Spain Responds: Considers Puigdemont Speech Declaration Of Independence, "Expected To Apply Article 155"

It has been a hectic day for Spain where moments ago separatist Catalonia appeared to step back from the brink of officially declaring independence - with potentially dire consequences -  even as Puigdemont asked for a mandate to delare indpendence for Catalonia but proposed to suspend the result of the referendum vote "for weeks", in an attempt to achieve dialogue with the Spanish government "to arrive at an agreed solution to advance with the demands of the people of Catalonia."

"With the results of October 1, Catalonia has won the right to be an independent state," Puigdemont said. "If everyone acts responsibly, the conflict can be resolved with calm."

As Bloomberg summarized the speech, "it sounds like Catalan President Puigdemont is trying to catch Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy at his own game. Rajoy has always said he won’t talk as long as the Catalan government is acting outside the Spanish Constitution’s framework. Puigdemont is basically saying -- fine let’s do that -- but if doesn’t go our way we’ll resume with our plans."

The question then was how the Spanish central government would respond, which it did when it appears to have purposefully misinterpreted Puigdemont speech, declaring that "Catalonia has declared deferred independence" and, as El Pais reports, "Central government sources say they consider Puigdemont's speech to be a declaration of independence" with a press officer for the Rajoy cabinet telling Bloomberg that "it’s not acceptable to make an implicit declaration of independence and then explicitly leave it hanging." adding that Puigdemont “has taken his irresponsibility to the absolute extreme by ignoring the laws, citizens.”

As a result, "the Rajoy government will take measures, and is expected to apply Article 155 of the Constitution."

That, as readers are aware by now, is the so-called "nuclear option", one which would entail Spain seizing control of the separatist province, potentially leading to even more violence and even more demands for independence.


Row Well Number 41 SloMoe Tue, 10/10/2017 - 14:14 Permalink

Merit is no qualification for freedom. Bulgars, Afghans, and Tahitans have it. Freedom is enjoyed when you are so well armed, or so turbulent, or inhabit a country so thorny that the expense of your neighbour's occupying you is greater than the profit.     -- T.E Lawrence "Letter to the Editor" The Times (22 July 1920)

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Occident Mortal knukles Tue, 10/10/2017 - 15:20 Permalink

Catalan had their moment, had their climax, and they choked. Nobody ever won their independence by going backwards and forwards and pissing about. You win your freedom with a A to Z charge through a tunnel of blood and shit, there is no careful positioning, the moment you lose momentum or stall it's all over. That's what we have just seen. He delayed his speech for an hour, someone got to him. Made him reconsider, made him play for time, and as the movement stalls it weakens dramatically. Now it's business as usual. Now Spain and the EU will throw the kitchen sink at crushing the independence movement and Catalan politicians will slowly be bought off with cheap bribes and blackmailed.

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Occident Mortal Reptil Tue, 10/10/2017 - 15:31 Permalink

Nah we won't hear about this much again.He has muddied the water with his ridiculous and pathetic 'suspended independence'. His moment has passed. Next time the world won't tune in. Spain handed him a winning ticket with the police brutality during the referendum but he has traded it for 3 magic beans. Catalonians have put themselves in a hole now. All the momentum is gone and they have fired all their bullets at the world press.

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Reptil Occident Mortal Tue, 10/10/2017 - 15:52 Permalink

@Occident Mortalobviously he's trying to look like a peaceful person, ready to negotiate. that won't work, but I know a few people from there (Catalonia): they are very determined. they say "it's now or never".if they start arresting officials or invoce 155 there's only the option of a full insurrection left. the catelans remember Franco, they do not want to repeat that.

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chubbar Reptil Tue, 10/10/2017 - 16:10 Permalink

I agree that the fix is in, delay works in Spains favor. If they send in the troops then it's either Catalons fight or spend the rest of their lives sucking the cock of the army soldier standing guard on the street corner. Bet they wish they had a 2nd amendment clause in their founding document at this point.

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lucitanian Occident Mortal Tue, 10/10/2017 - 17:10 Permalink

"Now Spain and the EU will throw the kitchen sink at crushing the independence movement and Catalan politicians will slowly be bought off with cheap bribes and blackmailed."And they will fail.You're talking about millions of people putting their will back in the box. It won't work. They won't go away. And the more drastically their freedom and self-determination is suppressed by a central government the greater they will resist, and the greater will be the support from others seeking independence and freedom.Of course, Madrid and the EU Commission don't want to see this happen, but the people of Europe are getting more than pissed off with their castrated central governments and authoritarian federalists in Brussels.At the end of the day it will be the people who decide, or it will be tyranny.This is a wake up call to all Europeans, whether seeking separatism, regional autonomy, or just a voice that counts in a democratic Europe...... The reaction of Rajoy's government, and the EU commission, will tell us how deep we are already into tyrannical autocracy.

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JohnGaltUk Reptil Tue, 10/10/2017 - 15:51 Permalink

They may seem right wing using a EU ruler but hell I have even heard Labour blame capitalism for the UK's woes.I am like, hell when can you remember the UK practice capitalism, not in my life time!! In fact when Britain practiced capitalim we use to rule the 7 seas but then we became weak when we started trading in our freedoms for free dentures from the NHS.There is no difference between Pyramids and NHS hospitals when adding up human suffering and lives.

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Reptil JohnGaltUk Tue, 10/10/2017 - 16:34 Permalink

Hmm I don't agree. Why? Because people are an asset in a country. If you don't keep them in good health, if you don't educate them well, they will become a burden. Dumbing them down, destroy their future, to favour a small group of "elite" would work for some time, but you can't build an empire on that. Empires are like a farm, every animal plays a role. Humanity (unless we shake ourselves loose and evolve to something smarter) is organized right now like a farm. Freedom is a relative concept in this. (what irks me personally to no end)But back to Spain: A model with a top heavy feudal society, that's not the best way of running even a country. This can be seen from the cold war period, or the post Franco period until the turn of the century. Because there was a competing ideology (totalitarianism posing as communism) in the cold war, the citizens were wooed with relative wealth and education. This resulted in an economic development. Same as the post Franco era: the nineties were the period when this empire of the EU was built. After say... 2001 they screwed up.After this was competition was eliminated, the globalists thought they would own the world. They invested wrong because of greed and then covered that up with some bullshit austerity. They live in lavish palaces with more wealth than ever before possible. But nature favours the efficiënt. The healthy, the smart. Nature doesn't give a shit about one or two generations of wealth. It won't end well.

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Reptil Xredsx Tue, 10/10/2017 - 16:44 Permalink

Soros is a vulture, waiting for the EU to break up, so he can make another few bilions. That's why he is gaming this thing. Also he hates europe, europeans everything on that continent. Just like George Friedman (STRATFOR). The psyche of these men was damaged during the war. And yes, I agree. That is the point I made 4 years ago. As there is more centralisation, the natural counterreaction will be smaller organisations. As the nation states dissolve into the EU (without them telling the citizens, or asking for permission) there's a chance for regions like Catalunia to break free of the bonds of Madrid. It's now or never. And if they EU doesn't back them up, they'll break with the EU as well. That's what some people there told me. It's fairly logical.

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Reptil thesonandheir Tue, 10/10/2017 - 15:26 Permalink

@thesonandheir OF COURSE the EU will back their guys in Madrid. Frans Timmermans said: "However, it is of course a duty for any government to uphold the rule of law and this sometimes does require the proportionate use of force.", I admire your positve expectiations but apparantly, there's some things you don't know about the EU yet. please let me assure you, there is an iron fist of fascism, behind the velvet glove of neo-liberalism.Let me explain: In the "explanatory notes" which were published some years after the Treaty of Lisbon was signed, it turned out that the EU considers it legal to kill people: "(c) in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.”.… classic bait and switch. Build an empire without imperialism (Barroso) then switch to a brutal enforcement of austerity (which is what this conflict is about, money and power).The EU would rather have Barcelona burn to the ground, than they leave and set an example for all those countless other national groups, who suffer the same "austerity" bullshit. Also see this. THEY WERE WARNED !!!!!! (please use subtitles on the youtube)Also.. you can't negotiate with fascists. They'll now remove the regional government, have the officials arrested, and that is it.How the (mostly peaceful) catelans will react, I don't know. They've showed consideral stamina. 

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Reptil JohnGaltUk Tue, 10/10/2017 - 16:21 Permalink

For some reason my browser doesn't want me to upvote, but I agree. In this case, violence will not bring the EU together.The "leadership" are corrupt arseholes (Timmermans got this job after fooling the dutch sheeple about MH-17) but they're not equipped to build a real empire.To do that, there must be incentives. Instead some region (a small country effectively) wants to leave the farm, but can't. So the farm has a door that opens to one side.The "incentive" for the catelans is more austerity, because of "saving the banks". (Of course they played their part in the wild period of wrong spending before 2010) I think the amound of corruption and abuse of power is corresponding to the distance between citizens and representatives, but the EU was never a "people's union". That was a mistake. We're at the end of the consumer economy cycle and if people are not involved, they will become an uncontrollable element.Please see this? It's quite good: out

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