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As WTI Passes $105, Guardian Says Iran "Military Action Likely", Would Send Crude Soaring

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Between the Chinese 'surprise' RRR and the Iran export halt to UK and France (and escalating tensions), Oil prices are off to the races this evening. WTI front-month futures have just broken $105 (now up more than 10% in the last two weeks), the highest levels in over nine months and just 8% shy of the 5/2/11 post-recession peak just under $115. Brent (priced in EUR) remains off last week's intraday highs (as EUR strengthens) but still above the pre-recession peak but in USD it traded just shy of $121 - well above last week's peak. Of course, this will be heralded as a sign of demand pressure from a 'growing' global economy rather than the margin-compressing, implicit-taxation, consumer-spending-crushing supply constraint for Europe and the US that it will become in the not too distant future. As we post, The Guardian is noting that US officials are commenting that "Sanctions are all we've got to throw at the problem. If they fail then it's hard to see how we don't move to the 'in extremis' option." The impact of any escalation from here is gravely concerning with PIMCO's $140 minimum and SocGen's $150-and-beyond Brent prices rapidly coming into focus - and for those pinning their hopes on the Saudis coming to the rescue (and fill the Iranian output gap), perhaps the news that our Middle-East 'allies' cut both production and exports in December will stymie any euphoria.

From The Guardian: US officials believe Iran sanctions will fail, making military action likely

Growing view that strike, by Israel or US, will happen
• 'Sweet spot' for Israeli action identified as September-October
• White House remains determined to give sanctions time

"It's not that the Israelis believe the Iranians are on the brink of a bomb. It's that the Israelis may fear that the Iranian programme is on the brink of becoming out of reach of an Israeli military strike, which means it creates a 'now-or-never' moment," he said.

"That's what's actually driving the timeline by the middle of this year. But there's a countervailing factor that [Ehud] Barak has mentioned – that they're not very close to making a decision and that they're also trying to ramp up concerns of an Israeli strike to drive the international community towards putting more pressure on the Iranians."

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Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:09 | 2176166 Yen Cross
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Haven't talked with anyone directly yet. But have heard some talk of  $110bbl immediatly off of current prices. That's WTI not North Sea ( Brent) which I would guess would jump to $122 ish.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:27 | 2176216 ghengis86
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Now or never, remember? Like take that 9mpg Ford Expedition for one last load at Home Depot for the final touches on your flip house in Clearwater before your $2k in Obama/Bankster payola that won't buy much more than a few days/weeks time. Do you renew that Netflix subscription? Do you want to eat Alpo the rest of your life? Come on man!! It's now or never!!!

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:35 | 2176237 Michael
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I had a dream Israel was wiped off the map in a world war and nobody cared.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:54 | 2176287 Xkwisetly Paneful
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KILL THEM ALL!

 

AFTERALL THE MIDDLE EAST WAS A PEACEFUL PARADISE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS PRIOR TO THOSE AWEFUL EVIL ZIONISTAS.

Asalam Alekem Brothers.

 

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:59 | 2176305 Comay Mierda
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You guys are fucking nuts. This is all part of albert pike's three world wars plan to establish a satanic world government. look it up

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:00 | 2176311 Tsar Pointless
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Ahh - an Albert Pike reference. Loves it! A big +1 to you, my friend.

I'll name drop Nikola Tesla, just for shits and giggles.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 01:23 | 2176860 SilverDoctors
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I can almost hear Bush and Cheney now....

Bomb bomb bomb....bomb bomb Iran!
Bomb bomb bomb....bomb bomb Iran!

This is not looking good.  With a Greek default less than a month away unless massive new printing can be agreed upon, it appears that the elite are instead choosing plan B: Start WW3 and blame Iran for the collapse.

http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 01:43 | 2176874 The Big Ching-aso
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I think we're about to get a crude awakening.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 08:34 | 2177085 Dead Canary
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That's not punny.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:42 | 2177187 mick_richfield
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Oil be the judge o' that!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:49 | 2176932 sun tzu
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FYI - Bush and Cheney haven't been president for 3 1/2 years. Wake up, Rip Van Winkle.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 05:29 | 2177005 Michael
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MSNBC news, CNN news, and FOX news has 320 million American's licking 6 million Israeli bung holes.

That's the way I see it.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 07:55 | 2177059 JoBob
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Michael, how's your anal fixation these days?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 08:24 | 2177074 Think for yourself
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Correction. It was plan A all along.

Albert Pike was not mentioned upthread for nothing. Hell, the masonic satanists outlined this in 1871.

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:03 | 2176325 Piranhanoia
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Do you mean Albert Shanker?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:02 | 2176508 SwingForce
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Michael Schenker, UFO

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:47 | 2176607 Bolweevil
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Rudolf Schenker, Scorpions

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:52 | 2176619 Gully Foyle
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Michael Shanks, Stargate

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 00:29 | 2176802 AldousHuxley
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US was going to do a quick strike with the drones, but realized that Chinese hacked the drone communication technology and gave it to Iran.

Moreover, Iran also has their own drones perhaps provided by Russia/China aerospace.

 

Russia and China said they will support Syria.....Iran's only friend in ME.

 

This is not some blacksheep Sadaam's Iraq or dirt poor Afghanistan with 100year history of foreign invasions.

Iran = ex-Persian empire....they know the game....so they beat US to it....

  • built nukes with smart scientists while Americans were flipping homes
  • invested in STEM education to come up with scientists to creat etheir own fighterjets and drones, while Americans rely on imported Chinese engineers who have no loyalty to upper echelon of USA (white old man)
  • created their own oil exchange away from dollar, while America used their scientists and engineers in financial engineering to invent MBS, CDS, CDO sales and high frequency trading bs.
Mon, 02/20/2012 - 01:29 | 2176866 Pinto Currency
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Just like the failed anchovy harvest in the 70s along with OPEC that caused the last inflation shock, it looks like those awful Iranians are going to cause another inflation storm now.

 

Don't mention the printing of trillions of paper dollars by Western central banks. 

 

The Iranians are doing this because they hate our freedoms.  Freedoms like the TSA crotch groping, FBI wiretapping, having the right to have a bank robosign away your title to your home, and all that stuff.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:32 | 2177164 SWRichmond
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If only the average american "homeowner" knew how fucked up the chain of title was for residential proprty in the U.S....

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:33 | 2177479 MachoMan
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The chain of title is not remotely fucked up...  we know the owners of record for every property...  and, if incorrect (e.g. death of owner and failure by heirs to properly record conveyance to them), then affidavits can be used to fill in the gaps. 

The problem that we have is with potential clouds on the titles...

Note: who do you think is going to win, a bonafide purchaser, for value, of a home without a recorded assignment or a 15 level downstream assignee of a mortgage who has no real paperwork to prove the assignment?  Best case scenario, when the BFP closes and pays the lienholder of record, the last assignee has a cause of action against whoever got the proceeds... 

The law has a lot of safeguards built in...  and they're going to get ramped up starting this year, but especially next...  just watch.  (and you thought the banks were undercapitalized now...)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:20 | 2176906 Michael
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Diversification is important.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:55 | 2176939 sun tzu
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The Iranian built jet fighters will be wiped out in a couple of days. Their only hope is a guerilla war and attacks on US, EU, and Israeli soft targets around the world. They do have some decent SAMs from Russia and China, so that might protect them a bit.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:22 | 2177137 Element
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to create their own fighterjets

 

Let's not overstate it, they created a small fast-jet trainer, and put a gun and small bomb payload on it.

It's no more a fighter than a US, Brit or Russian trainer, with limited avionics, ground-attack options, and A2A weapons.

Those limited capabilities are there simply so these aircraft can fulfil their role as a combat and weapon trainer.

They would have almost no hope of getting into an effective firing position in any real battle, and zero hope of survival.

It will greatly assist Iran to design and develop a real second-tier fighter one day, and especially attack aircraft, and the necessary avionics etc., but they are coming from way behind.

My guess is they're going to buy latest-gen Russian or Chinese offerings in the interim, and a lot of very impressive precision missiles.

Barter is good.

China needs the oil and Iran needs a new first tier multirole attack aircraft, with real first-tier fighter capabilities.

I'm pretty sure they will find an agreeable medium of exchange, for such a trade.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:46 | 2176731 redpill
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here I am...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 01:55 | 2176884 TheFourthStooge-ing
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SwingForce said:

Michael Schenker, UFO

and Bolweevil said:

Rudolf Schenker, Scorpions

Rudolph Schenker and his seventeen year old little brother Michael, Scorpions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1BGCechX3Y

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:19 | 2176674 Michael
Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:09 | 2176359 CrashisOptimistic
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Probably not.

But folks might want to notice that it's late February.  The northern hemisphere's agricultural base is getting ready to buy fuel for the tractors that plant the food the world eats.  Planting season starts in just a few weeks.  They'll be buying at $110/barrel.

Think that food will be cheap this year?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:14 | 2176373 UP Forester
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Long U.P. Speedbeef....

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:16 | 2176379 LetThemEatRand
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I'm sure it was just a coincidence that Corzine and his henchmen at MF Global largely destroyed the futures positions of said farmers.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:34 | 2176575 sullymandias
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Think that food will be cheap this year?

Food prices? Maybe they will stay cheap via futures manipulations until a real shortage exists. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:35 | 2177171 SWRichmond
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you can't eat paper food futures....

muahahahaha

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:11 | 2176654 Oleander
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We just talking about this today. Our locally grown organic tomatoes will not seem so highly priced this year.  Imported fruits and veggies will become very expensive.  Grow what you can yourself. There are great container garden websites available now for those who can not plant a whole garden. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 01:22 | 2176859 DaveyJones
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was thinking about this too as I put in more garden space

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:34 | 2177169 SWRichmond
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Also putting in more garden this year, doubling.  I love fresh veggies, not to mention having food...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 10:23 | 2177297 pods
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You really can grow alot of stuff in limited space if you try.  I usually start a dozen or so more cherry tomatoes than I am going to need, then give them away at work.  I was surprised at how excited people were when they would tell me that they tomatoes.  Going to run my long beans up the south side of the house this year to free up space in the main garden.  Got a second solar powered electric fence controller to keep the deer out.

Drip irrigation is so cheap nowadays that even those with little time in tougher climates can grow quite alot with minimum input.

pods

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:50 | 2177536 DaveyJones
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the Australians have done some great work on low water agriculture. Organic content of the soil is KEY. Soil with 2% organic can hold 75 percent more water than soil with 1. It's a giant sponge principle and it makes common sense. You can also build systems to catch and retain the rain that falls - from tank systems to mere ponds and carve outs in the hills that let it slowly seep into the earth below. I'm amazed the southwest doesn't require this. Have you ever seen Greening the Desert with Geoff Lawton?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:17 | 2176666 Bansters-in-my-...
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My goverment tells me that high fuel prices won't effect my food prices because food and fuel are not included in the Conumer Price Index,so with inflation not being a worry,////don't worry...../Sarc

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 00:06 | 2176761 SumSUN
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This isn't gonna affect plastic rice is it?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:53 | 2176936 Matt
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Unfortunately, since plastic is a product of oil, yes, your plastic rice is going to cost more; however, real rice, if hand-harvested, will cost less if produced locally, so you may be better off with some white basmati.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:11 | 2176365 Michael
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Sorry Albert, Michael's plan is now in effect.

The world's private central banks have been stuffed to the rafters with its member banks toxic waste. The central banks have so much toxic debt shit coming out of their ears they themselves created, they will blow themselves up into a quadrillion pieces leaving them and their member banks worthless, never to be heard from again.

I love it when my plans come together.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:15 | 2176376 vast-dom
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go engrave some min wage swastikas you fucking loser hater.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:35 | 2176579 sullymandias
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overall effort and attitude is good

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:45 | 2176602 vast-dom
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you know it! cleaning the retardo diaper and sputum off the 0h on a gorgeous Sunday evening listening to mellifluous tunes.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:44 | 2176724 jeff montanye
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some about here and elsewhere give anti-zionism a bad name but israel has a lot to answer for and answer for it, it will.

http://www.ijsn.net/home/

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:27 | 2177155 Element
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Clarinet by any chance?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:20 | 2176380 Xkwisetly Paneful
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KILL ALL THE EVIL POS ZIONISTAS!

Beyond being what should be naturally lawful imbecile,

being a jew hating doomsdayer is not unique or novel.

Aslam Alekem Brother Abdullah.

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:35 | 2176582 sullymandias
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you are a troll

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 01:26 | 2176863 DaveyJones
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(And not a very good one)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:01 | 2176890 TheFourthStooge-ing
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If he took the broomstick out of his ass, he might not be in so much 'pane'.

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:20 | 2176678 Bansters-in-my-...
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You are a Provocateer(spelling)? and/or a Govt plant....

But definately an Idiot.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:50 | 2176728 jeff montanye
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provocateur.

though provocateer has interesting associations: privateer, racketeer, mouseketeer.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:43 | 2177181 SWRichmond
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You can be either an "agent provocateur":  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

 

or shop at "agent provocateur" (NSFW): http://www.agentprovocateur.com/?cmp=PS010203&gclid=CJnmivrWrK4CFQff4Aod...

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:03 | 2176321 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Good thing the Crusades brought peace to the region.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:11 | 2176357 Xkwisetly Paneful
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No the Dark Ages were some of man's best days, I was just reading that the avg roman farmer was much more prosperous during them than during the empire. Oh yea I read it here on oppositeworld.com.

Good thing the former eastern bloc, parts of latin america and parts of asia haven't blown by the middle east the the last 100yrs despite not finding oil.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:29 | 2176424 trav7777
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how is any of this our problem?

Let the desert jockeys all fight it out amongst each other.  If the joos win or lose, who cares?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:34 | 2176435 LetThemEatRand
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This is our problem because the oligarchs you support want more oil to feed their machine.  The whole nuclear thing is completely irrelevant, but it works great for the blood hungry sheep.

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:49 | 2176611 tmosley
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It's funny, I had never thought of it as Trav supporting the status quo, but rather just Trav wanting everyone that wasn't him to die.  Come to think of it, it makes perfect sense now.

You're an ok guy Rand, even if your ideology is poisonous.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:09 | 2176634 LetThemEatRand
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My ideology is freedom from the oligarchs.  Then again, it's not really an ideology because I think the solutions are extremely complicated and difficult to implement.  They certainly involve the little guys banding together to fight the power by sheer number.  that's poison to many.

Even after signing the Magna Carta, the King of England tried to revoke it.  He signed it because he was under the gun.   Kind of like the oligarchs that let America exist for a couple of hundred years.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:54 | 2177565 DaveyJones
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"They certainly involve the little guys banding together to fight the power by sheer number." - funny, most solutions have that formula

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 03:26 | 2176959 trav7777
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the oligarchs *I* support? WTF are you smoking, man?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:51 | 2176485 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Must use that unicorn piss to fire up the computer.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:13 | 2176541 cjbosk
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Caliphate, coming to a US city near you...

When the tar babies are cutting the heads off of people in our back yards it will most certainly be "our problem"...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 00:27 | 2176799 JOYFUL
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head's cut off?

Can't be as big a problem as is let on, since you definitely runnin around without one, yet still able to perform basic tasks like typing...even if at a reduced neural capacity.

Kinda handy, havin your brain where your ass supposed to be ain't it!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:49 | 2178111 cjbosk
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Typical Libtard diarrhea . You sound really smart you genius you

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:58 | 2176944 sun tzu
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They can't cut heads off here or in Europe unless our corrupt governments willingly allow them to immigrate here. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 03:28 | 2176960 trav7777
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cease immigration.  End of problem.  Enforce law.

When white backlash comes, it is going to be very ugly for everyone in the way.  White people, unlike muslims and joos and all the other agitators, really do know how to kill.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:38 | 2177920 Bananamerican
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ok Trav...you have officially jumped the shark here...in a Klan robe

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:27 | 2176417 trav7777
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how the fuck is that relevant?  The ME was fucked up and WE DIDN'T CARE.  Nor should we.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:40 | 2176443 LetThemEatRand
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The oligarchs want to own it.  It's what they do.  It's all a big super market to them.  

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 03:29 | 2176961 trav7777
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is there ANYTHING you just said that I haven't explained in great detail 1000 times already?

Do you honestly think I was asking you for an explanation as to why we will inevitably invade Iran?

The post I responded to wasn't about Iran, it was about Israel.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:08 | 2177615 DaveyJones
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Some arrogance is built on knowledge. Other forms have a complicated, darker genesis 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:34 | 2177167 Element
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The ME was fucked up and WE DIDN'T CARE.  Nor should we.

 

You heartless bastard! ... you obviously don't have shares in Lockheed Martin.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:11 | 2176366 obelisks
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Israel this and Israel that ! I'm totally fed up of the world affairs being dominated by

what 6 million people want and don't want. I share your view that I don't think anyone would give a damn

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 01:10 | 2176852 RichardP
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So, you think all principles are the same and there is no point in distinguishing among them.

Not.  Some principles are better than others.  Some behaviors are better than others.  Some world views are better than others.  It is a worthwhile activity to distinguish among them.

If you respond, be careful to not respond to what I am not saying.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 03:30 | 2176962 trav7777
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uh, you didn't respond to what he WAS saying.  Your entire post is a non sequitur, so STFU

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:14 | 2176901 walküre
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Correct. Just like nobody cared about another FBI patsy trying to bring terrorism to the US. This time they used an alleged suicide bomber wanting to blow up Congress? Really? Who would have cared?

FBI the King's new jesters?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 04:50 | 2177001 StychoKiller
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A large group of Americans would have applauded if he had succeeded at blowing up Congress...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 07:25 | 2177041 JPMorgan
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I think the US will need a ' V for Vendetta ' moment in the future if it is too be saved.

A act of home grown terrorism against a fascist government that the suppressed 99% will come out and applaud and support.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:12 | 2176369 lynnybee
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I had a dream Israel was wiped off the map in a world war and nobody cared.   ... that's strange, i've had that exact same dream !

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:45 | 2176473 Chimerican
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What would jesus say?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:30 | 2176560 LetThemEatRand
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Mary and Joseph.... I need another glass of wine!  Nevermind, I got it.  P.S.  I'm just jealous.  

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:30 | 2176701 Troll Magnet
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jesus would say: those fuckers had me killed. fuck'em!

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:41 | 2176717 UP Forester
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jesus would say:  de shrubs a leetle shorter, meester?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:14 | 2176900 Kiwi Pete
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Senor, make mine a double Margarita.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:53 | 2176622 ThatGuyEhler
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He would remind us that if we looked a little more closely at Genesis, and did some extra research, we would realize that the "Jews" in Israel are not the real Jews, to whom the land of Israel was given. Look it up. As a Christian, I would have absolutely no problem getting rid of Israel and giving it back to the real BIOLOGICAL Jews - the Palestinians.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:14 | 2176655 mayhem_korner
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"As a Christian"

 

I don't recognize your sentiments as being Christian.  Revisit the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10), where Jesus explains to the Scribe (who in the parable is represented by the man left for dead) "which of these three was like a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers?"

Jesus came for Jews and Gentiles alike.  Sin entered the world, and every man in it, through one man (Adam) and was soaked up on the cross by another (Jesus, the "second Adam").  Thus anyone who follows Jesus is part of the new-covenant body and nation of "Israel."

The distinction you make is irrelevant to Jesus, for as Paul writes in Romans 3:22-23 "there is no difference, for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are redeemed by Christ."

Selah.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:20 | 2176677 ThatGuyEhler
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All I am saying is that many Christians would defend Israel's right to exist quite vigilantly, however it's really the Palestinians land. I know that God came for both the Jews and the non-Jewish (Gentiles). But what does that have to do with the argument over who owns the land of Palestine?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:26 | 2176690 LetThemEatRand
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Even the Bible is open to interpretation and spin. But surely we can have the objective Rule of Law advocated by the Randers.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:40 | 2176714 Troll Magnet
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jews don't own any land. they never have. why the fuck don't we understand this FACT? judaism is a fucking religion ie FICTION. they have no right to anything. they could give israel to a bunch of tibetan monks for all i care. just leave americans out of it!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 00:14 | 2176775 SumSUN
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Nobody REALLY owns land.  We use it until we die.  Why can't we all share and get along?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 01:16 | 2176854 RichardP
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Why would you want to share and get along with infidels?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:17 | 2176902 walküre
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but you're wrong! jews own ALL THE LANDS of the world by now! well, maybe not China - yet.

who owns the banks that hold all the property title?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 00:27 | 2176800 mayhem_korner
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Even the Bible is open to interpretation and spin.

 

Yes, but there is only one Truth.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 01:17 | 2176858 RichardP
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The truth exists, even though we may not know what it is.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:38 | 2176922 silverbullion
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You're right, the truth exists, absolute truth I should add. If one gets out of a car wreck and think you're in shock, then you will be even more shocked when facing the cold hard facts which make up absolute truth. Unfortunately the majority of people continue to reject truth and deny its existence. This is why million upon millions of people are ending up in the abyss after dying the physical death here on earth... they damn themselves by believing lies, while each and everyone's motto should be: Prove all things!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 04:54 | 2177002 StychoKiller
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Prove that you have some compassion:  http://www.worldvision.org

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:09 | 2177127 silverbullion
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LOL Should I follow your lead? :-)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 00:32 | 2176804 mayhem_korner
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But what does that have to do with the argument over who owns the land of Palestine?

 

I may have misunderstood what you were saying.  I was responding to your comment that you would "get rid of Israel."   I read that to mean forcibly/violently, which doesn't sync with "love thy neighbor" and "love thine enemies."  I wasn't weighing in on the who-should-occupy-the-land question.

Regrets if it was a misplaced comment.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:04 | 2177120 silverbullion
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I think it is of critical importance to distinguish between:

1. Israel as defined in the Bible - The Bible clearly teaches that the ethnos or nations are represented in the New Testament as the wild olive branch, and the Nation of Israel was represented as the natural branch. Both of these branches are of the same root, for both are of Adamic descent, both the House of Israel and the scattered nations. All were pure Adamics. However, for a time, the House of Israel had been entrusted to preserve the oracles of God, and it was through the strict laws governing that nation that the pure seedline was guaranteed that would lead to the Messiah, Jesus Christ. But in Christ, these two branches were grafted back together to be partakers of the root and fatness of the tree. Also, some branches were pruned from the tree, which represents those in Israel who had become apostate or mongrelized. Today, in Christ, there is neither Judean (not in reference to Jews) nor Greek, for all pure descendants of Adam are grafted into the same tree adn are all the true Israel of God if they choose their elections and are persuaded to be sons of God.

2. The modern State of Israel - It consists mainly of Jews who for one claim to be the Israel as defined in the Bible. This is despite the fact that their forebears viciously murdered the Aryan Jesus who came to pay the price on our behalf for what truly went down in the Garden of Eden, that which took God's Law of "seed after its own kind" forgranted. The terms "Jew" and "Jews", terms that have seen first light about 400 years ago and which were used to refer to money changers, must not be confused with the terms "Judean" and "Judeans".

Needless to say, firstly, the above only scratches the surface, we're after all not allowed to give the bread of the children to dogs, and secondly, I expect words such as "racist", "bigot", "hater" and similar words to be thrown in my direction, although the bulk of people making such claims are the true racists and haters, those who want to destroy the races created by the God of the Bible and hate Him and His people. Of course they will claim otherwise, but their words and actions shown them to be disobedient to the God of the Bible and actively engaged in war with Him and His people, a war they cannot win. I am not going to argue with anyone here pertaining to these facts. I state it so that those with the ears to ear can hear it and choose who they want to follow.

In terms of the Greek word ethnos...

The Bible itself clearly defines what is meant by the Greek word ethnos wich is commonly mistranslated as Gentiles, but which should be translated as nation. We read in Acts 17:26:

"And He made from one every nation of men, to live on all the face of the earth..."

The word one in this verse is in reference to Adam, so that the statement means that God made from one man, Adam, every nation of men, or in broader terms, He made from one racial stock, the Adamic race, every nation of men.

This verse, then, serves as the New Testament definition of the word ethnos or nation. The definition, therefore, is that all nations of men are descendants of Adamic stock. They are all of the same race, the race of Adam.

When the term ethnos or nation is used in the New Testament, it is used only of those people who were the racial progeny of Adam. When Romans 16:26 states that the mystery of the Anointed had been made known "to all the nations," that statement is qualified by Acts 17:26. Many criticize Romans 16:26 and other verses which state that the Good Message had already been or was shortly to be delivered to all the nations, such as Mark 13:10, because, they rightly point out, no student, ambassador, or other early Christian, is recorded in the Bible (or in other historical resources) going to any Asiatic or black African nations; the New Testament does record that the Good Message had been delivered to nations and peoples such as the Scythians, Greeks, Romans, Parthians, Medes, Elamites, Mesopotamians, Judeans (not Jews), Cappadocians, Phrygians, Pamphylians, Egyptians, Libyans, Cyrenians, Cretes, Arabians, etc. Yet, all of these nations, in the first century, were composed of white people.

However, there is no contradiction between passages that state that the Good Message was to be delivered to every nation and the historical reality that it was not delivered to Orientals, Nubians, etc., when it is understood that by Biblical definition, the term nations, or as some translations render it, gentiles, was only in reference to white Adamics.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 10:47 | 2177357 General Decline
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"Jesus came for Jews and Gentiles alike.  Sin entered the world, and every man in it, through one man (Adam) and was soaked up on the cross by another (Jesus, the "second Adam").  Thus anyone who follows Jesus is part of the new-covenant body and nation of "Israel.""

It's true. Jesus did come for the Jews and the Gentiles.... But he did not come for the "children of the devil", "the sons of hell", "brood of vipers", "serpents" etc. you'll notice in Mathew 23 he never asked them to repent. He essentially told them to go to hell. There's not much room for interpretation, here.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:28 | 2177468 silverbullion
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I think you've missed the Judeans vs. Jews and Nations vs. Gentiles bit and it makes one hell of a difference.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:41 | 2177510 silverbullion
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The terms "Gentiles", "Jew" and "Jews" should not be in the Bible (in reference to the Christian Bible). It should read "nations", "Judean" and "Judeans". When Jesus spoke to the Judeans in John 8 He was speaking to the benefit of those who had the ears to hear and the anger in that speech was directed against the Jews who already infiltrated the true Israel of God at that stage, pretending to be children of our Aryan God instead of admitting who they really are, the bastard children of their father, Lucifer, who have transgressed God's Law of "seed after its own kind" in the Garden of Eden (and still continues to do so today on a world wide scale). True Christians, unlike so called "Judeo Christians", will never be at peace with Jews and the likes. It goes against our nature, that which our Aryan God proclaimed to be good, before Lucifer messed it up. There will never be peace between good and evil. It is all a dilusion and outright lie from the father of lies. 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:14 | 2176370 vast-dom
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hey asshole wipe yourself off the planet and i assure no one but your low IQ inbred pals and retardo fams would give half a shit. later hater hater.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:51 | 2176596 vast-dom
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-21 Michael racist hate supporters jesus the fucktard Sunday quotient just went parabolic up in here!

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:35 | 2176708 Michael
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vast-dom is a moronic piece of shit. Please fix your insecurities before spouting shit.

The only word I said in reference to anyone in this discussion is the word "Israel" one time.

PS, I don't censor my language for anyone.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 01:59 | 2176889 vast-dom
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you are a racist plain and simple and a rube. save it for your hick KKK forums pal.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:30 | 2176914 Michael
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You are an Israel ass licker. Why don't you go lick those 6 million Israeli bung holes. That will make you very happy, and those so few Israelis too.

P.S.

Why do those 6 million Israelis need 300+ nuclear missiles?

So much destructive capability for so few people, that is the definition of insanity.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 03:25 | 2176958 silverbullion
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I think it is of critical importance to distinguish between:

1. Israel as defined in the Bible - The Bible clearly teaches that the ethnos or nations are represented in the New Testament as the wild olive branch, and the Nation of Israel was represented as the natural branch. Both of these branches are of the same root, for both are of Adamic descent, both the House of Israel and the scattered nations. All were pure Adamics. However, for a time, the House of Israel had been entrusted to preserve the oracles of God, and it was through the strict laws governing that nation that the pure seedline was guaranteed that would lead to the Messiah, Jesus Christ. But in Christ, these two branches were grafted back together to be partakers of the root and fatness of the tree. Also, some branches were pruned from the tree, which represents those in Israel who had become apostate or mongrelized. Today, in Christ, there is neither Judean (not in reference to Jews) nor Greek, for all pure descendants of Adam are grafted into the same tree adn are all the true Israel of God if they choose their elections and are persuaded to be sons of God.

2. The modern State of Israel - It consists mainly of Jews who for one claim to be the Israel as defined in the Bible. This is despite the fact that their forebears viciously murdered the Aryan Jesus who came to pay the price on our behalf for what truly went down in the Garden of Eden, that which took God's Law of "seed after its own kind" forgranted. The terms "Jew" and "Jews", terms that have seen first light about 400 years ago and which were used to refer to money changers, must not be confused with the terms "Judean" and "Judeans". 

Needless to say, firstly, the above only scratches the surface, we're after all not allowed to give the bread of the children to dogs, and secondly, I expect words such as "racist", "bigot", "hater" and similar words to be thrown in my direction, although the bulk of people making such claims are the true racists and haters, those who want to destroy the races created by the God of the Bible and hate Him and His people. Of course they will claim otherwise, but their words and actions shown them to be disobedient to the God of the Bible and actively engaged in war with Him and His people, a war they cannot win. I am not going to argue with anyone here pertaining to these facts. I state it so that those with the ears to ear can hear it and choose who they want to follow.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 04:16 | 2176982 Michael
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Don't worry. The Anti-Semitism race card has been all played out. Maybe those people claiming that should get a productive paying job.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 04:50 | 2176989 Michael
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I would love to see David Duke and Louise Farrakhan be alowed to do a talk show together?

https://www.google.com/search?q=louis+farrakhan&hl=en&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=cQNCT7fHK4Gi2gXTwNmGCA&sqi=2&ved=0CEUQsAQ&biw=1590&bih=674

https://www.google.com/search?q=louis+farrakhan&hl=en&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=cQNCT7fHK4Gi2gXTwNmGCA&sqi=2&ved=0CEUQsAQ&biw=1590&bih=674#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=david+duke&oq=david+duke&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=12&gs_upl=60672l64781l0l68469l10l10l0l3l3l0l422l1439l0.6.4-1l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=eed015d31ec2b55b&biw=1590&bih=674

David Duke And The Problem With White Pride

Here is what is wrong with the writins of schills.

"Another disturbing example was the night several years later when my (Hispanic) boss, my (Hispanic) co-workers and I (Whitey McWhite) worked a late shift at the store and they were giving me a ride home at 3 AM. I was stuffed into the back seat and was not visible from the outside. A car full of Hispanics at three in the morning caught a policeman’s attention and we were pulled over. As the officer started to grill my (nervous) boss, I poked my head out and said “Good evening, officer! Is there something wrong?” I quickly told him that we had been working and they were dropping me off and I swear to you, he nodded, told us to have a good night and let us go without another word about why he pulled us over. Everyone in the car was staring at me as I sat back and said only half-jokingly, “That’s why you should keep a white boy on hand. Cops don’t bother us.” Now THAT’S privilege!"

And my version;

Another disturbing example was the night several years later when my (Hispanic) boss, my (Hispanic) co-workers and I (Whitey McWhite) worked a late shift at the store and they were giving me a ride home at 3 AM. I was stuffed into the back seat and was not visible from the outside. A car full of Hispanics at three in the morning caught a policeman’s attention and we were pulled over. As the officer started to grill my (nervous) boss, I poked my head out and said “Good evening, officer! Is there something wrong?” I quickly told him that we had been working and they were dropping me off and I swear to you, he nodded, told us to have a good night and let us go without another word about why he pulled us over. (I was speaking from a position of power where I as a homeowner, free and clear, pay the cops salery with my taxes.) Everyone in the car was staring at me as I sat back and said only half-jokingly, “That’s why you should keep a white boy on hand. Cops don’t bother us.” Now THAT’S privilege!

There, fixed it for ya.

http://filthyliberalscum.addictinginfo.org/2011/07/07/david-duke-and-the-problem-with-white-pride/

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2177540 trav7777
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LOL...no cop I have ever been pulled over by gave a shit that there was a white person in the car.

If a passenger stuck his head out the window, the cops would say shut the fuck up and keep your hands where I can see them.

As for all this white privilege, yes, white DNA is a privilege.  It typically means you are less prone to committing crimes and therefore the racist red light cameras won't catch you breaking the law as frequently.

The cops stop asian people even less frequently than they do whites.  So much for white privilege.  It appears that the cops stop people according to how statistically frequently people from that demographic group commit crime.

They stop men probably 50x as frequently as women...but in the SAME breath as we hear there is white privilege (because whites are stopped less) we will hear that there is male privilege despite this piece of "evidence" for the thesis being diametrically opposite!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:39 | 2177680 DaveyJones
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LOL - your first sentence impeaches itself. In your own words, how the fuck would you know? You were the white person sitting in the car. Is the fact that the officer did not confess that he was about to pull you out of the car and beat you until he saw you were white overwhelming proof of your thesis? What a joke

Leave it to Trav for an objective analysis of the criminal justice system and racial disparity. Michael's Whitey McWhite story has been repeated thousands of times. And it doesn't stop with cops. Tell me about crack and powder cocaine, its effects and then maybe US Circuit Court opinions on the legal justifications for enhancements and impact. Tell me about the Riverside County CA experiment where they took six young well dressed white males on multiple nights, drove them around in a convertible, had them pull into parking lots and stop etc with no contact and then of course the same exact routine with the same dress and nice car with six young black males and...BINGO.

Then not so long ago (consistent with Riverside and Michael):

  A black Milwaukee driver is seven times as likely to be stopped by city police as a white resident driver, a Journal Sentinel analysis of nearly 46,000 traffic stops has found.

Similarly, Milwaukee police pulled over Hispanic city motorists nearly five times as often as white drivers, according to the review, which took into account the number of licensed drivers by race.

Police also searched black drivers at twice the rate of whites, but those searches didn't lead to higher rates of seized weapons, drugs or stolen property.

The review found that the disparities spanned all seven police districts. The two with the greatest racial discrepancies - Districts 1 and 6 - have the lowest crime rates, and both have predominantly white populations.

The disparities found in Milwaukee are greater than other large metro police departments where traffic stop data is collected, including Charlotte, Kansas City, Raleigh and St. Louis.

In those jurisdictions, black drivers were stopped between 1.6 and 2.2 times as often as white drivers, according to 2010 data from North Carolina and Missouri. Hispanic drivers in those cities were between 0.7 and 1.2 times as likely to be stopped as whites, taking into account the overall driving-age population. Using that same measure, Milwaukee's disparities were 3.9 for blacks and 2.1 for Hispanics.

The Journal Sentinel's review is the first of its kind here. It is based on data from a since-repealed state law that required law enforcement agencies to collect detailed information on every traffic stop 

I know it is because they're DNA is inferior, but you know, we gotta cut them a break right?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:19 | 2177444 Disenchanted
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Iran(Persia), Israel, nukes, oil, gas, war and religious fusterclucks.

 

Isn't it ironic that Cyrus the Great, King of Persia once helped to restore Jerusalem?

 

See Ezra Chapter 1: http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/book.php?book=Ezra&chapter=1&verse=2

 

verse 2:

 

2Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which [is] in Judah.

 

Cyrus the Great also left a lasting legacy on the Jewish religion through his Edict of Restoration, where because of his policies in Babylonia, he is referred to by the people of the Jewish faith, as "the anointed of the Lord" or a "Messiah".[14][15]

 

and:

 

Josephus, the first century Jewish historian, relates the traditional view of of the Jews regarding the prediction of Cyrus in Isaiah in his Antiquities of the Jews, book 11, chapter 1:[90]


"In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they had served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that servitude seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity. And these things God did afford them; for he stirred up the mind of Cyrus, and made him write this throughout all Asia: "Thus saith Cyrus the king: Since God Almighty hath appointed me to be king of the habitable earth, I believe that he is that God which the nation of the Israelites worship; for indeed he foretold my name by the prophets, and that I should build him a house at Jerusalem, in the country of Judea." This was known to Cyrus by his reading the book which Isaiah left behind him of his prophecies; for this prophet said that God had spoken thus to him in a secret vision: "My will is, that Cyrus, whom I have appointed to be king over many and great nations, send back my people to their own land, and build my temple." This was foretold by Isaiah one hundred and forty years before the temple was demolished. Accordingly, when Cyrus read this, and admired the Divine power, an earnest desire and ambition seized upon him to fulfill what was so written; so he called for the most eminent Jews that were in Babylon, and said to them, that he gave them leave to go back to their own country, and to rebuild their city Jerusalem, and the temple of God, for that he would be their assistant, and that he would write to the rulers and governors that were in the neighborhood of their country of Judea, that they should contribute to them gold and silver for the building of the temple, and besides that, beasts for their sacrifices."


from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great

I've also read that Koresh is Hebrew for Cyrus(the Great)...now where have I heard that Koresh name before.

 

David Koresh & The Cuckoo's Egg

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/page/b_kce.html

 

quote from Cuckoo's Egg introduction:

 

Religious leaders influence the actions and opinions of many; they can help the state solidify its power, or can undermine that power.  Thus governments have a vital interest in monitoring religious leaders and their followers, and molding religious doctrines.

 

When priests, preachers, and prophets get too independent and their teachings go beyond what the state will tolerate, those leaders become enemies of the state.  It is then in the interests of the state to snuff them out.

 

It is possible that David Koresh may have been such a leader.  What was so controversial about Koresh's teachings?  Among other things, Koresh was teaching that Bible prophecies would be fulfilled in a land other than Israel.  He was teaching that a Savior would come from Iran.  He was teaching doctrines that paralleled the teachings of Mohammed.  In these things, David Koresh's theology must have been dangerous to certain vested interests.

 

From Vernon Wayne Howell/David Koresh Wiki entry:

 

The name Koresh is a transliteration of the Hebrew word for "belly". [9] It is also a transliteration of the Persian name of Cyrus (Modern Persian: ?????, Kurosh), the Persian king who allowed the Jews who had been dispersed throughout Babylonia by Nebuchadnezzar to return to their homelands.

 

Ain't this religious shit a bitch...bitchez? lol!

 

I hereby disclaim 'God' as my creator. That crazy, delusional Archon is interfering with my pursuit of happiness...not to mention costing me more shekels to fill my gas tank.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:59 | 2176941 Joseph Jones
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Just so we understand your hypocritical POV: Rabbis in the Talmud stating their genetic DNA makes them so smart that they argued with God and God lost so God no answers to the Rabbis, and all goyim (even the best) deserve only death...

That's not racist?

And the Rabbis telling Orthodox Judaic women, after measuring the red spot diameter on their panties, if they get pregnant on the wrong day, the women will die in child birth...

That's OK?

And Rabbis in your God forsaken NYC that forbid women from driving cars....

That's cool wit you, right? 

Now you can confirm your Rabbi sycophant status and type that the above are lies (which they aren't).

And everything in the universe is up for debate except we must send holocaust "deniers" to prison in Canada and 17 European nations....

That's all good, right? 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 03:09 | 2176949 Michael
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They should show them the fallout after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You don't want to go there.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 6 and 9th 1945

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HYEnjnu5RU

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:23 | 2177151 silverbullion
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@vast-dom You prove to be the only real racist and hater here. Your kind always make false accusations against the Aryan God, Jesus, and His followers, because you're father was a liar (telling Eve half truths, etc.) and a murderer (race mixing, Cain slaying Abel, etc.) from the beginning (John 8). Jesus is awakening His people to your kind's insanity and is going to help us to turn the world the right side up again.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:39 | 2177175 silverbullion
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I think you've got it mixed up... an "asshole wipe" cannot wipe itself "off the planet", but it can indeed wipe shit "off the planet". I thus choose to rather be an "asshole wipe" a million times than to be a piece of shit created by Lucifer/the Devil/the Diabolical One/Satan (or whatever you want to call him).

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:40 | 2176458 Tarheel
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wow, some real losers trolling ZH tonight!

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:39 | 2176593 vast-dom
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yeah the rascist trolls spewing hate tonight are out of control.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:43 | 2176723 Troll Magnet
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hey wise one, please explain to us racist trolls how jews became a race?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:50 | 2176933 Joseph Jones
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The Rabbi DNA is the good stuff. 

Yours and mine, not so much...

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:58 | 2176500 phungus_mungus
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You know, sadly I sometimes want it to happen. Just so all those Amrageddon, Bibblical end times types would see that the end of the world isn't going to happen if Israel is destroyed... 

We all know the world can't end until Golman Sachs says it can! 

 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 02:46 | 2176928 Joseph Jones
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Promises, promises...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 10:08 | 2177256 pazmaker
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..and you are naive enought to think that will solve all the worlds problems?

 

My only regret is that I wasted the time to respond to you.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:38 | 2176245 Yen Cross
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My Expedition has wings on it, and I'll hunt my ( own), food thank you.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:38 | 2176246 LeBalance
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oh oh oh you gonna eat that Alpo out of a Ghengis Can?  Or is it Steel? \no resistance 2 humor\

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:40 | 2176253 SHEEPFUKKER
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Fuck really? Another oil war? Exactly how has that been going lately Freedom Fighters?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:33 | 2176306 vast-dom
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 oil should have never left the $112 trading range, but now that we cross $105 we are getting into very interesting movements, with the greek deal almost solved (/sarc off) and of course japan markets soaring as i type this and fully healed and healthy, fukishima and national cancer and birth defects rates notwithstanding (/sarc off). 

 

So...FuckYouSheMa ChinaPeePeeSinkhole Shithole to the USO.....and we.....party like it was crude $150/barrel....

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:41 | 2176463 Zero Bid
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why is this even a discussion, oil price shocks are just transitory

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:13 | 2176539 CrashisOptimistic
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Transitory events.  Oil was $18/barrel in 2002.  Now it's $105.

Some transitory events only last 10 years.

Oil won't be too valuable to the 30,000 people remaining alive in the US in about 20 years.  All the tires will be flat and the spark plugs corroded.  A discovered gallon of old gasoline probably will be so defractionated by then that it won't even burn.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:02 | 2177588 DaveyJones
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yes, but at least Mel Gibson will be dead

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:05 | 2178180 Matt
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Why do you think Mel will be dead? He has his own 5,000 acre tropical island in the US Virgin Islands. A lot of actors seem to be quite prepared for collapse by owning their own islands with arable land.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:11 | 2176167 knukles
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Oil is up because the strong American recovery is leading the rest of the world to a new sunrise of freedom and prosperity.

Beware of Greeks bearing amyl nitrite

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:19 | 2176193 LetThemEatRand
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The sun is in the East, even though the day is done....

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:14 | 2176372 CrashisOptimistic
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Oil is up, Rufus, for the very best of reasons.

The world burns it faster than it comes out of the ground.

Sometimes Occam's Razor is all you need.  In fact, most of the time Occam's Razor is all you need.

China buys 26 million new cars a year and not a damn one of them is electric.  The world burns oil more and more and more fast and it isn't coming out of the ground more and more and more fast.

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:23 | 2176406 LetThemEatRand
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The rusty wire that holds the cork, that keeps the anger in....

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:53 | 2176488 bonderøven-farm ass
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Ex Oriente lux; ex Occidente frux


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:30 | 2177474 General Decline
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Two suns in the sunset - Pink Floyd

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 20:51 | 2176278 johnnynaps
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Correct! $5 a gallon gas and big rigs sit and don't deliver goods, people with maxed CRedit cards don't drive and employees with long commutes call out sick to save on gas. OMG, this shit is BULLISH! Dow 14,000 within the month! The recovery is here bitchez!!

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:04 | 2176331 RichardP
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Dow 14,000 within the month!

Not until October.  Don't want to peak too soon.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:53 | 2176620 EvlTheCat
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Give a guy a break.  Premature DOWjaculation euphoria from recovery optimism is expected.. Take two one oz Au coins, rub them on your balls and call Helicopter Ben in the morning!

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:20 | 2176392 CrashisOptimistic
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All I can say is that with India and China stepping up to buy Iranian crude, it's pretty hard to make a case for Iran being desperate.  In fact, they may chuckle now and then, or if they're smart, just keep inviting inspectors in and changing nothing at all.

Point being, with them under zero pressure and feeling no desperation at all, Obammy is going to be very hard pressed to manufacture a pretext for the dog wag.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:32 | 2176428 Jack Burton
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Israel will wag the dog, America is then obligated by treaty to step in and defend Israel even if Israel started the war without any legal basis of self defense or UN sanctioned self defense.

In short, America is not the decider in the coming war on Iran, Israel is the decider. They know that they have a free hand to act and if Iran reacts to Israeli airstrikes then the US military in all it's forms will defend Israel.

That means our kids and our tax dollars. If this sits well with you, then do not complain about the costs in lives or dollars. Israel calls the shots, anyone who denies that fact is in an alternate reality divorced from the facts.

Israel does not want to strike because they feel certain Iran can hit back, otherwise Israel would already have hit Iran hard. They need US anti missile systems to defend their airspace and USN carrier airgroups to up the strength of the air campaign.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:45 | 2176476 Everybodys All ...
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Please. Only if you have a half a sissy for a president. Which we do right now.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 21:50 | 2176481 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Are you 12?

Or just don't use gas.

Yea your kids and tax dollars are going to wherever to save Israel.

Yea Israel is really calling the shots.

Down with those EVIL ZIONISTAS!

 

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 22:44 | 2176601 BrocilyBeef
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Crawl back into the hole you just crawled out of. You add nothing of value here.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 23:51 | 2176738 Troll Magnet
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i despise china but damn. i almost wish israel would attack iran so that the chicoms can send their billion strong in aid of iran.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 09:52 | 2177194 Element
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Don't fret, it will be back on duty at a Shin-Bet torture chamber in a few hours.

 

It's all good.

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