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"The Weight Of The Nation": Documenting America's Obesity Epidemic: Part 1 - Consequences

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68.8% of Americans are overweight or obese: this stunning fact, setting aside the unsustainability of US fiscal or monetary policy, means that something must change in this country, or very soon it won't matter if America has $20 trillion or $1 googol in debt: everyone will be simply too fat to care. And, shortly thereafter, too dead. Now that America's obesity epidemic is rapidly, and finally, becoming a front and center topic of conversation, and one which can not be excluded from any rational healthcare policy discussion, increasingly more media has started to narrow in, pardon the pun, on the causes, consequences, choices and challenges involved in recognizing that America does in fact have an obesity problem, and that the sooner proactive steps are taken, the better for everyone. As Charles Hugh Smith pointed out recently, sickcare represents a(n at least) 8% hidden VAT tax to all Americans, of which obesity is the primary cause for outflows: this number will only grow, until it too becomes merely one more unsustainable line item in America's increasingly improbable income statement. Starting tonight, HBO is releasing a 4 part documentary titled "The Weight of the Nation - confronting America's obesity epidemic" to bring more attention to a systemic threat which if left unchecked will, by 2020, impact 75% of America's population. We present the first movie in the series below, and will bring the remaining three parts shortly.

 

From HBO:

The first film in 'The Weight of the Nation' series examines the scope of the obesity epidemic and explores the serious health consequences of being overweight or obese.

 

The first character we meet is Cindy. Born and raised in Bogalusa, Louisiana, Cindy is the mother of two grown sons and now a proud grandmother. Cindy allowed HBO into her home and life to discuss some very painful things. Only 99 pounds when she got married, Cindy has struggled with her weight ever since her first pregnancy. And it's only gotten harder.

 

Health and behaviors in early childhood can have serious consequences later on in life. The Bogalusa Heart Study - of which Cindy was a participant - shows that overweight and obese children have risk factors for heart disease, even at a young age.

 

The obesity epidemic is a problem that's emerged over the last 30 years. It threatens our nation's social, economic and physical health. But, unlike a natural disaster, obesity is often preventable. Although overall obesity prevalence rates appear to be leveling off, there are still far too many Americans who are overweight or obese and who continue to develop health problems as a result. In order to end the epidemic, everyone must be part of the solution.

 

At the level of our DNA, we're programmed to eat as much as we can to survive and store the extra as fat for future energy use. In a world where calorie-dense, sugar-laden and fatty foods are available around every corner, that's a problem. The good news is that, even if the propensity to gain weight is written into our genes, we're not fated to a lifetime of fat.

 

As we take a look at communities across the country - from New York City to Santa Ana, California - it is clear that we have all been getting heavier. But the problem doesn't affect all communities equally. The sad fact is that obesity rates are higher in some ethnic communities and in lower-income states. The trends are so extreme that they are attracting the attention of health officials and lawmakers.

 

Obesity among children is also rising, and it's a real threat that may have lasting health consequences. As Anna Busby says, based on her observations as the nurse of the Bogalusa Middle School Health Clinic, overweight and obese children are at risk of being "on dialysis in their thirties if we don't do something now." The good news is that we can make a difference in our children's lives both now and as they get older by helping them adopt healthy eating behaviors and become more active.

 

There's a powerful connection between being overweight or obese and having heart disease as an adult. The heart, our hardest-working muscle, spends every second of every day vigorously pumping blood to the farthest reaches of our bodies. The larger we become, the harder our hearts have to work to keep blood circulating. The bottom line: being overweight or obese places you at a higher risk of developing heart disease and suffering a stroke as an adult.

 

Beyond the cardiovascular system, excess weight has negative consequences throughout the body. "Almost every organ system in the body is adversely affected by having excess body fat," says Dr. Samuel Klein, director of the Center for Human Nutrition at Washington University in St. Louis.

 

Even a small amount of excess weight, accumulated slowly at the rate of a few pounds a year over many years, can lead to type 2 diabetes. Being over 45 years of age, having a family history of diabetes, being physically inactive and being overweight or obese can increase a person's chances of developing type 2 diabetes. If poorly controlled or left untreated, type 2 diabetes can lead to a number of serious health problems, including heart attack, stroke, kidney disease, blindness, amputation and even death.

 

Obesity is not only one of the top public health issues facing our country; it's also a threat to our nation's bottom line. Rising obesity rates threaten to drag our economy down through higher health care costs and lower productivity. Currently, 69% of American adults are overweight or obese.

Full documentary:

h/t stock_bitch

 

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:17 | 2425454 BlueCollaredOne
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Probiotics and supplementing fiber helps me stay regular just fine while enjoying my carnivorous diet.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:27 | 2425478 TBT or not TBT
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Meat is murder.  Tasty, tasty Murder!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:51 | 2425909 palmereldritch
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FYI for anyone unaware: Probiotics are particularly important to maintain the natural colony of bacteria within your gut which is so important for digestion, brain chemistry and immune system strength.  It has been argued that an endgame for GMO in the foodchain is, through these Frankenfoods, to proprietarily highjack the bacterial guts of the general population by removing natural bacteria so that only GMO manufactured foods CAN be consumed in the stomach  Maintaining probiotic colonization in your body can act as a bulwark against this assault ...which if truly realized, only reaffirms the maxim, Go with your gut...and FIGHT THE POWER!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:28 | 2425471 TBT or not TBT
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Well, moderation on the fruit element.  Humans were not "designed", by natural selection mind you, to be under the regular year round day in day out sugar assault of eating berries and fruits.   A bunch of grapes for example is a sugar bomb of low caloric value.   An apple ditto.   And both provide lots of fructose together with glucose, so that the fructose uptake is very rapid, and hitting your liver hard every time.

Also, to your "poop" comment, well, Inuits!   The ones who live the traditional way eschewing modern supplies of sugar, vegetables, flour, and so forth were plenty healthy.    Ditto for westerners who lived with them and like them for years on  end.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:08 | 2425575 Dave Thomas
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So you're saying that a moderately active person who eats say two oranges per day will develop fatty liver?

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:27 | 2425881 TBT or not TBT
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Oranges are loaded with sugar, though fructose/glucose ratio in them isn't as bad as in apples or pears, it is a still a combination of the two, which accelerates the uptake of the fructose into the blood stream.   

I don't think it matters much about the excercise factor you bring up, as to the effects of the two oranges measured at the liver and in terms of increased LDL production from that.   

But timing would matter:   Certainly the two oranges if swallowed at once as liquefied straight out of a blender into an empty stomach would generate a sugar spike greater than munching a little slice of orange every thirty minutes throughout the day.

Which is to say it would also matter greatly what and how much else is in the stomach with the oranges.     The insulin spike needed to wipe up the glucose from the two oranges can range from serious to mild depending on the arrival into the blood stream.   And so theoretically could vary the damage done!

I might add another sometimes insiduous effect of eating anything sweet, whether containing sugar or not.   The sweet taste arriving at the tongue also sets off insulin production.   To what degree that reaction is overboard or just enough or very muted might depend on the indvidual, should vary from individual to individual, as would the insulin senstivity of from individual to individual to the insulin produced.    I would imagine, given the dynamics of sugar metabolism with some individuals, eating one orange slice, particularly on a empy stomach could make them very hungry.    For example the insulin production from the mere taste of sweetness could mop up the sugar in their blood well before the sugar from the orange slice arrives in the blood, via the intestin, after the stomach.   

Now re-read the scenario assuming someone drinks an artificially sweetened "diet" drink on an empty stomach!    The insulin production generated by the mere taste of sweetness would mop up a lot of blood sugar fairly quickly, generating hunger sensations, but then no sugar would arrive to replace it!   "Diet" drinks are fattening, because they make us eat more!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:17 | 2425453 kekekekekekeke
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I hear your on the no grains but not on the no fruit.  I eat lots of fruit, mostly low-fructose berries.  grains are different beast

 

if anyone needs some quick easy delicious paleo recipes I've been feeling http://paleomg.com/ lately!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:55 | 2425399 roadhazard
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It will not take long after the SHTF for all Americans to be svelte.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:02 | 2425416 TBT or not TBT
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Wrong.   The poorer we become, the more we sill substitute cheap CARBOHYDRATE calorie sources for fat and protein sources, to reduce our food budgets.  

This is one major reason why poor people have greater obesity and related chronic disease issues than richer categories of folks, statistically.   Fats and protein are better for us than cheap refined addictive and hunger inducing carbohydrates are.

Another reason poor people tend to be poor is poor impulse control, of course.   This easily observable characteristic in lots of poor people also means less impulse control when faced with chips, sugary drinks, confections of every sort.   The exact type of food  you have to walk through a gauntlet of to get into and out of, say, a Walmart, a typical place where the great mass of the poor and many others shop to save money.   

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:23 | 2425468 BlueCollaredOne
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I have to disagree there. I can buy a lb of chicken breast for 1.99$ when on sale, and a 5 lb bag of potatoes for the price of a chicken sandwich meal at McDonald's.

Poor people are often poor out of laziness IMO, hence the reason they would rather have their food prepared for them as opposed to preparing it themselves. I also think poor people are generally much more unintelligent than average folks, which in turn makes them more susceptible to the advertising that the food industry shoves down their throats. I'd say 80% of food advertising is for shit we shouldn't be eating

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:45 | 2425538 Jena
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And I have to disagree here.  You can give people a lb of fresh chicken breast and a 5 lb bag of potatoes but if they've never learned what to do with them, those foods won't do them much good.  We're a couple of generations away from Home-Ec being taught in schools in many places.  The loss of family structure has taken with it the loss of traditions, including that of teaching both sexes what to do in the kitchen to ensure survival.  Hence, dependence on fast, processed food or restaurant food.

Laziness exists in all classes.  Poor people just have fewer resources.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:05 | 2425568 BlueCollaredOne
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If the poor people have access to the Internet, a tv, or tthe library which we both know they do, well then they have the necessary information to learn how to cook.

My mom never taught me how to cook, she always just made dinner for us. When I moved out I missed home cooked meals so I bought my ass some pots and pans and started picking out recipes from allrecipes.com and learned how to cook.

A lot of my friends eat out 5+ times a week and when I ask them why, they say "it's easier."

I stand by my laziness comment

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:32 | 2425626 Jena
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Not disagreeing that it's laziness, just that laziness exists across the economic strata.  The higher up you are on the economic food chain, the more options you have that don't include just fast food.  Chances are you'll find vegetables on your plate once in awhile.

Taking the leap to figure out how to cook for yourself and do it in a healthy way takes something more profound than ambition, even:  A survival instinct.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:21 | 2425742 palmereldritch
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Sounds like you had a Mom.  And one who didn't just feed you fast food.  Nature or nurture?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:13 | 2425721 aerojet
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There's more free howto information available to everyone in the world, more than ever before at any time in all of human history.  All you have to do is not be a complete worthless, POS, lazy scumbag.  But no, so many Americans can't figure anything out. 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:01 | 2425562 TBT or not TBT
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Fail:   5lbs of potatoes represents lot more calories, and lower quality calories, than a pound of chicken.   

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:11 | 2425577 BlueCollaredOne
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Reread my post.

I was showing how one can buy a lb of chicken breast, and 5lbs of potatoes for the price of a serving of French fries, and a 6oz. deep fried chicken breast from McDonald's. Nowhere did I say potatoes are better quality calories than chicken.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:07 | 2425933 TBT or not TBT
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In any case, the point stands, that people with lower incomes will tend to choose cheaper calorie sources, the more so the more their budget is constrained.   The mix of foods they will choose to buy at the store, will be affected by the budget constraint as well.   They'll choose more pasta, potatoes, and similar starchy items in greater proportion on a lower budget, for bulk sources of total calories they need to function.    These cheaper foods, those preferred by people on tight budgets, are mostly bulk carbohydrate sources of little other nutritional value, and are uniquely fattening(the subject of the ZH article, obesity).

Beyond that, the mention of a poor person's fast food choices is interesting:    If a poor person starts eating at McDonalds at a greater frequency than before, while on a fixed overall budget for buying food, this will drive him to buy an even cheaper mixture of calories at the store, because of lesser budget left to him thanks to the high cost per calorie of the food he blew money on at McDonalds.    But he's still poor, and cannot afford to eat at McDonalds all that often.   Ergo, most likely the worst impact on his health from eating at McDonalds marginally more often would be the fact that this extra spending causes him to eat even greater proportion of his calories from cheap carbs bought in stores.   The impact of the dietary input from McDonalds would be marginal in and of itself, but would indeed help kill him faster indirectly, because of the disproportionate impact on his overall food budget.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:13 | 2425944 Cathartes Aura
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with respect, if you're buying super-marketed "chicken" and cheap bags of potatoes, the chances are they're full of added hormones, pesticides, antibiotics, etc.

still most likely better than a "happy meal" pkg - but not by much, any more.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:02 | 2425417 rpc996
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If we are so fat why does the msm constantly deride skinny models?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:00 | 2425564 TBT or not TBT
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Fox News, the alternative MSM, uses skinny models.    Works for them.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:09 | 2425426 Börjesson
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Besides, having to count calories is very unnatural. It’s basically an eating disorder. No animal in nature needs to count calories – they just eat real food when they are hungry.

[...]

We can’t ignore biology. We can’t ignore hunger. We need a way to make people with weight problems want to eat less calories than they burn.

Luckily there is such a way: avoid eating the high-sugar, high-starch foods that increase your appetite. Basically avoid the normal American diet.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/fat-forecast-disaster

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:12 | 2425430 UGrev
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BMI is NOT the way to measure obesity. Your body fat index is. BMI is just a body mass statistic, but you can be a muscular hulk at 6 foot and have a BMI of 35 and you're considered obese by that scale. BMI is useful for things like surgeries where the anethesiologist needs to calc the proper dose of anesthesia.. but it's NOT, I repeat NOT how you accumulate any statistic worth it's weight (pun intended) about obesity. 

Disclosure: I write software for health systems. 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:14 | 2425438 Bunga Bunga
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Lots of pink slime could be made of.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:15 | 2425445 nameless narrator
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"rational healthcare policy discussion"

oxymoron alert!

the obese will integrate into the democratic party and be entitled to be fat.  it won't be

possible to take away that "right".  afterall, why do you think they say that the democrats

have a "big tent"...  ;)

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:15 | 2425446 Caviar Emptor
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Romans got fat

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:03 | 2425569 TBT or not TBT
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Indeed, they had extensive agriculture(cheap carbohydrates), and ate bread, lots of it at times.    The phrase "bread and circuses", the emperor's solution to restless masses of poor people in declining imperial rome, should come to mind.   Carbs make humans fat, today, yesterday, and two thousand years ago too.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:12 | 2425722 Bleeding Fart
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How about rice eating cultures? There is an increase of obesity in East Asian children, due to an influx of Western style fast food. But rice is also a carbohydrate as well, right?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:49 | 2426010 TBT or not TBT
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You are stating as if it is fact that the cause of obesity East Asian Children is "due to an influx of Western style fast food."     I don't think anyone has established the cause the way you have stated it, which is to say very broadly.    For sure you could see a correlation between rates of sugar consumption in those countries, and most any other you would like to talk about, and rates of obesity in those same populations.    

The mention of "children" is of course limiting the discussion further to a metabolically and hormonally particular part of any population, but I'd invite caution when limiting thinking about obesity in children (early onset of obesity) as having only to do with their individual food consumption.   To wit, insulin resistance can and has been demostrated to start in utero.     What the mother's blood sugar and insulin profiles and diets looked like during pregnancy may have as much to do with her child's case of wrecked sugar and fat metabolism, as does the food intake of the child does given an obese child on the average diet of his surrounding civilisation.

As to "rice eating cultures" is your assumption here that people in such cultures get a very large proportion of their sustenance from rice?   OK, let's take that as given, though I doubt it.   Note that rice starch breaks down to glucose only or mostly glucose.    No fructose from that.    And since we are working in caricatures and  cliches, let's note that rice is usually part of a meal, and so gets mixed with other stuff in the stomach.   The glycemic impact is thereby lessened.    Beyond that I don't have a great answer for your vague question, other than the thing to look at first, when there's an inflection in obesity rates and in the spectrum of the degenerative diseases that correlate with that, is the rate and pattern of sugar consumption over time.  

Note I don't think there is anything particularly special about rice as a source of high glycemic index cheap sources of easily stored long chains of glucose.   Since the invention of agriculture, carbohydrate sources have been cheap in many cultures, among many ethnicities, across the globe, and these have made some people fat in those civilisations.   The introduction of pure cane sugar in the last few centuries, and of industrial quantities of industrially milled refined flour, have multiplied the already unhealthy doses and glycemic impacts of carbohydrates consumed in many agricultural societies, with sudden and obvious effects of multiplying the proportion of obesity in those.   But the slow burn sickening of the body from overconsumption  of carbohydrates is nothing new, and all of its ailments date back to the invention of agriculture.

The most marked and stunning transformations in relativelt recent times were of societies which had depended very little on carbohydrate food sources until their encounter with western industrial agricultural products, and most notably fairly sudden adoption of refined flour and sugar as important calorie sources.   Many indian tribes in north and south american underwent this transformation from lean, healthy meat- and/or fish- dependent cultures (when they were first encountered), when they were made to substitute into their diets industrial quantities of agricultural products plus flour and sugar, transforming them in much less than a generation into nations of fatties with the diseases that go with western civilisation.   This was NOT due to their being forced into sedentary conditions, as according to chroniclers of many such tribes, they still lived laborious lives, and had become fat nevertheless, with bad teeth(sugar!), and rampant diabetes(ah the wonders of carbs!).    This also had nothing to do with "fast food" chains, nor plastifiers in plastics, nor flouride, nor power lines, nor wathing TV, nor dozens and dozens of other modern hypotheses for the fat epidemic, because none of those things existed yet!     Sugar and flour alone were sufficient.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:22 | 2425462 lasvegaspersona
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Like global warming this is a tax proposal looking for a problem

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:22 | 2425464 10mm
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Ok,Let's have death panals for fatso's,problem solved.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:27 | 2425470 Thunder_Downunder
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Anyone else find it amusingly ironic that this message will be delivered by HBO... 1/3 of that fat ass, brought to you by HBO's addictive programming goodness...

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:41 | 2425518 JustObserving
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TV is toxic.  Watching 2 hours of TV per day increases your diabetes risk by 20%.  Watching 6 hours of TV per day increases your diabetes risk by about 60% - almost a linear relationship.

 

Time Watching TV Ups Diabetes and Heart Risks

Watching TV an average of two more hours per day increases the risk of diabetes and heart disease by 20 and 15 percent, respectively. 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=time-watching-tv-ups-diabetes-and-h-11-06-14

 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:05 | 2425570 TBT or not TBT
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Correlation is not causality.   Carbohydrate consumption is causality, when it comes to how fat comes to be deposited in our fat cells.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:19 | 2425597 JustObserving
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It is not just correlation.  They have measured insulin resistance after you sit for 2 hours.  Insulin resistance goes up.  Here is just one reserach conclusion:

CONCLUSIONS Interrupting sitting time with short bouts of light- or moderate-intensity walking lowers postprandial glucose and insulin levels in overweight/obese adults. This may improve glucose metabolism and potentially be an important public health and clinical intervention strategy for reducing cardiovascular risk.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22374636

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:42 | 2425645 TBT or not TBT
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The trouble, people do get up and walk periodically during television watching sessions, to the fridge, and the pantry as often as the bathroom, to scrounge on cheap carbs.   If they were scrounging on meat, eggs, cheese, moderate amounts of nuts, vegetables and no other carbs, even with a bit of hard liquoir added to the mix, two hours a day of this could be a great diet plan.   Eight or twelve a day of this, for several weeks in a row, would give astonishing weight loss and blood work improvements..without excercise.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:52 | 2425668 kkam
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Two observations to note in the conclusions of the NIH: 1. They didn't measure insulin resistance, only insulin levels. 2. The study was done on insulin levels 'postprandial', which is a fancy word for 'after meals'. So all the study shows is that a little bit of walking after meals lowers insulin levels in obese subjects, which is to be expected since any activity will first burn up the glucose in the blood and so drop insulin levels. The earlier posters points re carbs 'causing' fat are scientifically valid.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:26 | 2425473 Uber Vandal
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I have a feeling that the radiation that has been spewing out of Fukushima may be more detrimental to our health than obesity.

 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:42 | 2425647 TBT or not TBT
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You are getting more, from deep space, from background radiation etc, and have been, than you ever will directly from the japanese reactors, but carry on.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:27 | 2425477 Convolved Man
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But,

At the level of our DNA, we're programmed to eat as much as we can to survive and store the extra as fat for future energy use.

Doesn't that make fat people just survivalists trapped in a sedentary lifestyle?

Maybe the real problem is that everyone wants to live too long.

Come on, let's see your palm flower.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:55 | 2425671 TBT or not TBT
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Actually this programmed-by-our-DNA-to-eat-as-much-as-we-can-to-survive-famines meme is NONSENSE, widely spread nonsense, but still nonsense.   People living on diets with little simple carbohydrate input do not eat to excess and don't get fat unless they do.   The only time most people and animals would get loads of sugar would be just the short period of the year where fruits would ripen.  

Now, if you modify the formula to concern our DNA being programmed to eat sweets and starches, specifically those high in simple carbohydrate energy, endlessly, THAT is exactly correct.   The problem with this is that we have changed our environment radically, permitting us to eat fruit and refined sugar all year around.     THAT makes us fat.    We don't get fat gorging ourselves on what was available to traditional peoples most of the year:  meat, and root vegetables.    Give it a try.   If you are a normal size dude, you will have trouble sustaining consumption of say, more than 3000 calories a day of only meats and fats and low sugar vegetable carbohydrate sources.   Doing so increases ones metabolism and raises satiety within hours of starting, in  most people, and induces weight loss in the overweight.   This is found over and over again in diet studies, and yet we still have this nonsense meme that we are programmed to overeat any and all calorie sources.   False, only carbohydrates have this effect, uniquely.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:19 | 2425733 Bleeding Fart
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Avocados, the fatty fruit! And oh, so yummy. I put them on everything.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:52 | 2426018 TBT or not TBT
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Yup!  

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:44 | 2425998 boiltherich
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I agree it is junk science at best mostly.  If it were genetics we would have had an obesity problem all along, this epidemic had a pretty sudden onset.  And it is hard to say what it is because of the coincidence of many possible factors that could be contributing to it, electronics = sedentary lives.  GM crops, and highly processed foods.  Fast food outlets, I remember when there were 400 KFC's and 275 McDonalds and not a whole lot of other places to get fast food people were pretty slim.  There are now almost 13,000 of each of those, plus Taco Bell, Del Taco, Jack with the Crack, Carl's JR, BK, Pizza Hut, Dominos, Wendy's, Panda Expresses, Subway, Arby's, Sonic, White Castle, Popeye's, just to name a few.  On top of food courts, regular restaurants, precooked convenient foods in groceries, all stores now have deli sections and roticeries, when I was a kid a grocery was a quarter the size they are now, they were open 9 A.M. to 6 P.M. you bought raw food ingredients and took that home to make a meal. 

But, I do not think it is all about sheer caloric intake.  We used to have one car for every 4 people when I was a kid, we now have almost as many cars as people.  Food used to be more basic and wholesome, I think that most GM crops are OK, but not all and it seems a foolish level of risk to take to experiment with our food supply, especially in the name of corporate profits. 

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 02:12 | 2426032 TBT or not TBT
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Over several centuries now, the transformation of hundreds of tribes around the world has been observed by missionaries, but also scientists of all sorts, and doctors, living amongst them.    This is long before electricity, "chemicals", TV, GM crops, grocery stores, refridgeration, vacination, penicillin, and long before anyone could fathom the word "sedendary" in the sense you and I think of it.     STILL, these westerners watched with their own eyes formerly healthy, robust, lean native populations go from impressive average rates of health to include ALL of what came to be known in the literature as "the diseases of civilisation."   That is to say cancers, diabetes, obesity, tooth decay, and so on.    The common variable in all of these accounts were the introduction of cheap industrially produced refined carbohydrates, in the form of sugar and flour.   

Like you say, there cannot have been much change in our DNA since that time, so the causes of obesity, diabetes, tooth decay, cancers and so on are probably the same today, even in westerners, despite our descending from half a dozen more generations of selection-by-carb-overload in the western diet.

Occam's razor.   This is the simplest answer, and today the mechanisms, at the biochemical and cellular level, are absolutely uncontroversial, well established science.   Yet here we are saying oh, it could be the ozone too, though.   You  didn't say "the ozone" of course, but I don't understand why anyone would invoke causes for which we don't even have a plausible causality established.   

Fat deposit in fat cells is very well understood.   ONE thing causes fat to become and stay stored in our fat cells, and which causes  fat cells to transform glucose from the  blood stream into fat for storage:   insulin.  

There are dozens of molecules that cause fat to be released but only the ONE that causes it to be stored.

Insulin is produced when we ingest carbohydrates.

When we don't, it isn't, and our fat cells are no longer signaled to store fat or package up glucose as fat.

It is really almost that simple, in relatively healthy individuals, and yet the storm of advice has us fearing meat and fat, and substituting in carbohydrates to make up for them in "lite" low fat diets that are fattening, for having replaced fats with carbs.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:37 | 2425502 kekekekekekeke
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"If you go with the flow in America today, you will end up overweight and obese" @:37 THAT'S THE THING, you've got to de-program yourself, not eat government school lunches as a kid, not have grains as the base of your food pyramid, not eat the processed shit they peddle constantly to you, not eat and drink they tell you is "safe" to eat (fluoride, aspartame), not chow down on the cupcakes your coworkers bring to work, not go eat at the shitty chain restaurants 3x a week, and you probably WILL have to hit the gym and get more exercise than the 30 min walk or whatever shit they're spouting these days

no wonder most people dependent on the .gov are so fat

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:58 | 2425686 TBT or not TBT
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Partly correct.  Actually you need merely avoid sweet or starchy foods, regardless of your excercise habits, whether from fine restaurants or fast food joints.  

A Big Mac hold the bun is a healthy meal, when not eaten with french fries or sugary or sweetened drink/desert.   You can go ahead and eat the oil from the french fries however.   The cooking oils used these days are pretty healthy fat sources, long as they haven't been used too many times.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:35 | 2425506 DRT RD
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A 20% tax at all restaurants should slow things down a bit. But then the welfare receipent will need more dineros, thus draining the gov't even more. Where I live, in the Deep South, its usually poor uneducted blacks and single mothers.I suppose that ethic groups is politicaly correct but screw the ZH'ers that live in the NE that really believe that stuff. As if they have transcended the color barrier.  (By the way, blacks are way more racist than white.)

When the gov't subsides meal time, well, this is what you get.  Additionally, when the gov't forces hospitals to provide indigents with medical care they can ill afford, well then we get the health care bill.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:07 | 2425709 TBT or not TBT
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68.8% of Americans are overweight, so this  has to transcend education differences.   The thing to look at is actually what Americans have in common in terms of education:   

Starting with the federal governements' "food pyramid" issued by politically run congressional committe, run by George McGovern in the 70's, USDA guidelines, federal sugar and agriculture subsidies and whitewashes of sugar, HFCS, and carbs in general, advice by the American Heart Assocation generated through bias and unscientific interpretation of poor studies, however big and expensive they were, that could not demonstrate the very wrong conclusions drawn (vilification of "saturated fats") to a statistically significant degree.   

Remember when we were all supposed to eat hydrogenated fats called "margarine" because these were good for us and butter would kill us.   This was exactly 180 degrees wrong, and promoted by the federal government, the medical establishment, and of course food and agriculture and packaged food interests.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:41 | 2425523 Mox E
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BMI is such a shitty measurement.  I was a pro athlete with a BMI of nearly 30 (practically considered obese) and a body fat percent of 2-3%.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:42 | 2425526 Zgangsta
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"Something must change in this country, or very soon it won't matter if America has $20 trillion or $1 googol in debt: everyone will be simply too fat to care. And, shortly thereafter, too dead."

Actually, the big problem for America is that obese people aren't dying young.  Thanks to the wonders of modern science, they are living long, unproductive, resource-sucking lives well into their late seventies.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:48 | 2425541 dolph9
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Have any of you geniuses considered the simplest and most logical reason?

That Americans are fat because they are self absorbed, thoughtless, gluttonous pigs?

Mind you, I've met alot of really good, decent, salt of the earth fat people in my life.  But, almost to the tee, they are dumb as bricks.

The master on this subject:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRQvK2-iqQ

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:16 | 2425729 TBT or not TBT
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Actually, what you are spewing there is the PREDOMINANT theory, that people get fat because they "overeat" AND under-exercise if you will, DUE TO CHARACTER FLAWS and nothing else.

This happens to be wrong.   It is very difficult to maintain overeating while on a carb restricted diet, because of the long lasting satiety produced by this sort of diet, the type of diet we evolved to eat.   

On the contrary, overeating diets with the sorts of percentages of carbohydrates we eat in on average in America is very difficult not to do.    It is why most diets fail.  It is why most diets are HARD for so many.  Carbs are addictive, and do not satiate.  They make you hungry quickly.

Note that excercise has nothing to do with it, as I have described here above.   It really doesn't.    On a healthy diet, which is a diet very restricted in sugars, sweet things, and starchy foods, excercising more or less increases or decreases the appetite accordingly, giving ZERO effect on body fat gain or loss.   This is what scientific studies have showed for decades on end, almost always to the consternation of the researchers, who fully expect the common sense you are repeating here will bear out.   It does not, ever, yet the advice given is to carry on with the excercise and the low fat calorie restricted diets, diets that make us both miserable and fatter.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:47 | 2425542 LouisDega
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Eat ground up Flax seeds. You will let loose five pounds of shit every morning . Problem solved

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:57 | 2425550 egoist
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I'm about 25m into this, and it strikes me as very collectivist in nature: national h/c costs, we gotta act together to...(more & more examples). That seems like a none-starter to me - so far. 10 years back, I was fat. My change was an individual selfish conscious decision that being lean was of higher value to me than the integral of a gazillion treat-moments.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:55 | 2425552 flacorps
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Austerity will likely counteract obesity, perhaps to the point of overcorrection.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:17 | 2425734 TBT or not TBT
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No, the switch to cheaper calories is a switch to eating a greater percentage of carbohydrates, whcih are uniquely fattening.   Poor people eat more carbs because these are cheaper food sources, and are more fattening.   Poor people also have weaker impulse control than richer people(poor impulse control makes one poorer), which makes it that much more difficult not to scarf down the starch and simple carbohydrate bombs so readily available at every turn.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 04:15 | 2426101 flacorps
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I see your point. Perhaps I meant something stronger than "austerity."

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:02 | 2425567 SAME AS IT EVER WAS
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"68.8 percent of Americans are overweight or obese" ?
According to who?

I had worked at Home Depot and I paid $48.00 per two week paycheck for the basic medical ins. plan. I had not been to the doctor for a check up in ten years, so one day I went in for a check up. The doctor did'nt do shit, no tests, no bloodwork, nothing (once he previewed my sorry ass overpriced insurance I'm sure.) He told me "don't drink, don't smoke, and watch my diet." I am 6'6 and 275 lb. After reviewing some plastic reference
Tool were he spun and aligned a wheel to my height he said I weigh to much for my height. WTF? That will teach me not to go to the doctor again unless I'm dying.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:51 | 2426015 boiltherich
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There was a guy down the hall from me in the barracks in the 70's who was 5'8" and 225 pounds of greek god type muscles, his meat had it own meat, and the Air Force forced him on a weight reduction plan to lose weight because he was "overweight" by their standards even though he had about the most terrific physique I ever saw, not even overdone like steroid lifter types, just a really stunning build.  I suppose that he is probably 496 pounds of jellyroll fat by now if he is anything like the rest of America.  At least he had the good bones and muscles to carry that.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:55 | 2426019 boiltherich
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I also had a doctor that was 6' and not quite 700 pounds.  I was so underweight that I was trying to gain and went to him, he was less than helpful.  I used to give him a lift sometimes, I had a small Dodge pickup, there almost was not room for both of us in it, and the passenger side was always lower than my side, and I just do not understand how people can get like that. 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:22 | 2425592 trgfunds
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The best part? 9 out of 10 HoverRound customers get their hoverround chair with little or no out of pocket cost!!!!!!!!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:20 | 2425594 Obesitycrisisso...
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This was my username before this article, so for once I am actually cool :).  We need to have PE everyday for the high school kids and recess twice a day for the younger kids.  There should be mandatory physical education in the universities, at the four-year colleges, there is plenty of time for a few hours of exercise every week.  They should have it every semester until they graduate.  At Tulane, they had a PE requirement, and I took judo, great workout.  We should live in a country where the weirdo is the guy who goes on TV and eats 10,000 calories of junk food in 10 minutes, not the office worker who cranks out 100 push-ups on the pavement in his shirt and tie on his lunch hour because that's the only time he has to do it.  We should live in a country where the weirdo is the guy who can quote lines from every TV show from the past twenty-five years because he's been sitting on the couch for the past 30, not the man who puts on some old clothes, a pair of formal socks and some cheap sneakers and runs in his neighborhood for exercise.  We need to live in a country where the kids or the young guys or the young girls that do pull-ups on the subway are cool and hip, not the guy wearing ripped jeans and an anarchist t-shirt with an image of a joint who stares into space as he sits deflated on one of the benches like the loser he is.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:49 | 2425659 bshirley1968
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This article isn't cool and neither is your username.  This article is a bunch of BS.  You guys kill me how you have no problem with a government legislating your pet project but get all upset when they mess in your business.

That's really what we need?  A government telling us what, when and how much we can eat?  Maybe they should just lock us all up in pens and feed us the right amount 3 times a day.  That's what we are, right?  Just a bunch of dumb animals who don't have enough sense to push away from the table.

Just another symptom of a society that has no character, principle and a huge lack of morals.  Learn how to tell yourself "no" and then big brother won't have to do it for you, and we won't have all these "epidemics".

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:24 | 2425747 TBT or not TBT
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Lack of excercise, and excess of excercise, have no effect, in study after study, on fat gain and loss.    Excercising more increases the appetite accordingly, excercising less sets the calorie needs lower.    What causes fat to be deposited, is insulin, which is generated when we eat carbohydrates.   Carbohydrates generate hunger fairly quickly after consumption, because the body reacts to the sugar onslaught as an emergency, and mops it all up into fat cells for the part.   Eating a low carb diet with quality fats and proteins is the only diet method that works, and sustainably.     Such diets are spectacularly more successful, in study after study, than excercise or calorie restriction or any combinations of the two that do not severely restrict carb intake.    But carry on with the excercise nazi thing, as if it is just character flaws causing this epidemic.    It isn't though.   It is just the surfeit of simple carbs everywhere we turn, and the bogus evil advice that carbs are good and fat and meat are bad.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:20 | 2425595 El Tuco
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My grandfather lived through a famine. He said the skinny ones died first. Then the normal ones went next. The only ones who survived were the fat and lucky ones.

Once money is worthless, those extra pounds might come in handy when you can't buy any food.....

 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:28 | 2425754 TBT or not TBT
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Actually, the way to spot the malnourished, in the developing world, is to look for the fat ones.    They live off of cheap carbohydrates, fats and proteins being too expensive for them to eat in the quantities humans were designed by evolutionary forces over time to live off of best.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:22 | 2425599 reader2010
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They are trying real hard to distract you and keep your attentions from real issues. 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:26 | 2425612 Arnold Ziffel
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China has an "expanding" market also thanks to Ronnie McD, the KFC Colonel and the King of Burgers:

 

http://adage.com/china/article/viewpoint/welcome-to-fat-chinaa-literally...

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:54 | 2425805 Cathartes Aura
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from your link:

Over the last 20 years, advertising agencies in China have made good money from food manufacturers and retailers, beer and fizzy drink brands, and the fast-food giants. They will continue to do so. But now they will also start to make money from those offering dubious cures for obesity, such as Weight Watchers which, bizarrely, operates in China through a joint venture with Danone Group, producers of biscuits and cakes, as well as fat farms, slimming pills, diet plans, exercise equipment, cosmetic surgery and "magic bullet" pharmaceuticals. The advertisers persuaded many Chinese to get fat; now they'll convince them they know how to slim them back down again.

really, that pretty much sums up the game, fatten 'em up with crap fake food, get 'em to punish each other for not "fitting in" to a cookie cutter stereotype society, blame 'n' shame, and get even more monies in pharma meds & procedures, more crap foods - but this time packaged "diet" products - and all the accoutrements of fashionable "exercise" gears. . .

Brave New World's electric shocks to condition behaviours. . .

 

Primroses and landscapes, he pointed out, have one grave defect: they are gratuitous. A love of nature keeps no factories busy. It was decided to abolish the love of nature, at any rate among the lower classes; to abolish the love of nature, but not the tendency to consume transport. For of course it was essential that they should keep on going to the country, even though they hated it. The problem was to find an economically sounder reason for consuming transport than a mere affection for primroses and landscapes. It was duly found.
"We condition the masses to hate the country," concluded the Director. "But simultaneously we condition them to love all country sports. At the same time, we see to it that all country sports shall entail the use of elaborate apparatus. So that they consume manufactured articles as well as transport. Hence those electric shocks."

 

http://www.huxley.net/bnw/two.html

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:41 | 2425646 Fix It Again Timmy
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Quite a few people dig their graves with their mouth. 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:06 | 2425652 BlackholeDivestment
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 http://occupycorporatism.com/obama-adopts-un-codex-alimentarious-to-collaborate-government-and-drug-corporations/

...wealth transfer and fat people goes hand in hand with heavy Fukushima water happening,

as prophetic Earth ''change'' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNWVOg3A56o is happening,

                                                     and as Rosemary's Baby

  http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_OBAMA_GAY_MARRIAGE_WORLD_REAX?SITE=NCAGW&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-05-09-21-18-24 

                                                     marries the 2012 Rainbow 

      http://www.henrymakow.com/gay_president_supports_gay_mar.html

                     at the expense of his first claim. Lol. http://carm.org/bible-homosexuality 

                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A790-gWdFYA

 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:56 | 2425675 world_debt_slave
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oh well, in 2010 got down to 180lbs and less than 10% bodyfat, lifting weights, strick diet yada yada. Then 2011 to present stopped lifting, started gaming and sitting on my ass all day. Now, guessing, around 230lbs, over 30% bodyfat and feeling the effects. But you know what, I don't give a fuck!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:57 | 2425677 hankwil74
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You know something is seriously f*cked up when the poorest people in America are also the fattest.  

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:30 | 2425756 TBT or not TBT
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Nah, that is normal.  Carbohydrate calories are cheaper than protein or fat calories, and carbohydrate calories are uniquely responsible for putting fat in excess into human fat cells.   

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:57 | 2425680 icanhasbailout
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soon, jogging will be considered a super power

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:08 | 2425710 Plumplechook
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A quiet word of advice to my American buddies:

PUSH AWAY FROM THE FUCKING TABLE.

 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:33 | 2425739 JeffB
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Interestingly enough, this seems to fit right in with the financial paradigm.

To wit, government intervention has caused and exacerbated the financial crisis, and it may well be causing, or is at least very likely exacerbating the obesity epidemic.

When I read noted science writer Gary Taubes' book, "Why We Get Fat and what to do about it" I was quite amazed. It literally turned the government's food pyramid upside down. I had been reading all kinds of health and nutrition articles and books for years, but he convinced me that it wasn't fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol that were the problems for our nation's ever deteriorating health, but Sugar, fructose (especially high fructose corn syrup) and other carbohydrates that were the real culprits in the obesity epidemic.

See also:

A talk by David Diamond, a neuroscientist in the Departments of Psychology, Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology, and a career scientist at the Tampa VA Hospital, recently presented his findings--backed by more than a hundred years of scientific evidence--at a lecture hosted by the USF College of Arts and Sciences at the University Club in downtown Tampa. The lecture is available on iTunes U for free. (It's a little drier than Fathead below, but has a lot of good information.)

Fathead entertaining documentary on Hulu- Takes aim at the film "Supersize Me" and gives a lot of info on the politicization of food pyramid and opposition to it in the medical community at the time.

Dr. Mary Vernon, MD on high fat, low carb diets to treat diabetes

A blog showing how the cholesterol scare was fraudulently whipped up.

There were a few books by doctors that I picked up at the library that went into more detail why the cholesterol scare is way overblown, but the charts on that blog show why the mainstream media frenzy was ridiculous. A couple of the videos above have interviews with some of the top researchers in the field that say it's one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the world.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth - YouTube talk by Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology, explores the damage caused by sugary foods. He argues that fructose (too much) and fiber (not enough) appear to be cornerstones of the obesity epidemic through their effects

UCTV Prime: The Skinny on Obesity

Robert H. Lustig, MD

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:09 | 2425840 Cathartes Aura
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from Blackhole's link above:

The US government will assist the pharmaceutical corporations in finding prescription drugs to treat new diseases.

and:

Genetic engineering has led researchers to discover over 4,500 diseases that need pharmaceutical drugs to combat.

and:

The pharmaceutical corporations are able to manipulate the FDA because the regulatory agency does not conduct independent studies on trial results. They simply accept the findings of the drug companies on their own trials.

Currently, the vitamin industries, by order of the Codex Alimentarious (CA) are being attacked by the US government to justify the force outlawing of natural medicine use.

The CA is a creation of the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. The CA seeks to enforce international standards and codes on nations in a securitization of the world’s food supply.

By controlling the means of food production, transportation and distribution, the CA will ensure the standards set forth by the UN are the basis for all national legislation.

http://occupycorporatism.com/obama-adopts-un-codex-alimentarious-to-coll...

they've been working towards this global standardisation of "food" and the promotion of pharma over natural medicine for decades now, and it's getting ready to be served to the homeland.  global standards of corporate, GMO foodstuffs, patented for profits, fed to the masses to cripple health, and pharma to the rescue. . . cradle to grave managed humans. . .

Brave New World.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:23 | 2425870 palmereldritch
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Awesome input CA (not the Codex version!).

IMO, Codex Alimentarius is just Agenda 21 for your body/DNA with GMO waiting like a vulture to finish off the carcass...full spectrum control freak eugenics...No?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:50 | 2425910 Cathartes Aura
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Codex has been decades in the fashioning, and it's a global effort - WHO, etc. - fist in glove with the corporations who seek to patent and profit everything - like the pharma-med industry, synthesise, patent, profit, then make everything else "alternative" and illegal.

here's an almost unbelievable story from last year;

Outrage: Government Forces Private Citizens to Pour Bleach on Home-Grown Organic Food *Video*

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/outrage-government-forces-private-...

making jobs scarce, hence valuable, hiring people to police the behaviours of others, giving them "authority" over, it's insidious and sickening - and it's pretty much too late to reverse, one does need to remain informed so as not to be used as a tool against fellow humans trying to survive in these times. . .

*back to the two minute hate, comparing personal stats ala BookFace*

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:01 | 2425924 palmereldritch
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At the risk of sounding jingoistic or simplistic, that action has all the hallmarks of a central planning Communist statist attack on individual self-sufficiency which, for that gangsterism, is the greatest threat.

Detect the symptoms and the cancerous and historical hand of bankster/collectivist theft cannot be far away...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:16 | 2425948 Cathartes Aura
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indeed.

If you control the oil you control the country; if you control food, you control the population.

-Henry Kissinger, Former U.S. Secretary of State

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 02:00 | 2426023 palmereldritch
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That NWO POS got a taste of his TSA progeny recently...tho prolly just Sheeple theatre conditioning.

It's not the Hague but for now, it will have to do....

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/05/14/tsa-agents-conduct-full-monty-...

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:21 | 2428234 Cathartes Aura
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I'm guessing it was either a stage managed story - the agent didn't seem to know who HK was? please, he's not travelling with protection? without security? doubtful - or it's just outright lies. . .

it's a nice idea tho' - that someone as vile as HK gets treated as all do - but right there's the tell, eh.

peace.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:49 | 2426982 JeffB
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Thanks for highlighting that for us.

My father-in-law told us about a relative who was really having a lot of physical ailments and was almost bedridden as he could hardly get up or walk around. He went to a new doctor who asked him what medications he was on. When the doctor looked over the extensive list he told him he was going to take him off of at least half of them, and proceeded to do so.

Within short order he got his health back and was up-and-at-em again. It seemed like a miracle to friends and acquaintances, but his ailments were caused by his medications, not cured by them.

A lot of times they give someone some medication, which in turn produces some side effects. So they give them another medication or two to take care of those side effects. Of course the new ones have side effects of their own, and they continue on, experimenting with various combinations and strengths of drugs making things worse as they go.

Sometimes the side effects are far worse than the original disease. My uncle was treated for acne as a child with irradiation.

My mother had terminal cancer and a doctor wanted to do radiation and chemotherapy treatments. My sister, a nurse, asked if that had any chance of curing her. He matter of factly told her "No."

We had already discussed this with my mother and she didn't want to go through the torture her sister endured in the final weeks of her life because of those treatments and we told him we'd rather go through hospice. My sister's friends in the nursing field said that is what they would do if they or their family members were in that situation.

The doctor replied that she was only comfortable that time because they had put her on steroids to reduce the swelling in her brain, but steroids were bad for your health long term. We almost laughed at him as they had not given her much time to live regardless. One of us asked if she couldn't take the radiation or chemo treatments later if the steroids became untenable later for some reason. He got very angry and yelled that the hospice program wouldn't pay as much and those machines were very expensive and they had to pay them off.

We were all stunned that he so blatantly exposed his reasons for recommending those treatments which likely wouldn't have prolonger her life and would have made her miserable... and would have cost the insurance company tons of money to boot.

He stormed out of the room and we were reaffirmed that our decision was the right one.

My mother did have a much more peaceful and blessed end of life experience than did her sister.

 

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:28 | 2428267 Cathartes Aura
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ahhh, the High Priests of Medicine, who are trained in the ways of miracle science and know far more about anything than you ever will, who work hand in glove with the pharma drug pushers, using "patients" (patience??) as their lab rats, who compete with each other to buy fancy new equipments to further test and bill you for. . . the medical-pharma pyramid scheme, applied to whole populations, cradle to endless waiting for the grave. . .

your mother was blessed to have caring humans with her to the end, she obviously raised you with love.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:21 | 2425740 robertocarlos
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My 2 liter Pepsi drinking, bucket of fried chicken eating, days are over. I have 5 months to lose 22 pounds. My friend said to give up all carbs except one. Good thing I stocked up on beer.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:40 | 2425774 JeffB
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I think your buddy meant 1 gram. ;)

Actually, a lot of the low carb diets recommend going with < 20 grams of net carbs per day.

Net carbs equals total carbs - fiber.

I tried it and was amazed. I had tried to go the health food route almost becoming a vegetarian and couldn't understand why things were going the wrong way. After flipping the "conventional wisdom" on it's head and ditching all of the fruits, grains and most vegetables, eating lots of fat, including bacon, butter, eggs, meat and fish I lost 23 pounds fairly quickly, even though I ate until I was satisfied.

Atkins.com has a lot of resources and a nice community there. People in the forums are quite knowledgable. A few of them are Atkins doctors.

 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:21 | 2425741 bshirley1968
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Drink yourself to death, take enough drugs to kill you, eat yourself to death, drink too many energy drinks until your heart explodes, etc.  All this reveals a lack of discipline and character.  Like a child that has to be regulated or he will just eat candy, cookies, and cake.  Men will rule themselves or the government will be happy to step in and do it for you.

As far as cost go, you all can kiss my ass.  Just what does it cost to run medicine in this country?  Most of the crap they use is cheap and the instruments are re-useable.  They spend more on paperwork and billing than anything else.  All the liberal bastards want oil companies to give the oil and gas away, but you let some goober come up with a medical breakthrough and he is treated like a god.  Medical people aren't expected to do and give things out of the goodness of their heart and for the good of mankind.  I'd like to see the actual cost of open heart surgery.  Just how much in materials, goods, etc.  We are being held hostage by a medical tyranny that hasn't found a cure to a disease since they cured polio.  I appreciate the medical field and what they can do but I am tired of being held hostage by them with regards to cost.  I will do my part but many of us need  some medical attention now and then and we shouldn't have to feel guilty for it or be afraid of being destroyed financially.

Finally, screw this insurance stuff.  if people had to pay for their choices they would be more careful.  Want to reduce medical cost and put things back on a fair playing field, drop this insurance crap and pay as we go.  Prices would come down and we wouldn't have to worry about paying for the irresponsibility of others.  Drop health insurance and doctors would find out what it is like to compete in a fair market.  People would learn to take care of others willingly.  Insurance is socialism pure and simple and has no place in a free market society.  I realize we can't go back now without some serious pain.  It may come whether we like it or not.  The medical system all over the world is going to be used as a tool to enslave and hold us hostage.  Our decisions will be weighed on how they affect the collective.  "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one or the few."  That is the BS Europe is dealing with and what has come to this country.  Just remember this, the death rate is still 100%, and no one has ever found the fountain of youth or learned how to live forever.  I am pretty sure we won't ever find it no matter how much it cost.

 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:26 | 2425752 Stuck on Zero
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Let's think about this.  That's about 150 million people carrying an average 75 lbs. of excess lard.  That's 5 to 6 million tons of lard.  Eeeewwww.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:37 | 2425765 palmereldritch
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Yeah but from a Fight Club perspective, that's a lot of soap

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:44 | 2425779 Hulk
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a lot of fried chicken is what that is...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:25 | 2425837 palmereldritch
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I don't think you can sell fried chicken soap Ed...lol

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:14 | 2425853 TheAlchemist
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Cheap fast food is horrible for you. Ramen noodles in the store? Those cheap packs of processed lunch meat? Salt, preservatives, and bullshit.

It may not taste bad because of all the additives, but if you think any of that crap is good for you...

It's sad and ridiculous:

- Food industry changed to make cheap food that tasted good.
- This "new food" is terrible for you.
- Health nuts say "we want better food".
- The "organic" trend is born
- And of course "organic" costs 3x what the other stuff does.

It's almost like this was done on purpose...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:41 | 2428304 Cathartes Aura
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perhaps if you frame your argument differently it will make more sense to you. . .

all food was "organic" prior to industry taking over the food supply - when industry began to add pesticides and chemicals to the food, "organic" plain food was what "poor" people ate, not packaged and processed like a TV dinner - so convenient! so easy! so modern!! - the Dr. Spock's of the world advised on how to raise your babies on formulas (love he name, so math & science-y!!), processed crap made by corporate Nestle, etc. - scientifically proved better than breast milk!! added manufactured nutrients!! - not "organic" mother's milk. . .

so now you have a choice between factory fud stuffs, made "cheaper" because it's mass produced (and it's not really cheaper any more, but you can't remember how to grow foods, so in the end, yes, it IS convenient), or the "organic" foods - which do cost more, because if they're grown by humans who pay attention to the crop rotations and soil nutrient depletion, etc. - you're having to pay for the cost of the human's land, their time, their costs to get your food to market, etc. - and it costs much more to even exist in these times, let alone produce healthy foods to sell you.

it's a different perspective, yes.  grow some of your own food, cheapest yet - and you'll learn to appreciate the actual costs inherent in the foods you eat, the labour that goes into your meals.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:28 | 2425884 pholosophy1
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After 35 min of this shit program of little value (5 min worth of useful info in that 35 min) I could not watch any longer.  The formula is the same as that applied to the massive number of kids on drugs for "attention" problems.  I hear words like "complex problem" and see Docs looking at symptoms and results to obesity but no look at the reason.  A bunch of hearts?  WTF  Why not look at the hearts of the Cows that go from birth to slaughter in 1/2 of the time (15 months vs. 30+ months) and weigh more... Is it a coincidence this "food technology" and its widespread use is just about the same age as the obesity in America and the rest of the world? Americans are and always have been nothing but Guinea Pigs for the food industry and for anyone who thinks for a second we have any government regulations in the production of our food, think again.  Every animal has had their life cycle cut in half with hormones, antibiotics and GM food.  We are just a product of becoming what we eat.  It is all one big experiment and anybody who eats any meat product that is put in the grocery store today (or any food service outlet) is participating... Oh, and the fact that soda and chips are a major portion of our diet... Yea, cut those 2 out and you loose 30% of the weight over night... 

Oh, wait, what the hell am I talking about?  If anything like people stopped getting fat actually happened, our economy would collapse!!  The apparel industry would shrivel and die.  Could you IMAGINE a world where someone actually wore something till it wore out?  I mean, think about the billions of dollars that just get spent keeping your cloths up with your waste line... What the hell?  And, there is nobody on the planet who knows the value of $1 then the soda duopoly in America (who incidentally own about 70% of all liquids consumed in America).  We suck down a $2 bottle of sugar water in a few min.  Over 1/2 the planet still "lives" on that amount each day...

I digress...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:02 | 2425923 reader2010
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Become a vegan if you still have any critical thinking skill left. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:06 | 2425930 palmereldritch
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As a herbivore you WILL be occupying the bottom of the food pyramid.  Stay healthy and stay agile!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:03 | 2425928 Cathartes Aura
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good rant. . .

that sugar water duopoly gets into some interesting conundrums as water scarcity in such nations as India, etc. interferes with the need to suck water tables dry prior to adding their HFCS patented concoctions, and then selling it back to the peoples who can't afford. . . water.

there were stories about this a decade or so ago, but I think they resolved, giving executive jobs to the native-born helps, hmm.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:03 | 2425926 Dingleberry
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Ok bitchez....how many "weight loss" books are at the bookstore? Can you even count that high? Now kiddies....what does that tell you? Hmmm?......anyone...???

THERE IS NO MAGIC FORMULA FOR WEIGHT LOSS, YOU FAT FUCKS!!  Put down the FORK and EXERCISE!!!!  Stop eating PIZZA, and FAST FOOD and COLA's, etc.   Ever see a fat concentration camp inmate? Think you wouldn't lose weight after working 16 hour days eating gruel? Stop making excuses for your fat, lazy ass. Get off the couch. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:10 | 2425934 palmereldritch
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 Let's hear it for The All-FEMA workout!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:15 | 2425946 reader2010
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What they don't want to tell you is that they will come up with new laws, that not only require insurance companies charge much larger premium for those that are overweight and obesis for health insurance and life insurance policies, but also deny medicare to some.  Coporate media tell coporate intentions.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:21 | 2425960 boiltherich
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I was 6 feet and 125 pounds when I got out of the service at 21, and because work was really hard to come by and what there was did not pay shit I had to have roomies and we ate vegetarian because it was all we could afford, it really was cheap back then. Around 1982. But, I lost weight no matter how much I ate I could not keep pounds on, I went to 116 and my doctor said I had to eat meat.

At 54 I am 5'11.5" and 163 naked, BMI of 22, and while I try to get one good home cooked meal per day that is balanced I also supplement with low cal meal replacement protein bars and a low fat milkshake with high quality whey protein. I will never be a bulked up hulk but I also will never be overweight no less disgustingly grossly obese. It is more than a health epidemic, it is downright offensive, and whatever happened to the Mumu? Used to be obese people wore this tent of a garment called a Mumu, they were still gross but when you see a woman at 5'6" and 300 pounds in tight spandex shorts and a tube top it is borderline criminally ugly, indecent.

Still, often I see some that are ashamed of their weight and I feel really bad for those, and I think when I hear all these theories about why this is happening none fit. I think it is a combination of sedentary life brought on by all the electronics and convenience lifestyles, and the highly processed high sugar high salt foods made with GM crops, and lastly that media actually PROMOTES such tolerant attitudes as programming like Mike and Molly, a virtual celebration of morbid obesity. I also want to point out that every single person I know that quit smoking blimped up way WAY over the obesity mark. They were better off health wise with tobacco.

How about we tax people that are overweight by the pound for each pound above their ideal weight, and PAY some of that to people who stay below their recommended weight, charge them more for airfares and give discounts to the thin? Insurance discounts for thin people, surcharges for the fat.

And that fat is an energy source, we should have an SPR for the fat that we could be collecting from these people, carve off 40-50 pound from each and BINGO, no fuel shortages.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:40 | 2425989 malek
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Mostly a good starting part for the documentary.

To be expected in the following parts:
- Lose weight quick with minimal pain!
- The government has to do something!!
- (more subliminal) We need to put a tax on the bad stuff!!!

Questions not answered nor asked:
- Why are people eating so much - might they be looking for comfort food?
- Why do people seem to need comfort food more often than in earlier decades?
- Might that have something to do with people subconsciously realizing the web of lies they are surrounded by?

But maybe I'm too negative.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:48 | 2426012 foxenburg
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There seems to be a mistaken belief that because the ingredients are "artisan", "fresh from the cow", "hand grown & picked", "organic", etc that it doesn't matter how much of them one eats. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 02:27 | 2426043 icanhasbailout
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What's the nutritional value of a Federal Reserve Note? That's all these fatties are going to have left to eat, soon. (They'll try to eat us skinny folk but they can't catch us.)

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 02:56 | 2426063 George Orwell
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Let's get real: the people who say that they have tried "everything" to lose weight, haven't tried anything.   

Eating less for 1 week and then give up is not trying.   Jogging once or twice and then give up is not trying.

If they are really trying we would see more fat people out there "trying" everything.  But we don't.  Fortunately Peak Oil will force the change in their habits.  Food prices will rise.  And that will force people to eat less and walk more.  They simply cannot afford to drive any more.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:27 | 2426512 SeekingNuNormal
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Necessity is the mother of all fat burning!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:24 | 2428251 malek
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Calls himself George Orwell and propagates Peak Oil... right

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:59 | 2428384 JeffB
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Health food stores all over the place. Gyms and spas popping up all over the place, and people jogging around in glorified underwear all over the country and our populace keeps getting fatter and fatter.

It's no coincidence this is happening after the government jumped in with their food pyramid and attempts to refashion what people ate.

Check out Gary Taubes' book, which is an eye opener. The government never had actual science to back up their endeavors into changing America's eating habits and much of the science that comes in contradicts their recipe for health:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/weight-nation-documenting-americas-obesity-epidemic-part-1-consequences#comment-2425739

Taubes shows that it isn't just a lack of willpower, but a diet too high in carbohydrates, sugar and fructose in particular, that elevates insulin levels causing fat cells to pull that sugar out of the bloodstream, which in turn causes a rebound effect and makes people hungry again a short time later.

It isn't a lack of willpower causing most people's problems, but an unhealthy diet. And the government's prescription for a "healthy diet" is fatally flawed.

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 04:18 | 2426103 giovanni_f
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you are so one sided. Chubby-milf-porn loving SEC clerks are pro-obesity

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 04:22 | 2426104 Elorant
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You can go Greek (that is in diet).

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 05:20 | 2426119 Apostate2
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People are bored and greed is no longer a sin. And, parasitic diseases--worms have been effectively eliminated.

The worm will turn.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 06:36 | 2426143 laosuwan
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Alex Jones has released a report stating the obesity issue is actually a plot by the Bilderbergs and Aliens to kill off the american population. Here is article:

 

Crazed, Unshaven Alex Jones Publishes Incomprehensible 10,000-Word Rant About Aliens, Jews, Nanobots, genetically modified cheeseburgers

 

14 May 2012

 

TEXAS – The highly anticipated expose by former Branch Dividian member Alex Jones was finally released this morning, only to disappoint readers who found the 10,000-word essay to be the completely unreadable, illogical rantings of a possibly insane person.

 

The article, which Alex’s former employer KJFK-FM declined to release because of its supposedly incendiary revelations about the three week old grand niece of George Bush and her involvement in satanic rituals, was titled “Nano-Nuclear Overlords Of The Seventh Dimension Within Our Collective Hive Brain” and made only minor passing references to politics or political figures.

 

Originally intended for release on April 13, repeated delays and increasingly cryptic apologies from Jones added to the hype surrounding the article, which was allegedly based on the contents of 3,000 Wikileaks documents about the song “"I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing (In Perfect Harmony)" that he had obtained and was studying thoroughly.

 

Posted on Jones’s personal blog site at 7am, the article was quickly disseminated and reprinted by the alternative press and blogosphere, including the George Washington site and USA Watchdog, under a pre-arranged plan to mass-distribute the article before Bilderberg functionaries could block it. As many as 30 websites, including ZeroHedge, were reportedly carrying the story by 8am, at which point people actually had a chance to read it.

 

Variously described as “gibberish,” “bizarre,” and “the ravings of a lunatic” by Jones’s colleagues, followers and supporters, the article described the so-called “invisible globalist hand” that controls the world as the fringe effects of 3000-milennia war between two intergalactic armies of space-faring beings whose weaponized “brain-imaginings” caused entire humanoid civilizations to come into existence.

 

Additionally, a renegade member of one of the intergalactic beings apparently “went rogue” from its native dimension and was hiding on Earth in the form of photoplankton blooms and Freemasons, who were responsible for building the pyramids and the Eiffel Tower, initiated the Nazi genocide to silence the Jews who were about to reveal the conspiracy, and who were soon going to release a cloud of nanobots to re-collectivize the brains of the human race.

 

The globalist conspiracy was only mentioned in the article as a “zero-material portal” through which messages could be sent through time using a language of “encoded neutrino probabilities,” a skill limited to a select few humanoid “dimensional slider-knights” including 19th-century scientist Nikola Tesla, goth singer Nick Cave and capitalist Warren Buffet.

 

Other prominent globalists such as Bill Clinton and Tammy Faye Baker were briefly mentioned, but played no more significant a role in the overall story than non-globalist figures such as US actress Marisa Tomei, and long-deceased baseball player “Shoeless” Joe Jackson, whose participation in deliberately losing the 1919 World Series was, according to Jones, “the opening of the First Door.”

 

Jones also released a chart allegedly outlining the complex relationships between the major players in the vast intergalactic conspiracy, which involved such disparate elements as the Saudi Royal Family, the extinction of the dinosaurs 60 million years ago, and the price of a 12 ounce pack of Slim Jims. As of press time, none of the bloggers who had reposted the article and chart were able to offer an explanation, or for that matter a linear thought process, on either item.

 

The veracity of the surprising conclusions of the article was further put into doubt by the appearance of Jones himself in a YouTube video posted at the same time as the article’s release. In it, an unshaven and possibly sleep-deprived Jones gargles at the camera a series of non-sequiter warnings about “convergence” and “the Third Door Plan.”

 

Friends and colleagues have speculated that the long hours of reading so many Wikileaks documents may have caused Jones some kind of mental breakdown, possibly exacerbated by abuse of coffee and other mild stimulants. Many of the Twitter followers who initially disseminated the article later expressed sympathy for Jones and his condition and theories about what may have happened to him.

 

More fanciful theories on alternative blogs have suggested that the reading of Wikileaks releases exposes the reader to satanic codes that makes one a victim of a brain-wasting conspiracy that destroys the ability to think forever.

 

Meanwhile, the article remains accessible on Jones’s blog and other sites. The Federal Emergency Management Agency announced that while no clear crime had been committed by Jones, they were still combing through the 10,000-word article in search of possible violations that might warrant further evaluation of him in one of their newly opened re-education camps.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 06:52 | 2426153 Gmpx
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I was on a fat track (my weight was going up beyond control) and I found a solutioin which worked for me and then for all my family. It is quite simple and free and I will tell the forum if you put 999 ups on this comment :)

It is not about food but about exercise. Food of course is importnat too, but when you know what exercise it is you will laugh and will undersatnd why food becomes not an issue.

I have physics degree is so it is quite scientific idea too.

Waiting for the ups :)

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 07:43 | 2426218 lindaamick
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Of course being fat is 100% blamed on individuals. 

No mention of the cellular consequences of eating GMO laden processed foods. 

No mention of the labor class having to work 2 to 3 jobs to survive in the US. 

No mention of healthful, organic foods being expensive and hard to find in rural areas. 

No mention of the lack of education regarding food contents. 

No mention of food factories used to raise animals feeding them such things as chicken litter as protein and antibiotics to keep them from dying before slaughter.

Nope.  All big ag, big biotech and big pharma transnational corporations can provide what they want in the way of foodstuffs and there is no consequence because we will ALWAYS BLAME THE INDIVIDUAL.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:39 | 2427250 smb12321
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This is really a non-starter.  People were not fat in the past even while gorging on fried chicken, chicken and dumplings, country ham, grease, lard and the like.   Processed food is a convenient whipping boy but the majority of process material is simply vitamin C.  Also, without processed food the nation would starve - it's that simple.  Besides, how "healthy" is it to have fresh corn or mash potatoes slathered in mounds of butter?

Clearly,education is not the problem. This generation knows more about calories, carbs, diets, portions, pyramids,cholesterol & vitamins than all generations combined and it has not helped.  And what does working 2 or 3 jobs have to do with good eating?  No, it's our sedentary lifestyle and the fact that food is so plentiful and the cheapest is also the worst.  

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:16 | 2426451 stiler
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grow your own food-- tax free

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:28 | 2427168 smb12321
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It's a cultural, evolutionary and economic consequence - plain and simple.  Evolutionally, the body learned to store food as fat because food was once scared.  Culturally, fat is acceptable in the US & Mexico whereas in Japan & China view it as a moral failing.  Economically, capitalism was so successful that we are surrounded by cheap, plentiful food 24/7 unlike any time in history.

The worst foods are also the cheapest - pasta, rice, potatoes, butter, etc - but the biggest problem is that bad food tastes wonderful!

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:27 | 2428265 malek
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potatoes and rice are bad foods, yeah sure

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