Syrian Showdown: Trump Versus The Generals

Authored by Patrick Buchanan via,

With ISIS on the run in Syria, President Trump this week declared that he intends to make good on his promise to bring the troops home.

“I want to get out. I want to bring our troops back home,” said the president. We’ve gotten “nothing out of the $7 trillion (spent) in the Middle East in the last 17 years. … So, it’s time.”

Not so fast, Mr. President.

For even as Trump was speaking he was being contradicted by his Centcom commander Gen. Joseph Votel.

“A lot of good progress has been made” in Syria, Votel conceded, “but the hard part … is in front of us.”

Moreover, added Votel, when we defeat ISIS, we must stabilize Syria and see to its reconstruction.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson had been even more specific:

“It is crucial to our national defense to maintain a military and diplomatic presence in Syria, to help bring an end to that conflict, as they chart a course to achieve a new political future.”

But has not Syria’s “political future” already been charted?

Bashar Assad, backed by Iran and Russia, has won his seven-year civil war. He has retaken the rebel stronghold of Eastern Ghouta near Damascus. He now controls most of the country that we and the Kurds do not.

According to The Washington Post, Defense Secretary James Mattis is also not on board with Trump and “has repeatedly said … that U.S. troops would be staying in Syria for the foreseeable future to guarantee stability and political resolution to the civil war.”

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, who fears a “Shiite corridor” from Tehran to Baghdad, Damascus and Beirut, also opposes Trump. “If you take those (U.S.) troops out from east Syria,” the prince told Time, “you will lose that checkpoint … American troops should stay (in Syria) at least for the mid-term, if not the long-term.”

Bibi Netanyahu also wants us to stay in Syria.

Wednesday, Trump acceded to his generals. He agreed to leave our troops in Syria until ISIS is finished. However, as the 2,000 U.S. troops there are not now engaging ISIS — many of our Kurd allies are going back north to defend border towns threatened by Turkey — this could take a while.

Yet a showdown is coming. And, stated starkly, the divide is this:

Trump sees al-Qaida and ISIS as the real enemy and is prepared to pull all U.S. forces out of Syria as soon as the caliphate is eradicated. And if Assad is in power then, backed by Russia and Iran, so be it.

Trump does not see an Assad-ruled Syria, which has existed since the Nixon presidency, as a great threat to the United States. He is unwilling to spill more American blood to overturn the outcome of a war that Syria, Iran and Russia have already won. Nor is he prepared to foot the bill for the reconstruction of Syria, or for any long-term occupation of that quadrant of Syria that we and our allies now hold.

Once ISIS is defeated, Trump wants out of the war and out of Syria.

The Israelis, Saudis and most of our foreign policy elite, however, vehemently disagree. They want the U.S. to hold onto that slice of Syria east of the Euphrates that we now occupy, and to use the leverage of our troops on Syrian soil to effect the removal of President Assad and the expulsion of the Iranians.

The War Party does not concede Syria is lost. It sees the real battle as dead ahead. It is eager to confront and, if need be, fight Syrians, Iranians and Shiite militias should they cross to the east bank of the Euphrates, as they did weeks ago, when U.S. artillery and air power slaughtered them in the hundreds, Russians included.

If U.S. troops do remain in Syria, the probability is high that Trump, like Presidents Bush and Obama before him, will be ensnared indefinitely in the Forever War of the Middle East.

President Erdogan of Turkey, who has seized Afrin from the Syrian Kurds, is threatening to move on Manbij, where Kurdish troops are backed by U.S. troops. If Erdogan does not back away from his threat, NATO allies could start shooting at one another.

As the 2,000 U.S. troops in Syria are both uninvited and unwelcome, a triumphant Assad is likely soon to demand that we remove them from his country.

Will we defy President Assad then, with the possibility U.S. planes and troops could be engaging Syrians, Russians, Iranians and Shiite militias, in a country where we have no right to be?

Trump is being denounced as an isolationist. But what gains have we reaped from 17 years of Middle East wars - from Afghanistan to Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen - to justify all the blood shed and the treasure lost?

And how has our great rival China suffered from not having fought in any of these wars?


MK ULTRA Alpha DeadFred Sat, 04/07/2018 - 05:14 Permalink

There is 3 billion barrels of oil beneath the Golan. Why doesn't Jew TV tell this to the American people?

So American kids in Israel are to die for Israel stealing Golan oil which belongs to Syria.

No mention of 2500 US kids and the Iwo Jima helicopter carrier, Israel Command and a new US Army base in Israel. Does Trump know? He's a proven television mind.

Now we realize Trump was a pimp for topless clubs, a want to be gambling casino gangster, the slum lord story is true and a manipulator of debt and banks for his hotels. He's a con man, and Pence, is a Zionut. This is just as bad as Clinton.

Jews driving us to war with Russia, no logical reasoning in that. The Trump dog is learning he better do what the Jews tell him.

We were conned bad in the tax cut by two Jews who were right in the middle of the Bush II TARP bank robbery. One gone, the other controls the treasury.

We have psychotic marines who have never had this much power going to war all over the world. We're dirt broke, but they could careless.

I thought we would have a businessman reform the pentagon. I thought no more wars for Israel. I thought the 17 intelligence agencies and their 200,000 contract mercenaries would be reformed and streamlined. I though the federal government would be purged of around 500,000 to pay for the sins of the government.

All I see is Jews crawling all over the white house and generals who's loyalty is Israel over America are in command of it all trying desperately to start a war with Russia and China. A nuclear war mind you!

I saw a US Air Force general in Israel,  relinquish his command to an Israeli general in a crazed speech.

We though the national debt was a priority, but all I see is secret plans to abolish social security to steal the $2.5 trillion in treasuries. Key Jews have said this, thus I paid in all my life and my money will be stolen.

I saw a tax cut given to a middle class which has been ripped every tens years for the last three decades, around $2000. The 600 billionaires, half Jews got a tax cut and the businesses they own got a tremendous tax cut which will end up in their hands anyway.

We've been ripped, torn, thrown under the bus and the bus was driven back and forth until we all have tire marks front and back.

When this market crashes and we're bled kosher, this will be the last time.

The Jews control both sides of congress, thus they control the outcome.

This is hell on Earth, this is a shit hole, it would be merciful if Russia who they are trying to kill launched a massive FIRST STRIKE, because that's the only way we will get justice.

Clinton and her Jews would have been worse, but this is headed in the same direction.(no word on Clinton Foundation money, and other crimes)

The Jews are not these perfect, good people of the Bible. Look what they have done to us.

Judgement Day is here, but the Jews don't care, they worship death. They will die for their god, a snake. These are ancient species of gypsies.

Thanks Pat for the memories. And Pat, I promise there is no hell, your soul will either go to God or dissipate. I wish the Pope would open the secret library, it would show there are no Jews in the Bible, but it would be the end or hurt the Catholic church.

And Pat, I've known you for a long time, a little word of advise, get a gun and hide it out in the woods. It's not for new America, because America died a long time ago, it's to survive the hell on Earth which the Jews created for us. That will be the hell you believe in.  

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PrivetHedge MK ULTRA Alpha Sat, 04/07/2018 - 06:09 Permalink

"The Jews are not these perfect, good people of the Bible."

True in actual fact they are the BAD people of the bible, the pharisees. That big occult hexagram on their flag celebrating the goat headed go Remphan is a big giveaway, as is the Talmud of course.…

The Orthodox Iewes are however a pretty good bunch of people as the Torah includes the Ten Commandments that they live by.

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sarz PrivetHedge Sat, 04/07/2018 - 06:23 Permalink

The Orthodox Jews are as ugly as they come, except maybe for a tiny sliver called Neturei Karta. The so-called Torah is not just the ten commandments. It's a whole bunch of genocidal stuff in places like Deuteronomy and Isaiah, with the big one in the sky commanding the chosen to leave not a thing that breathes alive in the cities they conquer. The farther Judaism gets from the public eye, the more satanic. 

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MK ULTRA Alpha PrivetHedge Sat, 04/07/2018 - 06:26 Permalink

There were no Jews in the Bible.

When you have a chance, go through your pantry, look at cans and other products, a circle with a U mean Union of Orthodox Rabbis, or a K.

This is an extortion racket to tax the food we eat. It's about $200 per year for a family of four. Even the trucking firms must pay.

I have talked to many of them, and know them real well and what they think, your definition and perception of reality is programmed into your mind.

What you say is not true.

I have tracked them to the beginning of man's time.

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MK ULTRA Alpha MK ULTRA Alpha Sat, 04/07/2018 - 06:20 Permalink

And Pat, I don't know if it's accurate, hardly anything the government tells us is accurate, but the debt seems to have grown $1.2 trillion since the last time I looked.

What does that mean to me Pat? It means America is a lost cause, we're slaves of a people only interested in killing. While you railed against Mexicans, who as a whole are better than the Hispanics who are multi-generational Americans, your focus neglected the Jews and what they were doing to us.

I wrote about it once on your web site, but I was censored in seconds. I've been censored all over the web, Why? why am I always reminded I am a slave, not a free man?

Why am I told what I can and can't say?

And Pat, if the Jews are so good, why did they sneak all the martial law, electronic control grid, the dismantle of our constitution and bill of rights, secret authorization for wars for Israel and the Zionist global domination plan in to the annual National Defense Authorization Act NDAA. And Pat why do our generals and admirals grovel at the feet of Jews and their neocon dogs to prove Israel over America for rank? Could it be, the military is a mercenary force.

Pat the URL below is of an age of a different army, we believed in America, and the money was nothing. The man is my first section chief. Both he and the commander were real special soldiers.

He was a door gunner in Vietnam, when you stood with Nixon. He and the commander were in Vietnam, Captain Hickok was the finest combat officer a soldier could have. The man in the photo taught me to be a soldier in a more dangerous age (of which has been recreated today, when it didn't need to be)

They didn't do it for money, none of us did. If these soldiers didn't train me so well, I would have been killed on my second tour of duty in Korea. A North Korean soldier shot at the new Lt.,(a newbie with zero experience), the bullet went right by my face. See it was the interval of the combat patrol that saved me. I can still remember in Korea 1976 Invasion Year, my first combat patrol, "You're going to get us killed, don't bunch up.".

My section chief died of Agent Orange and he didn't even know it. I talked to his wife about his last days, I have the same thing, it was used in Vietnam and Korea on the DMZ.

Pat can you tell me why everything with the government is so messed up. The VA helps honorable under general conditions and bad conduct discharges, treatment and compensation. But when I go into the office of a Jew, they attacked me, many times. I figured it out, I have honor, three honorable discharges, never mind MK ULTRA. (that's a story in itself, maybe you can get the CIA to release my file, since you live in DC.)

If a veteran can be provoked to attack, then the silent alarm is sounded, VA police rush in, and the VA employee gets time off and compensation. Jews have beaten the honor out of America, but Pat, I was brainwashed by the Church and media these people are so good, that they were chosen by God.

Pat something bad is wrong and I now know what it is. Pat would you stand and fight something so horrible when you realize all the years of research proves beyond a doubt, these people we call Jews never were in our Bible and they're the most sophisticated killing species in the history of man?

So Pat, you doubted the Pope's definition of Hell, it's true, because the CIA MK ULTRA training allowed me to see. But your definition of hell is right here for over 50% of the America people. We see, all of our rights are taken, our children are sent to wars for Israel, only to suffer from some kind of horror and pain, the economy is roiled over and over until we are broken down to nothing, businesses lost, jobs lost, over a million in wealth taken, and all the money ended up in hands of these people who call themselves Jews. Now we find, what we were forced to pay into for around 50 years as a safeguard for old age will be stolen by these people who call themselves the Jews. Another broken promise to appease the Jews.

Pat the heat of hell on Earth will come real close to you next, you best get ready, it's going to be much worse. Thanks to your Jews, you never ever write about.

Are you afraid to tell the truth about what the Jews have done to us, or are you still brainwashed, because many can see?

 Don't worry about the Pope's definition of Hell, because this time you're going to feel the heat of hell. And waking up then will be too late.

"You're going to get us killed. Don't bunch up."

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Bravo Two Zero DeadFred Sat, 04/07/2018 - 09:41 Permalink

Actually that is a great point and you get "The Most Underrated Post of the Day." 1+ Internet to you, good sir.

WaPo=CIA Mouthpiece=Same bastards who wrote the 1986 "BRINGING REAL MUSCLE TO BEAR" memo advocating for regime change.

Back then is was for oil pipelines. Now they added an opportunity to poke at Russia's underbelly with a MB-gov't and and spark a a REAL war.

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silver140 cheka Fri, 04/06/2018 - 21:55 Permalink

The real reason for the "Russiagate" and Mueller and the rest of the deep state coup against Trump is that he seems to genuinely be against US MIC in the ME. If he's now up against the generals, and he doesn't fire them, then he's been given an offer he can't refuse and we'll see war, because Russia- in Syria- ain't going to back down at this point. If there's an attack again against Russians in Syria, they have said that they will target wherever the attack comes from,,,so at first we're looking at US ships and airbases, if then the US responds with attacks on Russian territory, well,, Russia's response will definitely eradicate NY real estate values, let alone the rest of the planets' real estate and its viability as a home for humans.

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Government nee… Juggernaut x2 Sat, 04/07/2018 - 09:24 Permalink

The externalities/negative feedback loops associated with US MIC perma-war represent a clear and present danger to American liberty and fiscal/monetary stability.    At least Viking raids, and later privateering/colonialism were measured in large part by tangible net treasure obtained.  Today's warborg is fuelled/funded by fiatbux and campaign contributions from international stakeholders/corpocrisy.  US citizens have little to no control over that spending.  The tyranny feedback loop is increasingly problematic.  From MRAPs to M-4s to grenade launchers to explosives, the MIC war weaponry is being given FOR FREE to local police departments.  These tools, just like the 'Ginnerals' who operate them, represent hammers in search of nails.  Guess what Joe Sixpack?  You're gonna get nailed.

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SheHunter silver140 Sat, 04/07/2018 - 01:06 Permalink

This may be the largest test of Trump to date.  If he stands firm on his statement to leave Syria...he wins back my support, and I wager the support of many, many others who voted for and then abandoned him.  Guess I'll send another email to his presidential address.  It will be the 47th. Wonder if anyone ever reads those things...maybe best not to know.

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sarz SheHunter Sat, 04/07/2018 - 06:49 Permalink

If you're emailing him here's a link you might want to include:…

The last pocket of ISIS, including McCain's dear friend the supposed big one, Baghdadi, is snuggled up with the American forces in Northeast Syria. If Trump wants to finish ISIS and come home, there's no way it needs six months. He could get it done in two days. If Mattis won't do it, let him find someone who will. 

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Conscious Reviver UnpatrioticHoarder Sat, 04/07/2018 - 09:09 Permalink

I agree with what you are saying. The thing is, there was no Shia Corridor while Sadam Husein was alive and running Iraq. Then Zionist NeoCons,  prominent among them John Bolton, insisted that Sadam had to go.

They must have seen this coming? Maybe they're crazy and it's all about the blood lust?  

Which reminds me, Bolton has Cheney's old job. Cheney ran 9/11. To convince a jaded public, we are gonna need an even more spectacular FF. That's Bolton's job. It takes a mad man. That's why Trump picked him. Bolton's going to run the next one. 

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PrivetHedge Lost in translation Sat, 04/07/2018 - 06:11 Permalink

As you are lost here's some history for you:

Rabbi Louis Finkelstein stated in his book “The Pharisees, The Sociological Background of Their Faith” that, “Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes in name . . . the spirit of the ancient Pharisees survives, unaltered . . . From Palestine to Babylonia; from Babylonia to North Africa, Italy, Spain, France and Germany; from these to Poland, Russia, and eastern Europe generally, ancient Pharisaism has wandered . . . demonstrates the enduring importance which attaches to Pharisaism as a religious movement . . .”…

Perhaps you can read it with your spam-buddy zerospam?

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Brazen Heist Mustafa Kemal Fri, 04/06/2018 - 21:11 Permalink

Bad losers are in charge, that's why. They are obsessed with losing pointless meandering "wars" to nowhere like a girl clinches onto her first love, who rode off into the sunset aeons ago.

What the fuck does "winning" in Syria mean to these generals? They are cornered from all sides, uninvited into the country and using ISIS remnants as pawns.

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CatInTheHat Brazen Heist Fri, 04/06/2018 - 21:31 Permalink

Because East of the Euphrates sits Syrian oil fields that Genie energy is plundering at the moment. That's why the Russians and Syrian soldiers were brutally attacked. Putin has to have the patience of a patron saint.

Syria cannot truly rebuild until JUSA stops occupying it's oil wealth 

And now you know who our Generals work for and why they want regime change. 

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