"Bitcoin Jesus" Is Trying To Create A Sovereign "Libertarian Utopia"

Roger Ver - a.k.a bitcoin Jesus - and Olivier Janssens are trying to transform a long-sought after libertarian ideal into a reality. As CoinTelegraph reports, the pair has announced that they’re in the process of creating the first independent state governed by libertarian values – and they’ve invited any like-minded individuals to join them.

The pair said Friday that they’re working with a team of lawyers to try and figure out how to legally create their own independent country. Ver is a longtime advocate of bitcoin who surrendered his US citizenship and became a citizen of St. Kitts and Nevis a few years back.

The pair have yet to disclose the location, nor has indicated what entry standards would be required.

The country, which would be reminiscent of Ayn Rand’s Galtian paradise, is intended to be a place where those who reject governmental controls and seek to maintain libertarian freedoms can gather and promote a truly free society.

CoinTelegraph reports that the locations being evaluated include areas that are safe and conflict-free, but also enjoy proximity to economic centers in the US, Europe, and Asia, while also being accessible by water. The team is hoping to offer a stable government with substantial national debt a way to eliminate some of that debt with a land lease to FreeSociety. On its website, the team says they’ve started preliminary talks with governments and interest “is much higher than initially expected.”

While Ver told CoinTelegraph that the country “isn’t an ICO”, it’s unclear how the FreeSociety team would acquire the money needed to purchase land upon which to build their sovereign nation.

Of course, Ver & Co. aren’t the first to attempt this. In 2008, billionaire venture capitalist Peter Thiel launched an initiative to develop a floating city, called a seastead, that would serve as a permanent, politically autonomous settlement. He invested some $1.7 million in The Seasteading Institute, and resigned from its board in 2011. Back in February, he told the New York Times’s Maureen Dowd. However, it appears the Seasteading Institute plans to soldier on without Thiel.

According to Business Insider, the group recently met with officials in French Polynesia, an island chain located in the South Pacific, and discussed plans to develop a seastead off its coast. If things go as planned, the institute might break ground as early as 2017.


LindseyNarrate… LetThemEatRand Mon, 09/25/2017 - 23:36 Permalink

What if we are, all, TRULY, in-Hell, and that is the honestly-to-God explanation for why this "world" is so God damned miserable? This is a terrifying possibility that "no one" wants to even consider, but I think that it is something that is VERY probable, given all that we see happening, INCESSANTLY, despite the prima-facie evidence for all of the malevolence being manufactured... THINK ABOUT IT, Folks. Lindsey

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any_mouse LindseyNarrate… Mon, 09/25/2017 - 23:55 Permalink

Does not take a supreme deity to make humans miserable.

The Tribe makes us miserable through entertainment, politics, monetary policy, social engineering, and theft.

Happy, satisfied people are not the rabid, miserable consumers that are necessary to transfer wealth to a few.

Look at what happens to nations surrounding Israel. Look at what happened to the 1947 UN Partition of Palestine.

The only way for this to attributed to God is if God really chose the Tribe as His People.

Now think about what sort of deity would do such a thing.

There is a disconnect somewhere.

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nardleram cherry picker Tue, 09/26/2017 - 02:21 Permalink

Laws are one of many tools that serve the state's continuing survival/cohesion. Fundamentally speaking, laws are made and broken by the state with that in mind. And whether we like it or not, the state has a monopoly on violence/force.The state will "blow up" or otherwise end any effort that becomes a threat to its existence. As do all living systems.The first goal of all living systems, from individuals to groups, is survival.

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cherry picker any_mouse Tue, 09/26/2017 - 00:06 Permalink

Maybe a lot of what is written including Holy books are 'fake news'  There is quite a bit of evidence to back up that statement.I believe there is a deity, beyond the senses and undeniable and indescribable as it beyond our comprehension and it designed to be that way.We attempt to put human attributes and emotions to God, such as love, anger and so on.However, whatever is behind this thing we call life is surely beyond all those things.

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E-Knight hxc Tue, 09/26/2017 - 13:21 Permalink

I do. These libertarians are absolutely insane. 'Free market can solve everything', they are incapable of seeing how any sort of organization is at all beneficial, most of them are anacharists, ironic given they made money from an organized society.

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stacking12321 E-Knight Wed, 09/27/2017 - 00:07 Permalink

unfortunate that you are mis-characterizing the beliefs of libertarians, or maybe you just don't understand them.there's a huge difference between organization, and forced organization.i'm 100% in favor of people organizing, and cooperating on a voluntary basis - together, groups of people can achieve wonderful things.what i'm against (and i think this is true of most liberty-minded individuals), is being forced into an association with a local mafia (the state), which demands tribute and insists that you follow their bad ideas, under threat of violence.as far as "made money from an organized society", that's just not accurate. they made money by producing useful goods or services which other people wanted. the "organized society" that you refer to (i believe you're referring to the violence of the state imposed on people who really don't want it), is not what made them money, and in fact it actively hindered them, by imposing costs, such as licensing fees, taxes, regulations, etc.

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Just a Bucket LindseyNarrate… Tue, 09/26/2017 - 02:14 Permalink

Nope, not in hell. This is a reality created for only the most advanced souls of the astral plane to test their skills, mainly ones relating to tolerance. If you make it through without killing yourself or having a major freakout and mass murdering a bunch of idiots, you level-up and get to tryout a place even worse. And so on. The final level is hell.

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RedBaron616 LindseyNarrate… Tue, 09/26/2017 - 09:21 Permalink

This world is miserable because men are sinners and thus are self-serving egomaniacs that care not about the evil consequences as long as their wallet is full and fat. It used to be that even some of those were restrained by the dictates of the Holy Bible, but now that Christianity is the official religion of hate (per the Leftists/Communists), men are unconstrained by anything at all. Any adherence to a moral code is rare. People cheat, steal, and do whatever they can get away with.Only Christ can take a sinner and clean him up from the inside out. Yes, there are a lot of fake Christians out there, but there are some real ones too.

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giovanni_f Blue Steel 309 Tue, 09/26/2017 - 00:07 Permalink

1. You generally cannot buy land when you are an (Israelian) Arab- Yandex "Jewish National Fund"2. You get ethnically cleansed if you are not a Jew and at the wrong tme at the wrong place3. It is a police state - just travel there and see for yourself (sudden checks at the airport; checkpoints)4. It is a rogue nation and interventionist (nothing libertarian), a land grabber (Golan heights; Sheba Farms) and aggressor nation (Libanon)5. It has no banking secrecy; banking in general is extremely cumbersome when it involves currency transfers - ask anyone having to do business with Israelian customers6. Iti defines itself offficially as a Jewish state - exercising a hard form of Apartheid 7. It has nukes - and stole it from the US8, It killed American Servicemen on the USS Liberty when trying to sink the ship - to incite a war9. It finances ISIS and Al-Quaida10. It aims for the destruction of Syria, one of the few secular nations in th near eastI could go on for hours with this list.NOW THE FUCK TELL ME WHAT IS EVEN REMOTELY LIBERATRIAN WITH ISRAEL?

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LetThemEatRand TBT or not TBT Mon, 09/25/2017 - 23:44 Permalink

You're right, I should give it more thought.  Let's see, Ayn Rand said that Isreal needed to be defended by the United States and that the Middle East needed to be tamed.  Numerous neocons cite to Ayn Rand when they tell us about the benefit of American hegemony.  Ayn Rand's co-author was Alan Greenspan, who supports Isreal and the BIS.   I'll continue giving this some more thought.

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hxc giovanni_f Tue, 09/26/2017 - 01:06 Permalink

Rand explicitly hated libertarians. Look at her treatment of her "friend" Rothbard after he started giving her some tough questions in debates. She's not anti state, just anti left. Corporatist neocon trash masquerading as a freedom advocate. Though she did illustrate the socialistic side of cronyism (not the MIC side) pretty well in her books.

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Ikiru hxc Tue, 09/26/2017 - 01:31 Permalink

Rand indeed did not like the libertarian movement, AT THE TIME, but that had a lot to do with the fact that anarchism was rather popular in the movement. The point is, she believed in maximum liberty, with the smallest government possible to protect those liberties. And she was also against the INITIATION of the use of force, especially by governments. If you don't agree with those two important tenets of Objectivism AND libertarianism, then you're probably a statist or collectivist.

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nardleram Ikiru Tue, 09/26/2017 - 02:32 Permalink

I haven't read Rand, but do have my concerns about Libertarianism.Maximimum liberty with small governement to protect the liberties afforded by property rights:1. How does government protect property rights without being the most powerful player in the game forever?2. If the name of the game is property acquisition, and property ownership is how one gains security in a fundamentally competitive culture, how is dynastic/monopoly power prevented over time?These are honest questions I don't have answers to. For the record, I'm an anarchist, so I believe in self/local governance via direct democracy, rather than in an instituted government whose primary role is to protect property. But as an anarchist, I'm always open to being wrong in my thinking, always looking to learn from others...

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GeorgeHayduke nardleram Tue, 09/26/2017 - 09:19 Permalink

Good questions. Hence the reason you are a self-described anarchist due to the depth of your thinking and not a libertarian. Libertarianism is a fantasy fiction/alt history genre aimed at selling books to sheltered late teens and young, emotionally immature adults who still live in their parents' basement and pontificate about how much better and  freerer the world would be if we all just did things their way.I am fully interested in seeing these guys put their cryptos where their mouth is and try to pull off this silly Utopia. My guess is the first casualty of this project will be ideological purity. Then truth as they wil lbe too proud or embarrassed to tell where they failed.Although the highest probability is that this utopia will remain exactly what it is right now: guys (and it is almost always guys) who will blow out tons of words and talk big about their righteous ideology, and that's about it. It 's always easier to talk about it than to put up your own money to build utopia.One thing is for certain, this country will host the highest concentration of assholes during its very short life. I hope they do a reality show about it as Atlas Shrugged turns into Lord of the Flies. It will be quite entertaining! 

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Ikiru giovanni_f Tue, 09/26/2017 - 01:09 Permalink

If some of you Rand haters would actually pick up some of her non fiction philosophical works, you might actually learn something. Her views on politics and economics perfectly align with libertarian ideals. And to refer to her as fascist shows how completely ignorant you are about her views and ideology. She did more to fight actual fascism in a week than you have your entire life. (I am taking a guess based on your ignorant statement.)

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giovanni_f Ikiru Tue, 09/26/2017 - 02:59 Permalink

Her so-called "fiction" is simply crap, probably written for a readership with that unbearable childish romantic inclination towards brutality+kitsch, but who are too stupid to read Nietzsche, believe it or not. It is ok that you adore a strange woman with that luciferian facial expression she cannot hide (I mean she worked with the master of the darkness, Alan Greenspan) but philosophically she is simply pas existant.Take care not to draw all your wisdom out of one book or two books of one author. Try to develop your own thinking skills in your quest to become a man instead of staying a irritable neocon-snowflake.

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Ikiru giovanni_f Tue, 09/26/2017 - 11:28 Permalink

Alan Greenspan is a sociopath who was quite convincing as a supporter of liberty. Read his essay "Gold and Economic Freedom"--it makes it hard to believe he went on the head the evil Federal Reserve--a snake through and through. I thought there were a higher percentage of libertarians on ZH--perhaps the comment board is being taken over by trolls like you. I'm about as pro-liberty, anti-war as they come, so being called a neocon snowflake made me chuckle and shake my head. I never said I agreed with every single thing Rand said, I'm no sycophant. But she put forth a strong philosophical case for liberty, and if you can't recognize that, there's not much hope in reasoning with you.

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BobEore malek Tue, 09/26/2017 - 03:36 Permalink

Do not worry yourself. LTERs' "reputation" round these parts will remain "unruined"... fo'ever.Guy brawled daily with the Libertardianss when the latter were in the ascendancy here... as favored 'in house' flavor...and received such cascades of down votes as have never been equaled - with such equanimitable stoicism as to render the Ragin Randian firing squad fringe effectively neutered fo'ever! In other words... yur bark has no bite, kid... howl away all ya like, but the serial murdererer pyschopath lover (and closet Trotskyite)has about as much pull here anymore as Hillary...time to find a new hero methinks.

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Ikiru MortimerDuke Tue, 09/26/2017 - 11:36 Permalink

It's a hopeless debate--my guess is they read the first 50 pages of Atlas Shrugged and quit. Probably didn't even touch the massive amounts of nonfiction philosophy she put out. Clearly, they are ignorant of her actual ideas--any self-respecting lover of liberty at least respects the fact that she attracted a lot of people to the liberty movement. So, they're likely conservatives or liberals who don't know what a libertarian is. Hell, I heard that liberal dbag Bill Maher call himself a libertarian once. Ha!

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NoDebt LetThemEatRand Mon, 09/25/2017 - 23:41 Permalink

"Israel" was my first thought, too.Ok, ok, let's calm down and thing about this rationally.  What part of the globe do they intend to displace the people already there to create this new "country"?  Unless they're thinking about Antarctica, I can't image this undiscovered land they intend to populate. So let's assume they DO find it (or create it on a coral reef or something).  What then?  It just gets branded as an illegal tax haven and the IRS swoops in and takes it all (backed by a few platoons of well-armed US Marines).Buy into this insanity at your own peril. 

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tion NoDebt Mon, 09/25/2017 - 23:44 Permalink

I dunno if this dude is connected/the same as the other FP SEZ but I strongly suspect they had a quiet agreement with the gov not to steal all the women lol.  They are going to be on shallow water and 'create' land.  Reef restoration, aquaponics, nearby airport, special zoning.

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