House Overwhelmingly Passes Veto-Proof Russia Sanctions Deal

Setting up a showdown not between the US and Russia as some hope, but between Washington and the EU which has emerged as the most vocal opponent of ongoing, unilateral anti-Russian escalation by the US vowing swift retaliation, moments ago the U.S. House passed bipartisan legislation codifying and imposing further sanctions on Russia, Iran and North Korea, and preventing the president from acting unilaterally to remove certain sanctions on Russia. Just three Republicans - Reps. Justin Amash (Mich.), Jimmy Duncan (Tenn.) and Thomas Massie (Ky.) - voted against the bill, which passed 419-3.

More importantly, the measure also bars U.S. companies from investing in energy projects in which Russian companies have at least a 33% stake, and may penalize European companies that colaborate with Russian companies on energy projects, the source of Europe's recent fury.

Here are the main details of the draft legislation:

  • Codifies existing US sanctions on Russia and requires Congressional review before they are lifted.
  • Reduces from 30 days to 14 days the maximum allowed maturity for new debt and new extensions of credit to the state controlled financial institutions targeted under the sectoral sanctions.
  • Reduces from 90 days to 60 days the maximum allowed maturity for new debt and new extensions of credit to sectoral sanctions targets in the energy sector, although this largely only brings US sanctions in line with existing EU sanctions, which already impose a 30-day maximum for most energy companies.
  • Expands the existing Executive Order authorising sectoral sanctions to include additional sectors of the Russian economy: railways and metals and mining.
  • Requires sanctions on any person found to have invested $10 million or more, or facilitated such an investment, in the privatisation of Russian state-owned assets if they have “actual knowledge” that the privatisation “unjustly benefits” Russian government officials or their close associates or family members.
  • Authorises (but does not require) sanctions “in coordination with allies” on any person found to have knowingly made an investment of $1 million or more (or $5 million or more in any 12-month period), or knowingly provided goods or services of the same value, for construction, modernisation, or repair of Russia’s energy export pipelines.
  • Orders the treasury, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, to prepare detailed reports within the next 180 days:
    • on Russia’s oligarchs and parastatal companies including individual oligarchs' closeness to the Russian state, their involvement in corrupt activities and the potential impact of expanding sanctions with respect to Russian oligarchs, Russian state-owned enterprises, and Russian parastatal entities, including impacts on the entities themselves and on the economy of the Russian Federation, as well as the exposure of key US economic sectors to these entities.
    • on the impact of debt- and equity-related sanctions being extended to include sovereign debt and the full range of derivative products.

According to Goldman, the most important impact would be that the bill codifies existing sanctions. Both the Obama administration and the Trump administration have argued that this restricts the President’s ability to negotiate a settlement of the Ukrainian conflict, as lifting codified sanctions has proven very difficult in the past.  The bill also asks the treasury to prepare a report in the next six months on the potential impact of expanding debt-related sanctions to include sovereign debt, as well as the potential impact of expanding sanctions to some oligarchs found to be close to the state and parastatal companies. This could be interpreted to suggest that sovereign debt will be added to the sanctions framework once the report has been prepared.

The potentially most controversial and impactful part of the sanctions bill concerns the potential inclusion of Russia’s gas and gas pipeline sector. However, at this stage the text only provides for sanctions imposed in consultation with US allies. As we have described in recent days, there is no appetite across most of Europe to contemplate such an extension.

But more than anything, however, Tuesday’s vote amounted to a rebuke of President Trump, whose administration had pushed to water down the bill’s provisions giving Congress the power to veto the lifting of sanctions.

“This strong oversight is necessary. It is appropriate. After all, it is Congress that the Constitution empowers to regulate commerce with foreign nations,” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce (R-Calif.) said, quoted by The Hill.

Ironically, with The House scheduled to depart Washington for the August recess at the end of this week, the latest anti-Russia sanctions package will likely be its biggest legislative accomplishment to date. The GOP-controlled Congress has not been able to send bills fulfilling any of Trump's campaign pledges, such as repealing the healthcare law and reforming the tax code to Trump's desk thus far. However, when it comes to Russia, the laughing stock that is a Republican-controlled Congress has always managed "to come out on top."  As such, its biggest victory heading into the summer recess is the measure constraining the president amid investigations into whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government to sway the 2016 election.

Making matters even more complicated for the Trump administration, which urged lawmakers to ensure the president have flexibility to adjust sanctions policy, the House passed the bill with a veto-proof majority meaning Trump has no choice but to accept it.

In recent days, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders offered mixed messages in recent days.  On Sunday, Sanders told ABC’s “This Week” that the administration supports the bill. But on Monday, she told reporters on Air Force One that Trump is “going to study that legislation” before making a final decision.

In addition to binding Trump, the bill establishes new sanctions on Iran and North Korea, in addition to Russia.  White House had lobbied against the Senate-passed measure, arguing it needed flexibility to adjust economic sanctions against Moscow.

Under the House bill, existing sanctions on Russia for its aggression in Ukraine and interference in the 2016 election would be codified into law. New sanctions would go into effect against Iran for its ballistic missile development, while North Korea’s shipping industry and people who use slave labor would be targeted amid the isolated nation’s efforts to launch an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

The sanctions legislation has been stalled in the House since the Senate passed the legislation by a 98-2 vote last month. The first snag came from House lawmakers who noted that the Senate bill violated the constitutional requirement that all revenue-raising measures originate in the lower chamber.  After the Senate approved changes to address the constitutional issue, House Democrats then objected to a provision requested by GOP leaders that prevented them from forcing votes to block Trump from lifting sanctions.


A compromise reached over the weekend by House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) and House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) ensures that any House member can force a vote on a resolution of disapproval to block sanctions relief that has already passed in the Senate.


It also allows either the House majority or minority leaders to introduce a resolution of disapproval.

Meanwhile, the complaints emerged, and not just from Europe: oil and gas companies raised concerns about provisions limiting the extent to which American and Russian energy companies could interact. Those companies warned that provisions banning American investments supporting the maintenance or construction of Russian pipelines could inadvertently prevent U.S. development near Russian sites.

In an effort to address those concerns, the latest version of the bill clarifies that only Russian energy export pipelines can be sanctioned, something which will not help as Brussels contemplates how to retaliate. It also establishes that the ban on U.S. investments in deepwater, shale or Arctic offshore projects applies only if there are Russian entities with an ownership interest of at least 33 percent.

“In the process of making Russia pay an economic cost for their bad behavior, we must ensure we are not harming U.S. interests at home and abroad,” warned House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul (R-Texas). 


Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee is supportive of the sanctions package, but expressed concern that it might not have a smooth path to passage in the Senate.


“It seems we may be on the floor before we ironed out all our differences with the other body,” Engel said, citing the late addition of North Korea sanctions. “I hope we don’t face further delays when this bill gets back to the other house.”

And now we wait to see how Europe, which over the weekend vowed to "retaliate within days" should the legislation pass, will respond. And, of course, how long until Russia expels some 30 US diplomats now that it is abundantly clear the US won't return the seized Russian diplomatic compounds as Putin has been demanding in recent weeks.


JohninMK TBT or not TBT Tue, 07/25/2017 - 18:29 Permalink

Wow, does Congress really understand the deep significance of what they have just done?The strategic objective of restraining Russia has always been Washington's and the European vassal states have always had to go along with it due to financial and political/personal blackmail pressure. Generally, especially in the golden years post the wall going down and the USSR breakup this had no real cost to Europe, indeed the opposite as fortunes were made. However, as time went on and Putin came to power and started to reign in Western Banksters/Russian oligarchs the atmosphere changed and Washington started exert its authority. This culminated in the operation in Ukraine and the subsequent sanctions. Whilst the US imposed sanctions had some effect in Europe the counter sanctions by Russia hit European agriculture really hard. So, whilst the US was barely affected Europe bore the brunt, just what would be expected in a Master/vassal relationship. However, up to now the US has been able to hide behind 'its not our sanctions hitting you, its those of the evil Russians' but now that is changing. The move by Congress brings right out into the open the status of the relationship and they are clearly demonstrating that it is not one of equals. I suspect that the members of Congress have no real idea of the impact of what they are proposing, to many of them there is little of importance to them personally beyond getting re-election funds in and beyond the beaches of their east and west coasts. For the first time the US is saying explicitly and publicly to the World that its most important allies really are subservient to it. If they do not kowtow and follow these commands, which run counter to those allies best interests, then they will be punished.This is mind blowing stuff. There are many events that are outside the US's control that could hasten the fall of the US $ Empire but to shoot themselves in the foot like this just shows the quality of politicians there are in the US. The key control/monitoring system the US has, apart from NSA, is SWIFT. I would suggest that the number of enquiries being handled by the Russian/Chinese NOTSWIFT analogue has just gone off the scale.

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chumbawamba Perimetr Tue, 07/25/2017 - 19:27 Permalink

If I were Putin I'd expel every last US diplofag from Russia, then bulldoze the US embassy and build a tribute to the Russian people on its soil.I love how these assclowns are shooting themselves in the foot and bringing us one day closer to when we'll witness the glorious sight of congressfags and senators hanging from every lamppost in DC in the wake of a failed state.I am Chumbawamba.

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Manthong Déjà view Tue, 07/25/2017 - 22:29 Permalink

  I think I figured it out. The Congress is usually focused on accepting bribes from lobbyists, corporations, wealthy individuals and milking the US public for all they are worth.  And most of them do not know jack shit about how the world really works except for what they see on the paid foreign vacations they call “junkets” for something like “visit to the coast of Southern Spain to explore economic opportunities”. They rely on staffers to get guidance from internal US sources (i.e., lobbyists and THE DEEP STATE) and then tell the congress cattle what to do, In other words, Congress is no better than a very well-fed and fattened herd of cattle. That’s how we got the sanctions vote today. The problem is that at this late stage of the cattle drive we are all going to end up at the slaughterhouse with them soon. 

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jeff montanye Oliver Klozoff Tue, 07/25/2017 - 23:23 Permalink

is your first name(s) eton, ripon, darren or n. tyson?  and why does the avatar look male?sanctions are a stupid way of doing war or diplomacy plus russia and iran don't deserve them and north korea's leadership will just be strengthened and have a foreign devil to cite for the people's misery.  trade and aid not loan or drone.the one exception might be israel but i think not even then.  private boycotts, etc. are fine though.

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doctor10 Blue Balls (not verified) Tue, 07/25/2017 - 21:21 Permalink

ObamaCare is a FAR FAR FAR bigger problem for We the People than the psychowarpuppies Russian fantasys.

The real Crime here is that OUR Congress saw fit to come together over this effin' NONSENSE and has yet to find their ass with both hands about the ObamaCare Repeal which 80% of the country expects and requires.

This is BS beyond BS. Not 5 in 100 Americans could give a shit about Russia

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Stinkworx doctor10 Wed, 07/26/2017 - 00:13 Permalink

Maybe you're missing the big picture? Do you think Congress really give a Fuck about you, your family and your health care? C'mon!Russia provides them all with the War that they believe the country needs to wipe their debt, keep the Military industrial wheels turning AND they think eventually, they'll take over all of Russia's oil and gas.It won't happen that way, we all know that but these fuckers know that if they run the country the way we all expect them to the whole ediface is gonna crumble and they'll be hangin from a Washington light pole somewhere

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Moustache Rides jeff montanye Fri, 07/28/2017 - 15:13 Permalink

Except the government will be in total control over which medical procedures you "need" and which you don't.  It is not the best way to go.  The best way is the free market.  Let them compete.  Lasik used to cost $10,000 per eye.  Now, due to it being allowed to compete under free market forces, the cost is far, far lower.  Singler payer is total government control of healthcare.  Screw that!

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Winston Churchill JohninMK Tue, 07/25/2017 - 18:41 Permalink

Exactly why that analogue has been quietly waiting in the wings.If they wanted to hasten the fall they could not have done better.In times past such measure only came as a declaration of war,Russia will see it so now even thoughthe sanctions have helped them in some ways uptil now.Its also a indirect attack on the EU, and could be seen as the start of a scorched earth retreat.Countries have interests not allies, never forget that.Aliances and new alliances are triggered by such stupidity.

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JohninMK Winston Churchill Tue, 07/25/2017 - 19:12 Permalink

This is much more significant in World politics than the subject, sanctions.The Europeans are a proud lot, been around longer than the US. Quite how they are going to react to a bunch of US politicians telling them with maximum publicity, not in the normal back room with a bit of blackmail on the table, to bend over and take it will be interesting to see. If they do how will they be able to look the Russians or Chinese straight in the eye again?Is Congress so proud of the way, since the Ukraine fiasco, that they have driven the Russians and Chinese into a closer partnership that they now want to encourage the EU to join that partnership?This virtually ensures that Tillerson is history, how can he do his job under these conditions? Any possible agreement with Russia will have to run the Congress gauntlet. The new top phrase of a US diplomat "I'll have to come back to you on that".As to Iran, do they have any conception of the logistics involved?This is not good. 

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Shemp 4 Victory JohninMK Tue, 07/25/2017 - 21:33 Permalink


This is much more significant in World politics than the subject, sanctions.

The arrogant Vichy DC obsession with sanctions, "sending messages", and brute force "diplomacy" will have the long-term effect of rendering the US a shunned nation and a global non-entity. We will end up more isolated than North Korea.The petrodollar is a dead man walking.

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Killdo Shemp 4 Victory Wed, 07/26/2017 - 00:19 Permalink

they don't even work - I remember sanctions Uncle Satan imposed on Yugoslavia - many companies and countries completely ignored these sanction. in the high school my cousins went to in Belgrade, a bunch of students figured out a way to order sstuff online and use credit card numbers they generated with an algo they invented. They shared this data widely. It worked very well. Somehow parcels were being sent either to Switzerland first or Greece - and these 2 postal systems forwarded them to Belgrade. A friend of mine ordered a huge piano and many other things. He did not pay for any of these things worth thousands of USD. he got a huge box of underwear that shines in the dark (to use as a freaky birthday present to our friends) , And the owner of the American company (after he realised he was screwed by a bunch of highschool kids sent him a message saying: may your ass shine in hell. 

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silvermail JohninMK Tue, 07/25/2017 - 19:36 Permalink

There is nothing surprising in that the US sanctions are in fact directed against Europe,but not against Russia.Goods are energy, which, with the help of labor and reason, has been transformed into one or another commodity form.This means that without cheap energy, Europe will not have the opportunity to produce competitive goods.BINGO! USA does not need competitors, within the framework of the program, for the revival and return of commodity production, to the territory of the USA!You will be surprised even more when you see an Islamic state in Saudi Arabia, in Qatar and in the United Arab Emirates.But you'll see it very soon.BINGO! USA does not need competitors, in the framework of the program, to create a US monopoly, in the world market of oil and gas trade!

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Hernando98 JohninMK Tue, 07/25/2017 - 20:53 Permalink

Something else they're trying to pass..."...The Boycott, Sanctions and Divestment Movement is under attack; this time by US lawmakers. The movement seeks to raise global awareness about the racist policies of the Israeli regime and discourage companies from doing business with the occupiers of Palestinian lands. But now US lawmakers are trying to outlaw the movement: A group of Senators are preparing a bill that would penalize any American who supports the movement: a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison. The bill is said to have been drafted with the assistance of American Israel Public Affairs Committee or AIPAC. A similar bill has also been introduced in the House and so far it has garnered the support of over 230 representatives..."Link:…

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Killdo JohninMK Wed, 07/26/2017 - 00:03 Permalink

" and beyond the beaches of their east and west coasts."this reminds me of Jane Herman (CA congresswoman) - she has 2 houses over 3 adjecent pieces of land in Venice Beach about a block away from where I used to live. She never lived there but I could see her maybe once ever 2 months. She built one house first - then another one next to it. She would be sunbathing on the balcony looking all wrinkly and old - and you coudl see her husband as far away from her as possible at the end of  the other house looking angry/unhappy and reading newspapers - it was always fun to see how misserable and not in love rich people can be. They looked as if they coudl not stand each other

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francis scott … JohninMK Wed, 07/26/2017 - 01:00 Permalink

"There are wheels within wheels ... and fires within fires!"

I recently came to believe that there has been a kerfuffle going on in the Deep State between the'Hawks and the Doves'.  I know that many of you will find it hard to believe that discord existsin the Ultimate Powerhouse, known as the Deep State, but there are 'wheels within wheels'. When we became aware of the Deep State, it was controled by the Wolfowitzian neocons, whocame to the fore after the Gorbachev Coup that ended the Soviet Union.  The Hawks had been outvoted since the late 60's and early 70's, when Nixon, having heard the pros and cons, signed America's name to the ABM Treaty (1972). The ABM Treaty ushered in the ERA of MAD or Mutual Assured Destruction which served humanityfor 30 years until Wolfowitz and the neocons decided that the US was too powerful not to be thesole hegemon and demonstrate it's superiority over all other nations.   That was the WolfowitzDoctrine and to put it in gear, George W. Bush was required to withdraw the US from the ABMTreaty, which would allow America to construct anti-ballistic missiles which could then be placed inthe ex-Soviet States into which NATO had moved (or was about to move) and from that proximitydestroy the Russian nuclear response after the Wolfowitz's preemptive nuclear first strike.  Fromabout 2005 or 2006, the US and NATO began the construction and installation of anti-ballisticmissile sites to house the anti-ballistic missiles that they worked on since the ending of the pact. Russia appeared alarmed and wanted to see what NATO was working on, but was refused anyinformation.  Moscow was told the new missiles were to defend against Iran and North Korea.No one believed Washington and Brussels, who, in turn, didn't care about being caught lying. So having rid the world of MAD, Wolfowitz began dragging the two nuclear superpowers closerto conflict.  Of course, he wanted a conventional war with Russia and did not understandPutin's rhetoric about not fighting conventionally, but going right to nukes.  Who would starta nuclear war and destroy civilization?  Wolfowitz should have looked in the mirror. So he convinced himself that Putin was bluffing. If Russia were attacked conventionally, it wouldhave to go to a conventional war of attrition and the combined US/NATO forces would eventuallyprevail and the Earth would not become radioactive.   By the end of the first decade of the 21st century, the West was trying to provoke Russia into fighting but Putin steadfastly refused to take the bait.  Then the US and NATO, the Axis of Goodness,changed its focus and declared that the Arab Spring had arrived and that the citizens of the ArabNations would throw off the yoke of tyranny and seek the pie in the sky of democracy. But what the greatest democracy on Earth really meant by Arab Spring was the completedestabilization and destruction of the Arab world. Syria, Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq were being bombed either by the Coalition or by the suicidebombers of ISIS or the Taliban or al Qaida.  The nations were turned into rubble, cities weredestroyed, masses of refugees set off looking for protection from the Wolfowitz Doctrine.  Thebombs kept falling.  With greater and greater frequency.  In 2014 the US achieved regime changein Ukraine and intensified its provocations of Putin.  Sanctions, cheaper crude, a weaker ruble,intensified criticism of Russia's gay propaganda laws, suits in the European Courts in the Hague,entrapment of Russian athletes in a huge doing scandal, Green Peace, and the false flag attackon MH17 in the summer of 2014.  But Putin stood there like the Confederate General, StonewallJackson, and didn't budge.  Before the end of Obama's second term, the Doves of the Deep State decided to take back controlof the Deep State that they had  surrendered to the Hawks when Bush quit the ABM Treaty.And they used the American Presidential Election in November 2016 to remove the reins of the DeepState from the hands Wolfowitz and his hawkish adherents. The Doves, maintaining complete secrecy from the Hawks, arranged for Trump to get the Republicannomination by dint of the quality of his money and the quality of his opponents in the primaries.They also supported of Hillary in her almost unopposed run for the Democrat nomination. They joinedthe "two for the price of one" chorus, even though they detested Bill. They knew he'd be a drag on theDemocrat ticket, and that was good. They had Bill's ear and fed him bad advice.  Either their polling showed that Hillary had Michigan,Ohio, and Wisconsin all sewn up and she didn't have to campaign there.  Or they knew she couldn't winthose states and spending money there would be a waste.  Or they could fix the results there and not to worry.   Bill and Hillary's campaign bought what the Doves were selling and they were sold down the river. Meanwhile the Hawks planned to drag Russia and Putin into the campaign, but were persuaded notto do so unless Hillary lost and that's exactly what happened.  By now Fake News was an accomplishedfact and the Doves encouraged the MSM to use it to reverse the results of the election.  By this time the Doves were adding as much fake news to the 'fires within the fires', so that when the time came toreveal the true nature of the neocons, Democrats and the Deep State Hawks, there would be enoughfalse allegations against Trump and the Russians to completely derail the 'impeachment' sentimentin Congress. This is near where things stand today.  The fires will get higher before they die out.But there will always be enough heat to pop corn.  You can count on that.  

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francis scott … The Dogs of Moar Wed, 07/26/2017 - 15:29 Permalink

Dogs, the following is from a debate that appeared in the December, 1968 WAR/PEACE report,almost 50 years ago!

THE GREAT NUCLEAR DEBATEParity vs Superiority A discussion between Donald G. Brennan, Robert Stausz-HupeJerome Wiesner and Adam Yarmolinsky. Should the U.S. strive to stay ahead in the nuclear arms race or is it nowmeaningless to speak of atomic superiority?  Here four experts of varyingviews discuss this crucial question facing the new administration.

The new administration was Nixon's in 1968 and you will see how almost 50 years agothe problems with the Soviet Union, and now Russia are, for all intent and purpose, the same.  Strausz-Hupe was a professor of mine at U of P almost 60 years ago.  He was an original Cold Warriorwho predated the late Brzezinski by 20 years.  I disagreed with him in 1959 but comparing him to histhe egotistical and self-important heir, Paul Wolfowitz, he was Bismarck and von Clausewitz rolled upinto one.  Without exaggerating, Wolfowitz and his worthless doctrine are responsible for all the deathand destruction we have seen since Obama became 'more flexible' after his reelection.   There is no point in dwelling in America's hypocritical past,  we must move on and delouse ourselvesfrom a couple of decades of the influence of Paul Wolfowitz. In my discussion of the Hawks and Doves of the deep state, obviously the proponents of superioritythen are equated to the Hawks of today and today's Doves argued for parity in 1968.  Nixon himselfchose parity when he signed the ABM Treaty which the incompetent Bush quit, without the benefit of amandate in the 2000 election, shortly before he took us to war in 2003. You must scroll several pages into this pdf to find the cover WAR/PEACE report toread the debate.

 Strausz-HupeI think it is.  e must calculate perceptions of interests.  For the Soviets, Vietnamis not a primary strategic area; it's not Eastern Europe, the Middle East, or theextreme Far East.  Now if we assume we can not risk isolating an area that isof strategic importance to us and that is of secondary importance to the Soviets,if we can not do that because if we were to try to do it, we could provoke a thirdworld war, then I would say there has been a very substantial deterioration in ourstrategic posture.  I believe that this whole idea of superiority is relevant only ifis reduced to particular strategic and political issues.  In this particular case weapparently no longer have the strength we had in previous crises. 

Can you imagine?  Strausz-Hupe says in 1968 "apparently no longer have the strength wehad in previous crises."YIKES.  WE WOULD HE SAY ABOUT US TO DAY?


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hedgeless_horseman CJgipper Tue, 07/25/2017 - 18:18 Permalink


New sanctions would go into effect against Iran for its ballistic missile development

But not Israel?

Israel on Friday successfully completed a test of a missile system the IDF termed a rocket propulsion system. No other details were provided, but analysts said that the test was very likely related to Israel's Jericho ballistic missile system. The Jericho system comes in several varieties, with various ranges and capabilities. According to foreign news reports, the most modern version of the system, the Jericho III, has a range of between 5,000 and 11,000 kilometers, and can carry a warhead of up to one ton. The last test of a Jericho III missile was in November 2011. 

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jeff montanye hedgeless_horseman Tue, 07/25/2017 - 18:41 Permalink

of course not; never israel.president trump, the neocons are leaving the republican party for the hillary wing of the democrats.  they don't like or trust you, no matter how you grovel and beg.  they will knife you the first chance they get.get them.  get them through first the crimes of hillary clinton then through their own crimes.  you don't owe them anything and they don't have pictures of you having sex with children like they do on so many others (or something equally useful).repeat:  get them.

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