1 Kilo Gold Futures Start Trading On Hong Kong Merc

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Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:11 | 1285414 Rynak
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So, what's the good news? *looks around*

EDIT: Okay, the article has now been edited. Competition, okay. In the previous article, all the usual big players were onboard, including JPM. So, my naive question is this: Besides of margin handling, what will stop those players doing what they did and still do on comex?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:21 | 1285555 dlmaniac
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When will they get silver trading started next?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:22 | 1285559 Concentrated po...
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as soon as wen jibao has gotten his "consensual" BJ from Blythe...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:24 | 1285568 dlmaniac
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I heard BM is barely up to what DSK demands.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:23 | 1285577 Concentrated po...
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Wed, 05/18/2011 - 03:27 | 1286276 MisterMousePotato
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Wait?!? A kilogram of gold? Isn't that, like, a lot?

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 09:52 | 1286744 Urban Redneck
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32.15oz,  roughly 1/3 of a 100oz bar, or 1/12 of a std delivery bar.  Opens the delivery door to a lot more players both physically and economically.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:21 | 1285775 Missiondweller
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Don't know why someone would junk you, seems like a damn good question.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:49 | 1285415 XenoFrog
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You must be this tall to ride...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:51 | 1285428 TooBearish
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Ty- any chance you have the BBG symbol for said contract?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:52 | 1285434 Tyler Durden
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Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:03 | 1285472 The Feds Connection
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Got a great piece lined up. I know i am not a longtime member, but how can i submit an article for reviewing? Thanks in advance

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:09 | 1285505 tickhound
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Post it here, first.  This is fight club after all.  Let some get their licks in and see if you get up.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:22 | 1285575 The Feds Connection
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By The Feds Connection

Dominique Strauss-Kahn is effectively finished as a political force, even if he doesn’t draw a guilty verdict in New York, where a 32-year-old maid says she was attacked and forced to perform oral sex on him.

He’s finished as IMF chief and his candidacy against Sarkozy also looks to be in ruins.

The IMF chief certainly has enemies in high places who will be cheering his predicament. He had recently broke-free from the "party line" and was changing the direction of the IMF. His road to Damascus conversion was championed by progressive economist Joesph Stiglitz in a recent article titled "The IMF's Switch in Time". Here's an excerpt:

"The annual spring meeting of the International Monetary Fund was notable in marking the Fund’s effort to distance itself from its own long-standing tenets on capital controls and labor-market flexibility. It appears that a new IMF has gradually, and cautiously, emerged under the leadership of Dominique Strauss-Kahn.

Slightly more than 13 years earlier, at the IMF’s Hong Kong meeting in 1997, the Fund had attempted to amend its charter in order to gain more leeway to push countries towards capital-market liberalization. The timing could not have been worse: the East Asia crisis was just brewing – a crisis that was largely the result of capital-market liberalization in a region that, given its high savings rate, had no need for it.

That push had been advocated by Western financial markets – and the Western finance ministries that serve them so loyally. Financial deregulation in the United States was a prime cause of the global crisis that erupted in 2008, and financial and capital-market liberalization elsewhere helped spread that “made in the USA” trauma around the world....The crisis showed that free and unfettered markets are neither efficient nor stable." ("The IMF's Switch in Time", Joseph Stiglitz, Project Syndicate)

So, Strauss-Kahn was trying to move the bank in a more positive direction, a direction that didn't require that countries leave their economies open to the ravages of foreign capital that moves in swiftly--pushing up prices and creating bubbles--and departs just as fast, leaving behind the scourge of high unemployment, plunging demand, hobbled industries, and deep recession.

Strauss-Kahn had set out on a "kinder and gentler" path, one that would not force foreign leaders to privatize their state-owned industries or crush their labor unions. Naturally, his actions were not warmly received by the bankers and corporatists who look to the IMF to provide legitimacy to their ongoing plunder of the rest of the world. These are the people who think that the current policies are "just fine"  because they produce the results they're looking for, which is bigger profits for themselves and deeper poverty for everyone else.


This is an excerpt of the first alinea's, deleted title for the moment.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:41 | 1285643 Ray1968
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Ain't Google a bitch?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:46 | 1285666 Cognitive Dissonance
Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:57 | 1285711 tmosley
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It never struck you they might be the same person?

People use different handles on different sites sometimes.  Sure I don't, but that is because I am stupid and let people cyberstalk me for some reason.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:11 | 1285743 Cognitive Dissonance
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Yes it did strike me. That was why I offered the courtesy of asking if s/he was the original author, a Mike Whitney in fact. As opposed to accusing the person of hijacking someone else's work.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:11 | 1285752 tmosley
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lol, I read the first reply and that somehow colored my perception of your post.

Sorry about that. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:26 | 1285783 The Feds Connection
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It is, also on http://www.counterpunch.com/whitney05162011.html which is my primary platform.

I have taken an interest in zerohedge recently as i have received alot of e-mails suggesting i should visit this website. Tyler might be interested to receive a copy aswell before it is published online.


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:32 | 1285809 tickhound
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Way to get up swingin', Mike. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 23:07 | 1285903 Dapper Dan
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Welcome Mr. Whitney, I have read many of your articles from Counter Punch over the last year and a half and very much enjoyed them.   It would seem we are like minded. Out of curiosity how long have you been a fight club spectator?


For the ZH Crew

From your April 11 2011 article about Bernanke strikes again.

Mike Whitney  QE2 was never intended to lower unemployment. Bernanke has been pulling the wool over our eyes from the get go. The real goal was to buoy stocks with the hope that inflated asset prices would increase the "wealth effect" and trigger another credit expansion. But that hasn't happened because consumers are deleveraging and are still up to their eyeballs in debt.  So, QE2 has just turned out to be more corporate welfare for Wall Street; another handout to the folks who blew up the financial system.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 04:17 | 1286297 A Man without Q...
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The question is whether DSK was pushing a more radical change at the IMF in order to further his chances of beating Sarkozy?  Although I support any plans to reform the IMF, I do doubt the sincerity of DSK - does this matter? 

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 07:33 | 1286415 spanish inquisition
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Odds are we will never know about his sincerity or motivation. I was listening on BBC that he is housed in an empty wing and on suicide watch.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:31 | 1285617 tickhound
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tl dr

jk!  See?  Its fun!

"Naturally, his actions were not warmly received by the bankers and corporatists who... plunder of the rest of the world. These are the people who think that the current policies are "just fine"

Naturally, certain people like to keep certain things a certain way... or else.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:47 | 1285852 nmewn
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Well, at least you self identified.

I, for one, look forward to the exchange of philosophy & ideas to be judged on the merits.

I hope to see you as a contributor, welcome to Fight Club ;-)

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 23:34 | 1285956 Double down
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Good stuff!  Here is your first junk 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:04 | 1285476 TooBearish
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IXCQ1 is BBG for august contract ...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:40 | 1285827 JW n FL
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Fuck Um Up Bear!!!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:56 | 1285450 DocLogo
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game on

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:56 | 1285454 The Gold Theory
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Now all they need is a Max Chong pushing them to buy gold to crash the fed.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:06 | 1285456 tickhound
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Interesting to see these two ponzi trade with one another.

Regardless... bearish for $ hegemony.

Poor Fed lovers.  And things were going so well with the 3% hollywood $ rally and all...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:00 | 1285457 binky
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The good news is that maybe this contract will be manipulated less (or not at all) and gold (with increasing volatility) will become a more suitable hedge against US Treasury Bonds. 



Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:01 | 1285477 Rynak
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Besides of margins, how much manipulation can happen would depend on the rules - are they much different to comex?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:05 | 1285467 Cognitive Dissonance
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That said, now that PM futures fragmentation is starting, we expect that within 2 years we will have various deranged HFT algos trading tonnes of gold, quote stuffing globally, and otherwise creating one of the most volatile trading environments imaginable.

Military doctrine. During war or the critical time leading up to (or winding down from a losing) war, if you can't control something, destroy it. Since PMs are the arch enemy to fiat and because they are losing control of it, expect them to try everything they can to destroy it's reputation as a wealth preservation refuge of last resort. Do that by making it extremely volatile, driving people away from that terribly unreliable and frighteningly unpredictable Gold and Silver.

The process started a while back with Silver.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:04 | 1285489 silvertrain
Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:15 | 1285528 johny2
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precious melons

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:13 | 1285521 Confuchius
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The always fatal flaw of control freaks of whatever stripe is hubris.

The pathetic delusion that everything, everywhere can always be "controlled".

That delusion has spelt the demise of every empire, fiat currency and army the world has ever known.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:04 | 1285470 GOSPLAN HERO
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Asia loves PM!

I like it.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:19 | 1285547 Oracle of Kypseli
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We do too.

CD's assertion does not apply to physical as during volatility, the smart ones will BTFD. That will accentuate the uptrend as more physical goes out of circulation 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:29 | 1285587 Cognitive Dissonance
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All I am asserting is that they will try to destroy Gold and Silver's reputation. I did not say they would succeed. I said....

....expect them to try everything they can.....

Regardless of success or failure, volatility will scare off some people, thus buying the fiat Ponzi a bit more time.

When facing total annihilation and complete loss, the idea of only suffering a partial loss, even if it is delusional and it means even more people will suffer because the collapse will be drawn out, looks very appealing.

We are, after all, dealing with sociopaths here.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:52 | 1285682 Bay of Pigs
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Not to mention the Peak Troll activity we've seen here and elsewhere on the PM's lately. It is nearly all fear based.

I know I've never seen anything close to this in the last 12-15 years I've been following gold and silver. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:20 | 1285769 Fiat2Zero
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There's some serious "Masters of the Universe" panic going on. Fire in the COMEX.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 02:00 | 1286170 akak
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It is also interesting to note, as others have here recently as well, that the entire focus of the anti-PM, pro-bankster trolls used to be gold, but has dramatically and virtually completed shifted to silver as of late.  Methinks that somebody is seriously running scared.

In other news, it appears that MethMan has taken a short-term sabbatical from ZH, in order to finish up some graduate courses at Troll U.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:21 | 1285776 Fiat2Zero
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The additional $1-$2 swing (down) in silver prices may have bought them a few weeks.

It may actually speed things up though since the artificial low brings in the volume buyers to scoop things up.

My local coin dealer, who I buy gold and silver from just has a few 100 oz englehards, and a funny old box of "assorted 1 oz rounds": Buffalos and things like USS Arizona commemorative coins that look like they've seen action.

He's seriously cleared out down to just the junk drawer.

Oh that and I got a tiffany sugar pot (at melt, sterling), and almost bought a silver serving tray with Condoleeza Rices name on it (as well as a bunch of other famous people).

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:42 | 1285834 tiger7905
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Some more from Casey's on silver supplies.


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 23:13 | 1285907 Rynak
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When facing total annihilation and complete loss, the idea of only suffering a partial loss, even if it is delusional and it means even more people will suffer because the collapse will be drawn out, looks very appealing.

What people call "egoism" always has first been concerned with others losing, and secondly with oneself gaining. Phrased another way, it is more about others having less, than it is about oneself gaining. It's not restricted to economics but a generic psychological thing. People with this mindset will prefer oneself gaining little and the other losing little, over both gaining much - heck, they will even prefer oneself losing little and the other losing much, over an actual gain. Their illusion of winning mainly comes from comparing their resulting situation to the opponent, instead of comparing actual gains. In the big picture (both time and space), what people call "egoism" really is much closer to "sadism", rather than "only being concerned with one's own gain".

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 00:34 | 1286047 Oracle of Kypseli
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@ CD


What I meant was that they can easily discourage and drive away paper players on margin, but it's more difficult to discourage physical buyers who can use a bear raid as an opportunity to buy more coins or bars.


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:19 | 1285552 Oracle of Kypseli
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