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As 1.3 Million Americans Are About To Lose Their Jobless Benefits This Week, The Unemployment Rate Will Surge To 10.5%

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Sat, 06/26/2010 - 23:31 | 435949 QuantumCat
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Bring on the pain...

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 23:43 | 435965 LeBalance
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you first, Schroedinger.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 01:03 | 436070 teaddy bearish
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wow we have a quantum lover here

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 01:43 | 436098 Testicular Cancer
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I am still uncertain.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 02:24 | 436128 TBT or not TBT
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Maybe you've been reading too many Inflation V Deflation debates.  You should try tuberculosis, BTW.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 04:13 | 436186 Popo
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It's impossible to know how much pain there is AND exactly who is feeling it.

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 06:54 | 436247 cossack55
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For an exact figure, one must venture to the Oracle of Delphi's Topless Bar and Burger Joint and inquire of Billy The C.    

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 09:38 | 436357 Everyman
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True and just like Schroedinger's cat if we "put them all in a box" and closed it off, do they exist?  Seems like that is exactly what the goobermint is doing, they just pretend they don't exist and everything is OK.  Even though there is so much pain in the UE ranks.

 

10.5%?  That is a massive increase from 9.7%.  There would be no denying it then.

 

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 12:49 | 436573 goldfish1
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10.5%?  That is a massive increase from 9.7%.  There would be no denying it then.

My naive brethren.

Just claim that there was a fire in the statistics office and the number, best we can tell is about the same as it ever was.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 13:24 | 436627 Lux Fiat
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Don't forget the approx. 500k rolling off of the Census payrolls in the near future.  That would be a bit harder to explain, unless the economy suddenly adds 500k beach/marsh cleanup jobs - the kind where a W2 is issued.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 09:45 | 436370 TBT or not TBT
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That very impossibility to know can help us.   Our economy could quantum tunnel through the mountain of debt just because there is a probability of its existence on the other side.   Quantum uncertainty has a bright side!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 12:10 | 436544 Double down
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Place your bets!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 11:15 | 436481 PeterSchump
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We know for sure it is not the banksters, nor the govt.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 10:02 | 436393 pan-the-ist
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Quantum uncertainty is a limitation of observation, not an insight to the working of the Universe.  Just another myth I find myself pointing out again and again.  Though it is funny.  Hahaha. ha.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 10:58 | 436457 technovelist
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Quantum uncertainty is a limitation of observation, not an insight to the working of the Universe.  Just another myth I find myself pointing out again and again.  Though it is funny.  Hahaha. ha.

I don't believe that is correct. My understanding is that a particle really doesn't have both momentum and position at the same time. In fact, it doesn't have either until we decide to measure one of them.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 11:55 | 436524 7bit
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The particle might not even exist at all, at least not necesarily as a "particle".

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 12:56 | 436584 pan-the-ist
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QM is a model to predict some behavior.  As 7bit says, particles might not exist at all... We can be confident that at some point in time QM will be replaced with a better model.

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 10:09 | 438394 hedgeless_horseman
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QE -> QE2, so QM -> QM2?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 12:53 | 436580 jimijon
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If you freeze time for an instant ... what is its momentum? You stop moving... you die. Because in essence you stopped time.

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 20:36 | 440171 Bringin It
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Someone pointed out to me that - In the same way the Enlightenment grew out of a new understanding of existance, the societal transformation resulting from comprehension of the QM meme have barely begun.

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 07:43 | 436268 Eternal Student
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I don't know if he's a quantum lover, but I would say that he looks like he's a Quantum Mechanic.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 09:44 | 436367 LeBalance
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I'm quite hestitant to make a determination and as a result limit my possibilities.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 06:14 | 436220 Bringin It
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And I thought I was first

until I observed

that QC arrived over 40 weeks ago.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 02:55 | 436146 quintago
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the unemployment rate is derived from the number of people collecting benefits. If they no longer collect benefits, then the unemployment rate goes down, so its all good baby, because the numbers don't lie!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 05:03 | 436199 jeff montanye
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if this is satire it is weak.  if "fact" imo it is wrong, as is the article above on this point in the opposite direction.  as posters below note, these people receiving benefits are in the labor force from a statistical standpoint.  lots of truth in a de facto statement like after benefits stop they really will be in the labor force seeking work.  but re: govt stats, i don't think so.  the economic/income effects seem important but could we get some editorial clarification on the unemployment statistics end of it?  thanks.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 07:56 | 436276 reading
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Your facts are off...the unemployment rate is derived by the number of those looking for work/in workforce

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 10:32 | 436443 Lux Fiat
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Yes.  However, I wouldn't be surprised to see the folks coming off of extended unemployment assistance classified as "discouraged workers", in which case, they won't be included in the headline unemp rate. 

Local store I frequent used to have the typical "youthful", clueless, possibly GED educated, cashiers.  Of late, I'm seeing more middle-aged, well-groomed, seemingly college-educated or better folks behind the registers.  Does not give me the warm fuzzies regarding the economy.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 12:20 | 436553 fearsomepirate
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When teenagers are prohibited from accepting wages below $9 per hour, well, the grocery store is going to hire people who aren't quit the screw-ups that teenagers are.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 11:12 | 436478 quintago
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and how exactly do you measure who is looking for work? perhaps have them write in every other week that they are looking?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 11:40 | 436470 I need more asshats
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Pain... Oh who gives a shit!

I need a job! I need to be comforted, taken care of, loved, entertained, supported, fulfilled.

I need my mommy, the womb, the warmth, the insulation, the safety.

I need.

What a group of fagots. I mean what a group of Glenn Becks.

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 23:33 | 435950 ozziindaus
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I believe we entered war the last time the unemployment rate hit 25%. 

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

Government scheme to get public hawkish since bullish didn't transpire. If this doesn't work, people will go apeshitish with pitchforkishes.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 00:11 | 436019 WeeWilly
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Shee-it Ozz, we're in two wars already. How many will it take to get us out of this mess?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 01:31 | 436091 Burnbright
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All the wars!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 06:41 | 436239 MarketTruth
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One wonders, once this all 'hits the fan' will MSM be pushing those unemployed to join the armed forces? Will there be more commercials showing how 'cool' it is to kill people via their PS2/xBox remote controlling drones? As i recall, that is exactly what happened in the early stages of this war years ago. Brings new meaning to first person shooter 'games'. Then again many Americans are a bit, how shall i say this, not qualified for duty due to their physical fitness.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 07:53 | 436273 Miss Expectations
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I was shocked by the Army ads I saw when I took my son to see Shrek Forever After - The Final Chapter.

I recall 2 years ago, I had "the conversation" with my neighbor about my worries about the coming depression/economic crash and how it will end in War.  She said she wasn't concerned because her son had dyslexia, allergies, asthma and flat feet (he's fat, too).  No worries.  Yesterday she told me she was upset that the "stimulus" didn't pass because it means her library assistant job at the local elementary school will be cut.  It was 8:30 in the morning and she had a can of diet pepsi in her hand.  She's obese, has type 1 diabetes and wears an insulin pump.   Oh, and I've never seen her husband without a can of beer in his hand.  And, she's my best neighbor.  So, unfortunately, all of this get to know your neighbors...bla bla bla isn't the answer...at least for me.  Someone could do a reality tv series about the assholes on my block.  Want to hear about the retired police officer next door whose pension is OVER $100,000?  His single daughter and granddaughter who are collecting welfare and food stamps?  The registered sex offender? 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 09:49 | 436374 LeBalance
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When wallowing with pigs....

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 09:58 | 436387 bernorange
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Sounds like you haven a lot of material to write a compelling Hollywood sitcom.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 11:23 | 436490 tmosley
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Sounds like you need to move.  I live next door to a family that is more prepared than I am, and that's saying something.  Between the two of us, we have the resources to supply the rest of the neighborhood if we have to, and that's without my farming contacts.  Some of our other neighbors have significant capabilities as well, even if half of them are on welfare or disability.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 11:44 | 436516 almost_have_a_name
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Dude,

Sounds like the making of a Chuck Palahniuk novel. What a rich/diversified culture !

I'm only happy to pay my taxes for their disfunction.

 

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 11:10 | 436477 Vendetta
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How many wars? ... as many as it takes. Trade policies won't be touched as the money people try to control things with currency valuation schemes.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 13:13 | 436609 RockyRacoon
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The U. S. could do war on consignment -- sorta like those folks who sell stuff on eBay that is consigned.  We could subcontract some hellish weapons to folks like Xe and get some IPOs  going for new war companies.  Oooh, I can't wait.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 04:30 | 436192 jeff montanye
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oz, shadowstats didn't help me find out when that was.  their data went back only a decade or so.  may be my fault.  last time unemployment was over 20% in u.s. may have been '32, though it jumped up in '38 too.  war started in europe in '39, in u.s. in '41.  doesn't bode well, given the current two plus and counting.  ron paul has the right ideas on these endless wars.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 06:17 | 436223 Bringin It
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I think the idea is that at some point prior to shadowstats, the BLS numbers were reliable. 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 09:38 | 436355 RossInvestor
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The non-farm UE would need to be about 34% today to be equivalent to the UE of the 1930's.  Back then about 27% of the populace still lived on farms as compared to 2% today.

Also, note most of the USG statistical data for the 1930's was developed after the fact in the 1940's.  Record keeping during the GD 1.0 was poor or non-existant.-15

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 11:48 | 436520 tmosley
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In the 1930's, the underemployed were counted as unemployed.  Make that change, and our unemployment is up to around 22%  In addition, back then, the women generally didn't work.  Since we have transitioned to a two-worker per household society, one member of a household losing thier job is likely to impoverish most families.  As such, the impact of our unemployment rate is similar to that of a 30% unemployment rate back in the 30's.  The main difference is that we have had a lot of industrial development in the meantime (not to mention the fact that Chinese policies keep the purchasing power of the dollar up), so food and other necessities are much cheaper.

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 23:34 | 435951 Gully Foyle
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Is it a Depression yet?

No one seems worried about millions of people without money in the hot summer. It's like a subplot in a Spike Lee film.

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 23:41 | 435962 ozziindaus
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I believe the rules are:

10% drop in GDP (from peak), 25% unemployment and I think the last indicator has something to do with the length of recession. Anyway, Michigan is already there. 

 

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 23:52 | 435980 bob_dabolina
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I believe the rules are:

-If your neighbor is out of work than it is a recession.

-If you are out of work it is a depression.

-If you are Barney Frank than you are FAABBUULLOOUUUS!!!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 09:32 | 436353 Rebel
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If Barney Frank and Chriss Dodd are out of work, you have a Recovery.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 09:51 | 436377 LeBalance
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if BF and CD are out of work, hide the ten year olds.  With them in work its just 11 and up.

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