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12 American Warships, Including One Aircraft Carrier, And One Israeli Corvette, Cross Suez Canal On Way To Red Sea And Beyond
Arabic newspaper Al-Quds al-Arabi reports that 12 American warships, among which one aircraft carrier, as well as one Israeli corvette, and possibly a submarine, have crossed the Suez Canal on their way to the Red Sea. Concurrently, thousands of Egyptian soldiers were deployed along the canal to protect the ships. The passage disrupted traffic into the manmade canal for the "longest time in years." The immediate destination of the fleet is unknown. According to Global Security, two other carriers are already deployed in the region, with the CVN-73 Washington in the western Pacific as of May 26, and the CVN-69 Eisenhower supporting operation Enduring Freedom as of May 22. It is unclear at first read what the third carrier group may be, but if this news, which was also confirmed by the Jerusalem Post and Haaretz, is correct, then the Debka report about a surge in aircraft activity in the Persian Gulf is well on its way to being confirmed. There has been no update on the three Israeli nuclear-armed subs that are believed to be operating off the coast of Iran currently.
From the original article, translated by Google and Zero Hedge:
Shipping sources in the city of Suez on Friday have said that 12 U.S. warships, including a giant Israeli warship, have crossed the Suez Canal in the early hours of dawn on Friday, en route to the Red Sea coast, at the same time as the channel has seen large numbers of soldiers. According to sources and eyewitnesses 'The Suez Canal traffic was disrupted for hours in the morning during the crossing of U.S. Navy, which includes a giant aircraft carrier, soldiers, ships and infantry, armor and ammunition, coming from the Mediterranean Sea on its way to the Red Sea'. The sources revealed that many merchant ships were disrupted outside the channel until the completion of the Navy passage, which observers said was one of the longest since several years. The sources added that the movement of fishing boats in the Bitter Lakes and Lake Gator and navigation between the two shores of the Suez Canal over the Peace Bridge and ferries of individuals and vehicles may be stopped completely.
Egypt deployed thousands of soldiers on both sides of the Suez Canal for insurance; witnesses said 'The Israeli warships were seen among the U.S. warships but official sources have not confirmed the information'.
Maj. Gen. Amin Radi Secretary of the Committee on National Security in the People's Assembly made an exclusive statement to to Al Quds Al Arabi, that the "decision to declare war on Iran is not easy, but Israel was known for her Beslvha and Arabdtha may provide to the war in order to maintain its leadership in the region as nuclear weapons are the only deterrent."
Radhi said, 'should be the scourge of Israel tend to be left a free hand should be forced by the international community to disarm its nuclear weapons before calling for strike on Iran'. In a related development, the opposition warned from various that the Egyptian regime that allows a repeat of the historica mistake when opening the Suez Canal to cross the fleet-American attack on Iraq in this context, Abdullah said Alsnanwi editor of 'Arab Nazareth' for 'Al Quds Al Arabi' that 'the Egyptians will not stand idly by this time they see the system of government in a major scandal in coordination with Israel and America to open the Suez Canal to attack Iran and Islam." He expressed surprise at the crossing of a huge number of American battleships, along with an Israeli sub carrying nuclear warheads, and wondered, what is the secret channel those huge numbers of warships to the Gulf, and he believed the difficulty to enter the U.S. facing big problems in Afghanistan and Iraq to open a front with Iran.
For his part, the leader of the Brotherhood warned of the consequences of a strike on Iran, stressing that accept the Arab and Muslim world such a thing is unacceptable and should not be silent if the masses bowed to the will of the governments in Washington and Tel Aviv.
The international media has pointed to the direction of an Israeli nuclear submarine model 'Dolphin' carry nuclear warheads and warships to the Gulf region in light of tensions with Iran.With Iran warned Friday that any act against the interests of the Iranian people, legal and legitimate will result in legal response and appropriate action by Iran, said U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday that U.S. intelligence that indicates that it is likely to possess Tehran the ability to attack Europe ' tens or even hundreds of rockets' taken into account in the Government's decision to modify the Obama system for missile defenses. The United States has cited the growing threat of Iranian missiles when it announced in September (September) last plans to integrate missile defenses at sea and ashore in the member states of NATO in Europe and around the States in what was dubbed 'adaptive phased approach'. Gates said in a hearing on Congress 'among the elements of information that contributed to the decision to approach the interim adjustment to recognize that if Iran actually launched a rocket attack on Europe would not be just a missile or two or a few. He added, 'but is likely to be attacked with a barrage of missiles because of its potential to deal with tens or even hundreds of rockets'.
We have submitted a query to Hillary Clinton for confirmation, in advance of her meeting with Israel defense minister Ehud Barak, who flew in to the US on Saturday for meetings with the former first lady, as well as Robert Gates and Chairman of the JCS Mike Mullen. And yes, the Joint Chiefs of Staff don't really get involved in high level "diplomacy" all that often.
Update: it appears the Aircraft Carrier crossing the Suez is almost certainly CVN-75 Harry Truman, which until recently was in the Mediterranean according to Stratfor. According to Wikipedia, "the super carrier can accommodate approximately 80 aircraft." For some more curious information on the Truman, click here.
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The current lot of Persians have been infected by Islam. Zoastrianism was wiped out by force, and replaced with a somewhat kookier Islam than the original, with loads of special Imams and extra traditions, each one more contrived than the next. Luckily the persians still celebrate a bunch of their own native, non-islamic traditions too, in defiance of their retarded theocracy.
Dont tell me: and in the US, Christianity swept out own native, non christian traditions.
Nice!
Regarding the MP, we got key insights for that from the Germans.
John_Coltrane, Lucky for those stupid muslim Pakistani's that they are to understand your line of reasoning... Otherwise they could have developed nuclear weapons.
yeah thats right pierre, get in there and smash those iranians. with their not invading any country for over 200 years, signatories to nuclear non proliferation treaty and a genuine desire to see peace and justice in the middle east. these guys deserve a smashing. lets send a few more thousand US troops to their death fighting jewish wars you stupid fuck.
Israel will fight to the last defending its freedom.
Israel will fight to the last American.
+ 10000
+ 10000
Really? Which Americans would those be? Please enumerate unit numbers, etc.
The Israelis can take care of themselves. In case you haven't noticed, they have been doing it quite capably for 50+ years, since 1948, the first time the Arabs tried to wipe them out.
ok, we get it. you're jewish.
Actually, that would be wrong.
"Until 2003, Israel received approximately one-third of the annual US foreign aid budget.
In 2005, the US gave Israel more than $2.6 billion in aid, a budget exceeded only by US aid to Iraq.
By comparison, Jordan received $683.6 million, Rwanda received $77 million, and the Occupied
Palestinian Territories received $348.2 million.
The US also lends money to Israel, but these loans are frequently waived before any repayments are made. The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs has estimated that from 1974-2003 Israel benefited from more than $45 billion in waived loans from the US."
http://knol.google.com/k/the-financial-cost-of-american-support-to-israel#
optimator,
+1000
Israel Will Never Be Destroyed....nor will it be defeated.(with, or without our help).
Anyone old enough here to have been around in '67, saw a miracle,even if it went over your head........and it wasn't a coincedence.
Just as the Arabs wealth and prosperity is no accident,it was/is as promised.
"May you live in interesting times"...............well, we have that one down for sure.
IMHO, we have entered the time of Jacobs Troubles................
Time to do some serious soul searching............
10^10
Optimator, I agree with you.
I am also jealous; you took the name I wanted.
"with their not invading any country for over 200 years"
So how does their financing of terrorism(e.g. Hezbo in Lebanon) throughout the middle east and beyond square with your characterisation of the brutal totalitarian theocracy you are talking about? Lebanon got thoroughly ruined by those assholes, and their reign of terror continues. I mean, what planet do you live on?
Say it right--it is Hezb'allah, the "Party of God". - Ned
Pedantic.
Terror, Terror, Terror... Give it up.. The Americans are the Terrorists along with Israel.. Everyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows it. Take that shit to another forum where people might entertain such ignorance.
"Ignorance", huh? Sounds like a difference of opinion, ass-wipe.
Couldn't have said it better Max Hunter
well said Hedge Jobs...
uh, wasn't there a bit of bother with poison gas and all in the 1980's? My capcha just said 2010 minus 1985 equals, let's see, oh that's 25.
but iraq started it!!!
- Ned
a Corvette is not a GIANT warship.
It was a little red corvette -- red with the blood of innocent Palestinians, British, Americans, Lebanese and Turks.
If this is true - and does indicate an American/Isreali Attack - then, we should expect mobilization of security type forces on American Soil - to quell any reaction by US Citizens. Is it possible that Halliburton rigged Deepwater to blow and leak- so that Coast Gaurd and other elements could be moved into place? We may- looking back from the actual event of a hit on Iran may look back on all co-incident occurences. In retrospect, it may be obvious that Halliuburton started the leak - and Goldman had sold large shares of BP a few weeks before - and Halliburton had bought out Cooty Booty a few weeks before. In the same way that there were a certain number of investors who made killings on shorting United Airlines, on 911 - this all could fall into a nice little script. I feel very bad for the US forces in Afghanistan - if we are hittting Iran now. Talk about the Girl Who kicked the Hornet's Nest.
I have been noticing a lot more national guard flights and trucks around lately. I am not by the gulf.
Kali,
well you can bet your ass, they aren't going to AZ,or the Southern Border.
What I want to know is why the Coast Guard would not let Skimmers in N O, help in their clean up.
Time for the states to tell the Gv't to get fk'd, and do what's in their interest.
If you are not here to help, get the Fk out of the way.
If I were Jindal, I would call out the Nat'l Guard.........he seems to be the only one there who gives a shit.
+ 10th Amendment DosZap.
Good for Jindal to do whatever he can.
Good for Gov. Brewer there in Arizona as well.
When our fed.gov screws up, let the individual states handle it.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1375.htm
Hmmm...
You know, ZH is a great website, maybe the best out there for an alternative take on the things we're fed from the MSM. I agree with many viewpoints and comments posted here.
BUT... there really is a lunatic fringe element here that is exposed on nearly any mention of war, deployment, GS, and other hot-button topics. Many of these outraged posts are later proven wrong or overblown and of course no one later writes their retraction. They just wait for the next morsel of news and then go off on their next knee-jerk rant.
This post is one of them. Do you have a sliver of proof - or even any circumstantial evidence - that Halliburton had anything at all to do with the oil spill? Of course you don't. Accidents do happen, people. ANY event can be seen as a covert attempt of some evil PTB to screw the "little guy" of the little he has I guess.
Crap like this lessens the legitimate concerns and questions raised here and other places and keeps ZH'ers in the "conspiracy theory nutjob" corner. It's too bad because there are some absolutely great posts here - and a lot of people who's opinions and viewpoints I value. This is a great website, but sometimes a second thought needs to be considered before offering another "putting the cart before the horse" reactions.
I don't know, I think I (and probably most) of us would like this to be considered a viable source of information and opinion.
"Crap like this lessens the legitimate concerns and questions raised here and other places and keeps ZH'ers in the "conspiracy theory nutjob" corner."
there are inquiring minds that would like to know(like most of us here)
there are those who don't want to know (and never visit here)
and those that don't want anyone to know( the obfusificators who occaisionally visit here to confuse those who would like to know)
The fist casualty in a war is the truth.
If you were to check thru most prosecutorial records, you would soon notice that the majority of felonies in the US begin with "Conspiracy to commit.....". Draw your own conclusions.
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by definition, apart from lone rangers almost all actual crimes must start life as a conspiracy.
bigdumbnugly,
BP has more safety violations on record than all of the other companies combined. Even the lame o Congress has evidence that they cut corners, used inferior designs, and failed to do certain tests, and used the information to make a circus out of it, hoping to look tough and get some points in the bank for reelection.
Sir, it was no accident. Another company pulled their people off the rig before the rig exploded, worried about the result they got. BP personnel are not so "cared about" by their company. 11 dead in the blast. They pressed to far into risk, their greed overcame common sense. And they have done it over and over all throughout the globe.
Mscreant
All you say there is true enough. That is the type of reasoned questioning this site is great for. But that's a far cry from inferring Halliburton wanted and caused this disaster to occur.
Did BP cut safety corners? Most undoubtedly so I believe. Maybe criminally so. But if I go riding my bike without a helmet and have an accident that causes a head injury - in the end it is still just that - an accident. (and one that could have easily been avoided - as this one was. The difference is that my accident affected me only - not the entire world. That's what makes it heinous).
Agreed that BP is to blame big time here for gross negilgence. The other companies that got off the rig probably did so because they knew it to be unsafe - not because they uncovered a conspiracy. I do not agree that it was a planned conspiracy to cause a global disaster, but that it was a terrible action committed by BP - one in which I hope they 1) can rectify, and 2) that they pay dearly for.
Not sure either is going to happen...
big,
Haliburton said BP used 6 of an(forgot the name,some sort of saftey device), when they would have used 21, of the same thing for a well at that depth.
And, they would NOT have drilled the well that way.As well as several other Big Oil leaders.
So it seems a short cut was used by BP...........at least by their consensus of opinions.
I still find it 'funny' that so much of the affected stock was sold off before the 'event'..
Yeah, the pro-Gazan whackos and the pro-Hizbollah "Party of God" (yeah, sure they are) nutcases that crawl out from under their rocks at the first whiff of controversy out of the Middle East, dripping with equal parts anti-semitism and anti-americanism really piss me off.
You want to debate policy? Fine, go ahead. Just keep your filthy prejudice to yourselves. Isn't six million dead Jews enough for you? Oh, yeah, I forgot. That was a conspiracy, too!!!
Give me a break drone.. Sure, we can debate as long as YOU get to decide the content.. Right.. as long as we "don't go there".. You are a piece of shit..
The next person that dies on the other side of the planet for U.S. and Israel wars should be YOU !
6 million Jews.. Give me a break.. It's already been officially revised at 2 work camps by over 2 million.. That's just what they admit to.. Who knows the real number, but what we do know, is how we ignore Jewish behavior because of it..
Yup, sure had you pegged. No need to argue with a brick wall.
As a result of the Ernst Zundel case here in Canada 20+ years ago and the resulting investigations, one by the Polish government, Auschwitz revised all of the on-site body count signs from 4 million to 1.5 million. The final number was reached, based on the number of sets of clothes found on site.
ok, we get it. you're quite jewish.
Not even close, not a drop of Jewish blood as far as I know. Mostly German, ironically. But since when do you have to be a Jew to defend their point-of-view?
by the numbers, more russians died from WWII than jews did. but does that really matter?
do you have even the slightest bit of objectivity to realize that using the holocaust of the 1940s as justification for the world's largest, modern, concentration camp known as the gaza strip is warped and twisted beyond reproach?
Fucking boys and their toys. It must be like the bumper boats at the water park over there.
Enough fucking war already. If I hear Israel and the US military's names mentioned in the same sentence again..... christ. The US government is out of fucking control.
Here is the killer-- this is our fault.
Ms., Are you an owner? Its their goal and their game, so its their "fault."
And there's no fault, because they know exactly where they are going and they are making outstanding progress.
Thanks for asking. I mean that we are subsidizing this military with our tax dollars and we are not holding them accountable for their actions. Many who voted for Obama were voting against war and instead of shutting it down, he parties on. They do it in our name, using our collectively stored wealth (actually committing future stored wealth, our treasure is gone already). WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN STOP IT, THUS IT IS OUR FAULT.
MsCreant
We can stop it, indeed, if we have the guts. But we are hardly financing it. The money is mostly borrowed now. Tax revenues are pathetic, and have been for several yeras.
Well, this is America. This is our freely elected government. WE are responsible. That's what democracy means. Bush and Obama are both American Presidents. Their actions are our actions.
The Chinese has an excuse, we don't. You can't laugh at the Chinese for their lack of democracy and turn around and say it's not our fault.
Totally true. You want a change? Vote it in. But Americans don't want change. Not really.
America is not a democracy. It is an illusion of a democracy. It provides talking points and ideals for others to follow.
Those ships were deployed to execute UN sanction against Iran, but the real war will follow by the end of this year or 1st half of next year. No much time left people, watch oil stocks closely.
Oil war could break out as early as Oct of this year, the reasons ZHers shall easily figure out.
Another war...... no problem.
Health care, Cap and Tax, Open borders, Bank Bailouts, Estate Tax, Vat Tax, Water Bottle Tax, Cash for Clunkers, Cash for Appliances, State Bailouts, Union Bailouts, Euro Bailouts, etc........
Our leaders are either extremely stupid or extremely evil. IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER.
No, there's another answer. Our leaders are just short-sighted. Not evil, and not stupid. Just looking at the wrong time-line
how about somewhat stupid, quite short-sighted and pretty darn evil? let's not be scholastic in our arguments.
Lucky,
It's the LATTER.............more damage has been done in the last 24 months to this country, than in it's previois 232 yrs.
it looks like the blood thirsty obama regime wants to waste more american blood on more wars of imperial aggression...the iranians better start stocking their bomb shelters...all of thost bombs on diego garcia have to go somewhere...too bad one of them isn't aimed at obama's ass.....
By singling out Obama, you reveal yourself as a partisan. America has been an empire for a very long time. It's really not about any particular president or party.
I agree with you that the corruption is bi-partisan but this administration is out of control. Obama refuses to even explainhimself truthfully to the voters. He is like an infomercial on TV with disclaimers that are too small and too quick. He is selling junk we don't need and can't afford. The only thing positive I can say about Bush is that I hate him less than Obama. That is as bipartisan as I personally can be. : )
It really comes down to style doesn't it? For me, Bush made me cringe and nearly vomit every time He opened his mouth. Obama- well, he's got class. Policy-wise, to be honest, is there a difference? Fuck no.
No way. Bush gave me "gross bumps", the goose bumps you get when you are really embarrassed for someone. Obama makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck and my flesh crawl. Both have the policy of screwing America, but don't you think that Obama's are a little more blatant?
Geez, talk about chosing your poison: I'll take cyanide, tastes like almonds. You may like arsenic, no accounting for taste I guess.
For me, the hardest part of all of this has been trying to be objective about what is actually happening. Honestly, I like Obama. I believe his heart is in the right place. But shit, I believed that about Reagan too.
I took too much hopium, and I am coming down. But not down GWB levels, not yet.
Just think how screwed we would be with that sell-out of a century mccain running the show
How do you think Lieberman, I mean he would have dealt with all this crap?
Anyone who believes in personal or economic freedom has few allies in our corpratist government.
I think we can agree on that, at least
It's been nearly a decade now. A decade of killing, of the disgusting expansion of imperial power.
A decade of a culture obsessed with murder and torture. A decade of waste, fraud, and abuse.
It's especially egregious with Lord Obama because of his brazen mendacity, and the obsequious behavior of the fading fascisti journalistic priesthood.
His actions demonstrate the crass illegitimacy of this force-and-fraud based system of imperial domination. He continues provocations that could cause the deaths of hundreds of millions or billions of people.
On the bright side, he's doing more to undermine his own government than any opposition movement could hope to accomplish in a century.
Any internal security service monitoring ZH ought to take note - no dissident could cause as much damage to the legitimacy of this regime as this leadership.
If you've seen any of my other posts, you'll know that I agree with you, in essence. The soapbox on which I generally stand is about people who take a partisan line, or bloviate in the failed rhetoric of the past, and the thoroughly useless political lexicon of the present.
It's bullshit. Left-right, repub-dem. It's meaningless. It's a false dialectic, and it's killing us.
It's not so much that I'm defending Obama, as defending the idea that we should have an honest dialogue.
I've said it before. Frankenstein has a left and right foot.
Indeed....and the brain of an animal
If I may add to the list of false dialectics: pro-Israel/pro-Palestinian (or Iranian or Arab or insert other non-Jewish Middle Eastern ethnic group here). Please consider the following two points...
-Fundamental view of the Universe is ultimately based upon special/chosen status and knowledge granted by their particular iteration of god
-Often uses special god status to justify doing all sorts of fucked-up shit to other people, each other, themselves, the environment, etc.
So which group am I talking about? Or am I talking about some different region of the world/fundamental belief system?
"You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-tuh,
You say Allah, I say Yahweh,
to-may-to, to-mah-tuh, Allah, Yahweh,
Let's call the whole thing off!"
Sing it with me...
Junk away if you must, junkers, but at least add some commentary about why you feel one justification mythology is better than another. Seriously.
although it is hideously wasteful, evil beyond words, tragic ...., the one-two punch of the bush and obama administrations (especially following the clownish clinton and his clownish prosecutors) must at some point, one would think, so delegitimize the governing elite of this country that more radical change becomes possible (cock-eyed optimist). that it is coincident with the internet and a deflationary depression gives it a turbo charge that, if the nuclear bombs can be contained, may just reach a tipping point.
Back up and really think about it.... its been half a century. I'll give JFK a mulligan because he wanted to abolish the fed (or at least I am told. I was 5 and vaguely remember the funeral on TV). From LBJ onward, its all been about laying the foundation to allow the clusterfuck we see now. Each puppet in the white house adding his brick to the edifice until now we are seeing the capstone on the pyramid and we realize what an impossible job it is to dismantle this beast. Fasten your seatbelts and return your seatback trays to the full upright position. From here to September will be the mother of all turbulence.
Apo, great use of the word mendacity. Methinks you may possibly have a British connection or at least schooled overseas.
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The US has never been an empire. This smear is pretty worn out. When we freed Cuba from Spain in 1898 we took over one Spanish colony , The Philippines, which Mark Twain raised holy hell about. We have always been the world's biggest sucker, rescuing countries who kicked sand in our face for thanks. France and Iraq are perfect examples.
"The US has never been an empire. This smear is pretty worn out."
Really? Since WWII,
700+ military bases in over 150 countries around the world
spend a more and more on "defense" (now yearly 5% of GDP) while millions go hungry and unemployed at home.
install puppet regimes who allow us to steal their country's wealth and employ indegenous peoples to fight our battles against their countrymen and neighbors
profit from international drug trade and the war on drugs
bend countries to our will under threat of bombing and/or sanction
import cheap labor (modern day slaves) while exporting manufacturing jobs
stage or take advantage of crisis to introduce or expand draconian laws meant to control the masses both at home and abroad
There are many concrete example of the above and much more too numerous to mention.
I suggest you read authors like John Perkins and Chalmers Johnson. It is a well known fact the U.S. is an empire and it's been our foreign policy to create one ever since the C.I.A. and other military industrial complex figures have hi-jacked political power in this country. We are only different from the Romans by the sophistication of our technology and propaganda.
For the WIN!
Spyware...to the list of authors add James W. Douglass. His book "JFK and the Unspeakable" Is an excellent read. He completely validates your thoughts. JFK had turned to peace..his reward was having his brains blown out for all to see. Quite the warning for any president that would choose to defy TPTB. I think they have a room at the White House that shows the Zapruder film for anyone who has second thoughts .
The Post WWII order was quite simple. The end of colonialism. The beginning of the United States as the role of global police. Dollar floats it. The Pentagon collects on it.
If any other countries want to change that order they negotiate. If they try their own method be prepared for a focused reaction.
If you're constructing your own little side bets, that means you France, you better make sure you don't fuck it up.
gdub,
IMHO, JFK got nailed for "Opting out" of the Fed.
By printing United States currency, & bypassing the Federal Reserve, it cost him his life.
You talk about a Cabal?...............there's your friggin Cabal.
He realized we did not have to pay interest on our own currency, and be charged for it at face value+interest.
He had an impromptu speech about a conspiracy against the USA, and he was going flush it into the open, wasn't but a short time after,he bought the big one Eisenhower warned us.............JFK warned us.
The Founders FORBADE it.................
Progressives/Socialists, Wilson & FDR,Johnson, fooked us.
And the BEAT GOES ON.
Along with JFK, there was Abraham Lincoln...
Sad...
Great Post, Spyware Free. The US is an empire in all but name. Smedley Butler, one of the most decorated Marines in US History, upon retirement made the following speech: War is a Racket.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0
Now this has to be the dumbest comment i've seen on ZH.. I really get discouraged when I read such ignorant drivel.. Because of this fool and others like him, i'm certain the U.S. and Israel have the confidence to continue their assult on humanity..
Too many testosterone fueled decisions...each side blames the other, but the insanity rages on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE9TNG8IQNI&feature=related
Stupid Carriers...big fraken turkeys. With modern weapons nowadays they will all be sunk within minutes of a "hot" war. Remember the China sub just "popping" up near the Kitty Hawk?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html
That sub didn't just pop up. They knew it was there, but judged it a bad idea to sink it. Aircraft carriers are a tad more formidable than you assume. There is a reason Russian torpedos have nuclear warheads. Modern defenses render most anti-ship weapons useless.
yes. the u.s.s. cole certainly proves that.
The Cole was in a foreign port at the time, not part of an operating battle group at sea.
Google up "Aegis". Or "Defense in Depth". Or "Wild Weasel". As long as you're not going to war with a major power, it is great to have aircraft carriers. Majors don't go to war with each other anymore, thanks to nuclear weapons.
Utterly wrong, but hey, have at it.
study some recent conflicts such as the Kargill War or the Faulkands War for a demonstration of naval air power. There's a reason that nations hang onto these and why India is trying to build and acquire 2 more.
And there is a reason that France has Charles de Gaul, even though she can't get out of port.
Areva reactors? I'll check.
- Ned
Standard 6 month carrier group rotation, same thing happened 6 months ago.
Truman battlegroup and um.. the other Norfolk based carrier are swapping duties.
Why is ZH posting the paranoid rantings of Al-Quds without doing the most perfunctory websearch to get the minimum three sentences of background info.
EDIT: OK, thanks for update.
Guzzling oil. What do you want? So much oil spilt all over the Gulf and recoved mixed with water. You want to use them, you need to find willing people to do so. The US army is a good candidate.
Whatsoever, it confirms the move of navy reported a month or so earlier on this site. The information was founded.
so................mother do ya think they'll drop the bomb?
Buy stock in duct tape?
And while we're at it some actual duct tape!
At least 10 percent of your portfolio should be in physical duct tape. Anyone still holding paper duct tape at this point is an idiot.
Genius music
What have Faber & Celente been saying all along about desperate regimes being forced eventually to start wars?
Something about cornering wild animals...
He's right. The Iranians are desperate. They really have no way out. Trying to escort flotillas into Gaza is asking for a skirmish.
Off topic, but if a war starts and the Pentagon pushes the red "internet-off" button,
where do we go? Surely someone must have thought about this? If Obama c.s
wants to prohibit us from communicating, it is merely a flip-switch.
Imagine, no internet! Just the thought gives me eczema.
On the above "kill-switch":
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1287695/Obama-given-right...
That's a when not an if.
Wait for all this independent bottom up data to be cleansed from cyberspace when they restart with Internet 2 and Cloud Tech. You'll still be free to Twitteror ZH to your hearts content but there will be complete log of your participation.
The elites aren't going to stop. Educate, educate, educate. There should be a bloodless revolution by off the grid non-participation.
You say that like it's some kind of remote fucking future possibility.
Please read the fine print on the Cyber Security Act.
I'm not saying it's gonna be impossible to get around I'm just saying that uncensored access will be restricted to only the most determined.
Just in case of any eventuality that I may not have the opportunity to say this later:
It has been a pleasure to make your aquaintances. Not the trolls the rest of you.
Regards
It has been my great pleasure to have made your acquaintances as well here at ZH.
Even the trolls.
Best Regards and God help us.
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OK, I just said a proper goodbye in case they shut us down!
The last sentence was the best in the article:
"But come next year the Pres's power will be greatly diminished after the Primaries later this year."
Another way for Government stimulus into the economy and the best way to come out of a recession/depression....start a war. Tells me the economy is in alot worse shape than they want to admit...or perhaps that peace prize fell off the mantle?
War as a stimulus does not always work.
The whole idea of war is to compensate the cost by the loot. If you go at war with a cost higher than the loot, war is inefficient as a stimulus.
Once again, it is all about gangs.
This war is not so much a stimulus than a big effort to kick in the teeth an ascending rival gang.
The ganglord US wants to terminate competition. Therefore it is trying to eliminate every credible concurrent. China is probably the last of them, the only one that can credibly challenge the US as the world hegemon.
No other activity uses up manufactured goods a fast as war...and excess people when robots have replaced their jobs.
The world economy has painted itself into a corner. Too much manufacturing capacity, too much labor, too much capital so it seeks larger returns from the FIRE sector, which is imploding.
What options are left for the rentier class?
Human nature has not changed but the human's technology has. A war now is Mad Max material. Sad state of affairs.
War is indeed consumption. At large scale. Globalization has changed the deal. Never before in human history, a human society has been limited with no greater horizon. Always unknown (but real) space beyond the borders.
The resources are dwindling. War will only fasten up their consumption.
At present times, war is no longer as desirable as it used to be, at least from the western world's perspective.
I think I'm on the same page as Tom Barnett, China and the U.S. are natural partners in the next decades. Doesn't mean there won't be friction, but China needs to make like 25MM jobs/year to keep even. There is a reason that Theresa Kerry has huge stake in WalMart stock.
Chicago-land wants to terminate, but there are too many MBAs feeling today's financial pressures for that to happen. It is out of control.
- Ned
I'd feel better about "starting a war" if there were some adults in charge. The current gang in Washington has amply demonstrated that they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground and once these clowns get something going we'll probably be trading opinions on this site with the cockroaches.
Bernanke, Summers, and Geithner aren't invited to the war council.
papa,
I haven't seen any PROFITS on our Gv't tally sheet of late, on Iraq, or Trashcanistan..........
Back to the Founders..."Blood & Treasure"...........we LOSE.
Lets not forget those already paying the price in this conflict Shane Bauer, Sarah Shourd and Josh Fattal (three young Americans) have been detained without charge in Iran since July 31, 2009 whilst Iran decides how to "use" them.
http://freethehikers.org/
What a coincidence that the "three young Americans" hiking incognito in Iran with satellite communication devices happen also to be dual nationals, that is, "three young Israelis".
I find it disturbing that Zero Hedge regularly relays Debka's Israeli war-mongering psywar. As disturbing as the amount of zionist chicken-Hawks here eager to fight Israel's criminal wars to the last American, and to the last buck. It is about time treason becomes unfashionable again, as the stakes now are just too high.
It is also time for moral and decent Jews to stand up and condemn the Zionist entity aggressively; passivity and omission will be not forgiven when push comes to shove.
Firstly I cannot find any articles or publications that verify your claim that they were caught with "satellite communication devices" or that they had Israeli nationality...proof with links please? Please don't blend fact with fiction to justify your own narrative which seems firmly anti-Israeli, three lives are being effected here and international law is being ignored.
I also find the Debka stories a bit too much and at times blindly pro-Israeli. My own view is that Iran has a right to nuclear technology as a soveign state, MAD should be enough to contain them and with Israel and Pakistan both nuclear any military action by the West would be weakly justified.
Iran does not have a right to hold three people without trail or charges for close to one year....
*cough* Guantánamo?
Zionists are a political movement not the Jewish people. There are plenty of examples of Jewish people condemning Zionist actions although the Zionist controlled media and their global media brothers-in-arms barely reports it.
Real Jewish people want peace as much as the next decent person.
One thing I've noticed on this forum is that ANY reference to ethnicity that casts any jew in a negative light is immediately mass-junked.
Any mention of the monoethnicity of the financier class, the bankers, the proliferation in defense, neocons, or the Cabinet, any reference at all is instantly attacked.
Anyone who does not toe the "America = Israel" line that our foreign policy is necessarily and axiomatically coextensive with theirs is attacked.
There is NO credible explanation for our Israel policy other than what is suggested - that members of the Tribe have effectively hijacked our nation.
There is only one form of dual-citizenship that is permitted in this country, even though for all other countries one must unequivocally renounce any other citizenship.
Any guesses how many dual citizens are in the President's cabinet? How many are CFR boss? Etc.
It's important not to be myopic. It's important not to be prejudiced. But it's equally important to be aware and have frank discussions.
"There is only one form of dual-citizenship that is permitted in this country, even though for all other countries one must unequivocally renounce any other citizenship."
That is false.
Merchant is correct.
My wife has both Peruvian and American citizenship.
Nevertheless, she is required by U.S. law to renounce her Peruvian citizenship. That the law is violated does not mean it is not the law.
No, not correct. She is legally entitled to keep her old citizenship as well. She became a US citizen in Dec. 2008.
Means that I could become a Peruvian if this place ever gets bad...
Thanks for clarifying, that was a gross mistake on my part.
How many "moral and decent" Jews would still be alive without the "Zionist entity?" Jews have been targeting relentlessly throughout history for being Jews. Germans hunted down and killed doctors, lawyers, normal Jewish people who refused to leave Germany before that war, never believing that one of the most advanced countries in history would turn on them. Always a mistake to underestimate the engrained hatred and suspicion of Jews--much of which shows up in comments on this site.
Without Israel, many more would be dead. With Israel, they have a fighting chance. And as far as I can tell, every nation routinely uses whatever means is necessary to secure its survival. Why should Israel be any different?
Sam Thomas
I believe it was Benjamin Netanyahu who stated in a recent place that Israel is the most dangerous place in the world for a jew. What Irony...
SamThomas
Don't you think WWII is getting a little dated, what with WWIII around the corner, and all. I mean, retards were persecuted in Cambodia in the sixties, and that doesn't stop retards from flourishing today.
Ok, we get it. You're Jewish. You can give it a rest now.
Fuck you, you bigot. I am not a Jew but if it make you feel any better I will pretend to be one just so you can get your rocks off.
There was a saying associated with the establishment of Israel: "Never Again." WWII is a short time ago compared with "Never." While I hope that the Iranians are saner than their leader, the Israelis alone are the guarantors of their own survival and should act accordingly.
You batshit crazy.
Shy,
Why don't you type "Zionism" into Wikipedia, and tell us the definition.
The moral & decent Jews(American), as you call them, are finally starting to see the light.
I don't think the voting in Nov,& 2012, and /or the mindset of the American Jew, is going to be quite the same after this Admin, IF it ever goes away.
deep kim chi komlads
Good to know the Bilderberg conference had a purpose.
This should stimulate the economy ? n'est pas ?
This should stimulate the economy...
Also usually firms up an election...
What's the goal here? To surround Iran and slowly strangle it, provoking a reaction and then blowing it sky high? Or are the Israeli's going to launch a pre-emptive strike and the US will have to join in to "protect" mid-east security and oil routes.
Could be a 'no fly zone' will be set up around Iran, similar to what was done to Iraq for ten years after the first Gulf War. Combined with naval blockade of Iran this could touch off an Iranian counter attack or who knows what?
Maybe long oil on way out contracts...assuming that anyone will be around to settle contracts.
About 17 million barrels of crude oil pass the strait of hormuz everyday. Not to mention that there are critical oil pipelines and reserves there. Iran could possibly blowup vital infrastructure in retaliation, shutting up much of the world economy-providing a convenient excuse and deflection for the bankers and politicians.
An Iraq scenario is probably afoot.
Create starvation and health problems, rush in with the good excuse of freeing people from starvation and health problems.
As Mrs. Albright answered when asked about the half millions kids killed in Iraq due to this policy, it will be worth the price.
Ah yes, of course, it will be self inflicted. The very fact that the US and others are the ones applying the blockade is meaningless. The US does not have to stand up for their actions. The Iranians will have called it on themselves. The usual...
An embargo of Iran will work as well as the oil for food one did in Iraq. We're going in to protect Europe and it was they who exploited the Iraq one which ended in war. I say let the European take care of them selves. Israel that's another question, but to attack them now....might be the last straw for the economy
"but to attack them now....might be the last straw for the economy"
Another way to look at it is an 'attack on them now' would be a way for the US Pols to put the US on an official wartime footing, much like WW2, and get rid of SS/Medicare, start fuel rationing, food rationing, tire rationing, etc.
Anyone protesting these actions would be labled 'Anti American', so dissent would be squelched and the Pols would be cloaked in the flag.
The debt to GDP ratio, CPI, etc, would be lost in the fog of war. Destruction of manufacturing/labor overcapacity would be pretty much assured...in some countries.
Don't put anything past these people...they do not think like the average person.
Yes, they don't think like the average joe. They're sociopaths, their sole desire is increased power for themselves at the expense of anyone else. War has always been a racket, where great profits are to be made. When the elite argue, the poor die.
re: your "official wartime footing" remark, would that most citizens realised what went down after the nine eleven event. . .
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10473
no surprises that Obama quietly gave his government the same authority. . .guess that's part of what "continuity" means, eh.
This also explains the Arabs sudden desire for gold.
First of all, if we bomb Iran's nuke sites - it won't start a war. Iran has been at war with the US since the Ayatollah took over - they've been killing and murdering American's ever since. Hell, they've been working to develop missle platforms on freighters that they could smuggle to get close to the US coast - they don't have strategic ballistic capability. They have no qualms about killing US citizens and have aided AQ and Bin Laden ever since.... It's past time we started to fire back.
If they get the nuke - they will use it. Simply can't happen, they've given us and Israel no choice. I'm still not convinced nutless B.O. will attack his jihadi brothers but we can only hope. Otherwise, in another year, Ajhemnahahadiiiii (however the hell his name is spelled) will unleash the nukes to bring to fruition his apocalyptic vision of the 5th raghead prophet coming.
"They have no qualms about killing US citizens and have aided AQ and Bin Laden ever since.... It's past time we started to fire back."
Great point! but what do we do about the Iranians???