Don't Take The Drugs Your Doctor Gave You Until You Read This

Via The Daily Bell

Your waitress wants you to get another round of drinks. We get it. She wants to sell more and boost her tip.

But what if your doctor is doing the same thing when it comes to drugs? Unfortunately, they also want to sell more, and boost their tip… from the pharmaceutical companies.

But unlike the waitress, the doctor relies on a system of lies and manipulations.

Some doctors don’t even know what they are caught up in. They perform the tests. They read the journals. The tests say you have a disease. The journals say what treatments work.

But too often the tests are designed by the drug industry. And the journals are written and reviewed by frauds.

The Tests

All the sudden, everyone has a disease! What could have caused such a vast increase in hypertension, obesity, and osteoporosis?

The answer is an expanded definition of who is considered afflicted.

You walk into your doctor’s office for a physical exam and step on the scale. Last year, the doctor said you were overweight. Now he says you are obese — at the same weight.

A nurse takes your blood pressure. You have hypertension — with the same previously healthy reading you’ve had for years.

The doctor scans your wrist bone. You have a condition called “osteopenia” — with the same bone density that was fine last time you were measured…

You are suddenly sick, simply because the definitions of disease have changed. And behind those changes, a Seattle Times examination has found, are the companies that make all those newly prescribed pills.

This is nothing new. Unfortunately, the above quotation is from the introduction to a 2005 series of articles. They were sounding the alarm early, but things have only gotten worse.

Back then, the pharmaceutical industry had a hand in designing the testing tools for osteoporosis. They helped change the definition of obesity. They redefined diseases without any strong evidence. And they did this by giving money to doctors in order to promote their agenda. Some of the doctors who received kickbacks were policy setters in the World Health Organization, the U.S. National Institute for Health, and other medical associations.

Every time the boundary of a disease is expanded — the hypertension threshold is lowered by 10 blood-pressure points, the guideline for obesity is lowered by 5 pounds — the market for drugs expands by millions of consumers and billions of dollars.

The result? Skyrocketing sales of prescription drugs. Soaring health-care costs. Escalating patient anxiety. Worst of all, millions of people taking drugs that may carry a greater risk than the underlying condition. The treatment, in fact, may make them sick or even kill them.

One woman was taking a medication to lower her blood pressure. When it was ineffective, the dose was doubled. This caused an allergic reaction which sent her to the hospital and could have been deadly. Her doctor switched her to other medications.

Her doctor, Saunders, doesn’t sound like some evil stooge taking back room bribes. He sounds like a man caught up in an industry in crisis.

But Saunders isn’t sure whom to trust. He questions the stream of studies leading to new guidelines urging broader use of new medications.

“In my heart of hearts,” he said, “I am concerned that these studies that are telling people that it’s best to get down to 120 over 80 are all paid for by drug companies who are trying to sell pills. It makes me uncomfortable. I think the days of getting unbiased information are gone.”

But this is all old news. Most people have gotten a glimpse of such conflicts of interest. But still, doctors rely on the experts. Even if your local doctor is not corrupt and money hungry, he may be listening to people who are. And worse yet, he may be reading medical journals that are a complete fraud.

Hundreds of “Scholarly Articles” Retracted

The medical journal publisher Springer has retracted almost 200 papers in the last two years because “the peer review process was compromised.”

Sadly, many of the retracted articles have to do with tumor biology. For years, people have been labeled conspiracy theorists for believing in the massive amount of corruption surrounding the cancer industry. This retraction is just the tip of the iceberg.

The most affected journals are Tumor Biology (25 papers) and Diagnostic Pathology (23 papers). The other journals are Comparative Clinical Pathology (one paper), Journal of Parasitic Diseases (four papers), Cancer Cell International (two papers), Journal of Ovarian Research (two papers), and World Journal of Surgical Oncology (one paper).

To submit a fake review, doctors often provided false emails which came back to them or someone else they could trust to provide a great review and vouch for the accuracy of the paper. Many journals accept paid entries without doing the homework to find out anything about the person submitting the paper, or who allegedly peer reviewed the piece.

But even when the medical papers are not outright lies, they can be quite misleading. According to a JAMA review:

Of the 45 eligible highly cited studies with efficacy claims (Table 2), 7 (16%) were contradicted by subsequent research, and another 7 (16%) were found to have initially stronger effects. In all these 14 cases (Box 1), subsequent studies were either larger or better controlled (randomized vs a nonrandomized original study). The findings of 20 highly cited articles (44%) were replicated (also with a larger sample size in subsequent research compared with the original highly cited study) and 11 (24%) had remained largely unchallenged.

Basically, 66% of the highly cited studies could not really be trusted. There just was not enough evidence of their findings to take them as solid truth. 32% of the studies should have been ruled out altogether, since later better studies found the results incorrect or highly exaggerated.

Reaching a Crescendo

The evidence is mounting against the pharmaceutical industry’s influence on the medical community.

It seems like a good thing to focus on preventative care. What’s so bad about expanding the base of people considered at risk for certain diseases? The issue is that the drugs themselves can cause serious harm and side effects. Many have not been studied over the course of enough years to be accurately labeled as safe. Doctors are prescribing the drugs to younger and younger patients since the threshold for each illness, and who is at risk, has been lowered, with the influence of the drug companies.

And on top of all that, the studies and journals that are relied on for information about diseases and cures have been compromised. From false reviews to failure to replicate, the data is simply not as concrete as many doctors would have us believe.

The bottom line is that individuals need to take their health into their own hands. Sometimes, yes, it is right to take a prescription the doctor suggests. But your own thorough research should be done on the necessity, risks, and benefits of such medications.

When it comes to preventative health, many pharmaceutical drugs are derived from common herbs. Yet Great Britain’s National Health Institute has begun discouraging doctors from treating patients with inexpensive homeopathic and natural medicines. Go figure many of the doctors who made that decision do “consulting” work for the pharmaceutical industry.

The best thing to do is make every effort to avoid ever having to use mainstream medicine. Excercise and eating right is a good start.

And for herbal remedies to some common, and some serious, conditions, check out The Green Pharmacy by James Duke. You might find that ginger and pineapple are a better anti-inflammatory option than the stomach churning over the counter pills.


SILVERGEDDON Erek Tue, 09/12/2017 - 13:57 Permalink

Seeing a doctor is like paying a hooker to give you AIDS, herpes, Hep C, and the clap - only, without the sex. You do get fucked though. In more ways than one. " Physician, Heal Thyself. "  That means, be your own fucking doctor. Lead a healthy life - sleep, diet, and exercise. Sooner or later, you are gonna die - live a good life until you do - doctor and drug free.  

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HRH Feant2 (not verified) Stuck on Zero Wed, 09/13/2017 - 01:56 Permalink

Hehehehehe! My eyes looked the same way when the GI surgeon said I was lucky. Next time he would be installing a colostomy bag. What a choice. Surgery under ideal conditions or emergency surgery with a raving infection resulting in a colostomy bag for six months to a year, possibly for life.

I have had great outcomes with surgeons that remove bad material. They get in, remove the crappy tissue, get out. May be a little messy as far as leaving a scar, but wham, bam, they are in, out, done.

Pray for me next month. I will post the date of scheduled surgery in my bio. Heck I may even post the hospital in case any ZHers want to send flowers. Doc told me I will be inpatient for 4 to 5 days. Am scheduling a nurse for post operative care as I have no family in the area. I will need help changing the sheets and someone to mind me so I don't bust my fucking ass taking a shower and probably will need help changing bandages.

Life goes on. You do what you have to do.

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HRH Feant2 (not verified) UmbilicalMosqu… Wed, 09/13/2017 - 06:59 Permalink

Thanks. Not fun. Pretty sucky thing to have to deal with but I like being alive. If this is what it takes, fine. I like being alive. Quality of life matters, for me. This isn't something you wake up and do because you want to be pretty and improve your lip line.

Can't wait to read all of the horror articles to be posted by the Tyler's in the next few weeks about staph and other hospital infections!


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fleur de lis HRH Feant2 (not verified) Wed, 09/13/2017 - 11:03 Permalink

I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.Having your own nurse post op is a very good idea.He/she will attend to your needs and will not be called away.Ask the hospital social worker if you can have someone sent home to assist while you are recovering.Many insurance plans cover such assistance, so check with the hospital ahead of time since they are familiar with most major plans.Don't wait until you are a patient, you will not have the luxuries of time and movement at that point.  

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Bigly Erek Tue, 09/12/2017 - 16:52 Permalink

I am coming to this conclusion.Stopped any, all meds. I take some supplements like D3, B12, etc. I grow a garden for some things including all my inseason tomatoes...still going strong for a few more weeks.I am depressed I used to get flu/pneumo shots. I stopped 3 winters ago and will NEVER take another vaccine. I filter my water...AlexPure on my well water. I try to elim stress.I diagnosed myself that I have an issue with my MCL. Bought a brace online with ice packs. Those surgeries never work well anyway.Fuck the system. this article, I can ask my doc for scripts and they just write them. I realize this is not ok. But my doc knows I am not stupid and more of their peer so they will do this.Ambien? NPXanax?NPDrugs suck. 

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11b40 Bigly Wed, 09/13/2017 - 10:36 Permalink

Here is some advice from a 70 year old who takes no prescriptions, gets regular check ups, and is 'clinically' obese.  I also run a high stress sales agency, and found myself somewhat depressed due to business and personal financial losses 2009-2011.Diet.....reduce sugar consumption, and switch to Agave syrup for most other sweetening needs.  Stop buying white bread, and go to multi-grain.  Avoid white flour as much as possible.  Eat mostly a plant-based diet with a lot of veggies, fruits,and nuts.  Eat a colorful plate. Don't buy chips, candy, or baked goods from the store.  Make them at home using the freshest possible ingredients, and substitute healthier ingredients wherever possible, like agave for sugar, coconut butter for regular butter, use healthy oils, etc.Exercise....just do it, and shut up.  Join a gym, and go at every opportunity, or get into a solid routine at home.  I am considered obese at 200 lbs now, but have a 36 in waist, and I'm solid.  My weekend workouts run about 3 hours.  Whatever works for you, but just do it.  Force yourself into good habits, like taking the stairs, taking a parking spot far from the door, and anything else that requires extra effort.A proper diet, coupled with regular exercise will take care of most of your depression, and you will sleep longer and deeper.  If you still don't sleep as well as you would like, try smoking a bit of the evil herb about an hour before bedtime.  It has been working for me since 1967. Alcohol in moderation is generally OK, but always keep in mind that it is a depressant.I very much agree that natural supplements can be beneficial, and you are on the right track with them.Bottom line - your health is your responsibility.  You can work to control it, or it will end up controlling you.  You can make yourself vibrant and energetic, or allow yourself to become weak and sickly, but the key word is WORK.  Staying healthy in today's world is a chore and far from automatic.  

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Kassandra Erek Tue, 09/12/2017 - 18:29 Permalink

This is timely as hubby and I were discussing this last night. I have lower cholesterol and better breakdown NOW than I did when I was 31, which was 30 years ago..and NOW it is considered too high. Same with BP, same with everything else.
I actually tried a low dose statin, made me sick as a dog. So I can't tolerate them and am labeled "non-compliant."
So be it.
Both my parents lived into their nineties.
The so called medical community can all go pound salt.

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Katos Erek Wed, 09/13/2017 - 10:22 Permalink

"STATINS" for high cholesterol jabe become the number one prescribed medication in the world. Sadly, the doctors don't tell you that your body actually creates cholesterol, AND your "BRIAN" utilises 25% OF THE BODIES cholesterol IN order to function properly.  WHEN YOU take a pill that eliminates cholesterol, your setting yourself up for dementia, Alzheimer's, and Parkinson's! I have friends who have never had a heart PROBLEM that have been prescribed STATINS?  I have had 3 heart attacks and I refuse to put that poison in my body. I exercise and eat right, drink only disstilled water and my cholesterol is perfect! You better read up on every drug your prescribed, because most time the cure is worse than the disease!

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lasvegaspersona AustrianJim Tue, 09/12/2017 - 15:20 Permalink

Most patients lack the background to 'do their own research'. There are many problems with our health, eventually life kills us all. Doctors should have the info to assess the usefulness of meds but even we, depend on experts.Keep your weight under control and check your blood pressure every few months at the drug store.If you do these two simple (but not easy) things, many of the drugs won't be needed.After that, if you become obese, you are going into the uncertanty of modern medicine....don't go there...

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cheeseheader Bigly Tue, 09/12/2017 - 18:29 Permalink

For 8 days I have had my usual monthly BP prescriptioin waiting for me to pick it up.  Thinking of just letting it sit there.  I can tell when my BP starts racing (maybe for ~1 minute), and now just recognize it and relax till it goes back down. Course, nothing like years ago on the trading floor when it must have been sky high???  I'm living to 100, or bust.

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cbxer55 Bigly Wed, 09/13/2017 - 00:35 Permalink

I check my blood pressure every day, sometimes two or three times. Reason, I always have high blood pressure when I go to a doctor's office. But if I present them with evidence that it is not the case, they leave me alone. Even had one doctor tell me that 25 percent of all people who are told they have high blood pressure, really don't. They are just like me, and have problems only when in a proctor quacks office. LOL 

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deoldefarte cbxer55 Wed, 09/13/2017 - 04:20 Permalink

One time when I was visiting my parents in the Detroit area, I felt sick and decided to go to their doctor.He was a younger man from the old country (Poland).Had my blood pressure checked upon arrival.  Then ushered to his examination office, whereI waited about 15 minutes for him.When he arrived, he checked my blood pressure again.  I asked him why???He replied that patients are anxious upon arrival at the office, and usually have a muchhigher blood pressure...then it subsides when they start to relax.Never had this done by any other physician in my lifespan. I am 80.By the way, I do take my blood pressure at home daily,first, when I sit down, then waitabout 3-4 minutes, and take it again...the second readings usually are 10-15 points lower.So I know, that old coutry doctor was right.Just saying. 

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caconhma blentus Tue, 09/12/2017 - 13:22 Permalink

This article is correct.I live in Boston where we have one of the best hospitals in the USA. We also have one of the best medical schools/universities. Majority of doctors are drug-pushers!Most of my doctors are full professors in Harvard school of Medicine. I have very "special" relationships with my doctors: I am a scientist myself and my doctors respect my opinions. I always state my position to my doctors: prove it to me that I need this or that drug.I noticed that doctors, I know for many years and have good personal relationship, run additional lab tests before prescribing any medications to me. At the same time, new doctors I see immediately write at least half dozen of prescriptions.Finally, doctors hate/refuse to report drug side-effects. By doing so they endanger their patients but they keep good relationships with Pharma companies! 

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Toxicosis taketheredpill Tue, 09/12/2017 - 15:02 Permalink

Wrong!Many physicians are both incompetent and corrupt.  Greed has overtaken humility and service to the patient in the medical profession.  Many physicians are on the take.  They know damn well how the system works.  Many push vaccines, drugs and multiple procedures with dubious results, time and again.  Careful not to be an apologist for a profession that knows they are apt to prescribe some of the most horrific poisons known to humankind and commit to this devoid of almost any pharmacology or toxicological background.  They are first and foremost highly unqualified to dispense pharmaceutical medicines and have little to no knowledge of the underpinnings of how nature and biochemistry function.

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Utopia Planitia lasvegaspersona Tue, 09/12/2017 - 21:30 Permalink

It is fascinating that some supposedly "educated and wise" ZeroHedge readers always come out dripping with bile any time the topics of Pharma or Doctors are mentioned.  The reaction is identical to how Progressives react any time any conservative says anything. I suspect the vast majority of these negative folks are healthy.  They have no experience with (either personal or via family/friends/etc.) truly dire circumstances visited upon them where the only option for survival is modern medical care.  I am in that boat, and have many in my extended family in similar circumstances.  I have been in that boat since shortly after birth, so my dilemma is nothing that came about through visiting the local booze emporium, the local drug dealer, nor the local hooker.  Nor was it from "eating the wrong foods". Some of us have conditions for which diet, exercise, etc. etc. will do NOTHING to address the condition nor prolong life.  Of course those of you who pile on medical and pharma could give a shit if any of us in similar circumstances live or not. Note that we are not asking you to, either.  But it is interesting that many with no knowledge, no expertise, and no experience are more than ready to tell the rest of us what to do. If YOU don't want to see a doctor then don't!  But don't tell me that I don't get to see one!  Nor do you have any business telling me what drugs to take or not take!  It is true that a person should be actively involved any time a doctor wants to write them a prescription.  Most people can have a decent understanding of what the drug is for and what it does, but that does not come from sitting on the couch watching the latest episode of whatever.  I have the advantage of several advanced degrees and have spent many years in the lab doing medical research.  However, I have many relatives who are high school graduates who could tell you chapter and verse about why they are taking each of their drugs and how they work.  How did that happen?  THEY WENT TO THE LIBRARY AND EDUCATED THEMSELVES!!!  There is nobody preventing you from doing that other than yourself. One factor that none of the negative folks ever take into consideration (which is an artifact of their profound ignorance) is that human physiology (and the associated biological chemistry) is frighteningly complex.  Then, on top of that, not every person reacts the exact same way to a given medication.  These are two (of many reasons) why humans still have diseases. Yes, it does happen that some patients end up being over-prescribed.  That generally happens either because the person has not made the effort to evaluate what the doctor is doing, or for those who are unable to do so nobody in their family (care group) has made any such effort.  Doctors are not gods. Do not treat them as such.  But also do not assume they are trying to screw you over.

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Bigly Toxicosis Tue, 09/12/2017 - 16:58 Permalink

Get annual blood tests. Check extra boxes on test orders if they do not check them e.g., D3, uric acid, C reactive protein. You should always have a metabolic and lipid done.Note: KNOW what you are checking and only do a couple if your doc is somewhat incompetent...You need to know if you have inflammation going on. Make lifestyle changes, not drugs.

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HRH Feant2 (not verified) Bigly Tue, 09/12/2017 - 22:23 Permalink

I agree. I was seriously ill last year at this time with sepsis. At first I thought I had a UTI. I took a basic sulfa for a few days. Figured I would tough it out. Not good. Ended up calling 911 and in the hospital for three weeks with sepsis due to diverticulitis and and abcess that nearly ruptured. They were able to drain it and I survived.

How were they able to determine the severity of my illness? Blood tests. White cell count was through the roof and C-reactive protein was off the chart. Plus pain was a clue. CT scan verified what they thought was wrong.

Anyhow I am still upset because a team came in when I was one step down from critical care in observation and they insisted on performing a fucking gynecological exam for STDs. Given my age, my lifestyle, and what I had told them that was the stupidest test they could have done.

I hate having to be rude to people, in person, but if that is what it takes, be rude and tell the doctors to fuck off and stop treating you, or your loved one, like a slab of fucking meat.

It looks like there are a few docs here. I have had two recurrences of diverticulitis since I was in the hospital last year. Enough to have pain and enough to have to require sulfa and Flagyl. Talk about toxic fucking drugs! This last time I had to be given an anti-nausea pill just to keep down the other pills.

Yes, I have increased my fiber intake. No I am not obese. I am seeing the GI surgeon next week about scheduling surgery for a colon resection of the section of my large intestine that has diverticulitis and the abcess scar tissue. Colonoscopy this spring went well. Removed three small polyps, negative for cancer, and there was evidence of diverticulitis in the area of the colon where the abcess occurred. Three minor bouts of diverticulitis and one serious in the past three years. I had one minor bout prior to the very bad incident followed by two other minor bouts.

It scares the hell out of me to have surgery but the option is to chance getting another bout of sepsis / infection and end up having emergency surgery. The surgeon made it clear, if I wait and that happens he assured me I would end up with a colostomy bag or dead.

I did get a second opinion. Was going to have surgery last spring but chickened out.

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vealparm blentus Tue, 09/12/2017 - 15:57 Permalink

It is an ad and should be labeled as such. That said I have long believed in homaopathy and/or herbal/natural medicines and cures....such things as Apple Cider Vinegar, Baking Soda, and many extracts of plants, fruits and berries.I do wonder if this book is just another rehash of the stuff Kevin Trudeau wrote about in his book, "Natural Cures.... they don't want you to know about". I believe he was convicted of fraud at one point, but I think that was about some financial books he wrote? He was "naturally" bashed up and down by the medical/drug complex.I'm 74 and relatively healthy and quita active and take Zero RX drugs. Nearly everyone I know from 65 and over take multiple RX drugs, yet they're all still moaning about health problems and various aches, pains and afflictions. Their schedules are filled with,  doctors appointments, lab work appts, blood work and other order to get their prescriptions refilled. Rinse and repeat.......their conditions never seem to improve.....just get worse????

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synthetically … Tue, 09/12/2017 - 12:20 Permalink

(Quoting from the article: ) "Basically, 66% of the highly cited studies could not really be trusted."Oddly enough, when I add together 16% + 16% + 24% (representing the percentages of the highly cited studies called into question in some manner), I get 56% instead of the 66% figure employed by the author.  Not that I dispute the author's overall conclusions, but I do have to wonder if the author isn't as guilty of exaggeration as are some of the highly cited studies. 

drugranker (not verified) Tue, 09/12/2017 - 12:57 Permalink

Drug companies did NOT pay me to post this, I was not PAID to post this, this is not spam: If you want to see what really happened to patitents that took your medication visit to see what the FDA is hiding from you.

overmedicatedu… Tue, 09/12/2017 - 13:06 Permalink

good article..too many people jump into needless proceedures and are over medicated to meet the new standards for hypertension or who read this here on ZH are smart enough to find out the info you need before placing your health in the modern medical model..good Docs are rare today..

Kyddyl Tue, 09/12/2017 - 13:56 Permalink

I work as a professional in healthcare and am also a patient with a couple of serious problems. It's true there are a few doctors out there who are greedy or stupid, but a large majority are very careful about how much of what they prescribe. Most of the latter pay scant attention to the drug reps. (They are a pain in the tail!) That said there's always the patients who actually do "tell their doctors" that they want such and such a drug as advertised on TV. Big problem with them, but understandable as many are frightened. The US is one of only two countries in the world who allows drug advertising on TV. Not everything is so black and white ZH this article is tripe! Very irresponsible.

safe as milk Kyddyl Tue, 09/12/2017 - 14:59 Permalink

kyddl, what you don't get is how the marketing works. i have worked on the graphics side of big pharma advertising pitches many times. i have been a fly on the wall of these confidential meetings. big pharma with the help of their ad agencies is very good at manipulating health care professionals (btw, there is no word healthcare, it's a big pharma marketing invention). they have done detailed psychological profiles of doctors and have come up with very detailed analysis of doctors by specialty. they use the doctors own arrogance against them to convince them that they are making sound decisions about what they prescribe. it's basically the same reason that stock brokers love doctors. doctors are encouraged to be overly confident in their decison making process. they are putty in the hands of a smart marketing organization. oh, and by using data from the local pharmacies, plus some other very neat tricks they are very good at knowing exactly what prescriptions every doctor writes without getting that information directly from the doctor.this is just the tip of the iceberg. i could jsut go on and on...

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Mr. Ed Tue, 09/12/2017 - 14:32 Permalink

What about rejecting medicines altogether most of the time?

More than 50% of common illnesses today are likely the result of food consumed that people are not genetically adapted to and cannot metabolize properly. (Modern man is almost designed to get sick. No one lives or dies without medical care in a fixed locality anymore, so adaptation - survival of the most well adapted - never happens. Too few generations have passed for real adaptation to occur.)

We're talking about food and environmental sensitivities. No medicine at all is often an excellent alternative; but, there are some downsides:

The first downside to this is that the medical profession and drug companies make no money when you don't get sick in the first place - when you simply tailor your exposure to food and environment to fit your genetic make-up to avoid illness AND DOCTORS!

The second downside is that most people are not genetically adapted to their surroundings and have too much static in their lives to sense what they are sensitive too (ie: keep diaries, make observations and read, read, read about food sensitivities!)

And, of course, if people rarely got sick, what would happen to the hospitals with huge capital purchases to pay off and fat executive payrolls to meet; what would happen to all the drug company staff that would be laid-off? What about support services for the drug co's? What about THEIR fat executive payrolls? What would the knock-on economic impact be...? Would this cause a recession?

Okay. Never mind. Forget about it.

Simple J. Malarky taketheredpill Tue, 09/12/2017 - 15:09 Permalink

I am also aging like fine wine, better as I get older and wiser. I had a Dr. who was very understanding of my aversion to medicine so he would tell me to eat more fish for instance , due to some defienciency or other. The other patients got the standard pills for everything unless they were averse but most are brainwashed from pharma ads on TV and want all the latest fad pharma. Best Dr. I ever had. He was extremely overworked but always took at least 5 minutes to sit and talk with me about things other than health. I think he appreciated people who took responsibility for their health. He was from Poland.

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