Pat Buchanan Warns "Tribalism Marches On!"

Authorerd by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,

Recently, a columnist-friend, Matt Kenney, sent me a 25-year-old newspaper with his chiding that my column had been given better play.

Both had run in The Orange County Register on June 30, 1991.

“Is there no room for new nations in the New World Order?” was my title, and the column began:

“In turning a stone face toward embattled Slovenia and Croatia, President Bush and Secretary of State James Baker have not only put America’s chips on the wrong horse. They have bet on a losing horse.

 

“Can the U.S. Government seriously believe that a Yugoslavia of such disparate peoples, all of whom wish greater freedom, most of whose republics wish to be free of Belgrade, is a viable nation?”

 

The State Department had denounced “these unilateral steps by Croatia and Slovenia” to break free: “As Secretary Baker made clear last Friday, we will neither encourage nor reward secession.”

Croatia and Slovenia are today free and members of NATO.

A month later in 1991, George H. W. Bush, in what Bill Safire dubbed his “Chicken Kiev” speech, warned that Ukraine’s desire to break free of Moscow manifested a “suicidal nationalism.”

Today, Ukraine is independent and the Bush-GOP establishment wants to send weapons to Kiev to fight pro-Russia secessionists.

As nationalism tore apart Yugoslavia and the USSR in the 1990s, and surged to propel British secession from the EU and Donald Trump’s triumph in 2016, that primal force appears on the march again.

Wrote The Wall Street Journal Monday:

“Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban barely mentions his political rivals as he campaigns for a fourth term. Instead, he is targeting the European Union and its biggest members. ‘Our fiercest opponents are not in Hungarian opposition parties,’ Mr. Orban said in a speech last week, ‘They are abroad … Berlin, Brussels.’

 

“In neighboring Poland,” the Journal goes on, “government rhetoric is even harsher. Politicians have one-upped each other in attacking France and Germany, arguing they are forcing multicultural liberal democracy on more traditional Poles.”

Not only in the east of Europe but also in the west, nationalism is surging. Wrote The New York Times Friday:

“The accelerating battle over Catalonia’s status hit warp speed this week. Catalan lawmakers voted to go ahead with an Oct. 1 referendum on separating from Spain. Spain’s constitutional court declared the vote suspended. And Catalan politicians said they would proceed anyway.”

Yesterday, thousands of Catalans paraded through Barcelona under a banner proclaiming “Goodbye, Spain!” It was the Catalan National Day, which commemorates the 1714 capture of Barcelona by Philip V, the first Bourbon monarch of Spain.

Spain’s wealthiest region, Catalonia believes it is being milked by Madrid for the benefit of regions that contribute far less.

The question being raised by Catalonia is one America has faced before. Do peoples in a democratic republic have a right to declare their independence, secede, and establish a new nation, as the 13 colonies did in 1776 and the Confederate States of America sought to do in 1861?

Though America was born of secession, the U.S. establishment since the Cold War has been far more transnationalist and globalist than a great champion of new nations.

Perhaps that is because the New World Order proclaimed by Bush I in 1991 envisioned the U.S. as the benevolent global hegemon.

Another ethnonational secession may be declared even before the Catalans go to the polls Oct. 1.

The Kurdistan Regional Government has scheduled a referendum for Sept. 25 — on independence from Iraq. Should it go forward, a massive vote to secede seems certain. And Kurds are relying on U.S. support. For they have sustained many casualties and shed much blood backing us in Iraq and Syria against the Islamic State.

Yet while our sentiments may cheer the cause of an independent Kurdistan, our national interests may call for caution.

For though the Kurds, 30 million in number, are probably the largest ethnic group on earth without a nation-state of their own, creating a Kurdish homeland could ignite a Middle East war the Kurds could lose as badly as did the Confederate States.

Why? Because, the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire at the Paris Peace Conference of 1919-20 not only left millions of Kurds in Iraq, it left most of them in Turkey, Iran and Syria.

A free and independent Kurdistan carved out of Iraq could prove a magnet for the 25 million Kurds in Iran, Turkey and Syria, and a sanctuary for Kurd rebels, causing those nations to join together to annihilate the new country.

Then, there is Kirkuk, seized by the Kurds after the Iraqi army fled from an invading ISIS. The city sits on some of the richest oil deposits in Iraq.

Yesterday, Massoud Barzani, president of Iraqi Kurdistan, told the BBC that if the Kurds vote for independence and Baghdad refuses to accept it, they will forcibly resist any Iraqi attempt to retake the city.

Tribalism appears to be doing to the Bush New World Order what it did to Mikhail Gorbachev’s Soviet Union.

Comments

Antifaschistische BLOTTO Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:47 Permalink

I don't really see it that way Pat.When two people are not getting along.  you separate them, until such time that issues are resolved peacefully.  We do it in elementary school...we've done it in cultures across the world since the beginning of humankind.   We draw a line...separate, redraw lines...unite....copy/repeat over and over and over.The problem in todays fairytale world is that we believe that all lines (borders) now drawn must be fixed...never moved...with peoples never separated, never divided.   No cooling off period, no time to "get our act together"...just forced integration by TPTB for the primary purpose of preserving their castle lifestyle.It isn't "nationalism"...it's classical social survivalist vs. the Lords.

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French Bloke Ace006 Wed, 09/13/2017 - 18:18 Permalink

2 things:

  1. "Croatia and Slovenia are today free and members of NATO". This is a joke, right? No one is free if part of NATO. They've signed a deal with the devil and their souls are owned forever. There's a never ending expectation they will support US hegemony and pay for it in blood and money with little or no return apart from the false promise of security (and from whom?).
  2. I used to believe that Kurdistan should be an independent nation but now think otherwise. As the countries surrounding are now openly anti USA in their thinking, the US will merely use a new Kurdistan to sow more discord in the region and be a hop away from their Kyke allies. This would not be a positive thing for anyone wishing to live a peaceful life in that region. The Kurds will be sucked dry of most of their revenue by being forced to buy MIC weaponry and would become the 2nd most hated country thereabouts (ISISrael first)

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JelloBeyonce aliens is here Tue, 09/12/2017 - 23:40 Permalink

The "right" and "left" in the U.S. have more in common than either will ever realize, or admit.Both are guided by growing authoritarianism.  Both are moving ever increasingly towards extremism.  Both are choosing to define "freedom" as freedom for themselves, yet oppression for the other. Ignorance, not reason, nor logic, nor common sense, is serving as their guide.Trump vs. Hillary offers proof: 231 million eligible voters in the U.S.59.93 million votes for Clinton 2.059.70 million votes for TrumpSo a mere 25.8% of the registered voters chose the president elect.And the U.S. is a democracy (er, representative republic)?Since when did "democracy" become redefined as rule of the minority? The U.S. was founded on compromise.  Do yourselves a favor and read of the fighting between James Madison and Alexander Hamilton during the founding of the nation.   Meanwhile, as the mindless masses from both the "right" and "left" remain busily distracted, continuing to foolishly fight each other over whether candidate brand A is better than candidate brand B, the common "people" of the U.S. continue to lose out to inflation, and lose increasingly greater amounts of freedoms, liberties, and justice.  Yet, regardless whether Democrat or Republican, the same ultra-wealthy continue to gain ever more wealth, the ultra-powerful continue to gain ever more power. This is why "democracy" eventually deteriorates into tyranny.  This is why the U.S. is quickly becoming a feudal society.There are the .001 percent, with everyone else serving as their mere servants. You've got no one to blame but yourselves. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.  As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."-Ben Franklin- “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.”“Whatever is my right as a man is also the right of another; and it becomes my duty to guarantee as well as to possess.”“Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it.”"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."“I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.”-Thomas Paine- One thing is for sure........the U.S. has become the angriest nation in the world.I surmise that the people of the U.S. are so angry because they have become mere slaves to the elite.  Emotionalism has trumped logic.  Yet their ignorance prevents them from realizing this, and thus they resort to turning on each other to vent their growing frustrations.Each side foolishly continue to believe in the "Myth of the Good King", that is the "King" representing only "their" side.Yet in truth, that "King" is merely representing the elite. FREEDOM FOR ONE, MEANS FREEDOM FOR ALL.Again, You've got no one to blame but yourselves.The choice is yours....FREEDOM or TYRANNY.  You can't have both.

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ReturnOfDaMac Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:01 Permalink

And the problem is?   Folks want to be free to associate with likeminded individuals, seems pretty natural to me.  We may get a little bit of that here at home, keeping up with the California secession movement?

Hongcha Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:07 Permalink

Tribalism is the next natural progression up from blood family.  A little disappointed with Buchanan here.I had the pleasure of being in Barcelona and Madrid this month.  The Catalans are not going anywhere.  This is a big pep rally.  The Spanish Federales are globalistas, marching to the diversity tune and degrading their Church with degenerate art.  Too bad about that.

Sylvan Hongcha Tue, 09/12/2017 - 18:06 Permalink

I am afraid that you are right about Catalunians but anyway I wish them to succeed to leave Spain.But I also wish that USSA will tumble apart like Yugoslavia did in 1991! USSA take your own medicine! Trump is the best thing for you to receive - to become 'normal = not exceptional' nation again and to stop f**k anyone that suits your interests. This will be a contribution to world peace,...

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ogretown Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:07 Permalink

Right now the upstart Coalition of Courage is only three countries. Russia-Iran-Syria.  They have accomplished much in Syria, saving that country.  Now lemme see...who is on the side of the Kurds carving out a phony and artifical country?  Oh yes, the Coalition of Clowns led by America.  If they keep teasing the Kurds and the Kurds do decide to vote for their own country, it will only be a (short) matter of time before the sensible Iraqui's will be agitating to join the Coalition of Courage.  And I think we can probably count on Turkey's support, either tacit or openly. One would think that America has learned from decades of bumbling about in the ME.  Apparently not.    

Things that go bump ogretown Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:38 Permalink

We've already betrayed the Kurds. If they're smart they'll never put their trust in us again. I hope they've found new and more dependable friends. The US encouraged them to raise up against Sadam, and when they did we threw them under the bus. Sadam just slaughtered them. My memory may be defective, but I recall that he used poison gas against whole villages. 

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BGO Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:11 Permalink

Its good to see that men of disparate creeds are again willing to make a stand against tyranny. It always seemed to me that if there was to be a major attack on the NWO's master plan, it would begin in Europe. And kudos to the Kurds.

Deep Snorkeler Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:14 Permalink

As a benevolent global hegemon,the US should force all nationsto watch 1950s movies aboutthe Mayflower pilgrims and Gen. Custer,and read Jewel Kilcher's poems.They will love us for our freedoms.

serotonindumptruck Deep Snorkeler Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:44 Permalink

About General George Armstrong Custer:"He also had two knitting needles pushed into his ears. Legend has it that this was done by Indian women because Custer had refused to listen."https://www.changesinlongitude.com/custers-last-stand-mutilation/This is a very mild version of what happened to General Custer and his troops.All of his troops were scalped and mutilated, some while still alive. The Sioux took General Custer's scalp as a trophy, as per their custom.Custer and his men were slaughtered and mutilated beyond all recognition, but these facts are conveniently omitted from the history books.

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Offthebeach serotonindumptruck Tue, 09/12/2017 - 20:01 Permalink

The pastoral, low carbon footprint Sioux were chased out of Minnesota area and pushed into the high plains by other war like tribes who hated them and used the word Sioux for snake.  Roughly half the tribes, right from the Pilgrims,  aligned themselves with whites,  recognising the material and civil benefits.  The others intermittently.  Hard as it is to lefties but "Native" Americans had free will and could make there own minds. ( I put "Natives" in quotes as new genetic archaeology is illuminating pre-Clovis peoples as partly....european, suggesting that western colonization was a redo over an intermittent occupiers, of at least a older, partly european population.  Yep, whitey was here first.)  

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Stan522 Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:17 Permalink

Identity politics is the carrier pigeon to this tribalism and that is the democrat party's main purpose. We will eventually start fighting in the streets over everything if we fail to realize there is more in common between us American's than differs......

gilhgvc Stan522 Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:44 Permalink

except there isn't, there USED to be, now people think of themselves, not thier children or grandchildren, not the guy across the street or the next block over. You cannot force people to coexist just because of geographical proximity. Tribes are the original form of human cooperation and still the best, unless the tribe gets too large. Govt can never create bonds where bonds shouldn't exist. Just a fact of nature and you cannot fight mother nature. 

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Mazzy Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:20 Permalink

How about this down the road: Iran and Syria allow their Kurdish regions to accrue to Iraqi Kurdistan, together forming Kurdistan.  Turkey under it's current regime would oppose, but Turkey and NATO are against Russia, and they will back Kurdistan, Iran and Syria in the formation of an independent Kurdistan.  Iraq will literally be sapped of all it's strength for a generation and will put up no real challenge.  There may eventually form an independent state centered around Basra and encompassing Karbala and Najaf for the Shiite population.

wisebastard Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:27 Permalink

its funny how i get labeled the bad guy for not wanting to kill innocent people in other countrys and have the governmetn uphold the rule of law.....meanwhile the "angel" is the most corrupt two faced government worker i bet i will ever come across who even jokes about being a nazi and hating the people who support him because they are evil. the guy even says that i am right and that i would make the ideal nazi/progrssieve/leftist if i would shut my mouth and turn on the people.

wisebastard wisebastard Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:34 Permalink

i have even had powerful banker tell me that i would never be popular on wall st because i am not corrupt. i have reason to believe that i have even been targeted by high frequency trading. for almost two years anytime i traded forex the markets would trend sideways. it got to the point it was almost like they were insulting me with it. the markets would trend before i traded and then went sideway almost the entire time i traded. i might get a small about of movement but i would be lucky to 50 pips, and i was almost never got close to 70 pips which should be pretty easy to do several times a day. I would check back after i shut down my platform and the markets would trend again....

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wisebastard wisebastard Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:41 Permalink

i only recently started to get trends again. I requested my account history from my broker because i believed it showed some manipulation to my account. I got no response and was transfered to a different broker shortly thereafter. I made some comments on my plant forms notes that the broker could read, and i think they may have caught on to the people. 

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khnum Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:40 Permalink

Ukraine independant ROFL its a neo-fascist puppet state that was set up by Soros/The US State department,its on the record Victoria Nuland stated the US spent 5 billion to subvert the old regime.Pat I could go on I think you have good intentions but spare us the bullshit.