Madrid Gives Catalonia 5 Day Ultimatum To Clarify If It Declared Independence

With Spain’s prime minister having opened earlier in the day the path for Madrid to use a constitutional “nuclear option” to suspend Catalonia’s autonomy, demanding that the regional government makes clear whether it considers itself independent, moments ago Spain's Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy gave Catalan President Carles Puigdemont a five day ultimatum to clarify whether he actually declared the region's independence in his speech devoted to the highly controversial referendum, and another 3 to "rectify it."

Spain’s leader said that it’s important for Catalonia’s leader to get his answer right on whether he declared independence or not. Rajoy, addressing Spain’s parliament, says that that Catalan president Carles Puigdemont “just needs to say he didn’t declare independence.”

The latest development comes after Rajoy said earlier on Wednesday that the cabinet of ministers asked for clarification on the issue of autonomous region's independence.  As reported earlier, Rajoy decided to take the first step towards triggering Article 155 of the Spanish constitution, which would give Madrid previously unused powers to take control of Catalonia’s regional government, after an emergency cabinet meeting on Wednesday.

Rajoy said his formal request for clarity was “necessary when activating Article 155” and would dictate the next steps in the crisis to “offer certainty to the citizens”.

Using Article 155 to suspend Catalan autonomy would deepen the constitutional crisis in Spain since Catalonia held a contested referendum on independence on October 1. Spain’s government says Catalonia’s independence drive is unconstitutional.

The prime minister also said that the "illegal referendum"  has failed, adding that Catalan authorities lack the legitimacy to propose a unilateral declaration of independence. He underlined that the vote undermines our democracy, Spanish unity and the Statute of Catalonia.

Meanwhile, as AP reports, there were signs that the government was trying to take some steps to de-escalate the situation. Pedro Sanchez, the head of the opposition socialists, said on Wednesday that his party and the ruling centre-right PP party had agreed to talks to renegotiate laws governing regional autonomy.

He said there would be six months of talks on reforming the constitution, followed by a debate in parliament, adding that his party wanted a constitutional reform to “allow for Catalonia to remain a part of Spain”.

Also on Wednesday, Puidgemont told CNN his regional government is prepared to have talks on independence without preconditions with Spain. To date, Carles Puigdemont has repeatedly said that the right to self-determination must be on the table in any talks. Spain, in turn, says it can’t discuss an independence referendum as it goes against the constitution.

Puigdemont said Wednesday that Spain and Catalonia should “have no prior conditions to sit down and talk.”

Separately, European Commission vice-president Valdis Dombrovskis said that Catalonia’s separatist authorities have appealed to Brussels to help mediate with Madrid but Mr Rajoy has not sought EU help.

“The commission is following closely the situation in Spain, and reiterates its earlier call for full respect of the Spanish constitutional order,” he said. “We are supporting the efforts to overcome division and fragmentation, to ensure unity and respect of the Spanish constitution.”

Late on Tuesday, Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont asked for the mandate to declare independence from Spain, saying millions of voters supported the idea. However, he said that the effect of the independence declaration was suspended to continue talks with Madrid.  Alfonso Dastis, Spain’s foreign minister, said Puigdemont’s speech amounted to a “trick to say one thing and do the opposite”, without giving further details of the government’s plans.


Crazy Or Not Rapunzal Wed, 10/11/2017 - 14:53 Permalink

You'd be correct refering to beltway rules of politik. Same may be true in Europe.Rajoy and Co. are fully signed up serfs to Opus Dei / Papists for example. What's likely to happen in next days?Thursday is el dia de la Hispanidad - A day of the armed forces....My take: Puigdemont will hold his ground, Rajoy will go to brink, may or may not trigger 155.If he does take over Catalan Government the response will be continious 5 day strikes, possibly rolling strikes.IBEX will hit the floor. Euro not far behind. Soros will be rubbing hands in glee, and agitate next wound to send his Hyeenas to.EU will blow a fuse and send "dialogue posse " with haste.Zh'ers will BTFD.

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Don Diego Crazy Or Not Wed, 10/11/2017 - 15:17 Permalink

strikes like last one? with the undergound railway working and just the civil service workers striking because they were promised a day off with pay? LOL, eventually Spain, who controls the Catalan bank accounts, has substracted the day off from the pay. Next strike will be a bigger flop than the last one. At most the Catalibans will manage to close by force some shops of downtown Barcelona.

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Don Diego Crazy Or Not Wed, 10/11/2017 - 17:20 Permalink

don't be mad at me if you believed their lies LOLZ. Hey, what about your 800 martyrs? has any of them been released from hospital? feel free to post youtubes of the hospital yards full of Martyrs. Also do not forget the youtubes with those 17 km of bumper to bumper buses need to transport that  Pro-Spain crowd.

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Don Diego youngman Wed, 10/11/2017 - 14:22 Permalink

the midday pause is normally just two hours, from two to four. However, the shops stay open till later, normally 7 pm to 8pm. At the end it is the same working hours, but with a midday pause to avoid the worst heat of the day. It is great if you work close to home as you can eat at home and have a nap (that provides a lot of health benefits). However, with the increased urbanisation, people are working far from home and those two hours for lunch is a waste of time, therefore many companies have adopted a 9 to 5,30 pm shift with just half an hour to eat.

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freedom1798 youngman Wed, 10/11/2017 - 15:26 Permalink

I wanted to go to a bank in the afternoon in Italy many years ago.  Closed 1-4.  It was the time when vendors were giving out candy as change because they didn't have enough coins.  I got some bogus bills from American Express.  They were high denomination.   I told my cute girlfriend to go to a different bank and get smaller bills.  It worked.  Italy was fun back then.

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nmewn Wed, 10/11/2017 - 12:48 Permalink

Independent nations are not obligated to submit to "requests" and definitely not demands. Tell them to go fuck themselves. 

syzygysus Wed, 10/11/2017 - 12:54 Permalink

Catalan:  I fart in your general direction!King: Is there someone else up there we could talk to? Catalan: No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a! King: Now, this is your last chance. I've been more than reasonable. Catalan: Fetchez la vache

Son of Captain Nemo Wed, 10/11/2017 - 13:14 Permalink


You should be ashamed of yourself (…)

If this has anything to do with Crimea we collectively KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T. Just like it didn't for Yugoslavia - Serbia and Croatia, North and South - Vietnam or North and South Korea. The Anglo-Zionists ARE IN THE WRONG and EVERYBODY KNOWS IT INCLUDING "THEM"!

I'm beginning to suspect that Syria is also a pawn on your chess board that (undeniably) is being given your assistance but all the while taking incremental tactical steps while making deals with your enemies to enrich yourself and at a terrible cost like pulling your air support early in the fight for Aleppo now Raqqa and Deir Ez Zor which saw and still sees the suffering of so many innocent lives.

And just like 9/11 and it's subsequent "official investigation" where you could have seized the day raising question(s) that no one else would touch like China and India (who were in on it) you stayed silent and even opened routes through your borders to allow "Amerikansky" to rape Afghanistan for money based on that lie!

I realize that you're faced with many dilemmas and circumstances with an enemy like ours here in the U.S. that is absolutely beyond insane -but when is enough "enough"?!!!

D503 Wed, 10/11/2017 - 13:00 Permalink

Catalonia responded, "Were you beating our people with sticks as they voted almost unanimously 'yes?' Then you have your answer, why wait five days? To assemble the troops?"