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12 American Warships, Including One Aircraft Carrier, And One Israeli Corvette, Cross Suez Canal On Way To Red Sea And Beyond
Arabic newspaper Al-Quds al-Arabi reports that 12 American warships, among which one aircraft carrier, as well as one Israeli corvette, and possibly a submarine, have crossed the Suez Canal on their way to the Red Sea. Concurrently, thousands of Egyptian soldiers were deployed along the canal to protect the ships. The passage disrupted traffic into the manmade canal for the "longest time in years." The immediate destination of the fleet is unknown. According to Global Security, two other carriers are already deployed in the region, with the CVN-73 Washington in the western Pacific as of May 26, and the CVN-69 Eisenhower supporting operation Enduring Freedom as of May 22. It is unclear at first read what the third carrier group may be, but if this news, which was also confirmed by the Jerusalem Post and Haaretz, is correct, then the Debka report about a surge in aircraft activity in the Persian Gulf is well on its way to being confirmed. There has been no update on the three Israeli nuclear-armed subs that are believed to be operating off the coast of Iran currently.
From the original article, translated by Google and Zero Hedge:
Shipping sources in the city of Suez on Friday have said that 12 U.S. warships, including a giant Israeli warship, have crossed the Suez Canal in the early hours of dawn on Friday, en route to the Red Sea coast, at the same time as the channel has seen large numbers of soldiers. According to sources and eyewitnesses 'The Suez Canal traffic was disrupted for hours in the morning during the crossing of U.S. Navy, which includes a giant aircraft carrier, soldiers, ships and infantry, armor and ammunition, coming from the Mediterranean Sea on its way to the Red Sea'. The sources revealed that many merchant ships were disrupted outside the channel until the completion of the Navy passage, which observers said was one of the longest since several years. The sources added that the movement of fishing boats in the Bitter Lakes and Lake Gator and navigation between the two shores of the Suez Canal over the Peace Bridge and ferries of individuals and vehicles may be stopped completely.
Egypt deployed thousands of soldiers on both sides of the Suez Canal for insurance; witnesses said 'The Israeli warships were seen among the U.S. warships but official sources have not confirmed the information'.
Maj. Gen. Amin Radi Secretary of the Committee on National Security in the People's Assembly made an exclusive statement to to Al Quds Al Arabi, that the "decision to declare war on Iran is not easy, but Israel was known for her Beslvha and Arabdtha may provide to the war in order to maintain its leadership in the region as nuclear weapons are the only deterrent."
Radhi said, 'should be the scourge of Israel tend to be left a free hand should be forced by the international community to disarm its nuclear weapons before calling for strike on Iran'. In a related development, the opposition warned from various that the Egyptian regime that allows a repeat of the historica mistake when opening the Suez Canal to cross the fleet-American attack on Iraq in this context, Abdullah said Alsnanwi editor of 'Arab Nazareth' for 'Al Quds Al Arabi' that 'the Egyptians will not stand idly by this time they see the system of government in a major scandal in coordination with Israel and America to open the Suez Canal to attack Iran and Islam." He expressed surprise at the crossing of a huge number of American battleships, along with an Israeli sub carrying nuclear warheads, and wondered, what is the secret channel those huge numbers of warships to the Gulf, and he believed the difficulty to enter the U.S. facing big problems in Afghanistan and Iraq to open a front with Iran.
For his part, the leader of the Brotherhood warned of the consequences of a strike on Iran, stressing that accept the Arab and Muslim world such a thing is unacceptable and should not be silent if the masses bowed to the will of the governments in Washington and Tel Aviv.
The international media has pointed to the direction of an Israeli nuclear submarine model 'Dolphin' carry nuclear warheads and warships to the Gulf region in light of tensions with Iran.With Iran warned Friday that any act against the interests of the Iranian people, legal and legitimate will result in legal response and appropriate action by Iran, said U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday that U.S. intelligence that indicates that it is likely to possess Tehran the ability to attack Europe ' tens or even hundreds of rockets' taken into account in the Government's decision to modify the Obama system for missile defenses. The United States has cited the growing threat of Iranian missiles when it announced in September (September) last plans to integrate missile defenses at sea and ashore in the member states of NATO in Europe and around the States in what was dubbed 'adaptive phased approach'. Gates said in a hearing on Congress 'among the elements of information that contributed to the decision to approach the interim adjustment to recognize that if Iran actually launched a rocket attack on Europe would not be just a missile or two or a few. He added, 'but is likely to be attacked with a barrage of missiles because of its potential to deal with tens or even hundreds of rockets'.
We have submitted a query to Hillary Clinton for confirmation, in advance of her meeting with Israel defense minister Ehud Barak, who flew in to the US on Saturday for meetings with the former first lady, as well as Robert Gates and Chairman of the JCS Mike Mullen. And yes, the Joint Chiefs of Staff don't really get involved in high level "diplomacy" all that often.
Update: it appears the Aircraft Carrier crossing the Suez is almost certainly CVN-75 Harry Truman, which until recently was in the Mediterranean according to Stratfor. According to Wikipedia, "the super carrier can accommodate approximately 80 aircraft." For some more curious information on the Truman, click here.
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Hdawg,
Simple, STOP their Nuclear programs...............even their Assatollahs, are afraid of Achmenjagenoff.............and their 12th IMAN Bullshit............
These dudes, are whacked OUT.
All you Israel haters, drop them for a second.
The other Arab countries are scared shitless also of Iran's ambitions.They know where this leads, if allowed to stand.
Since this is a fact, do you not give a shit about them?.
If someone pulls a pistol and say's I AM GOING TO KILL YOU, and your armed, do you allow yourself to be Murdered?,or do you try and be STOP them first...
Any sane person would.
Same goes for Nations.
Obama won't do anything effective. He may get our sailors killed, for which he will apologize to the Mullahs. Israel has to stop the Madhi cult from building nukes. The Arabs will scream and then celebrate quietly when the Persians are defanged.
Iran will never be allowed to obtain nuclear fissile material.
"NEVER"??? I'm betting you a super-size at your favorite fast food joint. You in? - Ned
New,
My $$ is they already HAVE nukes.........
Material-my bet is yes. But my bet was "YES!" until we gave Saddam 14 months to sterilize the programs. (I chuckle when the bankstas talk about sterilizing intervention).
Weapons??, deliverable??, tougher situation. Doesn't take much to have a claptrap thingie aboard ship coming into port on east coast. Fits into a conex box.
- Ned
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=11539
Intentions mutate and change over time. Capriciousness is a feature of human behaviour especially so with some leaders.
That's why the Quds have trained AQ for a decade and taught/given them IED's and even taken part in killing American troops in Iraq and why they've sheltered Bin Laden for the past 5 years...
Muslims lie whenever they want, to get what they want. Their actions speak louder than their words....
Muslims grew better thanks to learning from the US. Because when it comes to lies and duplicity, who beats the US?
Noone. The only legacy of the US to the world is their duplicity.
Lol... you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts. The muslim legacy is one of pedophila from mohammed, putting bombs on babies and hiding behind women, raping them, then stoning them b/c they were raped.
Jihadi's are sewer rats. Nothing more.
You have got to be kidding me.. Ohhh yeah.. the crazy Arab.. yeah.. I grew up thinking that to from watching TV (talmud vision)..
People are wising up.. You sir, are a troll and you don't even hide it well..
Max, much of what Judge writes comes from their Holy Quran.
Mohammad was a pedophile. Muslims can have 4 wives. It's all in THEIR book.
lordy, please don't make me quote the bible's sexual mores here. . .
Judge
Dude tell who ever pays you you deserve a raise. The way you cleverly conflate the fiction of an Iranian threat and overt racism is so very subtle no one would ever notice.
Go flip another burger... First of all, you can't point out one fiction in my post, secondly muslim isn't a race - it's a religion.
Duh.... So when did idiot moonbats take over the boards here??
According to your profile just about 48 weeks ago.
LMAO!
damn, you beat me to that line MsCreant!
I eat your junks tho' (hat tip to the brilliant PTAnderson)
This is a joke, right?
what EXACTLY has Iran done to attack us?
The muslims already have the Bomb, idiot...Pakistan.
trav,
Yep, but not the WHACK job Persian ones.
As far as what have they DONE, well they are building long range missles, capable of delivering nukes.
Bottom line, they are not stable, they are a loose cannon waiting to go off.............we simply cannot allow them to acquire Nukes.
What a troll.. You are so full of American and Israeli propoganda it's coming out your ears..
Ohhh yeah.. the poor Americans.. They've been so helpful taking all that oil off the hands of the ME countries. Why in the world don't those brown people just stop being so difficult and thank us for killing them..
Troll..
For your information, most of the oil out of the Middle East goes to Europe and the far east, such as Japan.
Primary sources of U.S. oil are west Africa, Venezuela, and Mexico.
The U.S. Navy is in the Middle East to protect the sea lanes and the stability of the regimes there...such as the Saudis and the UAE. Don't like it? Vote to change it. That's the way it is.
So, get your facts straight...troll.
Sam, Canada leads the pack:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
And you are on to something real: USD is the reserve currency (look at treasuries' bid) for more than BB and the tax cheat.
- Ned
We are in for a spicy Q3-Q4
The next 58 days leading up to August 17th, 2010 are crucial on the geo-political stage. There is a divine plan for the Holy Land, Middle East and World. All the pieces of the divine jigsaw puzzle are falling onto place. These latest naval movements are necessary moves on the chessboard. The power dynamics at play are fascinating. I am not at liberty here to reveal what I think will happen. Everyone will have to wait and see. G-d will not be denied...
Yes. But will the Yankees be in first on that day?
My crystal ball does not extend to baseball. Sports betting is different to geo-politics. Some people are ahead of the curve in certain fields of endeavour.
Don't you have ZH mistaken with Creflo Dollar's page? The only prediction people care about here is where the USDEUR will be trading. Don't blaspheme G-d's name on this page with your crap.
I think we all care about ES and gold too - Ned
Creflo Dollar
Is he a relative of King Dollar or his young stepson Fiat Dollar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creflo_Dollar
"G-d"? Go home
The great naval tactician, Capt. Obvious, once told me that Submarines have a lowered tactical advantage if their presence is known.
Israel plans to act unilaterally against Iran, and the US is positioning to prevent it.
I suspect that the US put that ship to cover the gulf airspace and with that captain make it less likely that the Israelis will sink it - on my premise that the Israel put those subs in the water and made their position known to deter the US and not to intimidate Iran.
Brzezinski's chess game is going well.
You make really good points. It is my opinion that the worst thing that could happen to the United States at this point is for Israel to attack Iran. It isn’t the same as when Israel went in to attack a position in Syria. This Iranian nuclear confrontation is on the front burner throughout the world. An Israeli attack would be a horrible problem for the U.S.
Excellent comment, Crummy. You don’t show your submarines as to location unless you are saber rattling.
What paranoid nonsense. Really off-the-charts.
Time will tell, Sam Thomas... Or SamThomas... Sam T. homas.
Paranoid? Pffft. Dead wrong, maybe, but paranoid isn't really a fitting description.
US authority in this matter is being challenged by Israeli initiative, so we move in with a carrier to lock down the airspace.
Learn a bit of the US position in the history of the region, namely the protection deals and cease fire agreements the US made with Syria before the Israelis took Golan and prior to the Sabra and Shatila massacre that the IDF took the initiative to go back on for them and you might have a better understanding of not only our place in the Israel/Palestine situation but also the United States place in the world as an underwriter of peace. The 30 year treasury doesn't sell itself, you know.
Anyway, I guess we'll see how off the charts I am. You might need to buy some bigger charts once this plays out.
Interesting position, I hope you are right. I like the tone of your response to this poster as well. Thanks for all of that.
The article is half alarmist bullshit and half serious stuff. You can count the ships and determine the type...not the cargo. "Infantry and armor"??????? Seems the Gator Navy is all accounted for, according to the table you published. And if you want to send an amphibious force there you need much more than a M.A.U. You need a full brigade at least....That needs a good number of Amphibious ships. 12 ships is more or lees the escort and logistic complement of a Nimitz class going in an area of operations that can get hotter than normal.
Anyway, when you put 3 supercarrier groups in an area, you send a "strong signal"....that for sure.
OB didn't look like an ARG, but did look like CV battle group. "Suspect" a sub? they don't leave home without at least one, prob. more or they will close at entrance to SoH to get into the Gulf. Messy to deconflict the whole situation with orange Iranian Kilos and maybe greens running around.
Sub vs. Sub == Spy vs. Spy
Whole article overblown, to whose benefit?
- Ned
p.s. Al Gray got rid of the "Amphibious" and replaced it with "Expeditionary", so they are now MEUs, MEBs, MEFs. Don't know where they'd land; Q'shim? Too close.
No big deal. Happens all the time. Probably just getting ready to rotate the group which has been on station for a year out of the there. If not then the stories about positioning 4 carrier battle groups near there is true and Israel has tipped the administration off tha they are about to eliminate the Iranian problem.
Like I said, no big deal.
"The passage disrupted traffic into the manmade canal for the "longest time in years."
This would suggest otherwise and time pressure.
**Great blog BTW.
Don't confuse poor John with 2+2=4 DETAILS...If you want acceptance, it must be 2+2=5...I doubt if he has ever served in the Gulf, let alone any military service...This is NOT military rotation.....
Ah so you're the commander of the 6th Fleet serving here. FWIW, the Israeli corvette is being dispatched to serve for search and rescue and additional air cover for their Dolphin Class SLCM launch platforms on patrol in the Arabian sea plus the tenders in the area. I'm glad we have people like LSH who know every fucking thing about nothing and get 99% of their news from the ghost of Art Bell, Pravda.RU, Rense, and other such reliable sources. Get a fucking life. This is not a big deal unless the almighty joke of US action actually happens, which it will not. Any dumb ass knows that the sanctions will NEVER work and never have had a major impact for a decade now as the majority of the materials needed by the Iranians for their program were tran-shipped via the UAE and Dubai from Pakistan and North Korea. You need to get your head out of your ass if you think the US will launch an offensive operation with Presidente Pussy in Chief running this show. Only Israel can and will and IMHO, it is no big deal because the message has been telegraphed for 4 years now that if the US did not solve this problem, THEY WOULD.
My, my...all that wind just to prove my point that this is NOT normal rotation...contained in the wind are all the details that many of us have been following for YEARS...and...not through the MSM, but through PAID subscriptions from the top intelligence sources...now...I am...Gone With The Wind, Scarlet!
you contradict yourself..
I hope Israel does attact and every Arab nation in the region sends ground troops into Israel.. At the same time, I hope the West finalize realizes the cancer that is Israel needs to be purged from the world..
If the Arabs try it, it will be the last thing they ever do. Every major city in the Arab world will be reduced to cinders. I am SO happy the Jews have plenty of nukes and the advanced systems they need to deliver when and where they want--big, beautiful F-15i and F-16i fighter-bombers, courtesty of Lockheed-Martin and Boeing--and the cruise missiles and IRBMs they have built with our (American) help.
Keeps those zany Nazi-loving Arabs in line!
Well, What do we have here? I scroll down a tad and suddenly I'm awash in regret, and that's not a feeling an old internet troll like myself is used to, but I completely regret responding to you above.
Not because you're probably a dirty racist jackass, I have a quite few as friends and neo-nazi skin head chicks sort of turn me on, but because I wasted my time. Someone who willingly paints with such a broad brush with such disregard for the finer details is probably blind to the subtlety.
Some people just smart enough to be miserable.
No, nothing that complicated. Simply referring to the well-documented role of the Arabs in the Middle East during WWII where they supported the Germans instead of the British.
Your knowledge of history needs some work.
What no words about the Italians? Who were they allied with?
How about many of the Romanians, Ukranians, Serbians..etc?
How about the 250,000 German Jews who joined the German army and fought against the US and Britain?
The Irgun in Palestine were armed by the Nazis and murdered hundreds of British soldiers.
The Nationalist Chinese were armed by booth the US and the Nazis. Crazy huh...
How about the Swiss? The "pawn" shop and private bank for the Nazis.
How about Wall Street and the Bush Cabal? Prescott Bush (W's Grandad) was a bagman for the elite on Wall Street. In the 30's and early 40's, Wall Street helped Germany fund it's war buildup AND it's war. Prescott Bush also helped the Nazis launder their stolen loot with help from Wall Street and the Swiss. Bush continued his actions from the 1930's into the 1950s. The goal of Wall Street was to destroy the British and French empires and take over the world commodities trde
Speaking about those paragons of virtue, the English, they also backed the Nazis early. The goal of the Brits was to topple the Bolsheviks with the help of Germany. A little historical tidbit showing how nice the Brits treated their brown and black subjects. On numerous occasions when crop production in Britain fell, the Brits stole huge amounts of grain from Africa and India. Over 20 million Africans and Indians starved to death.
Of course that brings us back to the Americans. Over 500,000 Philipinos were killed during the American attack and occupation of the Islands. The Japanese promised the Philipinos freedom from the whiteman, but as is the case with all imperial nations, they lied. After the war, the US killed another 50,000 Philipinos. Their crime? They did not want to pay back rent to absentie landlords. They also made the serious mistake of wanting land reform since only a few families owned every square inch of the islands and treated everyone like serfs. Land reform is a communist plot.
+++ your posts have so much truth it almost hurts my eyes. . .
Hdawg, I think it was to insure no action against the Israeli corvette, plus to transition the fleet into the Arabian Sea. If we maintain them at station, it is to cover or prevent action against tankers AFTER and Israeli strike. And the Israelis have already made it known that if we don't do it, they will. It's no big deal either way, IMHO. Those who have followed the information flow for the last four years knew this day was coming. The Israelis will do what we won't and the Russians shall profit handsomely as a result.
Thank you for a dose of rationality on this ridiculous board.
aww, diddums.
Debka and al quds with quotes from the muslim brotherhood. Garbage in garbage out.
It's good pressure for the final negotiations.
Joe Lieberman CNN 9:14am EDT
State of the Union with Candy Crowley
"Right now China can disconnect parts of the internet we should have that here too"
What a cockroach.
If they don't get it through they'll pull a fals flag and take down the internet anyway and then ram it through congress. Just like they did with BP spill and the repackaged cap and trade taxes. America is an open dictatorship.
"national security". . . it's all they're waiting on, one FF to pull the "terrorists" bullshit again. . .funny how Lieberman's name keeps cropping up lately. . . his WIKI entry tells me all I need to know about him tho. . . just sayin'
"eliminate the Iranian problem"
The Neocon and Ziofascist wet dream will not succeed. They will not get control of Iran's oil regardless of what they do. If there is an attack, all the Iranian stooges the West has been financing will stream for the borders running for their lives.
The Ziofascist dream of Iranian oil being once again being piped though Israel is just that, a dream. Read the latest CIA report on the future of Israel. It has at most 20 years before there is mass migration of millions of Jews to the US, Russia, Europe, Australia and elswhere.
Lol... you moonbats crack me up. Seriously, y'all are entertaining as hell.
Keep up the good work....
Yep I am seriously funny. Care to point out any errors in my comments? The vast majority of people have no clue about history. The US and Israel controlled Iran for close to 20 years. Untold billions of dollars in Iranian wealth was stolen during that time. The Iranians are not going to allow history to repeat.
Anarchist
Dude, many of the posters who mimic current propaganda are paid PSYOP posters. Right now they are relatively easy to recognize as they just aren't subtle.
A few others are just plain dumbasses that support the fiction whatever party they listen too espouses.
In a couple more years the paid ones will have learned just how to manipulate discourse. They will be much harder to recognize and in fact may be down right enjoyable.
Cass, you're not supposed to be telling the little people this. Oh, wait, it's in your book. Oh, well.
- Ned
Really Gully. You think you'll get better at this? LMAO.
Kettle, you are so damn black.
Nobody pays me to spread propaganda.
Nobody gives me anything but lies and bullcrap salted with sparse pieces of truth.
I'm burning down my house. Cutting all the strings. Pissing off everyone in the local heaven sphere. When the doorway opens to the blackhole in the center of the galaxy. I'm going. No need to do another 25800 years of this stupid crap.
http://www.metrolyrics.com/crybaby-lyrics-information-society.html
They'll tell ya I went to hell for my sins that I was CASTE OUT. Just like your ex-boyfriend told everyone HE dumped you. What they won't tell ya is how hard I jumped when the door opened.
I think you misunderstood me Heph. Gully telling this other poster is a psy ops player is funny because his/her posts read that way too. Pot calling kettle black. I thought you were calling Gully out on that. I did not mean you. If you are psy ops, wow!
Well you replied to the wrong post then. :P
And yes I was calling Gully out on it. Deception dynamics are interesting. It's necessary for the person to believe in thier own bullshit to keep it effective. So it's a viral type of thing. They actually have to become what they are trying to use as a tool. So I was laughing at Gully for believing he could snort the cocaine without having the side effects. The ultimate goal is to turn the mirror into a fun house mirror. So gully is obviously feeling the mistrust looking to insinuate it onto or into somebody else with his little pecker.
It's been 38 weeks since you looked at me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRiF_THZTYI
Errors in your comments?? How about the whole thing - it's fiction.
There is no desire to control Iran's oil - anymore than there was to control Iraq's - y'alls moonbat whiney ass theory's were shot to hell there and will be again. Hell, if we wanted control of Iran's oil, we would have supported the Shah instead of forcing him not to fight the revolution. We could have stepped in anytime since and taken their oil...
Jus b/c you believe in myths, doesn't make them true.
Typical Leftist arguing style. Your links and sources are propaganda. Their links are gospel.
They're supposed to be about splitting the pie evenly, but they never fail to act superior.
"Ziofascist?" You gotta be kidding me. What a loser.
How about Zio-Bolshevik?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
In your spare time read some of Alexandr Solzhenitsyn's writings. His "fun" times in the Soviet Gulags are a hoot. He was once the darling of the Western media. He committed career suicide by pointing out who ran the Cheka, NKVD and most of the Gulags.
Anarchist,
The CIA is wrong............Israel will never cease to exist as a nation state again, ever.Take it to the Bank.
Read the report. Everything Israel is doing follows the play book used by the whites in South Africa, Rhodesia, Kenya....etc. We all know how that worked out :-).
Worst of all is the cash burn by the Israelis to keep the Palestinians virtual prisoners and support the huge military machine. The Israeli economy is tiny yet it has a military sized for an economy hundreds of times larger. Once Uncle Sugar cuts back the freebees, the party is over. In an attempt to stave off collapse, the Israelis will greatly increase illegal weapons shipments to the Chinese and others and use nuclear blackmail against the US. What the Israeli leaders will not be able to easily control is the mass migration of Jews who can emigrate overseas. Over 1 million Israelis have a Russian passport. Miliions of others have passports from around the world.
I heard theory growing up. The theory was that Israel was a Zionist strategy to concentrate the Jewish people for another strike. If you believe the West including Zionists were behind the atrocities of the Nazi's, then this theory seems credible.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0619/pentagon-revives-domestic-spying-unit/
Pentagon revives Rumsfeld-era domestic spying unit
nice.
And you thought Obama made his arch enemy the Pit Bull Hillary SOS for nothing? LOL
cowdiddly
No. I thought Hillary received a consolation prize from Bill. See while she squeezed his balls in a vice like claw for publicly embarrassing the family with a little fat slobbery Jewish chick, the slick one was forced to make promises. The main one being she would eventually be placed in his job.
Well that fell apart when she proved to be less likable than the Bride of Frankenstein. Less shagable too, even the Lesbians changed their minds.
Bill and his cronies forced some behind the scenes power plays, Biden, Rahm, and Hillary for Sec State. She gets some job experience and still can run even when old and feeble minded like Reagan.
I would say in eight to twelve years after 2013 expect Hillary in office, if there still is one.
cow,
My $$ is on her running in 2012.....Dems only hope, if we're still here.
please don't tell us this stuff...we are better off to not know, and think everything is just OKAY.
Thanks for your great coverage to everything important...everything is connected; there is just no US/EUR rate separate from everything else.
Come to think of it, now I understand among other things why gold made that explosive all times high on Friday....who knows what comes next...i dont want to be short miners! they might make pennies stealing from Joes but will lose big time should you get caught on the other side of the trade....hey you guessed it...talking my book like everybody else on CNBC...dahhhhh
You beclown yourselves by quoting Al Quds...if the Soviets were still around I bet you would be quoting Pravda without a minute of fact checking.
Really, curious? How so? Speak up motherfucker...I can't hear you.
Joe Lieberman CNN 9:14am EDT
State of the Union with Candy Crowley
Obama wants to have the power to shut down internet, in the event of a national emergency situation (as determined by the administration). Let us examine this request for a minute, basically the administration would like the power to shutdown the most powerful platform for free speech so by proxy the administration would like to have the power to restrict/shutdown Free Speech.
So why does President need this power, Oh well, there are many reasons such as the vulnerability of financial data, defense establishment, etc. suffice it to say in the greater interest of the nation.
What one should question is, what is the point of such a nation, that restricts Free Speech, and more importantly, how is it that a nation that was founded on the principles of liberty and happiness, with Free Speech being one of its greatest strengths, has become a nation that would like remake itself in the image of CHINA?
Now to Senator Lieberman:
"Right now China can disconnect parts of the internet we should have that here too"
Senator Lieberman that is why people prefer US and its democratic values over China and its communist ideals. I would suggest that you try to educate yourself on China.
I had assumed that a senator of your standing was aware of the fact that there is no concept of free speech in China, the state controls every aspect of its citizen’s life, even to the size of one’s family (not so long ago), but then again elected representatives like yourself never fail to surprise me, with your knowledge or the lack thereof
Without getting into a flow blown essay, let me just say that Lieberman-Obama-politicians (both R &D) are attacking the most fundamental right of free speech when they request the people to grant them the power to shutdown the most powerful platform for free speech- the internet. Of all the people Obama should know, for he leveraged internet the most to get him to the White House, but then again maybe realizes how powerful the net is and hence this need to control .
Make no mistake this is a veiled attack on Free Speech and ZH reader know this, Just think about it, if things get really bad as discussed on ZH on many occasions, internet is one thing we definitely need and more importantly websites like ZH to organize and protect our rights.
I think I speak for the community here, when I say that, the Internet belongs to the people not the government and we do not want US government or Obama’s boot on its neck.
Nothing new needs to be done for the government to bring down the internet. One call from the Pres and the nodes in the network can block or filter traffic in any manner required. Same goes for guns, gold, mobility, water or food. Anyone who thinks they will be able to fight the system is a fool. The powers that be would love a few trouble makers ..er terrorists to pop their heads up. Smite a few and the sheep will get in line quick.
Obama Information Czar Cass Sunstein in a 2001 book, Republic.com, argued that the Internet may weaken democracy because it allows citizens to isolate themselves within groups that share their own views and experiences, and thus cut themselves off from any information that might challenge their beliefs, a phenomenon known as cyber balkanization. -- Wikipeida
In THE CREEPY MINDSET BEHIND CASS SUNSTEIN’S CREEPY PROPOSAL Glenn Greenwald wrote: "Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama's closest confidants… Sunstein is currently Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for 'overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs.'
"In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and psuedo-'independent' advocates to 'cognitively infiltrate' online groups and websites – as well as other activist groups – which advocate views that Sunstein deems 'false conspiracy theories' about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens' faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper's abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.
"Sunstein advocates that the Government's stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into 'chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups.' He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called 'independent' credible voices to bolster the Government's messaging… This program would target those advocating false 'conspiracy theories,' which they define to mean: 'an attempt to explain an event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role.'
"…Covert government propaganda is exactly what Sunstein craves…He acknowledges that some 'conspiracy theories' previously dismissed as insane and fringe have turned out to be entirely true… Given that history, how could it possibly be justified for the U.S. Government to institute covert programs designed to undermine anti-government 'conspiracy theories,' discredit government critics, and increase faith and trust in government pronouncements? Because, says Sunstein, such powers are warranted only when wielded by truly well-intentioned government officials who want to spread The Truth and Do Good… "
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Continual developments of events like this insure the likelihood of the improbable highly consequential events happenning. In another words, the vix should start moving up, and have a ramp day soon.
To all the conspiracists who think Jews rule the world, I think you are nuts. Think about it. Jews represent 0.1% (.001; 1/10th of 1 percent) of the world's population at best. And from what I can tell, they don't all agree. What magical power do they have, could they have, over the other 99.9 percent of the world's population? It's ridiculous. In my opinion it appears Israel is at the beck and call of, and extremely dependent on the USA. Israel rarely makes a move without orders or okays from Washington.
Let's move on before we lose site of reality in favor of illusions.
Let’s move on before we lose sight of reality in favor of illusions. -- Island
Illusions? A superpower was made to attack a sovereign nation that posed little threat...death toll of innocents, a million and counting. Isn’t it time we stop “moving on” and face the reality that the Zionist hammerlock has on U.S. foreign policy? We ignore the realities of the “special relationship” of Zionism at our peril.
Because of the concept of Zionism, defined as the establishment of a Jewish homeland, Israel garners principal loyalty to its government from many Jews in other countries, 80% of whom live in the U.S. and Israel. Zionism defines Israel as more than a nation of Israelis, but as the homeland of all Jews, regardless of the country where they are now citizens.
Chaim Weizmann, by far the most dominate force in persuading Britain at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference to declare a Jewish homeland in Palestine, severely criticized Jews in Europe for wasting their work and loyalty as citizens of other countries. At the Paris discussions, French scholar Sylvain Levy, speaking against the homeland proposal on behalf of the French delegation, said he felt the “exceptional privileges” Jews would receive by gaining another “homeland” in addition to the country where they resided would be “shocking.”
Said Levy, as reported by Margaret MacMillan in her bestseller, Paris 1919: “It would be dangerous to create a precedent whereby certain people who already possessed the rights of citizenship in one country would be called on to govern and to exercise other rights of citizenship in a new country.”
Turning to Levy, Weizmann quipped: “I no longer know you. You are a traitor.”
British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour and Prime Minister David Lloyd George were able to push through the measure for Weizmann, in spite of French opposition, because Britain had military control of Palestine at the time. The Arabs living there had been promised independence by Britain after they helped with the struggle against Ottoman rule. And Palestine was also part of the Sykes-Picot wartime agreement promising Arab land to the French.
When the Arabs objected strenuously to the Balfour Declaration, the British accused them of ingratitude. At the 1919 Versailles Peace Conference the Arabs were not invited to the critical sessions deciding the Zionist measure but Weizman and his group attended and had numerous personal contacts with Balfour, George and the American delegation. Balfour considered the final decision a personal accomplishment.
Here, from MacMillan’s book is an account of Balfour’s 1925 visit to the growing Jewish settlements in Palestine:
“He was touched by the reception he received throughout Palestine from Jews but Balfour failed to notice the Arabs in mourning and the shops closed in protest. His private secretary destroyed the hundreds of angry telegrams he received from Arabs before he could see them. When he and his party moved on to Syria to do some sightseeing, the French authorities mounted a guard around him, much to his annoyance. In Damascus, his hotel was surrounded by an excited crowd of 6,000 Arabs. As the paving stones started to fly and the French cavalry fired back, Balfour watched bemused. A young Arab attached to his party tried to explain why there was such opposition to Zionism. Balfour merely replied that he found the results of his experiment “extraordinarily interesting.” He sailed back to Europe on the Sphinx.”
yeah... let's move on.. Forget that JEWs are the bankers, JEWs run the media, JEWs run the entertainment.. I could go on. but most on here already know that.. Now the JEWs rewrite history with their control of the publication industry.. give me a break..
Yeah, yeah.. move along.. nothing to see here sheeple... The poor Jews.. Always the target but yet have done nothing to deserve such scrutiny..
Zionism will fail.. The world will be a better place when it does..
As Hitler said, you only need to protect the little lies, the big ones protect themselves from the incredulous people..
People are waking up by the thousands.. Count on it.. Prepare for it..
You Nazi puke. I will be with the Jews and cut you down when the time comes.
Ahhh.. there you go.. Call names.. Don't debate the facts, as they only cloud your intent..
I look forward to that day.. Me and the Tens of Millions of other Americans waking up.. A light pole for EVERY traitor.. Pick yours out now..
Of course, you will chicken shit out because anyone that stands with the Israel today only does so out of ignorance or profit.. Which one are you?
Traitor? You don't know the meaning of the word. You're just some overheated racist dimwit who believes the propaganda he reads on the internet.
Oh, and who has a tendency to encourage genocide. How about that Nazi paraphanalia you got in your bottom drawer?
And as far as I can tell, you haven't come up with a single "fact" worthy of the term.
Posters like this are why ZH will never be a credible financial site. The only thing he forgot to say was "Heil Hitler".
WAR!!!
HELL YEAH!!!
Ostrich Alert !
Wonder if Iran has any of the new Chinese Anti-Carrier Balistic Missiles? Nothing like a good test war for the latest Chinese products.
http://www.defensereview.com/chinese-anti-ship-ballistic-missile-asbm-kill-weapon-flummoxes-us-navy/
At this point in time, the Chinese have zero incentive to give the Iranians weapons capable of hurting the US. In fact with all the hub-bub and sanctions, the Chinese are getting better terms in their negotiations for Iranian resources.
The Iranians have little defense against the weapons the US will use. In the case of a US carrier, I would suspect they will be out of range of any Iranian missles. If the Iranians were to get lucky and damage a carrier, I would not want to be in near any Iranian military or nuclear site. The weapons used may not be conventional.
Any ships sunk in the Gulf during a conflict will raise the insurance rates and the price of oil into the Stratosphere.
Again Debka.... enough of their junk please. Routine shift of forces and deployment... nothing more... Jeez...
Notice how these truthseekers haven't said a word about the Honda strike in China where journalists were "taken away."
America and Israel are held to impossible standards; yet, countries like Iran and China are held to no standards at all.
I read that Iran just banned having dogs as pets.
Brett,
Right on, SOS all the time..............No nation on earth has given more in blood, and treasure to those who were losing their liberty, or dying from starvation.........none, not one.
We perfect(Hell No), but name any other country that even comes close................you cannot.
There must be several Huffpo,CNN,CNBC, folks who come here.............
++ Brett and DosZap
Just try some of the crap in Iran and China that we and Israel are allowed to do (like making inflammatory web posts for example).
Iran. Russia. China.
Not my future.
Not my future?
Be careful what you predict, DCRB; this is hardly the time to brag about America’s freedoms, IMO.
No one can dispute that the freedoms that our country (America) started with are ebbing away. Freedom of speech, for example, is being sharply curtailed; Americans lose their jobs continuously for offhand comments they make, articles they write or websites they produce--even an opinion journalist such as Helen Thomas is fired for giving her opinion. Don Imus losses his sponsorships and is heavily criticized throughout the country for commentary on a commentary program…
From job loss to prison is only a small step considering the hate speech legislation continually popping up in the Congress of the United States.
Religious freedom? The religious holidays of our Founders such as Christmas and Easter have been politicized and demonized, and any mention of them are exorcized from the public schools and even from the retail market place.
Freedom of assembly? Even at political events areas where free speech protest was once welcomed, the areas where protests can be held often are now marked off blocks away from the event and enforced by police.
Freedom of association? The government orders diversity in the work place, private businesses, and every imaginable social organization.
The right to keep and bear arms? Restrictions grow every year identifying who can keep arms, the type, quantity, and the imposition of every regulation imaginable while a host of government officials and agencies consistently are armed.
But perhaps the greatest and most tragic loss of freedom that Americans have suffered is the loss of representative government, the very essence of the Founders dream. Instead of a government operating with the consent of the citizens, a private monopoly of international bankers has seized control, first of the currency and the financial levers of powers and, now, most all government functions from foreign policy to domestic social programs, to all industry and commerce…
And....“Let no man think we can deny civil liberty to others and retain it for ourselves. When zealous agents of the Government arrest suspected ‘radicals’ without prompt trial, deny them access to counsel and admission of bail… we have shorn the Bill of Rights of its sanctity…” –“Fighting Bob” LaFollette
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Bumbling idiots these oilgarchs, military men, and kleptocrats. Be prepared for the worst ZHers.
Or you could just go out and water your garden. And pick some peas for dinner.
And I hope everybody does.
The above article was unintelligible to me, but I gather there may have been movement of US warships through the Suez canal. "Giant Israeli warships?" Isn't that an oxymoron? They don't have any. Bottom line, no wants to attack Iran, the Iranians are too strong already, and too far along in their nuclear program. We'll just have to get used to the idea that Iran may hand off a nuke or two every now and again to holy warriors and no big city in the world will be a safe place to live. Ever.
....or just get used to Iran having an efficient source of civilian power.
First, these are not primarily Israeli warships—there are 12 American warships and 1 Israeli Corvette. Second, Iran doesn’t have the bomb. And, third, Iran is not the supplier of these so-called "holy warriors." The context for this endless war is based on 9/11, allegedly by Saudi and Israeli perpetrators; and since then, other origins such as Pakistan. But not Iranians. Iran has done absolutely nothing, absolutely zero, except respond to Israeli expansionism. Iran had not even embraced the Palestinians.
In short, Iran is real estate with oil reserves not yet governed by a U.S. puppet, such as in Afghanistan with its mineral reserves and pipeline routes and Iraq with its oil. And the U.S. and Israel are determined to change that.
I missed the memo about the 9-11 hijackers being Israelis. I also missed the memo about Hezbollah in Lebanon, armed with thousands of rockets and financed with millions in cash, being secretly supported by Israel, not Iran. I also missed the memo on Israels expansionism, given Israel is so small you can barely find it on a map, and in their endless quest for world domination withdrew from Gaza giving it to Hamas and withdrew form the Sinai giving it to Egypt.
Sorry that you missed the memos because it means you have a ton of research ahead of you--the history of this Middle Eastern injustice, the cover-ups of Israeli duplicity in 9/11 and so much more. Fortunately the Internet will be a big help. Let me start your search with one memo you may have missed, a dark gem in the history of the establishment of America’s special friend, the nation of Israel:
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"We created terror among the Arabs and all the villages around. In one blow, we changed the strategic situation." -- Menachem Begin
The Deir Yassin Massacre by William Martin | CounterPunch | May 13, 2004
On April 9, 1948, members of the underground Jewish terrorist group, the Irgun, or IZL, led by Menachem Begin, who was to become the Israeli prime minister in 1977, entered the peaceful Arab village of Deir Yassin, massacred 250 men, women, children and the elderly, and stuffed many of the bodies down wells. There were also reports of rapes and mutilations. The Irgun was joined by the Jewish terrorist group, the Stern Gang, led by Yitzhak Shamir, who subsequently succeeded Begin as prime minister of Israel in the early '80s, and also by the Haganah, the militia under the control of David Ben Gurian. The Irgun, the Stern Gang and the Haganah later joined to form the Israeli Defense Force. Their tactics have not changed.
The massacre at Deir Yassin was widely publicized by the terrorists and the numerous heaped corpses displayed to the media. In Jaffe, which was at the time 98 percent Arab, as well as in other Arab communities, speaker trucks drove through the streets warning the population to flee and threatening another Deir Yassin. Begin said at the time, "We created terror among the Arabs and all the villages around. In one blow, we changed the strategic situation."
From about 1938 on to the founding of Israel, Begin was the leader of the Irgun. That group regularly assassinated English soldiers in Palestine and frequently hung their booby-trapped bodies in public places. Under Begin, the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946, killing 97 British civil servants. The Stern Gang, under Shamir, also assassinated the U.N. representative to Palestine, Count Bernadotte, in 1948.
But Deir Yassin was not the only massacre by the Israeli Defense Force. That army, under Moshe Dayan, took the unarmed and undefended village of al-Dawazyma, located in the Hebron hills, massacred 80 to 100 of its residents, and threw their bodies into pits. "The children were killed by breaking their heads with sticks ... The remaining Arabs were then sealed in houses, as the village was systematically razed ..." (Nur Masalha, The Historical Roots of the Palestinian Refugee Question).
We read further. According to Yitzhak Rabin's biography:
Continuing the narrative, Ben-Gurion University historian Benny Morris writes in "Operation Dani and the Palestinian Exodus from Lydda and Ramle in 1948", Middle East Journal, 40 …
http://www.counterpunch.org/martin05132004.html
If you were depending on Edward R. Murrow at the time you would have missed this one, just as if you were depending on network news in 9/11 coverage you would have missed the reports of Israeli presence on Manhattan Island.
I notice you didn't even bother denying my allegation that you hold America and Israel to impossible standards while giving every brutal Islamist or Communist regime a pass.
There used to be a gay Iranian guy in my building.
He once said to me that he would never go back to Iran because he couldn't hide his gayness and, as a result, would be killed.
Of course, lethal oppression of gays and virtual enslavement of women is of little consequence to you as long as the offending party is an enemy of capitalism.
Your rap is straight outa ol' Karl Marx's playbook: Attack every flaw of capitalism and ignore the defects of your own miserable failure of an ideology.
Gays that have one half live as a woman get on fine. They get a ticket from known sources saying they have had a sex change and live their lives.
If only somewhat true, the 1948 killings are to be condemned. That was 62 years ago. Since then, how many times times have the Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians, and Lebanese invaded or tried to invade Israel? How many bombs have gone off in how many buses, restaurants, clubs, hotels, wedding receptions? How many rockets fired indiscriminately into Israel from Lebanon and Gaza?
Jews on Manhattan Island. Gee, what a surprise. Half of New York is Jewish.
The Israeli state and its constitution is a lie and the people are combatants.
Zionism is a shoddy and infantile 19th century romantic lie like most of the isms and no better than arianism. Zionism essentially destroyed the psyche of Ashkenazi jews and told them that the millenia of their lives in the Pale and Eastern European ghettoes was worthless and that they were beneath contempt.
The dominant forces of organised diaspora jewry are racketeers and must come under mainstream anti racketeering law.
We need another mix ... Marla ... the natives have run out of usual suspects here, can you post a link to something soothing?
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Conspiracy Is Highly Probable...
Evidence is piling up of a massive conspiracy. 1st Goldman sells 44% of its BP shares in the 1Q. 2nd Tony Hayward, the chief executive of BP, sold £1.4 million of his shares in the fuel giant weeks before the spill. 3rdHalliburton link, acquisition of cleanup company, Boots & Coots, days before explosion. 4th Government uses disaster to push for Carbon Tax, Nationalization talk. 5thOther asset management firms also sold huge blocks of BP stock in the first quarter. Though the amounts pale in comparison to Goldman’s holdings, Wachovia, owned by Wells Fargo, sold 98% of its shares in BP and Swiss bank UBS sold 97% of its BP shares.
You're right. Hard to believe that some people "in the know" sold shares in an oil company while the Euro was crashing and the price of oil was collapsing. Shocking. But the conspirators were at their best in the way that they were able to sabotage the blow out preventer, trigger a massive gas surge 4 miles beneath the ocean surface in the oil well, blow up the oil rig, and trigger the oil spill. And of course the Obama administration was in on the entire thing because his political influence and reputation have been so enhanced and strengthened by the oil spill. Hard to argue with logic like that.
Mac Hunter
famous arab apologist , seen wearing his Yasser Arafat scarf
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There is no Starbucks coffee in Iran, no Walmart. Until those Persians agree to take our worthless dollars, and imprison and coerce their poor to manufacture cheap consumer goods for the US they are always going to be in the cross hairs. All the Bric countries obtained nuclear power in the last decade or two, including the vile communists in Bejing. We didn't say anything then, just whens the next container shipment arrive?
And it gets even more complicated when you consider the position of the Russians, who have a real Islamic terrorist threat on their doorstep. They would prefer that the Islamic terrorist problem disappeared, and here is where the lies get a bit deep. You see the missile shield in Europe put there by Cheney and the NeoCons, is aimed at Moscow. The official lie is, that the missiles are there to protect Europe from an Iranian attack.
Putin wanted to make a deal with Bush, but the shrub had already spent his political capital, (remember Cheney was the shadow President, and Bush was the Manchurian puppet)
Recently the Russians were happy that the Obama people were willing to pull those missiles back, but like all things the deal is too complex to be resolved with a handshake, because it involves Iran, in a Machiavellian way of course. Iran sits between Afghanistan (and Obama needs to win that war, he has two years, and if not he is diselected, probably) US hegemony over Central Asia is the issue.
Read Brezyinski on this to understand how they think. The same boys who wanted a US military presence all the way across Central Asia are still calling the shots.
There was a moment in Pakistan, and Bush or his superior, Cheney would be President right now, if they could have made a deal for the nuke warheads in Pakistan. Bhutto was supposed to deliver the deal, served up on a CIA platter, but something went wrong. Now we are back to square one, Manchurian President, seeking to consolidate American power in C. Asia. blah blah.
Invading Iran would be easier than Iraq probably, Cake Walk II. The Iranians have state of the art Russian military equipment, but the Russians have the (ECM - electronic counter measure- keys) When Israel bombed that supposed nuke site in Syria they didn't lose a single aircraft. Why? Russian system, it was a test, only a test, but Bush couldn't go down that road. And Bush could have set up a no fly zone across Hormuz, push back the Iranian air defense systems, spend a few years, degrade their systems by fly overs and intercepts. This is the one part of the puzzle which doesn't fit. His Manchurian handlers must have had the last word.
Domestically Obama made a smart move burying Clinton in the state department, with nothing to do. She wants Iran more than he does. She should have been President, that's easy to say now. Would she run against him, probably not, but things happen, you have to look out for number one. If she would nuke Iran she could shut up those Congressional Republicans once and for all. So we're taking Russia, Iran, betrayal, courtly intrigue, and a man whose time is running out.
If Obama were to create a no fly zone over Hormuz, FREEDOM OF THE SEAS!! He could look strong, and reasonable and patient at the same time. This is how Presidents consolidate power. Thinking about Bush, he probably didn't want to get into Iran because he didn't trust his staff completely. (he was a bit like Nixon on that count) Obama has an edge on him that way. And Obama has no remorse about deficit spending on these things. 80/20 on a no fly zone in the Hormuz by Christmas.
Invading deep into Iran would not be a cakewalk. Huge landmass, terrible terrain and lot of people who could harass your flanks and cut your supply lines. Of course you could attack and occupy some of their southern oil fields and they could not do much about it.
Before Teddy Roosevelt's White fleet signalled the end of Jeffersonian statesmanship and the lit the fuse for American adventurism the US had its own lion that foretold her own complicity in future tyranny explicitly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_Shuster
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