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US Totalitarian State Wins After All: Obama Reinstates NDAA Military Detention Provision
Just over a week ago, we wrote of the challenge to Obama's NDAA totalitarian bill. Hope remained that Chris Hedges' view of the indefinite detention as "unforgivable, unconstitutional, and exceedingly dangerous" would bolster judgment. However, as Russia Today reports, a lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House's ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on the previous Chris Hedges'-driven order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction. The stay will remain in effect until at least September 28, when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to begin addressing the issue. It would appear the total fascist takeover of Amerika is drawing nearer by the day.
Some background:
What is ironic, is that in the ongoing absolute farce that is the theatrical presidential debate, there hasn't been one word uttered discussing precisely the kind of creeping totalitarian control, and Orwellian loss of constitutional rights, that the biparty-supported NDAA would have demanded out of the US republic. Why? Chris Hedges said it best:
The oddest part of this legislation is that the FBI, the CIA, the director of national intelligence, the Pentagon and the attorney general didn’t support it. FBI Director Robert Mueller said he feared the bill would actually impede the bureau’s ability to investigate terrorism because it would be harder to win cooperation from suspects held by the military. “The possibility looms that we will lose opportunities to obtain cooperation from the persons in the past that we’ve been fairly successful in gaining,” he told Congress.
But it passed anyway. And I suspect it passed because the corporations, seeing the unrest in the streets, knowing that things are about to get much worse, worrying that the Occupy movement will expand, do not trust the police to protect them. They want to be able to call in the Army. And now they can.
Via RT, Obama wins right to indefinitely detain Americans under NDAA:
A lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House’s ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process.
Last week, a federal judge ruled that an temporary injunction on section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 must be made permanent, essentially barring the White House from ever enforcing a clause in the NDAA that can let them put any US citizen behind bars indefinitely over mere allegations of terrorist associations. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on that order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction.
The stay will remain in effect until at least September 28, when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to begin addressing the issue
On December 31, 2011, US President Barack Obama signed the NDAA into law, even though he insisted on accompanying that authorization with a statement explaining his hesitance to essentially eliminate habeas corpus for the American people.
“The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it,” President Obama wrote. “In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists.”
A lawsuit against the administration was filed shortly thereafter on behalf of Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Chris Hedges and others, and Judge Forrest agreed with them in district court last week after months of debate. With the stay issued on Monday night, however, that justice’s decision has been destroyed.
With only Judge Lohier’s single ruling on Monday, the federal government has been once again granted the go ahead to imprison any person "who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners" until a poorly defined deadline described as merely “the end of the hostilities.” The ruling comes despite Judge Forrest's earlier decision that the NDAA fails to “pass constitutional muster” and that the legislation contained elements that had a "chilling impact on First Amendment rights”
Because alleged terrorists are so broadly defined as to include anyone with simple associations with enemy forces, some members of the press have feared that simply speaking with adversaries of the state can land them behind bars.
"First Amendment rights are guaranteed by the Constitution and cannot be legislated away," Judge Forrest wrote last week. "This Court rejects the Government's suggestion that American citizens can be placed in military detention indefinitely, for acts they could not predict might subject them to detention."
Bruce Afran, a co-counsel representing the plaintiffs in the case Hedges v Obama, said Monday that he suspects the White House has been relentless in this case because they are already employing the NDAA to imprison Americans, or plan to shortly.
“A Department of Homeland Security bulletin was issued Friday claiming that the riots [in the Middle East] are likely to come to the US and saying that DHS is looking for the Islamic leaders of these likely riots,” Afran told Hedges for a blogpost published this week. “It is my view that this is why the government wants to reopen the NDAA — so it has a tool to round up would-be Islamic protesters before they can launch any protest, violent or otherwise. Right now there are no legal tools to arrest would-be protesters. The NDAA would give the government such power. Since the request to vacate the injunction only comes about on the day of the riots, and following the DHS bulletin, it seems to me that the two are connected. The government wants to reopen the NDAA injunction so that they can use it to block protests.”
Within only hours of Afran’s statement being made public, demonstrators in New York City waged a day of protests in order to commemorate the one-year anniversary of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Although it is not believed that the NDAA was used to justify any arrests, more than 180 political protesters were detained by the NYPD over the course of the day’s actions. One week earlier, the results of a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the American Civil Liberties Union confirmed that the FBI has been monitoring Occupy protests in at least one instance, but the bureau would not give further details, citing that decision is "in the interest of national defense or foreign policy."
Josh Gerstein, a reporter with Politico, reported on the stay late Monday and acknowledged that both Forrest and Lohier were appointed to the court by President Obama.
As Chris Hedges said so well last week as he sued Barack Obama:
This demented “war on terror” is as undefined and vague as such a conflict is in any totalitarian state. Dissent is increasingly equated in this country with treason. Enemies supposedly lurk in every organization that does not chant the patriotic mantras provided to it by the state. And this bill feeds a mounting state paranoia. It expands our permanent war to every spot on the globe. It erases fundamental constitutional liberties. It means we can no longer use the word “democracy” to describe our political system.
The supine and gutless Democratic Party, which would have feigned outrage if George W. Bush had put this into law, appears willing, once again, to grant Obama a pass. But I won’t. What he has done is unforgivable, unconstitutional and exceedingly dangerous. The threat and reach of al-Qaida—which I spent a year covering for The New York Times in Europe and the Middle East—are marginal, despite the attacks of 9/11. The terrorist group poses no existential threat to the nation. It has been so disrupted and broken that it can barely function. Osama bin Laden was gunned down by commandos and his body dumped into the sea. Even the Pentagon says the organization is crippled. So why, a decade after the start of the so-called war on terror, do these draconian measures need to be implemented? Why do U.S. citizens now need to be specifically singled out for military detention and denial of due process when under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force the president can apparently find the legal cover to serve as judge, jury and executioner to assassinate U.S. citizens, as he did in the killing of the cleric Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen? Why is this bill necessary when the government routinely ignores our Fifth Amendment rights—“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law”—as well as our First Amendment right of free speech? How much more power do they need to fight “terrorism”?
Fear is the psychological weapon of choice for totalitarian systems of power. Make the people afraid. Get them to surrender their rights in the name of national security. And then finish off the few who aren’t afraid enough. If this law is not revoked we will be no different from any sordid military dictatorship. Its implementation will be a huge leap forward for the corporate oligarchs who plan to continue to plunder the nation and use state and military security to cow the population into submission.
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"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it." --William Munny
Cult classic next to twisted movies like Jacobs Ladder.
Awesome
Anything Terry Gilliam touches turns to gold. The old fella has an amazing mind!
Have you watched "Brazil"?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088846/
"Brazil" ... we're living it!
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http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/04/the-nightmare-of-the-absurd-terry-gilli...
The old bag with the weird disgusting facelift looks like Pelosi.
theres a shock. antarctica is looking more and more like prime relocation material every day.
Nope. Federal laws apply there too.
That'll deter any Americans from protesting at Amerikan embassies in Amerikkka.
there are actually new laws that restrict your right to protest around certain government officials and/or locations... and of course, you won't know that until you are arrested, detained and fined thousands of dollars for trying to exercise your constitutional right to speak out.
H.R. 347.
It's a felony charge too which allows them to permanently disarm you.
ATF can now confiscate firearms of SUSPECTS of drug crimes as well.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_International_Aviation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinal_Airpark
careful reading of even a wiki-link to these two "air parks" combined with a sharpie might help some connect the dots. . .
Non-event.....I had no doubt about this outcome. Nothing sort of revolution,and I'm not even sure that will, is going to change the plan that is in place.
We are fucked, and no one cares about anything other than Kim Karsashian's ass.
I don't care about that either.
Then there is truly nothing left for you.
Just my sense of humor.
Is Kim Kardashian's ass the ultimate bubble?
Ray J already popped that bubble...
Maybe so but it will not be allowed to deflate!
I believe it's a bubble that's already been pricked.
It is the ultimate keynesian dream bubble: it can withstand repeated exogenous shocks and deliberate sustained pricking without deflating (except in the long run). Bernanke makes offerings to it in the basement of the Fed.
The long RUN? Ew.
Adherence to Constitutional law is no more.
Prepare and act accordingly.
Adherence to Constitutional law is no more.
By the statists,lets see how many military types decide to go OFF the reservation.
Their Oaths mean everything to them....................
We already have an idea the number of FIRM Constitutionalists have been prepping for this for AT LEAST 18YRS.
And they are LEGION.
The Joint Chiefs, Pentagon and military brass are all sell out cowards. Just wait until their treasured pensions of worthless fiat go up in a pile of smoke. F Them.
Thats it, im moving to Burma..........
and how many American saild until the last 60 years in regarding to Nazi Germany:
This could not happen in the USA.
How could this dump germans let it happen?
Tata!
Here we go.
Waiting for the TSA to get their new brown shirted uniforms with the snazzy armbands.
I feel like vomitting and throwing something now. This is insane. Once the precedence is set, there won't be any turning back from a legal perspective. The government already detained a prior military guy for voicing his opinion a few weeks ago (he was released). I think that was a trial balloon....
How long before the first Jew is sacrificed at the Oblahblah alter?
Told ya so, bitchez.
Pictures, or it never happened.
Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier aka another street light decoration...?
I don't think the "Osama Slayer" has a choice. He is probably being blackmailed, can't imagine with what though.
Death. Thats what happens when you go against organized crime
His "Chicago Bathhouse" days.
fuckin commies
fascists... always have been... USSR, Lenin, Marx, Hitler... all controlled by fascists, just like bush, obummer and whoever comes next.
And this is the most horrifying video you will see all day...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwv9l6W8yc&feature=player_embedded#!
Right out of the Judge Roland Friesler play book, and they didn't even have to have a Reichstag fire.
Just look at that DOJ bastard squirm - but by God, he's not giving an answer!
+1 Van also remember how they put in the new anti protest laws
You Can’t Occupy This The government says the anti-protest bill was just a small tweak of the existing law. Don’t believe it.
snip
For one thing, the law makes it easier for the government to criminalize protest. Period. It is a federal offense, punishable by up to 10 years in prison to protest anywhere the Secret Service might be guarding someone. For another, it’s almost impossible to predict what constitutes “disorderly or disruptive conduct” or what sorts of conduct authorities deem to “impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions.”
"It's pretty late in the day." Duh.
They still need authorization for this? I'm almost disappointed. Who's in charge of this police state? Speak up! Your voice is being drowned out in the pablum of anarchy you've created.
The silent coup is over. The sullen cows of America ain't gonna do shit.
Mitt Romney will help - he is a republican
If Romney don't ride this hard, especially in the debates, he'll be missing a golden opportunity to show Obama for what he is, a TYRANT!!
HA! Obama=coke Romney= pepsi
Romney already said in the primary debates he supports NDAA as well as Patriot Act etc.
Robamney 2012!
Because under Romney,it will be utilized.If he's in,man your battle stations.And kiss your sons goodbye for the draft.
I do agree that Rob-me will be significantly worse. He's practically made that clear, and all his supporters seem to care about is revenge, bombing Iran, and supporting Izrahole.
I'm no partisan and not voting, period, but if that F'er gets in, we'd all better watch the F out. Seriously.
Derp-a-derpa-doo
You've been here for 1 year, 27 weeks. You have no fucking excuse for a post like this.
Some people learn from reading, while some don't. I have a pretty good idea which category you fall in.
Fuck Romney and the bankster limo he rode into town in.
Anyone sure that that bill doesn't include dictatorship?
That would be EO 12919.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/pdf/12919.pdf
Breaking News:
The earth has apparently been taken over "conquered" if you will by a master race of giant bankers. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive earth men or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain. There is no stopping them. And I for one welcome our new banker overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted opportunist, I could be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.
only the "earth men" then?
phew!
Verily I chuckle.
Are you really Kent Brockman?
Are they going to do something about the Pebble People?
This goes out to all the people here at ZH that didn't know the Fed produced a comic book about tiny people that live underground and plant flowers.
you think I am kidding?
PDF Version
http://wwhttp://www.bostonfed.org/education/pubs/wishes.htm
Alt. Link.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15271896/Federal-Reserve-Road-to-Roota-Comic
Bonus points if you read the conspiracy theory about these comic books.
Don't worry, maybe Romney will win and fix this...
...oh wait: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivE5gJdsJrw
We are so screwed.
This is interesting. Sorry if any typos, but the print is very tiny in this dictionary and my eyes are not what they used to be.
..."Bills of attainder as they are technically called, are such special acts of legislature as inflict capital punishments upon persons supposed to be guilty of high offences, such as treason and felony without any conviction in the ordinary course of judicial proceedings...If an act inflicts a milder degree of punishment than death, it is called a "bill of pains and penalties," but both are included in the prohibition in the Federal constitution Losier v. Sherman, 157 Kan. 153, 138 P. 2d 272, 273; State v. Graves 352 Mo. 1102, 182 S.W. 2d 46, 54."... Blacks Law Dictionary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_attainder
american's became fat and lazy. too lazy to complain about anything. easy to manipulate too.
Let us stop using the word Fascism indiscriminately.
As a matter of fact, neither the Soviet Union nor Fascist Nazi Germany had any Law that allowed the State detain and hold its own citizens imprisoned indefinitely. The problem was that both totalitarian States had very little respect for the rule of their own Law.
Unfortunately, we are moving more and more to some Latin America banana state society.
You forget those regimes didn't need any stinkin laws they would just execute you.
The insideousness of it is that it shields the perpeTRAITORS with sovereign immunity. So they don't have to start issuing blanket pardons to protect "retirees" and you can't legaly disembowel them after they leave office even with a Hangin' Judge.
They skipped Banana Republic and went straight to Psycopath Sovereign.
Moving ?
It arrived Dec.,2011.
Well, aren't WE special!
We have BOTH--laws granting gummit powers to kill and/or imprison us AND representatives of the State with no respect for enforcement of the law.
Just further proof that if you want something done RIGHT, you gotta call in the Americans. Heh.
And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
The lord knew full well where Cain's brother was but gave him due process anyway.
Taking away due process means civilization is going into a dark age..again.
Tyler very importantly quotes Hedges' excellent remark that corporations can no longer rely on local police protection, but will defer to military support.
This means some kind of collapse that effects public pensions is coming VERY soon, as many have presaged. VERY SOON.
Pensions are the key links in the leash that keeps cops working against crime. Take away pensions, and you may have laissez-faire economics in the streets, brick-and-molotov style.
Kind of makes the whole NYPD buildup look like an arms race with the Feds.
I said it first, I'll say it again ... there will be a Civil War before China, or Iran for that matter, is invaded.
I'm betting on Iran invasion first. I don't see civil war occuring until currency collapse, and I don't see currency collapsing without massive war.
That makes sense in light of EO13083.
http://clinton6.nara.gov/1998/05/1998-05-14-executive-order-13083-on-fed...
This means some kind of collapse that effects public pensions is coming VERY soon
Sooner or later it's inevitable. Too bad. Maybe if the cops actually protected and served the citizens, rather than spent all day harassing them with chickenshit traffic tickets, or busting them for harmless personal drug "crimes", then the taxpayers might have been there to backstop their pensions after the Great Evaporation wipes them out. Some might call that karma.
Inevitable, yes.
However, in NYC, for example, ticket-issuing is the job of auxiliary traffic cops, not patrollers. And they have it to a science. They will appear in your neighborhood at 7am on the day your registration expires, looking to see if you left your car on the street. I kid you not. It's worth sending a car for a $65 hit, or canvassing a neighborhood according to a schedule.
The recent ESB shooting is a perfect example of the NYPD playing hardball. "See? You put lousy, low-paid cops in a high profile place, in a critical situation, and see what happens?" Those were August hands playing cowboys and indians with a suicidal man, while the real O'Malley's were on leave, probably fishing in the Sound, or the Gulf, or the Bahamas. Where they spend the summer fishing depends on $eniority. The point is, the NYPD union is not run by guys who don't know wtf they are doing.
Gangs run the streets of NYC still. These gangs control crime. Every neighborhood has its gangs. Every precinct has representatives employed as gang liaisons. They are firemen and cops themselves.
Civil War!
no...no civil war. Only civil collapse. A war is predicated on organization socially, culturally/economic or geographicly and the inherent division of such with the opposing power, as with the first one. There is no such organization. Shall someone plant a ZH flag atop a hill and we all rally? Plant the US flag? Maybe eventually when certain military commanders figure things out. But until then it will be every family, cul-de-sac or other unpredictablel group for themselves, simply to survive. It is coming at us in pieces. I think it is unrealistic to imagine enough like minded Constitutionalists to come together, committed sufficiently, in large enough numbers to make a difference before it is too late.
Someone said, "rifle bitchez!" Please. Ever see what happens to a family with rifles against a modern SWAT team or military fire team with their support? I pray I am wrong. Just my cynical take...
Thanks for this. I wouldn't gloat if any of what I say became true.
I agree, there will definitely be civil disobedience, and I should say that while I don't see Civil War as inevitable I do see it, in fact, as more likely than an invasion of China. I might be overstepping on Iran, it's just that the anti-Iran saber has been rattling since what, 1976? And we have yet to see a blade pulled ...
IEDs make great force multipliers.
Ha, there will be no civil war. I worked in a Buffalo's restaurant while in grad school in the nineties. I heard those folks (middle aged, normal Americans, w/a bit of money to spend drinking and socializing) sitting around the bar while I was mopping up spilt beer and chicken grease. They were all watching Waco unfold on the bar's TVs and discussing it. I could not keep quiet. I actually bothered to ask one of them how they could support the FBI and ATF burning women and children alive. He said, "Now those people won't have a chance to hurt anyone else ever again." And this was in a Republican county when Clinton was prez.
Civil war? Dream on. The great bulk of people will roll right over, and anyone who stands up, armed, will be gunned down quickly. And partisans of both stripes will cheer.
Two terms: "American exceptionalism," and "confirmation bias."
That's it, and that's all.
What was to be expected? A scathing criticism by a circuit appeals judge? This has been well orchestrated since day one, while most were getting tanked on New Year's Eve. All the ducks are in a row and everyone's bought and paid for.
Oh the pageantry and theatrics that ensue,
from the one source you never knew.
And in the end you're far from then,
and all you know is untrue.
But if by will or happenstance should one's soul awake,
there is that chance of glimpsing truth
and dissolving the opaque.
From there it remains for one to choose
whether or not to follow the clues,
and end the act that seeks to distract
the lambs, the rams and the ewes.
a welcome perspective, creatively expressed.
Welcomed praise from a turkey vulture. Cheers mate.
Rifles Bithchez
So the rules of the game are if you can't win and there is no way out, YOU TAKE AS MANY AS YOU CAN WITH YOU!!!!! I'm just saying......
Its not over. Go read the analysis at Empty Wheel.
The one judge move is a Temporary Stay, pending a full review by the The Judge Panel of the Circuit Court.
No, it isn't over and I can't help but hold onto hope. However, it is the 2nd Circuit we are talking about here. Prepare to be shocked. I have never wanted to be wrong more than I do right now, but I have zero faith in the 2nd Circuit.
Obama is such a fucking bitch!
Yes, it is both parties. Both. Obamaney. Doesn't matter which freak wins, we all lose.
Isn't that the truth..
diclosure: I'm changing to a FEDERATIONIST.org
Vote Romney ... Obama will continue to centralize power, leach the middle class, control healthcare, increase energy restrictive edicts, and general rule as a dictator through executive orders. When it comes time to confiscate gold he will ... the last time this happened it lasted for 40 years.
FUck that shit.. I'm writing in my candidate. BOTH of those douche sticks will fuck us in the ass. It just depends on what segment of the country is on the other side of the person who wins which will decide who is who does the fucking and who gets fucked.
Oh that will make a huge difference in America
Let me take a moment to explain to you that will have NO right or privilege to accuse me of being complicit in the many outcomes, whether positive or negative as a result of my writing in my vote. On the other hand, I will be in your fucking face for every piece of shit legislation that rolls out of the office of the administration of the totalitarian you voted for provided he wins.
In other words, YOU'RE THE FUCKING PROBLEM, not me. I refuse to play their game and I'll be making more of a difference than you will be. You will be voting for the status quo, while I will remove my vote for the status quo in lieu of voting against everything it stands for.
But..you enjoy that shit sammy.. you earned it.
I want the government to get out of all activities that are not sanctioned by the Constitution ... no Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, disability, social security, phony regulations, Obamacare, etc., etc ...
I support your decision to write in your vote ... but, I will vote against the candidate that I think will take me away from the Constitution, and that is Obama
I'm with you on the "No... etc etc".. (see: federationist.org), however, you will be voting for the only person that successfully instituted a socialistic health care system and banned guns in the state of Mass. Last time I checked.. that wasn't in your list of fav's..
That is Romney, too. He fathered Obamacare and signed a permanent ban on scary-looking guns as governor of MA.
So now what?
You must really be clueless or so incredibly fucked up (if so, I would like whatever you're taking) to think that Romney is going to behave any differently than Obama. In fact, it seems as if you've been asleep for the entire election season:
1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.
2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama’s “economic stimulus” packages.
3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama’s bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.
4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.
5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.
6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.
7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the “independence” of the Federal Reserve.
8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.
9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.
10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.
11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.
12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.
13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.
14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.
15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.
16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.
17. Both candidates are “open” to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.
18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.
19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.
20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.
21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.
22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.
23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.
24. Both candidates support the practice of “extraordinary rendition”.
25. They both support the job-killing “free trade” agenda of the global elite.
26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.
27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.
28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.
29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.
30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.
31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a “cap and trade” carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as longas the entire globe goes along with it.
32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.
33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney’s “conversion” to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital’s investment in a company called “Stericycle” that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.
34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.
35. They both believe that a “two state solution” will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.
36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.
37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add “signing statements” to bills when he signs them into law.
38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.
39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.
40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.
http://www.infowars.com/40-points-that-prove-that-barack-obama-and-mitt-...
Despite all this...I wouldn't be surprised to see some crazy shit on "election" day.
Whether real or contrived...demonstrations, riots, what have you. Charges made of voter/election fraud by fervent supporters of either of these two jerks.
This is getting to be a little too flipped out.
Chads 2.0
LOL. You nailed Mutt Mitt.
That should explain the statistical tie...but it doesn't.
Seriously? I guess you didn't hear that Romney supports the NDAA legislation, too. I will not vote for Romney and I will not vote for Obama.
We are losing our liberty every day ... I believe this process will accelerate with an Obama second term ... I will vote against Obama by voting for Romney
"I will vote against Obama by voting for Romney"
Translation:
"I will vote against Obama by voting for Obama".
So it's ok to vote for a slower loss of liberty instead of kicking both sides to the curb? I implore you.. never become a teacher :D
Centralize power? Who brought us DHS, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the US? The same bastards that are behind Robme now.
four more years - hes not done yet we still have some freedoms!
To quote Bob Dylan
...Bury the rag deep in your face
For now’s the time for your tears
Back when music had meaning beyond pieces of green paper, yes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWdCKPtnYE
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.
...laid slain by a cane,
that sailed through the air and came down through the room,
doomed and determined to destroy all the gentle...
Indeed
Different source but same message....
Monster Steppenwolf
...The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seemed generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't, pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
Now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into the noose
And it just sits there watchin'
The cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole world's got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner, we can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into the noose
And it just sits there, watching
America
America, where are you now
Don't you care about your sons and daughters
Don't you know, we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk3sURDS4IA&feature=related
Must go to SCOTUS. DOJ case under Judge Forrest was so lame and so bogus she even mocked them as she struck down NDAA. DOJ is treasonous.
And Chairman of Joints Chiefs calling Pastor Jones over the bogus video to try and enforce Sharia Blasphemy laws in America has led one law professor to call for immediate resignation of Obama for high crimes. People like Jones will get disappeared for slamming Mohammend if NDAA does not go away.
Just gets creepier everyday.
I don't know that creepy describes this sufficiently.. it's more like "HOLY FUCKING SHIT, there's people under the stairs", kind of creepy..
+100
SCOTUS will gladly sell us out. Again. Separation of Powers is as dead as Habeus Corpus and Posse Commitatus.
..and who knows what wonders romney has in mind I feel so ALIVE
When is the part where Barry gets to drive around in a gaudy uniform and remove little boys and girls from their families for his pleasure?
What is "unforgivable, unconstitutional, and exceedingly dangerous" is the fact that U.S. media ignores this development entirely. RT reports? Are you fucking kidding me!?
Not true. I read about this 3 days ago in The Blaze.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-admin-argues-suspending-ndaas-indefinite-detention-provision-does-irreparable-harm-to-u-s/
The MSM was bought and paid for years ago.
The MSM consists of ABC, CBS, NBC, and most big city newspapers. The supporting cast includes CNN, MSNBC, and NPR -RRoss
Obama still needs to make good on his brown-shirted promise. The Obama fascist squad.
He'll have 4 more years to develop that soon.
Civilian National Security Force
Obama's Brown-shirts.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg
It won't take 4 years, that's guaranteed.
Hedges and the tards at RT misrepresent the story. The law only affects US citizens. When you claim on a voter registration card to being a US citizen you surrender your rights as an American.
And Democracy? Paleeeze! It's a Republic stupid.
Morons everywhere. Fear is the enemy and that's exactly what this case inspires.
These are the clues people.
Correct, we are citizens of the specific states within which we reside.
Tuco
And it's time to make that distinction mean something. Hard 10th Amendment bitchez!
Obama needs fout more years. Not because of anything he wants to do but, if he's kicked out what'll he do? Where does one live after they've lost their public housing?
I am waiting to see who will be the first sacrificial lamb to be "detained" under this POS provision. I do believe we will hear of someone from the alternative media who is disappeared soon to send a warning to the rest of us that the NDAA has teeth. It's a tool to dampen discent but it will only work if someone of sufficient notoriety gets caught up in it to set an example. Chris Hedges is a hero for our times.
@ Loose Caboose; Hedges is a tool. You are a fool. This is provocation pure and simple. Hedges parses his use of US citizen and never confuses that term with "American". Never. Do you see why that is? RT is misinformed? No. Their failure to differentiate is no mistake. It's deliberate.
Well you see...we probably won't know. Oh, you may see a report here and there on alternative media, just like with the NDAA legislation itself, but by and large this legislation is intended to be carried out under the cover of secrecy. It is the modern day Star Chamber.
Someone is already being detained. Thanks to the NDAA we don't know who, but the adminstration has actively avoided answering questions about the law already being used. I'm sure the reason they're fighting this so hard is because people are already locked up, and they don't want that getting out. What if, for example, they made a mistake, or have a US citizen that clearly poses no real threat held under NDAA, and that gets out, confirming the worst possibilities of the law? It undermines their entire premise.
And a good candidate.
Getting angry is ok but don't give in to fear. That's exactly what they want to induce. Rushing for revision in such a short time actually means how THEY are scared of what may happen in the near future as they are practically out of fuel. An old communist trick. The best way is to laugh them off as the job of cranks and, on occasion, join an Occupy action.
The fear-machine press is about the only thing left that "they" really control. Big changes are in store for mankind. The end of the Federal Reserve Note and the imprisonment of hundreds of top Constitutional traitors won't be the end of the world.
Out: Live free or die
In: Banksters free, anyone else gets locked up without right to due process.
Fuckers.
Actually, since al-Qaida are US govt. contractors in various locations in the MENA, I think they are exempt under this law.
So, that leaves ...
YOU.
NDAA... more unenforceable paper issued by a desperate, illegitimate government just to keep the fear machine going. Once the top few hundred traitors are in chains and MASS ARRESTS take place, the FEMA camps will be used on "them", not on "us"... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/
Doesn't this classify Obama as a traitor, after all he was a professor of law and he is circumventing the Constitution isn't he?
He was a lecturer on law,not a proffessor.
Affirmative action does not writ doctural thesis's it seems.
Yes, and a TN law professor has just said Obama should resign immediately over this and for rounding up Mohammed blasphemers.
Amy Goodman and Alex jones? candidates for Soetero's Nazi night of the long knives? Too bad Mitt is acting like a moron... although he may be worse with all of the old Bush II neocon clowns like rove, Cheney, Wolfowitz... he LOVES war for profit too... Damn, can we get Ron Paul back??
"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void."
Marbury v. Madison 1803
DICTATORSHIP U can believe in!!
ROFLAMO !!! @ the hypocrisy and what's coming next !
The Federal Governments war of terror against United States citizens is illegal and the therefore legitimizes US resistance against the enemy.
On top of everything they must not be looking at the various ramifications of the act or the judges are being compromised. Judges are smart and they know what it means. They would not want to live in Germany during WWII.
According to the constitution, those of us with the ability to do something about this are obligated to do something about it.
I'm guessing this still won't stop Reggie from supporting the brother?
Poor, stupid fucking narcissistic idiot Obeyme. I saw one of those pictures earlier, where he's getting off Air Force One and waving.
Wow, does he look haggard. And sad. And worn out. And sorry.
I admit, I kinda felt sorry for him. You know, in his own mind, I think he actually BELIEVES he's doing the right thing for America. He can't figure out
why EVERYONE doesn't like him. He's depressed about it, and worried. He can't really figure out what he's doing wrong.
I think, down inside, Oblowme wants to do the right thing. He just doesn't have a clue as to how to go about it.
A small step in regression for a circuit judge, a giant regression for humanity.
On the ethical scale, as epitomised by the positions expressed by Chris Hedges and Paul Craig Roberts we are witnessing a betrayal of basic western value systems; not just American value systems.
THIS IS An US ADMINISTRATION THAT SAYS WE GO BACK TO THE INQUISITION; just like GWB did with, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and Patriot act!