Krieger: We Need To Admit The Government Story About 9/11 Is Bullshit

Authored by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Unless we come to terms with 9/11 and the obvious fact that the official government story is a ridiculous fairytale, it’ll be hard for our nation to move forward in an intelligent, courageous and ethical manner.

Many of the most destructive trends which have defined our post September 11, 2001 environment, such as a loss of civil liberties and endless barbaric wars of aggression abroad, have been directly related to our false understanding of that awful terrorist attack.

As I’ve always maintained, I have no idea what really went down on that day, I just know that the U.S. government and its intelligence agencies are not being honest.

Although it’s been a long time coming, we’re finally uncovering some kernels of truth about the attack and the role Saudi Arabia played in carrying them out. Much of this progress has been driven by family members of those who died, some of whom are suing the Saudis for their role in that despicable slaughter of civilians.

I’ve written about these lawsuits on several occasions, but here’s an updated summary from Common Dreams, published two days ago:

As our summer draws to a close and ushers in a cool and rainy September, there is a solemn chill in the air marking the approaching anniversary of the infamous attacks on the World Trade Center that took place September 11th, 2001 – nearly sixteen years ago. The memories are still fresh for the survivors and the family members of victims who are to this day living with their losses while continuing to fight for accountability through both the military court in Guantanamo, where individuals involved in the attacks have been tried or are still facing painstakingly slow trials. This upcoming sixteenth anniversary of 9/11 will be the first time since the attacks that the families now have another legal recourse for seeking accountability not only from individuals but from a nation involved in the attack: Saudi Arabia.


Introduced in the Senate on September 16th, 2015, the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA) removed a major roadblock to justice by opening the way for private US citizens to file suit against the Saudi government, which was previously protected by the blanket immunity given to foreign governments. There is much that we do not yet know about what went on behind closed doors with regard to the orchestration of the 9/11 attacks, but the declassification of the portion of the 2002 Congressional Joint Inquiry known as the 28 pages on July 15th, 2016, after 14 years of secrecy, offered the preliminary hope of some much-needed answers. Of the 19 total hijackers who carried out the attacks, 15 were from Saudi Arabia, and evidence contained within the 28 pages pointed to financial connections between these individuals and members of the Saudi government.


Curiously, however, Saudi Arabia’s suspected culpability in the attacks has not been reflected in US response. From the War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan to President Trump’s attempted travel ban affecting a list of seven Muslim-majority countries—from which Saudi Arabia is notably absent, it would appear that our government’s enthusiasm for retaliation against “Islamic terror” has a blind spot in the shape of the US alliance with Saudi Arabia.


Getting at the truth of the extent to which the Saudi government sponsored and aided in the attacks is a vital step towards justice and closure for families that, until JASTA, had the power of foreign sovereign immunity standing in its way. Despite fierce oppositionfrom Saudi lobbyists and a presidential veto that argued that it would invite similar lawsuits against the United States government from victims of US war crimes, JASTA was successfully passed into law on September 28th, 2016. Only two days later, the first lawsuit under this new act went forward. DeSimone v. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, filed by the widow of US Navy Commander Patrick Dunn, set the precedent for many other lawsuits of its kind to follow.


While some JASTA lawsuits came from single individuals or families as in the case of DeSimone v. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, others were filed in the form of consolidated complaints with hundreds of plaintiffs issuing shared demands. Ashton et al v. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is one of the largest class action lawsuits of this kind, sporting the names of over 800 family members and 1500 survivors. Filed March 20th, 2017, the lawsuit as of the time of this publication is contending with a motion filed by Saudi Arabia to dismiss it from the court. Lawyers for the plaintiffs have until October 2nd to submit documents opposing the motion.

Evidence of at least some Saudi complicity in the attacks is pretty much undeniable at this point, and if you missed it the first time, I suggest you read my summary of what we learned in the infamous “28 Pages.” 

But now we have even more information. A lot more. For instance, take a look at some of what the New York Post reported over the weekend:

Fresh evidence submitted in a major 9/11 lawsuit moving forward against the Saudi Arabian government reveals its embassy in Washington may have funded a “dry run” for the hijackings carried out by two Saudi employees, further reinforcing the claim that employees and agents of the kingdom directed and aided the 9/11 hijackers and plotters.


Two years before the airliner attacks, the Saudi Embassy paid for two Saudi nationals, living undercover in the US as students, to fly from Phoenix to Washington “in a dry run for the 9/11 attacks,” alleges the amended complaint filed on behalf of the families of some 1,400 victims who died in the terrorist attacks 16 years ago.


The court filing provides new details that paint “a pattern of both financial and operational support” for the 9/11 conspiracy from official Saudi sources, lawyers for the plaintiffs say. In fact, the Saudi government may have been involved in underwriting the attacks from the earliest stages — including testing cockpit security.


“We’ve long asserted that there were longstanding and close relationships between al Qaeda and the religious components of the Saudi government,” said Sean Carter, the lead attorney for the 9/11 plaintiffs. “This is further evidence of that.”


Citing FBI documents, the complaint alleges that the Saudi students — Mohammed al-Qudhaeein and Hamdan al-Shalawi — were in fact members of “the Kingdom’s network of agents in the US,” and participated in the terrorist conspiracy.


They had trained at al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan at the same time some of the hijackers were there. And while living in Arizona, they had regular contacts with a Saudi hijacker pilot and a senior al Qaeda leader from Saudi now incarcerated at Gitmo. At least one tried to re-enter the US a month before the attacks as a possible muscle hijacker but was denied admission because he appeared on a terrorist watch list.


Qudhaeein and Shalawi both worked for and received money from the Saudi government, with Qudhaeein employed at the Ministry of Islamic Affairs. Shalawi was also “a longtime employee of the Saudi government.” The pair were in “frequent contact” with Saudi officials while in the US, according to the filings.


During a November 1999 America West flight to Washington, Qudhaeein and Shalawi are reported to have tried multiple times to gain access to the cockpit of the plane in an attempt to test flight-deck security in advance of the hijackings.


“After they boarded the plane in Phoenix, they began asking the flight attendants technical questions about the flight that the flight attendants found suspicious,” according to a summary of the FBI case files.


“When the plane was in flight, al-Qudhaeein asked where the bathroom was; one of the flight attendants pointed him to the back of the plane,” it added. “Nevertheless, al-Qudhaeein went to the front of the plane and attempted on two occasions to enter the cockpit.”


The pilots were so spooked by the Saudi passengers and their aggressive behavior that they made an emergency landing in Ohio. On the ground there, police handcuffed them and took them into custody. Though the FBI later questioned them, it decided not to pursue prosecution.


But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi. Then, in November 2000, the FBI received reporting that Shalawi trained at terrorist camps in Afghanistan and had received explosives training to perform attacks on American targets. The bureau also suspected Qudhaeein was a Saudi intelligence agent, based on his frequent contact with Saudi officials.


More, investigators learned that the two Saudis traveled to Washington to attend a symposium hosted by the Saudi Embassy in collaboration with the Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, which was chaired by the Saudi ambassador. Before being shut down for terrorist ties, IIASA employed the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki as a lecturer. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers and helped them obtain housing and IDs.


The FBI also confirmed that Qudhaeein’s and Shalawi’s airline tickets for the pre-9/11 dry run were paid for by the Saudi Embassy.


“The dry run reveals more of the fingerprints of the Saudi government,” said Kristen Breitweiser, one of the New York plaintiffs, whose husband perished at the World Trade Center.


Carter said in an interview that the allegations that the Saudi Embassy sponsored a pre-9/11 dry run — along with charges of other Saudi involvement in the 9/11 plot, from California to Florida — are based on “nearly 5,000 pages of evidence submitted of record and incorporated by reference into the complaint.”


They include “every FBI report that we have been able to obtain,” though hundreds of thousands of pages of government documents related to Saudi terror funding remain secret.

As I tweeted yesterday:

Finally, let me end this post by sharing a video put together by James Corbett, which has attained nearly 3 million views.

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BustainMovealota Sep 12, 2017 12:06 PM Permalink

Don't forget,, all we got from the plane hitting the Pentagon Bldg was a still photo of fireball AFTER the "plane" hit.  The Pentagon, being probably the most secure building in the world, with video cameras pointed in every angle, 24 x 7 and all we got is one still.   What fuking bullshit.  You have to a complete fuking idiot to believe the Govermit story.

Lucky Leprachaun Sep 12, 2017 11:30 AM Permalink

I should have known that Krieger would not be honest on this, instead using the piece to point the finger at the Saudis as the sole perpetrators, leaving out The Neocons and Mossad.

andrej Sep 12, 2017 8:38 AM Permalink

Too late.People, who organized 9/11 got what they wanted a looong time ago: War, and civil rights abrogation. It won't be easy to win them back.Admitting that the government story about 9/11 is bullshit is meaningless. People already know that, and government knows that people know. Government does not take people for fools, though, it takes people for cowards. It knows people won't do anything. 

ghostmoney Sep 12, 2017 3:27 AM Permalink

Saudi Arabia? Sure .... All 16 intelligence agencies failed that day too? A 757 flew 3 inches off the deck for 3/4 of a mile to hit the pentagon? Airport security fail 4 times in one day as well? These odds are in the billions.Perhaps, people are starting to be born into the lies of 911. I wonder how long the lies will stand? 

ghostmoney Sep 12, 2017 3:27 AM Permalink

Saudi Arabia? Sure .... All 16 intelligence agencies failed that day too? A 757 flew 3 inches off the deck for 3/4 of a mile to hit the pentagon? Airport security fail 4 times in one day as well? These odds are in the billions.Perhaps, people are starting to be born into the lies of 911. I wonder how long the lies will stand? 

ghostmoney Sep 12, 2017 3:27 AM Permalink

Saudi Arabia? Sure .... All 16 intelligence agencies failed that day too? A 757 flew 3 inches off the deck for 3/4 of a mile to hit the pentagon? Airport security fail 4 times in one day as well? These odds are in the billions.Perhaps, people are starting to be born into the lies of 911. I wonder how long the lies will stand? 

golfrattt Sep 12, 2017 2:47 AM Permalink

Blah blah blah. Blah blah

Its editorial trash like this that signals ZH has intention of being a legitimate news source, these creeps r just in the biz of selling doom n gloom.

Pathetic low life bottom feeding scumsucking "journalism" (term used lightly)

Obviously profitable, thus wouldn't be in the biz of sensationalizing that which isn't sensational... smh

Rebelrebel7 (not verified) Sep 12, 2017 12:37 AM Permalink

We need more people asking questions and more people telling the truth! There is a reality and morality deficit in the establishment!The crazies have been in control and have destroyed the world!

StreetObserver Sep 12, 2017 12:39 AM Permalink

I don't know what happened on 9/11. But I'll tell you one thing, I refuse to go up in any highrise.A few small fires starting on the lower floors of the building and the whole thing can pancake into its own footprint at freefall speed, just like Building Seven.All highrises are, according to our government's description, deathtraps as evidenced by Building Seven which was never even hit by a plane, yet still collapsed at the speed of a free falling object! 

Youri Carma Sep 12, 2017 12:51 AM Permalink

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VWAndy Sep 11, 2017 11:30 PM Permalink

 This thread is full of sophistry stunts.The pleas to authority.Ad hominum.Disimissiveness.False claims to inside info.   Whats lacking is any semblance of a valid argument proving the official story up.

MagicCooler Sep 11, 2017 11:10 PM Permalink

Any 13 year-old computer geek with Adobe Illustrator can open the .pdf of Obama's purporterd Certificate of Live Birth posted on the White House website 27 April 2011 and immediately know that it's a digitally manipulated and constructed document.Millions have opened that file and seen what's there.  The layers, the rotated artifacts, the digitized "hand writing".  The metadata...And what has become of that?  That's an easy one, there for all the world to see, and confirmed by numerous credentialed experts. If people are too dumb, or more likely too indifferent, to care about the fact that the man who was President of the United States for 8 years has a clear forgery of a birth certificate, other more elaborate scams like the phony 2007/8 financial "crash" and even 9/11 itself are already hard-wired into the national zeitgeist until The End.

Akdov Telmig Sep 11, 2017 10:04 PM Permalink

The US government has a long proven tradition of false flags to start wars even if that means killing their own soldiers, like for the Maine cruiser in Cuba which was used as a pretext to start a war with Spain in 1898. 

rejected Sep 11, 2017 9:54 PM Permalink

Its been 16 years,,, It's obvious Americans don't want an independent investigation and prefer to believe the government line.Just as they don't want to hear the facts concerning the civil war,,, they don't want the facts concerning 9/11.La La land is just fine with them. 

ThankUGartman Sep 11, 2017 9:49 PM Permalink

I just watched the 9/11 movie this weekend with Charlie Sheen. Produced by Sprockefeller studios no less. I think he may win an oscar for that gripping portrayal of a billionaire going through a divorce while stuck in an elevator with his soon to be ex. Amazing movie so much suspense, incredible script I mean 1hr and 20 min in an elevator with 4 other people what a great idea for a movie about 9/11. 16 years to make a movie about 9/11 and this is the best they could do. F'ing lame Hollywood. If you want to see a real 9/11 movie watch the 4 part dvd called " Ring of Power". Ps I paid to watch IT and saw 9/11 for free.

John_Coltrane Sep 11, 2017 9:38 PM Permalink

Well, you can either believe the official fairytale or the laws of conservation of energy and momentum. When an object falls, whether its a brick or the roof level of a skyscraper like WTC7 its potential energy, mgh is converted into kinetic energy 1/2*mV^2, where m is the mass, g the gravitational constant, h the height, and v its velocity. But in reality some potential energy is lost to friction or dissipation, so only in the absence of such dissipation will the maximum velocity v (that of free fall) be attained. So, how fast did the top level of building wtc fall7 (the one not hit by a plane)? Videos show its that of free fall! Let that sink in for a moment. It fell as fast as a compact object like a brick dropped from the same height h would have fallen. That's so amazing isn't it when you consider the amount of energy dissipation between floors in a typical collapse from some mechanically induced structural defect. (That dissipation shows up a heat!) But suppose we could eliminate this momentum transfer between floors by sequentially removing the physical support between floors so there's only air resistence. And we'd obviously have to start at the bottom. Now each floor, including the top one is just like a brick in free fall. But how to do this? Maybe the same way deliberate timed detonation in buildings to used to bring them down in a symmetrical debris pile without harm to adjacent buildings? And wow, wtc7 fell in a nice symmetrical debris file.

Maybe whoever did it didn't think we'd catch a violation of energy conservation in the video tapes-after all American's do pretty poorly at science.

Now, the big question? Who benefits? Not a bunch of disgruntled goat herders. More likely, our "ally" with a history of sinking our ships (The Liberty), stealing our nuclear secrets and trying to involve us in proxy wars as is say, Iraq, one their arch enemies (sort of like Iran is now). Well, we took Iraq out for them, but they've lost in Syria. No more proxy wars you hideous fiends! (Notice how easily friends become fiends?) This heinous act resulted in the Patriot act and the loss of our freedoms and treasure.

Rebelrebel7 (not verified) Sep 11, 2017 11:07 PM Permalink

The crazy thing is that since the schemers and legalized criminals and thieves have done it AGAIN, they have been throwing everything out there to see if anything will stick, nobody believes them anymore. They are completerly incredulous. They've tried to wage war with everyone but Guam,  we've heard of North Korean EMPs, solar flare EMPs, hurricane nuclear power plant EMPs, Hanford explosion EMPs, and Yellowstone EMPs in addition to nobody taking the bait  in the wars that they have been attempting to wage since 6/16.We know that they just want to destroy the evidence of  their crimes. It couldn't be more obvious!

Koba the Dread Sep 11, 2017 9:32 PM Permalink

What utter crap. Lee Oswald did it. Well, if Lee Oswald didn't do it then the mafia did it. Nineteen coke-head, alcoholic jihadis who couldn't fly did it. Oh, well it nineteen coke-head, alcoholic jihadis who couldn't fly didn't do it, Saudi Arabia must have don it. Utter crap!Only one question is supreme: Why was there absolutely no air defense of Washington, DC on September 11, 2001? The first rule of defense is you defend the seat of governent. Andrews Air Force Base, ten miles from the Capitol and ten miles from the Pentagon is charged with the air defense of Washington, DC. Andrews Air Force Base had no fighter/intercepters on September 11, 2001. None! They were all away on an "exercise" somewhere around the arctic circle that day.You don't leave your national capital, seat of government and world empire military headquarters unprotected. Neither nineteen coke-head, alcoholic jihadis who couldn't fly could have called off the protection of Washtington, DC that day nor could the government of Saudi Arabia have done so. There is only one entity that could have done so: elements of the government of the United States of America. Or, if not elements thereof, the full sitting government of the United States of America.There is nothing more to discuss concerning 9-11 than why there was no air protection of our nation's capital on 9-11. Everything else is diversion.

Lost in translation Sep 11, 2017 9:25 PM Permalink

An economics professor I work with e-mailed me a link last week, subject line read "interesting article."

It was an essay by John Bolton/Gatestone Institute. Typical warmongering BS.

I replied, "please don't tell me you actually believe airliners flown by Arabs with boxcutters brought down WTC."

"I've read extensively on this subject," he said. "I don't believe in conspiracy theories, that's just nonsense."

Is-Be Sep 11, 2017 9:00 PM Permalink

Woo wee! Did somebody kick over the hornets nest?A lie?Nay. They covered it in 4 layers of lies. This is a standard military tactic.No. It wasn't Bin LadenNo.It wasn't Jeb BushNo It wasn't a mini nuke.No. It wasn't your allies the ArabsNo. It wasn't "dancing Israelis."No. It wasn't nanothermite.It was much worse.Only Judy Woods came near the truth. She did it by opening her eyes to the evidence. Not weird theory. The empirical evidence.Without watching her hour long lectures on YouTube you have no hope of formulating a respectable model.

Is-Be blue51 (not verified) Sep 11, 2017 9:53 PM Permalink

I have an hypothesis but I wouldn't be so bold as to stake my life on it.Let's say that I have no truck with "proof" but build my models on evidence.The evidence is that the seismic recorders detected no buildings hitting the ground. They did record rebound as the earth was relieved of their weight.Motor car engines missing all the way up the street.Exploding airtanksUnburned paper sitting on top of "molten" steel.People stiripping their cloths off before jumping.And more.But I do not have my authoritative white coat on so I urge everyone to watch my superior, Judy Woods.Without seeing the evidence with their own eyes, my hypothesis would be rejected instantly.

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MK ULTRA Alpha SuperRay Sep 11, 2017 9:38 PM Permalink

The Saudi connection is a deception. Israel's Mossad and rogue elements of CIA, FBI and US military did 9/11. There are many in the intelligence community and military aligned with Israel.

If we ran a survey of FBI, a one question secret survey question- no peer pressure, no management oversight.

Do you believe the government's version of 9/11, everyone of the FBI would answer yes. They're brainwashed from a life time of growing up on television mind control. In other words, they're mentally ill. It is a psychosis and they live their lives well within the parameters of their programming. They search for words and images to reinforce their programming.

All thought and logic is screened in and out of their minds through a screen designed by others. They can never know themselves, never be one with God.

Any attempt to wake them up is met with extreme violent resistance.

This is how the truth is replaced with lies. The government is full of people or should I say robots like this.

It is unfortunate loyalty to Israel is not seen as treason. It is not treason in their minds because Zionism is racism and their racial hate is used to gain control of their minds.

Our own government helped murder our people.

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JustPastPeacefield Sep 11, 2017 8:49 PM Permalink

Just two things:When James Woods witnessed the dry run of AA Flight 11 from BOS to LAX and gave the FBI a detailed, scene-by-scene account of what would happen three weeks later, the FBI seemed remarkably uninterested. Apparently, they told him to go home and never, ever mention this to anyone. We're on it!So, either the FBI is 1.) Wildly incompetent in a general sense 2.) Functionally paralyzed by the accusation of anti-islamic racism 3.) Something even more disgusting or 4.) A little bit of each. He was not the only person to witness preparations for 9-11. The hijackers were openly filming the security lines at Logan in the summer of 2001. They were almost begging to be noticed with their cameras and Osama beards, and they were noticed. Result? Crickets. And most damning of all - on 9-11, after the FAA stopped all air traffic across the country, not a single aircraft was allowed to fly. Not even the parents of the second worst president in US history, George HW and his fat fuck wife Bush. They were apparently stranded in WI or somewhere.But one plane, and one plane only, was allowed to fly, and fly away fast. The bin Laden family was allowed to leave. Yes, he had family in the Boston area. Rich, well-connected scum. We see plenty of their type around here.Why? Why the special exemption for these Saudis? Why did they need to blow town so quickly? There were lots of rich and influential people who wanted to fly that day, but only one plane was allowed. Why?We were all so innocent on 9-10, but 16 years on, we have good reason to be cynical. We were all fed a diet of lies, and we ate it up. Nothing but lies.  

Golden Showers Sep 11, 2017 8:47 PM Permalink

My prayers go out to everyone today.Ever sit and wonder what the world would look like if Truth and Honesty were more than just words.That's a bigger threat than thermonuclear war imo.God Bless.

WTFUD Sep 11, 2017 8:20 PM Permalink

Intelligent, courageous and ethical are not even close to the first 3 adjectives which come to mind or one would expect to hear in describing the character & makeup of Uncle Sham's Spawn, if one were being brutally honest . . . . and certainly the complete opposite of those adjectives would be used to describe the psychotics running the current circus.

Chippewa Partners Sep 11, 2017 7:37 PM Permalink

"to move forward in an intelligent, courageous and ethical manner"Stop.  Just stop with such crap as that.  It't is over.   Intelligence?  Where you have seen any?   Courage?  Sure, where might that be inside the Beltway?   Ethics?  LMFAO!!!!!!!

WTFUD Pumpkin Sep 11, 2017 8:31 PM Permalink

It's increasingly difficult to get ahead in this day & age without being Satanic and i suggest we quickly learn the ropes, before our feudal masters earmark us for segments within the Plantation. Restricted Area, forfeit all privileges for One Month and undergo an experimental restructuring programme.

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thebriang Sep 11, 2017 7:29 PM Permalink

JFC, thermite or conventional explosive slag cools in hours or days. That twin tower slag was sitting on bedrock that is adjacent to the Hudson River yet the scrap metal was still red hot and steaming Months later.Which is also why they went after the photog who took the pics of the scoured melted bedrock/massive heatsink after the scrap was removed.... did they suicide him yet?The ONLY thing on our planet that can keep metal that hot for that long without additional fuel or energy being added is radionuclides.Period.Discussion over.Unless you can find another explanation that follows the laws of physics on this planet as we know them. In fact I double dog dare you to.Dimitri Khalezov has the best complete explanation of the physical demolition portion of anyone I have seen, and there Were plans for a nuclear demolition of the twin towers, somewhere I've still got a old copy of that article from the early 80's where the writer is shocked as fuck that they ever had such a plan.Regardless, thermite doesn't make steel freeflowing, it's too hot and cuts right thru it, leaving a fast melt seam that solidifies quickly. And liquid aluminum is shimmery gray, not molten orange. Some of the Many reasons the thermite angle doesn't make sense, although nanothermite is a fable. What they Actually found on their electron microscope was iron and other atoms bonded on a molecular level... Exactly what happens with nuclear detonations.It seems everyone with an asshole and an opinion thinks that nukes Simply Must be these huge airburst MIRV nukes out of a fucking movie, complete with blinding light and a goddamn blast wave.When in reality there are many many tactical nuclear devices that do no such thing, like every fuggin dial-a-yield detonated underground. You also know it was nuclear because of the cars blocks away whose bodies were fine but their engine block burned out from the inside... another sure fire sign of a nuclear detonation, from when the gamma wave causes the freon compressed in aluminum tubing to spontaneuosly ignite. Unless you've got another explanation, but no harry potter bullshit, you gotta stick to the laws of physics on this here planet earth.On and on and on... the only possible physical proof that actually matters is there if you just look and stop listening.Also Dimitri Khalezov is still free.

Snaffew thebriang Sep 11, 2017 7:58 PM Permalink

Over 8 million people in NYC alone and nobody waved a geiger counter anywhere near the 9/11 site and documented it?  I totally am on board with the US gov't having a hot hand and being a major player in those attacks, but radionuclides????  I haven't seen any documented evidence of radioactive detection...hell, if that was the case, you could probably still wave a geiger counter around that site and get some hits.  I seriously doubt your theory.

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blue51 (not verified) thebriang Sep 11, 2017 7:43 PM Permalink

I still think thermite was used to sever the steel at each floor , but what manipulation of physics caused the dustification of the concrete ? Why were some sections of  the exterior of the first 3 floors ( Lobby ) still standing after the collapse of Tower 1 ? Should they not have been crushed and buried ?

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