" and cultural, global power.

yeah, I know, yadda yadda - the Rush Limbaugh crowd of angry blustery "conservative white males" that populate the radio jocks is also feeding this, and their love of misinterpreting "news" and running with the wrong info all over the internet threads doesn't help - it's designed to keep minds in a closed loop of defensive mode - defending what is perceived as a "current reality" when that ship sailed decades ago.

good luck on these thread flak (you chose that name well ha!).

[Colombian Gringo]

I guess if it is written by sociologists, just like Kari, that makes it true, denial=racism. Good luck with that one, you CAGW fucking idiots. 

[nowhereman]

I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but, I think we all are concerned about air polution.  In fact I'd dare to say that much of the transfer of production overseas was a way to escape the governments attempts to control it.

That said, what I find incredulous is the fact that some very smart people believe they can "control" climate.

When you look at the consequences of governments trying to control air pollution, you get a glimps of the unintended results of said intervention.

Heck, I'm glad China has the most polluted air, while our air improves, but it sure has been a bitch for the labor force, and the economy.

So, thinking that somehow governments should get involved in mandating how much CO2 you exhale, to me, sounds like incredible stupidity, their track record just doesn't elicit confidence.

I sympathise with those worried about the effects of climate change, I really do, but, the fact is, climate changes, whether we have anything to do with it or not.  It's the insane belief that we can do something about it that is the very definition of hubris.

If we can't stop the irradiation of the northern hemisphere, what makes anyone think you can effect something as complex as climate.

[AnAnonymous]

If we can't stop the irradiation of the northern hemisphere, what makes anyone think you can effect something as complex as climate.
___________________________________________

That is the point. US citizens have boundary issues. They have no self control.

So they depend on a third party to absorb the poor consequences of their acts, as US citizens can not prevent themselves from performing those acts.

Indeed, once again, it is good to remember that US citizen nature is eternal and by thus, they could not stop their impact on the environment.

Only do what they are used to doing: monetizing/servicing the consequences.

[bankonzhongguo]

Who's minding the store over there today?

Articles on gardening, climate and 'the Titantic."

Is "Tyler" at the dentist this morning?

[krispkritter]

Yeah, he's doing Kari a favor by taking her in for some work...he blinded half the readership by posting that fucking picture...

[MobBarley]

I wonder how Marla feels about Tylers continuing and abusively abusive abuse (:P_) of his readership
again after promising not to do that anymore?

[francis_sawyer]

It gives us all something to do while Bennie changes the printer cartridge...

[firstdivision]

OT: Time to sell as every EUR that is not nailed down.

[cooperbry]

Wouldn't have anything to do with Operation Cloverleaf would it?

[tempo]

Water levels will equalize unless there is a damn holding the higher water back. The world economies (pay, living standards) will equalize between the East ($1,25/hr at Foxconn) and the West ($40/hr union jobs) when (no if) the damn(deficit financing by the Govt and student aid) breaks. The US/EU ability to finance trillion dollar deficits holds up wages and allows for unnecessary regulation in the West.

[LouisDega]

Hellooooooo Lloyd lindsay Young Bitchezz

[jsmfr]

I want to hear Dr. Martin Abend's take on this too.....

[Jack Burton]

Don't look at the temperature records, look at the all time highs set versus all time lows set. This tells you if a trend exists. The long term trend is up.

Climate has a natural cycle and can switch states very quickly. Any natural system that has a new and non-internal input will likely change. You can argue human buring of fossil carbon is natural. We are of this earth after all. So can buring fossil carbon increase the concentration of co2 in the atmosphere? Yes. Does increased co2 trap heat that would otherwise be radiated into space. Yes.

So get over it. The phyisics are settled science. Unless you can show with your equations that the physics needs to be changed. There is lots of room in a comment space for your equations to change the nature of physics as we know it.

[pods]

The trouble with your jackwagons is that you have the hubris to think that you can actually break down something as complex as how the earth behaves into an equation.

pods

[MachoMan]

I think it will eventually get close enough to be practically correct...  but I agree that we're not remotely close at this juncture.

[Flakmeister]

This is coming from the guy who tried to argue with me that AGW was a crock because you could not define the temperature of the planet....

Out of curiosity, do you think that computers and TVs work by magic?

[pods]

Hey buddy, still waiting on that grant?  No worries, FEDS have to spend money to keep the ship afloat.

And yes, I stand by what I said, and you correctly repeated.

What is your definition of the temperature of the planet?  

How many sampling points?  From how many places?  Weighted averages? Running average?  etc. 

If you were not so deeply involved with making charts that slope upwards you could actually see WHY you guys have a problem.

pods

[Flakmeister]

Why don't you google up how it is done instead of continuing to display your ignorance....

Here, I'll even start you out on the process:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/03/updating-the-cru-and-hadcrut-temperature-data/

[pods]

Why do you constantly have to prove my points?

"The latest incarnation of the CRUTEM land surface temperatures and the HadCRUT global temperatures are out this week. This is the 4th version of these products, which have undergone a number of significant changes over that time and so this is a good opportunity to discuss how and why data products evolve and what that means in the bigger scheme of things."

First, there are two "products".  Second, this is the 4th version of those two products.

So is this version THE measurement?

What were you saying about version 2?

Love how you just cannot admit that even arriving at what humans call temperature is an incredibly difficult thing.

pods

[Flakmeister]

If you spent half the time that you waste putting forth bogus arguments and rhetoric into learning how things are actually done, you would be so much better off....

I suggest you start with learning the Stefan-Boltzmann law...

[pods]

So we are now back to theoretical?  

Do we have to assume that all this incident radiation has only two outcomes?  Either heat or re-radiation?

Does photosynthesis come into play here?  

I am flattered that you would think you know what is best for me.  

Maybe if I had my entire life dedicated to proving a conclusion I may become as myopic as you?

[riphowardkatz]

Your arguments always end the same don't they?

Person disagrees with you...

Flameister provides a link with "incontrvertible proof"

Person points out logical fallacy with your "incontrvertible proof"

Flakmeister says your an idiot and/or (rhetoric, f'yourself, you dont know science)

While I do not think the future climate can be modeled I am 100% sure your stinky arguments can be programmed fairly easily. 

[Flakmeister]

I do not put up "incontravertible proof", I provide a basis for discussion. It is not my fault that no one wants to discuss the basics.. Pray tell, where has someone shown a logical fallacy? Put up or shut up...

And when people say that GW is a hoax because you cannot define a global temperature, well, I simply call a spade a spade...

I do notice that you have added nothing except empty rhetoric....

Do you want to debate me manno manno, no ad homs? Straight science? C'mon, let's go... 

[slewie the pi-rat]

no, but i don't understand all the science behind them, either, altho i've spent years w/ cathode ray tubes, wavies, capacitors, triodes, and even tried to self-learn Basic, getting as far as double-subscripted variables;  years later i recognized my gf's thought patterns and logic in them!  i told her about this and she said:  exactly, slewie!  now EAT ME!!!

why don't you just stop whatever you do and go build a TV from scratch, just using parts, ok?  let us know how the picure is, when you get done!

too bad the scientists were caught acting like accountants and fuking banksters, trying to get something they could "monetize" by, er,...lying about the data  while they pontificated "models & solutions"

just a fuking crying shame, but not as moronic as that they won't stop trying to get everybody's money involved in their fuking "science"...

i have no idea what the "truth" is:  only that it is bigBidness to get involved in theIndustry

i saw enuf of bigBidness in vietNam to last me the next 40+ years:  once one knowZ the diff between shit & shinola, if something fails that smell test, it simply fails, for slewie

but then again, i don't depend on "science" for my continued planetary existence

as a matter of fact, after the nukuler asshats finally shut tf up about how "safe, clean and cheap" their lil cash cow was, even japan came around to slewie's scientific perspective on "safety":  unless and until you can safely dispost of the fuking wastes, it ain't fuking safe!  turns out i knew more about nukuler energy safety than all the fuking experts, COMBINED!

so your fuking "science" may have ended my planetary existence, but i just haven't developed the symptoms leading to the "goodNewz" yet

but you shoulda seen those "scientific" trolls trying to protect their little asswipe paychecks by spreading constant "scientific safety" disinfo HERE!

hordes of sheepskinned loser "scientific" sheeple made asses out of themselves, then disappeared, apparently to fudge more safety numbers for those children afflicted with leukemia in france and the EU~~you know, so they can keep "working" on poisoning the fuking planet "scientifically"

[Jack Burton]

Great point. Imagine if he really knew how computers worked! He would refuse to believe it!  Semi conductor physics relies on some pretty spooky sounding stuff to work.

And as for equations not being able to explain the world? The joke is on him, the world is totally explainable in equations. These equations are not simple, or applied to climate are they easy to formulate. But yes, anything in the physical world is open to being explained in equations. This begs the question why all natural things are open to being explained in equations. God is a very spooky guy.

[pods]

Oh no, talk down to me.  Might make me feel bad.

Old redneck don't know where fancy plug goes in the back of the magic box.

I never said the world was not explainable with equations.  Just that man is not capable of doing it.

pods

[rsnoble]

I used to hate winter. I just went to my rooftop and sprayed every can of aerosol I have. LOL.

[memyselfiu]

why exactly did you do that?

[Chupacabra-322]

Ahhhhh, I love the smell of Carbon Tax Dervivertives in the morning. 

[FrankIvy]

Global Warming/Climate Change is one of these potentially-major issues that I have put in the "Oh Well" bin.  Things there include - getting older, paying taxes, and that love of my life with whom it just didn't work out. 

Here's the thing.

On one side you have your Enviro-nuts, who want you labelled with a brain disease if you don't agree with them.  They do things like make up data and black list contrary scientists to try to get their way.  Very reminiscent of a bratty 6 year old on his birthday.

On the other side you have your - never-going-to-believe-it-no-matter-how-much-data crowd that views the GW/CC debate as a proxy for abortion or some other political issue.

In reality, it just doesn't matter, because the alleged cause of GW/CC is consumption of fossil fuels, and there is no way, no how, uh-uh, never gunnuh happen that we don't burn every last drop and wiff of the fossil fuels we can access.  No way.  It's like an unattended, hungry kid with a bag of M+Ms.  There is just no way they're not going to eat every, single one.

So I don't worry, I don't argue, and I don't think about it.  There is zero chance that the people living today and in the next few decades are going to voluntarily cut back on their FF use.  Only depletion and price will do that.  But it will all get burned.  Be assured.

And then come what may.  Worry about things that aren't already a done deal.

[Flakmeister]

Sad but very likely true....

Easter Island was not a one shot deal....

[Death and Gravity]

"On one side you have your Enviro-nuts, who want you labelled with a brain disease if you don't agree with them. "

On the contrary, that is a very small, and themselves mentally suffering (and/or authoritarian) faction of the movement, which are netiher worthy of attention, or of being equated with the wide environmentalist or climate realist movement as a whole.

Of course, the 'nuts are a convenient strawman for generalising the entire topic by the denialist crowd, which I've myself seen richly represented in my years in libertarian circles.

[FrankIvy]

Death and Gravity wrote: "the 'nuts are a convenient strawman . . . denialist . . . ."

You complain of strawmen, then label the entire other side of the argument "denialists." You're irrational.  And I'm not generalizing.  I mean it specifically.  You are irrational, and your use of the loaded word "denialist" perfectly exemplifies what I meant by my reference to 6th graders.  I could never take anybody seriously, on an intellectual/scientific level, who used a word like "denialist" to refer to those arguing against him.

[Flakmeister]

Sorry... but based on my conversations with a number of people and exchanges here at the Hedge, some people can only be labelled "denialists"...

[CrockettAlmanac.com]

Some of the biggest AGW deniers are ironically AGW advocates who tell their minions that while global warming isn't likely to be real it must be promoted in order to effect social change. Apparently these geniuses don't realize that we can read their words on the Internets.

"We've got to ride this global warming issue.
Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of
economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment

"It doesn't matter what is true,
it only matters what people believe is true."
- Paul Watson,
co-founder of Greenpeace

[slewie the pi-rat]

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how tf a buncha degenerate, cowardly, mammy-fied  bilge rats ever got so freaking lucky is too pornographic to chart! 

{did you see that comment about it's warmer b/c we're now closer to the magnetic equator? how freaking great is that?}

[Colombian Gringo]

And that is exactly our point....political activists pretending to be scientists.  Denialism is not a scientific term but an Ad hominem, a personal attack against those who disagree with your politicial and religious views.  As soon I as I heard this term used to supposedly discredit scientists sceptical of the theory of CAGW, I knew that there was a political agenda behind the science. Climategate subsequently demonstrated to anyone with an open mind that the so called scientists promoting CAGW were nothing more that well paid hucksters, singing for their suppers and tawdry academic rewards.  

Enough , I have better things to do, like imaging Kari in bed with me; her face will scare away all my personal demons <g.

[slewie the pi-rat]

no way she will like yer tits as much as slewie does!

[francis_sawyer]

 "On the contrary, that is a very small, and themselves mentally suffering (and/or authoritarian) faction of the movement, which are netiher worthy of attention, or of being equated with the wide environmentalist or climate realist movement as a whole..."

~~~

So where, on the scale of things, does a person who uses up half the comment space on a blog thread plot out to?... Just wondering...

[yogibear]

Obama brings back the carbon credits big after the the election. Just so much money by just a few people to be made.

[Bartanist]

Ok, so THEY drop chemtrails all over the US, but not over the Pacific where they expect the effects of Fukishima to do its work... and so Californaia, Oregon and Washing ton get normal temperatures with a chance of death from radiation, while the rest of us get the heat.... and supposedly nanofibers.

[Cathartes Aura]

FYI, the Hawaiian Islands are heavily aerosoled, and have been for years.   they're also suffering the effects of depleted uranium testing,

Public outcry and concerns over dangers from radiation prompted two front page stories in the Honolulu Advertiser May 11 and May 14.  The military only then admitted the possibility that DU had been used at Pohakuloa. Earlier on Oahu in 2005, the American Friends Service Committee obtained a U.S. Army email through the Freedom of Information Act.  The email referred to an ordinance clean up at Schofield Barracks Oahu.  It read as follows:We have found much that we did not expect, including the recent find of Depleted Uranium. The disclosure culminated in the release of the discovery of 15 M-101 rounds containing DU to the Honolulu media.

http://mauialmanac.com/2007/12/17/depleted-uranium-coverup/

[FeralSerf]

No doubt about it -- climate change is real.   When we didn't like the weather, we used to say: "just wait a while -- it'll change."  And it did, although not always in the direction that was preferred.  The idea that man  controls the weather, either through prayer, rain dances, and other nonsense if hubris.   H. sapiens is  just temporary, relatively insignificant pond scum on the face of the planet.  And if you don't like that, just wait a while -- thay will change as well.

[HROLLER]

Listen very carefully to this video. It maybe a little boring, but make sure you take it all in. The technology to alter weather has been around for many decades.

Col Thomas E. Bearden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMuzVLGrtXg

[Cathartes Aura]

nice one, thanks!

[wherewasi]

I'll never get how models that need to do much less (like tell me if it's going to rain tomorrow) can't get it right, but I'm suppopsed to buy that other scientists totally understand the future of the plants' climate.

Just in case, maybe you better build some more windmills and start taxing me HARD.

[insanelysane]

geomagnetic reversal

[bobola]

Am reading The White Lantern by Evan Connell.

Scott's Antarctic party found a coal seam there which proves the south polar region was once warm and covered by vegatation, probably during the dinosaur age.

Change is constant.

[memyselfiu]

News flash: people walked across from Russia to Alaska once.

When you say change is constant let`s put it in some perspective- as in agrarian society is how old comparatively?

[surf0766]

global warming

climate change

global climate disruption

All the same scam.

Anyone who wishes to change the world only seeks to control it.

[Transformer]

Dear ZH reader,

  Please notice that the AGW folks on this thread don't like to argue the merits, they prefer name calling, and bursts of anger.

[Colombian Gringo]

Correct. Theological debates tend to get very vicious, especially when it comes to the Church of  CAGW.

[Flakmeister]

Wow...your analytic abilities are showing, no wonder you can't understand AGW....

The most foul mouthed in this thread is this Gringo fellow who really seems to have a thing about fellatio and Al Gore...

Would you like to debate AGW? No ad homs or the like....are you up to it? 

[orangegeek]

Contact the astrophysics department.

Don't tell the Al Gore lemmings - they just obstruct science.

[Bob Sacamano]

But everyone is an evolutionist now.  So if there is global warming, won't man just adapt or evolve to handle the warmer temperature?  And even if, worst case, man gets wiped out, won't there be other species that thrive in warmer temperatures?  Given the equality of all species, who is man to "determine" the "correct" earth temperature?  Other species like it hot.  Those trying to control the temperature are so self centered and not abiding by the logical conclusions of evolution.

[AnAnonymous]

Ah, the love of humanity.

Really funny how natural to US citizens to speak on behalf of humanity.

It is not about human species survival but all the distortions a climate change will induce.

But hey, coping with the consequences of the climate change is going to be a hefty US citizen economics sector in the future.

So where is my job?

[TheFourthStooge-ing]

AnAnonymous said:

Ah, the love of humanity.

Really funny how natural to US citizens to speak on behalf of humanity.

Really funny how Chinese citizenism citizens are so sanctimonious about US citizens.

Well...not really so much funny as hypocritical.

Amusing, actually, when you say one thing about US citizenism and then quickly turn around and say the opposite thing about US citizenism. Typically Chinese citizenismistic.

Ah, but don't ever point out the contradictions of the Chinese citizenism citizen, or he will fly into a blind rage of denial, which is always the step one of Chinese citizenism offuscationism.

Also, don't ever show the Chinese citizenism citizen his own words of self-contradiction, or he will resort to the step two of Chinese citizenism offuscationism, which is fleeing like a running dog.

Followed by repeation.

Always denial, running dog ignoration, denial, running dog ignoration, repeation to the end of days. Easily predictable.

So where is my job?

Made me laugh. You are doing your job now. Stumbling down to your neighborhood PLOP (Peoples Liberation Opium Parlor), breathing in the sweet smoke of Chinese citizenism opium parlorism, your brain burning bright with Chinese citizenism denialism and running dog ignoration, and using opium parlor wifi hotspot to make many fevered rantings about US citizenism.

Going to be some bigtime parties downthere at your neighborhood PLOP with you on the job.

[AnAnonymous]

A world of fantasy.

This is how US citizens deal with reality.

More of the chinese citizenism fantasy.

By the way, is there an obligation for fantasy to be self consistent? Or should not fantasy be allowed to be fantasy.

Point at much as you wish to the errings of chinese citizenism, it is your creation, your own fantasy.

"Where is my job?" It refers about the very fact that US citizens are happy with ignoring the consequences of their acts if that provides them with a job.

Now I should be employed by some chinese organization or something?

It is funny how US citizens like to project their fantasies onto others.

Save that as US citizenism is real, well, it gives situations like Mali.

[TheFourthStooge-ing]

Observe here more Chinese citizenism denial.

If confronted with facts, he will ignore and flee.

As long as you are the biggest advocate of US citizenism in China, it is assured to progress there rapidly.

With you singing its praises, US citizenism is unstoppable.

[AnAnonymous]

US citizenism certainly does not need me to spread.

US citizenism is spreading everywhere around the world, and without me influencing it.

It is funny how US citizens can mix facts and fantasy.

Chinese citizenism is pure fantasy while US citizenism is not.

US citizenism is the prevailing set of beliefs in the world and has to be treated equally to the chinese citizenism.

This is where US citizen love for equality shows.

When it's come to respect equal rights to liberty or property, well, it has been another story but without that, without US citizens acting US citizen, their eternal nature would not be eternal and US citizenism would not be as US citizen does.

[TheFourthStooge-ing]

AnAnonymous said:

It is funny how US citizens can mix facts and fantasy.

Chinese citizenism is pure fantasy while US citizenism is not.

US citizenism is the prevailing set of beliefs in the world and has to be treated equally to the chinese citizenism.

This is where US citizen love for equality shows.

Sure, sure, keep changing the horse in mid stream. You always rely upon self-contradiction to make your point. You then rely upon opium parlorism to forget what you've done.

Clever subterfuge, but I see through your clouds of opium smoke.

[Bob Sacamano]

"It is not about human species survival but all the distortions a climate change will induce."

There are no "distortions" -- just an evolution.  There is no right or wrong temperature in evolution and therefore no "distortions" to the way things should be as a result.  Distortion implies the change (warmer temperatures) is "bad" or not the way things should be (a deformity of some kind).   We should embrace such distortion because evolution embraces those changes / distortions. 

So who is man to want things to stay constant just so it pleases man??   And I thought all evolutionists were good science based thinkers who thought through their beliefs to the logical conclusions.  Guess not.

[HROLLER]

"Why in the World are They Spraying?" Official Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3__ssxTvNc

What in the World Are They Spraying? (Full Length)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA

[q99x2]

Carbon Tax Conspiracy

[the grateful un...]

As a Dali Lama said, "imagine a world in which everyone drives a car"

which is the same thing the president of GM said. oh well

[roadhazard]

Global warming is coming just in time.  Not so much of a heating bill in the Winter. Bring it on.

[HROLLER]

Want to know about Chemtrails, HAARP , VLF, UHF and weather modification?

http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/want-to-know-about-haarp-vlf-uhf-and-weather-modification-want-to-prove-it-to-a-non-believer-here-you-go/

[Uncle Remus]

Isn't there a Godwin's Law for this shit too?

If not, well - HITLER.

[WarPony]

Happens every 125K years - global warming - just read about the Vostok ice core samples (wiki "ice age").  Not many SUVs in the fossil record!

[AchtungAffen]

Evidence of a new atomspheric normal right in your faces and people here still believes Global Warming was a hoax... You can't be dumber.

[AnAnonymous]

You can't be dumber.
________________________________________________

No.

In US citizenism, admission of facts has to be weighted against denial of facts.

Which one is going to be the most profitable?

There is nothing dumb about it.

Selling technology to cope with the consequences of climate change is going to grow bigger and bigger.

It is going to be a large and hefty US citizen economics sector.

But for it to be profitable, they have to deny the man made causes.

US citizens living in the US of A knew that their 19th century ponzi based on the assumption that there would always be more Indian land to transfer the next day was wrong.

They measured up the superficy of the US before the last piece of land was transfered.

But the denial of it was so much more profitable than admitting the fact.

Peak oil, the debt problem, the real estate bubble, the infinite growth, everything has to be approached through US citizenism angle:

Is it more profitable to deny or to accept it?

Nothing dumb. Only the expression of US citizenism.

[TheFourthStooge-ing]

Your Chinese citizenism propaganda burning brainism is more transparent than the clouds of opium smoke which surround you in the PLOP (Peoples Liberation Opium Parlor) wifi hotspot.

[AnAnonymous]

Ah, yes, US citizenism offuscation capacity is disminishing by the day and the reality of it becomes every day clearer.

[TheFourthStooge-ing]

One wonders if he dresses up in his Uncle Sam costume for his trip to the PLOP (Peoples Liberation Opium Parlor), and if he smokes his opium from a Statue of Liberty hookah.

[maximin thrax]

Bullshit.

The folks who have the most to gain from Global Warming/Climate Change are those who wish to control what everyone does through gaining control of government. To do this they must wrestle control from the industrialists, and what better way to do it than to negate their power through increased regulatory control?

 People who believe we should live like cave men in a world with one percent of the current population also believe in this for everyone else. So indirectly government benefits from AGW by siezing ever more control of our lives, which are so intwined with energy usage; control energy and you control liberty.

I do not believe in the purely altruistic motives of the global warming camp, and think their getting their hands on our government to save the planet will be a disaster. What's to be valued above Saving the Planet? Can we sacrifice freedom? Sure. Personal wealth? How selfish - of course! Knock off a few million people - to save the whole planet? If we must, then we must.

The AGW agenda is a political one that seeks ultimate superiority of its goal (saving the planet) above all others. It's awfully hard to argue against saving the planet.

BTW, the only direction left for economic growth in America is for us to make more of what we use, meaning fewer imports. Get ready, China.

[AchtungAffen]

It's not like energy corporations have trillions in future profit underground in the form of fossil fuels, right? And that any solution to Global Warming, according to actual science, would mean they'll have to leave those profits of the future down there in the ground; that'd mean energy corporations have EVERY INCENTIVE to cast doubt on the science so that dumb Americans would delay action that'd dent their profits? And you still believe that anybody is more powerful than those huge corporations (like Exxon) and that they are the good guys here?? YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME... Go distract yourself with more Al Gore conspiracy theories, serf.

[maximin thrax]

Every buck Exxon makes is another 20 miles I can drive, Bitch.

I never said they are the good guys, only that whereas they make stuff I use, the Global Warming Alarmist Lobby wants to take away my ability to use their products, all the while telling me they are just going after Big (fill in the blank). It's not Exxon the environuts have the most contempt for, it's Exxon's customers.

Given a choice of who will run the world, Big Corporation or Big Planet Saver, I chose the former because they need customers. Environmentalists want a die-off of a species they see as only a blight on the planet - humans.

[AchtungAffen]

And you don't mind that the stuff they use is what HAS changed the atmosphere into a new normal (with all the consequences that brings)? Must be great being a corporate serf... And then you cry when the banks stick it up your ass... they also want costumers like you to fuck clean.

And can't believe that your fabricated fear of enviromentalists makes you choose the people who are actually killing you? Can you be any dumber? Oh wait, you're a serf, that's right.

[Ol Man]

150 Years of Global Warming and Cooling at the New York Times

http://newsbusters.org/node/11640

;)

[Ghostmaker]

"NEW UK Met Office global temperature data confirms that the world has not warmed in the past 15 years.

Analysis by the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) of the newly released HadCRUT4 global temperature database shows that there has been no global warming in the past 15 years – a timescale that challenges current models of global warming."

http://jennifermarohasy.com/2012/04/no-global-warming-for-15-years-david...

"

1951 Scientific Consensus : Globe Warming – Glaciers Melting – Arctic Warming Dramatically – Lakes Drying Up – Sun Blamed"

http://www.real-science.com/1951-scientific-consensus-globe-warming

"

You have recently received a letter from the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), purporting to convey a “consensus” of the scientific community that immediate and drastic action is needed to avert a climatic catastrophe.

We do not seek to make the scientific arguments here (we did that in an earlier letter, sent a couple of months ago), but simply to note that the claim of consensus is fake, designed to stampede you into actions that will cripple our economy, and which you will regret for many years. There is no consensus, and even if there were, consensus is not the test of scientific validity. Theories that disagree with the facts are wrong, consensus or no.

We know of no evidence that any of the “leaders” of the scientific community who signed the letter to you ever asked their memberships for their opinions, before claiming to represent them on this important matter.

We also note that the American Physical Society (APS, and we are physicists) did not sign the letter, though the scientific issues at stake are fundamentally matters of applied physics. You can do physics without climatology, but you can't do climatology without physics."

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/3606/Team-of-Scientists-Open-Letter-To-US-...

[Vendetta]

What would woolly mammoths do?

[mt paul]

come north

bring your own fork..

[Curt W]

all those hotter newer I-Phones warming the hearts and homes of the cunsumer class.

[Totin]

Sav da earf. pola bairs dyin. floreda sinking. gubermant need carbon tax. Please, sav da earf 2day.

[mt paul]

 interior Alaska 

March was one of the coldest  in a long time..

one of the 10th coldest ever

[Vendetta]

I don't really care what the Gore fanatics think, believe or whatever.  Let it burn, China is churning out the pollution but they focus on the US... what pathetic irony.  They remind me of what the bush followers did while that prick had his field day running roughshod over this formerly great nation and helped lead it straight into the ditch.  Same shit, different corrupt prick, same fanaticism ... common denomintor: globalist scum leading the way.  Just like Obama

[memyselfiu]

bwahahahaha! You silly fucks never learn!

http://www.wunderground.com/resources/climate/ozone_skeptics.asp

DuPont, which made 1/4 of the world's CFCs, spent millions of dollars running full-page newspaper advertisements defending CFCs in 1975, claiming there was no proof that CFCs were harming the ozone layer. Chairman Scorer of DuPont commented that the ozone depletion theory was "a science fiction tale...a load of rubbish...utter nonsense." (Chemical Week, 16 July 1975).

The aerosol industry also launched a PR blitz, issuing a press release stating that the ozone destruction by CFCs was a theory, and not fact. This press release, and many other 'news stories' favorable to industry, were generated by the aerosol industry and printed by the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Fortune magazine, Business Week, and the London Observer (Blysky and Blysky, 1985). The symbol of Chicken Little claiming that "The sky is falling!" was used with great effect by the PR campaign, and appeared in various newspaper headlines.

[Flakmeister]

An excellent example... well done...

Similarly, would you trust a website, WUWT, that recieves funding from the Heartland Institute (which is in turn funded primarily by fossil fuel interests) for an objective discussion of GW, A or otherwise?? 

[Colombian Gringo]

No, I would rather trust Al Gore and Maurice pedophile Strong instead. They would never lie for money and power, would they?

[Flakmeister]

Can you carry on any sort of discussion without reference to a sexual act or alledged preference?

I am starting to wonder if your Mom knows you still live in her basement...

No, you would rather trust the Koch Bros. and the fossil fuel interests (hint, those are the guys making trillions)

[Bansters-in-my-...]

Wow.... All I get is aluminum and barium CHEMTRAILS...!!!!

SPRAYING ALL DAY LONG HERE....

[AchtungAffen]

Keep on being distracted, that's a good serf!

[PLove]

How many flowers and dying trees did you see on your Masters Golf TV last week?  Ans.  Practically no flowers and lots of dying trees.   Talk about dead men walking.

There are a total of 1,995,484 cell tower and antenna facilities in the US ... with 739 towers and 1074 antennas added in the last week. This is obviously a crash program.

These facilities broadcast radio waves, microwaves, and scalar waves.

Now what happens when thousands of chemtrail airplanes dump mega tons of ionizable metal salts and nanoparticles high in the atmosphere? The global air gets more conductive, right?

And warmer!

[Cathartes Aura]

where's the thread on this topic?    I'm sure there are some mock-able face/body pics to be linked with it for the hard of reading. . . more people are noting this subject in thread, there's lots information that could be covered. . .

[FreeNewEnergy]

I'll take Tilt and Wobble for 3657 years... er, dollars, Alex.

Watch the sunrise/sunset times and inclination.

Change is good, I've heard.

[Plumplechook]

Of course human-induced climate-change is happening.   The science behind it is so simple that even most of the Beavis-and-Butthead-level intellects that hang around this site should be able to grasp it - i.e.: 

- C02 is a greenhouse gas that traps heat in the atmosphere

- The concentration of C02 in the atomosphere has been  climbing since the start of the industrial revolution and has accelerated over the last 60 years as the pace of industrialization has accelerated

- This has led to a small but perceptible rise in average temperatures around the globe with a consequent impact on weather systems.  That rise is accelerating.

But here is the thing:  I WELCOME climate change.  I hate the cold and have always believed that the earth, in general, is way too cold for comfortable human habitation.  I look forward to a much warmer future where quality vinyards exist in upstate Minnesota, where people don't have to dig their cars out of the snow each winter in Idaho,  where folks can swim comfortably in the Great Lakes 9 months of the year.   Sure a few places are going to get a bit too hot for comfortable living - but those places are marginal desert area anyway like parts of Arizona or Texas and no one is forcing folks to stay there. 

We need to start looking at global warming as mankind's greatest gift to this planet - and one that keeps on giving!

[memyselfiu]

gonna be a long time before we can swim comfortably in superior....

[AchtungAffen]

You know and understand very little. In the process many ecosystems will be lost, biodiversity lost, and in the end you'll have to learn to eat fucking rocks. Besides, who knows what the new atmospheric balance will be. Because that's what happens, climate jumps from one balance to the other. And it might be quite different from what you expect. That's complex systems for you.

[Hook Line and S...]

Warming is only one thing. Stranger yet, note how all the tornado's of late occurred next to nexrad stations (usually by airports).  http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/

[reTARD]

It's only because anarchy just got hotter, bitchez! Government, no matter big or limited and small, inevitably becomes too big and over-reaching and overpowering. All governments fail just as all fiat currencies fail.

Government = monopoly on force and violence.

[rhaan]

According to NCDC this March in North America was *just barely* warmer than the March of 1910. That despite the fact that temperatures from 1910 have been adjusted downward a great deal by NCDC and recent temperatures are always adjusted upwards.

But don't mind the facts and just continue beating the CAGW drum.

And please ignore the fact that snow blizzards are raging in Rumania right now.

[Flakmeister]

An Addendum from NOAA:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/maps.php?submitted=true&year=2012&month=3&imgs[]=Nationaltrank&imgs[]=Nationalprank&imgs[]=Regionaltrank&imgs[]=Regionalprank&imgs[]=Statewidetrank&imgs[]=Statewideprank&imgs[]=Divisionaltrank&imgs[]=Divisionalprank&ts=12#maps

Last 3 months and 12 months were the warmest on record
The previous 12-month period (April 2011 -March 2012), which includes the second hottest summer (June-August) and fourth warmest winter (December-February), was the warmest such period for the contiguous United States. The year-to-date period (January - March) was also the warmest on record. NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index, an index that tracks the highest 10 percent and lowest 10 percent of extremes in temperature, precipitation, and drought, was 39 percent, nearly twice the long-term average and the highest value on record for the January - March period. The predominant factor was the large area experiencing extremes in warm daily maximum and minimum temperatures

[rhaan]

Houston, we have a problem

March 28, 2012

The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001

Dear Charlie,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,

(Attached signatures)

CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science

CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center

Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change.

/s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years

/s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years

/s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years

/s/ Jerry C. Bostick – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years

/s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman – JSC, Scientist – astronaut, 5 years

/s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41 years

/s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox – JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years

/s/ Walter Cunningham – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years

/s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys., Engr. Dir., 44 years

/s/ Leroy Day – Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years

/s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. – JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years

/s/Charles F. Deiterich – JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years

/s/ Dr. Harold Doiron – JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years

/s/ Charles Duke – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years

/s/ Anita Gale

/s/ Grace Germany – JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years

/s/ Ed Gibson – JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years

/s/ Richard Gordon – JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years

/s/ Gerald C. Griffin – JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space Center, 22 years

/s/ Thomas M. Grubbs – JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31 years

/s/ Thomas J. Harmon

/s/ David W. Heath – JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years

/s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. – JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years

/s/ James R. Roundtree – JSC Branch Chief, 26 years

/s/ Enoch Jones – JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years

/s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin – JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life Sciences, 22 years

/s/ Jack Knight – JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40 years

/s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft – JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson Space Center, 24 years

/s/ Paul C. Kramer – JSC, Ass.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div., Egr. Dir., 34 years

/s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen

/s/ Dr. Lubert Leger – JSC, Ass’t. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30 years

/s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs, 40 years

/s/ Donald K. McCutchen – JSC, Project Engineer – Space Shuttle and ISS Program Offices, 33 years

/s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser – Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station Program, 28 years

/s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years

/s/ Tom Ohesorge

/s/ James Peacock – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years

/s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years

/s/ Joseph E. Rogers – JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr. Directorate,40 years

/s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum – JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr. Dir., 48 years

/s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt – JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years

/s/ Gerard C. Shows – JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years

/s/ Kenneth Suit – JSC, Ass’t Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years

/s/ Robert F. Thompson – JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years/s/ Frank Van Renesselaer – Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years

/s/ Dr. James Visentine – JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years

/s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried – JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini & Apollo, MOD, 10 years

/s/ George Weisskopf – JSC, Avionics Systems Division, Engineering Dir., 40 years

/s/ Al Worden – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 15, 9 years

/s/ Thomas (Tom) Wysmuller – JSC, Meteorologist, 5 years

[Flakmeister]

Nope.... here is some commentary that I trust (realclimate.com)

[This is pure politics. As former employees of NASA they should know full well that NASA doesn't take official positions on scientific issues. I note that they provide no references for the 'unsupported' statements that think NASA has made. Scientists who work for NASA are however expected to talk about their results, write about them and submit them for peer review. What these letter writers are asking for is for the administration to curtail the free speech rights of NASA employees that they disagree with and that is just wrong. If I asked Bolden to tell Cunningham et al to to stop spouting nonsense, I would be instantly criticised for trying to quash dissent, but these guys have no qualms about it whatsoever. The only response needed is to point these people to the NASA statement on scientific openness that was made the last time people tried to politicise discussions of NASA science. Didn't work then, won't work now. - gavin]