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With 15 Minutes Of Fame Rapidly Approaching Their End, Assange Nets $1.5 Million Book Deal

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With Julian Assange's 15 minutes of fame threatening to cut into royalty revenues, the Wikileaks founder has, for better or worse, decided to monetize on his recent fame. The FT reports that "Julian Assange has signed book deals worth more than £1m in the US and UK, to allow the WikiLeaks founder to cover his legal fees and maintain the whistleblowing site." Specifically, "he has agreed an $800,000 (£520,000) contract with Knopf, a US imprint of Random House, the Bertelsmann-owned publisher, and another £325,000 deal for the UK with Canongate, an independent publishing house based in Edinburgh." And since the publication of these books will likely be predicated upon the continued 'backstopped' existence of the Australian, it is probably quite safe to assume that neither his "insurance" torrent, nor his presumably imminent data dump on one or more US banks will have a bite anywhere commensurate with the much advertised bark.

While many may be tempted to see this as a sell out attempt by the former hacker, his personal opinion is that this is merely an action borne out of necessity:

Although the deals are expected to net Mr Assange more than £1.1m ($1.7m) after the book is sold in other countries and serialised in newspapers around the world, Mr Assange said he had agreed to write his autobiography only reluctantly.

“I don’t want to write this book, but I have to,” he told the Sunday Times. “I have already spent £200,000 for legal costs and I need to defend myself and to keep WikiLeaks afloat.”

Shockingly, Assange is not the only one to soon have to field allegations of selling out:

[Assange] will be racing a disgruntled former colleague to release an autobiography telling his side of the WikiLeaks story. Both books are to be published by divisions of Random House next year.

As to just what the use of proceeds split will be, it is as of yet, unknown:

Mr Assange did not describe how he would divide the proceeds from his autobiography between his own personal legal costs and the operational funds required by WikiLeaks, which he has described as a large and distributed organisation that is not solely reliant on him.

WikiLeaks’ operational costs have more than tripled since it drew up budgeting plans at the beginning of the year, due to the increased scope of information it has reviewed and published. Before “cablegate”, it released huge amounts of files about the Iraqi and Afghan wars.

On the other hand, Assange does deserve the benefit of the doubt: after all the banks and merchant service operators have made public funding for his company next to impossible.

The whistleblowing site relies largely on donations from individuals, but had its fund-raising channels curtailed after several US financial services firms stopped processing payments to its account.

Bank of America, MasterCard, Visa and PayPal have all stopped directing funds to WikiLeaks in recent weeks. They deny Mr Assange’s accusations that the actions were politically motivated. Mr Assange’s Swiss bank has also frozen his account.

That said, there is nothing the big banks would like than to have the broader population perceive Assange as a sell out and no longer give credence to any future disclosures.

In conclusion, Assange has so far demonstrated he is a useful distributor of data, which for the most part has proven to be perfectly innocuous to date, and nothing that nobody with half a brain could not have figured out on their own. Yes, the confirmation is damning of those in control, but it is not like anyone doubted their stupidity in the first place. We have yet to see Assange release something that may actually be a game changer for that most important aspect of modern life: that of financial control. And with each passing day, we, as well as everyone else, are getting increasingly disenchanted with Mr. Assange's disclosure policies: the longer he delays releasing whatever ruinous bank information he has (if any) the less the impact of such data on the banking system will ultimately be. After all there is an economic "recovery" (or so we are brainwashed into believing every day), and fairly soon nobody will even object that Wall Street is staring at a comp pool that is about 6 times greater than the net income generated by the entire industry. Because after all, that is what Ben Bernanke wants. And who even dares to think any more about challenging the Chairman.


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Mon, 12/27/2010 - 17:54 | 832263 traderjoe
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Sell out Bitchez!

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:52 | 832674 Thomas
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The guy was a hero a week ago, and now you guys turn on him like dogs. Go figure. How about the fact that he needs to fund an operation that is being strangled. I don't see many other people sticking their necks out. I would expect the anti-establishment crowd on this blog to cut him a little more slack.

Reminds me of Michael Berry, the guy who shorted the crap out of the mortgage market. He made his investors a fortune leading up to that point. As soon as he takes them out on a limb they sue him and drag his ass through courts. He ends up making them a ton of money again. What do all the guys who sued him and then got rich again do? Nothing. Not one of them even apologized. Rise above that standard.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 06:38 | 832978 gravitas
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+ 1.5M

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 06:13 | 837349 benburnyanki
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These lame as posers just tossed some Bill Clinton style politisexsational shite in your ears and eyes again ningkompoops. This dude is CIA knotheads. You know Arabs invented Algebra. You really stupid Gringos now on all that Fluorine Water you got in pipes. (lead in DC too)

CNN Jew Mafia worky hard to keep you dumb ass thinkin' Lohan when you should move your hand from down low and back hi to start paddlin' for Mexico Gringo. USA sucks. Us Mexis are bailin'. Ciao Babies....

Mayer Lansky Jew Mob Boss ran america, not the Sicialian Mafias folks.

All pigs are worthless since they all have families or bitches that would die if they arrest mafia.

So pigs are worthless except to give out tickets. They only show up after you dead or raped so learn jew-jitzu! no pun intended.

Now repeat after me: this is my rifle this is my gun, this one's fer mafia, this one's for c*nt.

Ben Burnyankee say: "We wacked Jesus & JFK for Bank Bustin' and walked, and have a 40 foot container of Gringo Bar-B-Q sauce"

Read Best Bank Book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy":

See NSA and CIA drug dealin' in USA:




Tue, 12/28/2010 - 10:54 | 833237 Thomas
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Thanks Gravitas. I came back to check my junk count. Expected about 100.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 11:19 | 833331 SilverRhino
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>> How about the fact that he needs to fund an operation that is being strangled.


If he'd actually RELEASE some information on the bank in question I might actually buy this one.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:33 | 832265 Mercury
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Totally predictable. I mean, just so you know... He’s kind of a big fucking deal

I've always thought this guy was a jerk off with at least one eye on reality show type PR -  #785039

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:51 | 832595 JW n FL
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Sell the idea of how he is a bad, bad man to the sheepeople... sell it! sell the idiots, in the plainest terms possible how Julian... for telling the truth, is a bad, bad man... sell the sheepeople how lies are good, for them and everyone else as well... SELL IT!

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:01 | 832642 Mercury
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Politics is not about the search for truth and Assange himself is hardly politically disinterested. If nothing else I'm sure he will make that abundantly clear in his upcoming book.  Whatever freedom-of-information ethos Wikileaks may have had originally it has since been subordinated by Assange's editorial and political agenda.  Personally I am not wild about Assange's political views such as they are apparent to me but your mileage may vary.

Several months ago Assange talked about how simply setting information (or, truth as you may have it) free wasn't quite enough to provoke people off their dumb, lazy asses to do what he wished them to do. Therefore his enlightened spin became necessary to propel the goods (and himself) into the headlines:

So very early on we understood from experiences like this that we would have to, at least, give summaries of the material we were releasing. At least summaries, to get people to pick it up, to get journalists to pick it up, to get them to dig deeper. And if we didn't have a summary to put the thing in context, it would just fall into the gutter and never been seen again.

Full interview here:

What Assange is doing and what you think he is doing (or what his organization once claimed it was doing) may be very different things.

Further down on this page Crocket Almanac has posted links to Wikileaks material sorted by country.  Among them is Cuba, a place of particular concern to myself. Are American shenanigans in Guantanamo (deplorable as they may be) really the only worthy items of note from that particular part of the world in terms of helping other fellow human beings in their struggles against state authoritarianism and official violence - really?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:20 | 832714's picture

Further down on this page Crocket Almanac has posted links to Wikileaks material sorted by country.  Among them is Cuba, a place of particular concern to myself. Are American shenanigans in Guantanamo (deplorable as they may be) really the only worthy items of note from that particular part of the world in terms of helping other fellow human beings in their struggles against state authoritarianism and official violence - really?


Assange can't publish documents he hasn't received. Apparently, Cubans don't leak much. Perhaps that's why Nixon made sure he had a few amongst his team of plumbers.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:52 | 832757 Mercury
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Or Assange publishes selectively and/or he has conveyed the impression that he is only interested in publishing or cultivating sources for certain kinds of material.   Cuban ex-pats and anti-Castro activists (both on and off the island) are hardly a bunch of wallflowers.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:55 | 832763's picture

Cuban ex-pats and anti-Castro activists (both on and off the island) are hardly a bunch of wallflowers.


Then why would they need Assange to publish their leaks? Let them publish away and you can post the link here.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:29 | 832792 Mercury
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The point is Assange is a political activist with pretty specific ideas about what best constitutes a worthy target and that's not the same thing as purporting to be selflessly working toward the elimination of state secrets or leveling the playing field between people and their governments or making the world more aware of state criminality or setting information free or whatever the hell other great things people think this guy is doing in the name of transparency and justice.

Having watched this thing unfold over the last year one can be forgiven for drawing comparisons to a bunch of college chicks at a Free Mumia rally.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:30 | 832797's picture

The point is Assange is a political activist with pretty specific ideas about what targets are most worthy of his efforts


So are you part of the "Assange is an America-hating terrorist" brigade or do you associate with the "Assange is an agent of Zionist propaganda" contingent?

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:52 | 832819 Aristarchan
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Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:14 | 832854's picture

Yes. The "Assange is an America-hating terrorist" brigade likes Israel while the "Assange is an agent of Zionist propaganda" contingent dislikes Israel. The first group are Palinites and neocons and the second group are mainly "truthers."

But they all hate Julian Assange.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:20 | 832866 Aristarchan
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As usual, I was just being a fucking malcontent and a smartass.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:56 | 832828 Mercury
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Primarily, I'm in the Assange Wants You To Think He's A Big Fucking Deal brigade.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:08 | 832849's picture

Primarily, I'm in the Assange Wants You To Think He's A Big Fucking Deal brigade.


Is that what you meant when you said, "Assange is a political activist with pretty specific ideas?" There seems to be a disconnect.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 08:20 | 833003 Mercury
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No, it's just that Julian is kind of complicated you know? Sort of like he's a loner and he's a rebel, not religious but very spiritual.

He just wants to make the world a better place but....well, other men can only hope to understand by sending him money and women by taking their clothes off...

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 10:55 | 833245 Living_Stone
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Tue, 12/28/2010 - 14:07 | 833780 JW n FL
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"Or Assange publishes selectively"


Sell It!!!! Spin Master!!! Sell That Shit!!!!


Omega 7 is / was a bunch of pushovers hence Castro still is breathing... so shut the fuck up, you have no clue about anything of which you choose to speak.


Spin Master... spin the sheepeople a tale..

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:58 | 832766 Aristarchan
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Ok...I am sold.....

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:05 | 832840 lawrence1
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Once in an art gallery I saw a spray bottle titled
"Guilt Away." "Truth Away" would sell even better to all the sheeple who are truth allergic.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:06 | 832844 Aristarchan
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There is no truth. There is only perception.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:15 | 832856 Terminus C
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ding ding ding... we have a winnar!

perception, perspective and point of view... there is no truth except for that which you believe to be true.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:26 | 832873 Aristarchan
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And that is generally a lie made up of perceptions based on what you desire as reality.

"I hate reality, but it is the only place to get a decent steak."

- Cloquet

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 14:39 | 833874 Mercury
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...and your own, special, perceived truth plus ten bucks will buy you lunch.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:22 | 832867 palmereldritch
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There is only perception.

Ahhhh...'perception'...moral relativism's hotter sister

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:29 | 832877 Aristarchan
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True....but you better watch out for her, she has a Syphilis chancre in her left nostril and a colony of nits in her eyebrows.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 02:26 | 832913 palmereldritch
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true enough

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 17:59 | 832275 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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"How I Teased the Financial System" by Julian Assange

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:39 | 832317 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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"How I Told the World that I Had Info No One Had, Except We All Knew That Bac Was About to Have a Forclosure Crisis, So the Info I Had Made No Difference Because Everyone Knew It Already"

And the sequal

"I Reveal Information People Should Already Know For a Living"

His news doesn't surprise me, and doesn't impress me.  I mean we all knew Hill was a total biotch, and that drones are wrecking havoc in Af/Pak.  We all know that the corporations do business with Iran.  We know Bac is bankrupt.  Who fucking cares about Assange anymore, TD is right, 15 over!  Put up or shutup!

Instead of discussing the fact that the dollar holds no intrinsic value, we discuss if there is proof that Bac screwed their clients.  Come ON!

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 19:15 | 832365 Prof Gulliver
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His biggest revelation will be that a BAC branch in Tucson, Arizona, refused to validate for parking and that another branch in Dayton, Ohio, doesn't refresh the pens regularly, so customers have to use their own writing instruments.

Yes, it's time for this doofus to quietly go away.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:50 | 832495's picture

"I Reveal Information People Should Already Know For a Living"


There is a difference between claiming to know something and being able to cite official documents to back up your assumptions. If someone committed a crime against you and you had a suspect in mind but had no proof would you laugh in the face of a man who provided a photograph of the crime taking place?

Is it really a bad thing to have official documentation of US government lies concerning Iranian espionage, the gift of dancing boys from a US corporation to our Afghan allies, US government bribery of foreign officials for support on so-called global warming or the harassment of foreign governments who do not want to feed their populations with GMO crops?

If evidence of such things is a bad thing, then let's petition Tyler to provide no more news, interviews, charts, graphs or data but only guesses and vague innuendos. That ought to make everybody wiser and happier.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:10 | 832514 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I understand, and it is nice to have Kissenger on tape saying he doesn't care about jews burning in concentration camps because he deserves to be slandered.  So this and that happened and now we talk about it around the water cooler, what are we going to do about it?  There is no action behind Wiki, and I feel it is creating only a swirl of distraction.  I mean, the dollar is not real, it is not constitutional, the National Income tax is unconstitutional.  Yet we care that Hill Clinton mouths off to the rest of the world, and Julian has something on Bac, just wait for it. 

If Assage releases documents that I was not aware of then I will give him credit, until then I will say he should show us the documents.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:17 | 832533's picture

So this and that happened and now we talk about it around the water cooler, what are we going to do about it?

And how is that Assange's fault? Sounds like people are pissed off because the more we learn about the crimes of government the more cowardly we know ourselves to be because we do nothing about it.


If Assage releases documents that I was not aware of then I will give him credit, until then I will say he should show us the documents.

Are you saying that you know the contents of all 250,000 cables? I don't think that is even humanly possible. Show me someone who has memorized 250,000 pages of anything and maybe I'll believe you.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:27 | 832550 Millivanilli
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Assange is a CIA operative.  He dumps nothing but junk labeled as a national security nightmare.   The govt. in the pursuit of patriotism- see 911, will censor and control the internet.   Mission accomplished.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:28 | 832552 Millivanilli
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Assange is a CIA operative.  He dumps nothing but junk labeled as a national security nightmare.   The govt. in the pursuit of patriotism- see 911, will censor and control the internet.   Mission accomplished.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:46 | 832562's picture

Assange is a CIA operative.


I guess that makes you Bob Novak.


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:11 | 832622 Millivanilli
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Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:43 | 832644's picture

You have once again presented us with supposition instead of fact. Please provide evidence to back up your claim.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:04 | 832696 chindit13
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Wake up, man!  Don't you know Assange has yet to reveal the fact that visiting alien thespians impregnated Alec Baldwin's mother five decades ago?  You think one family can really produce that many actors?  They ain't the Barrymores.

If that isn't proof Assange is CIA, I don't know what is.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:28 | 832729's picture

You think one family can really produce that many actors? They ain't the Barrymores.


Recently concluded viewing the entire Kung Fu series. In the last season Caine finds his brother and his nephew. The nephew, Zeke, is played by John Blythe Barrymore (half-brother of Drew Barrymore, son of John Drew Barrymore, grandson of the original John Barrymore, great nephew of Ethel and Lionel Barrymore.

But you know what? The kid couldn't act. I mean, he's horrifically bad at it. Bad enough to make a point of going on an Internet forum and telling folks in a completely off-topic post, "That John Blythe Barrymore really stinks!"

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 08:45 | 833012 New_Meat
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Assange is a CIA operative.


"I guess that makes you Bob Novak."

No, but I'd buy Richard Armitage.

- Ned

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:44 | 832586 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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First, more than anything, I am pissed he will not release whatever data he has on Bac.  After that, I am not impressed by any of his data.  It is all no shit stuff.  Does he have access to interesting facts?  Of course.  Has he changed the game?  No, Assange has not proven to be the game changer he was hyped to be.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:52 | 832596's picture

I am not impressed by any of his data.  It is all no shit stuff.

Have you read all of the cables? What percentage of the hundreds of thousands of documents leaked from governments and corporations around the globe which have been released over the years by Wikileaks have you read?


No, Assange has not proven to be the game changer he was hyped to be.

Precisely who promised you exactly what about the material published by Wikileaks?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:54 | 832668 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I have read hundreds of them.  I read the ones ZH posted.  Out of the hundreds that I skimmed, I did not see anything that caught my attention.  I chuckled when Hill was busted for being a demagogue, I smiled when the House of Saud showed their oil reserves are declining, I said no shit when Iran was shown to have corporate ties, but yes I knew that news.  So on and so on I was not dumb founded by any news. 

Which cables do you think are ground breaking?  Do you know anything that would make my knees buckle?  If you do not then I will say you hyped him, along with his other uber groupies; and honestly I will not say that your time was wasted, nor his, but I am not impressed by anything I have read yet.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:39 | 832738's picture

Do you know anything that would make my knees buckle?

Why is that the criteria for relevance? Have you closed your eyes to everything in life that doesn't cause you to fall violently to the floor?


Which cables do you think are ground breaking?

Once again you seem to miss the importance of documentary evidence. It is important to have evidence that the US lied about an Iranian spy plane supposedly shot down over Yemen, that the government bribed third world nations to support international global warming legislation, that Dynacorp provided under-aged boys to Afghan contractors, that the US government is actively undermining foreign nations and citizens who do not want GMO crops in their food supply.

How can you not see the importance of having documentary evidence of these malfeasant acts?

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:34 | 832791 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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What changed?  Deatbeat rednecks still think it is a good thing, a necessary evil, that we should fight Al CIAduh as to lock up the opium reserves.  Seriously, and guess what, it is the audacious liberals too!  America wants to keep the world wide police state in lock down.  We all know we kill innocent people to keep the military strong.  Why did Congress pass the world's largest military budget for the 3rd year running?  Democrats are war mongers!  Republicans are War mongers!!  Nobody cares that Iranian spy planes are using government government funds to buy McDonalds for the soldiers.

What can change the idiosyncrasies that undermined the status quo can be understood as unfortunate creating of derivatives and the debt owed by Americans, public and private.  It was easy for them to adapt to a world that is dominated by the reserve currency, the dollar.  The complacency has led to desperation, and it will end in despair.  Along the way the people will be faced by the actions of the empire.  When will that be, I don't know.

There is information that could make a difference.  If the Bac information is released then maybe Americans will stand up because they will be directly affected.  Maybe they will understand that they are the bag holders, they are supposed to pay the debt on the system that Bac is hurting.  Also, what about silver manipulation, does Julian have that too?  We know about the silver manipulation, why are we not talking about that?  The Federal Income Tax is unconstitutional, why aren't we talking about that?  There is much more to talk about than GMO food supply.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:39 | 832805's picture

Who are you faulting in this analysis?

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:47 | 832808 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I want Assange to release his bank docs, then I want the American people to react.  Along the way I too will weigh in.  Bada bing, badda boom, and the job is done.

Who am I faulting?  Everyone, but not equally.  I also heavily fault the academia.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:58 | 832830's picture

The bank docs are supposed to be coming early in the new year. No reason to believe they won't. It does take time to sift through and organize five gigs of data.

I predict that the American people won't do a damned thing other than bitch for a moment before changing the channel. Look instead for a meaningful reaction from stockholders, competitors, regulators, etc.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:09 | 832620 wisefool
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"Are you saying that you know the contents of all 250,000 cables? I don't think that is even humanly possible. Show me someone who has memorized 250,000 pages of anything and maybe I'll believe you."

LLMs in tax for sure have memorized that many pages, and maybe even that guy at work that offers to do your taxes for cheaper than turbotax after the mail in-rebate.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:33 | 832649's picture

You're kidding, right?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:33 | 832556 Millivanilli
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Assange is a CIA operative.




Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:47 | 832579's picture

Let's see the evidence.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:51 | 832594 Millivanilli
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Assange released nothing of importance.   He is working for the CIA.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:58 | 832603's picture

Are all persons who have not leaked documents which you consider to be important agents of the CIA? If not, then that's not evidence.

Please provide evidence for your claim.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:30 | 832796 eblair
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Where's the reformation???  Assange promsised on July 18th: "By the years end, a reformation.  Lights on.  Rats out."  So far nobody has lost their job because of anything that Wikileaks has released.  There has been no reformation.  What there has been is increasing reason to believe that at worst Assange is a thoroughly compromised asset of one or more intelligence agencies and at best that Assange is still a kid who really doesn't have a fucking clue what he is trying to do.  Tell us Almanac, do you believe that there has been a reformation?

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:46 | 832809's picture

Tell us Almanac, do you believe that there has been a reformation?


No, I don't. I believe that the Wiki staffer who posted that message to Twitter was being a bit overenthusiastic. Surely you're not suggesting that anyone with unrealistically high expectations for a pet project works for the CIA?

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 09:52 | 833076 eblair
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Oh come on.  Now Assange doesn't control what goes out on Twitter for WL?  How convenient.  And as for what I am suggesting, the premise would be more than 9 words.  How old are you?  Get your BA in shillery and get back to me.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:40 | 832886 chindit13
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This is logic?

What Assange is guilty of, if anything, is overestimating the importance anybody would place on the information to which he had access.  Just because you were expecting a bigger blockbuster does not make him guilty of anything except, perhaps, hyperbole or self-promotion.

In the interest of fairness, you have to consider the null hypothesis, which is that all of the things you believe are simply wrong, so there are no "secrets" to be leaked.

Plenty of people believe dozens of conspiracies and write incessantly about them, including Tarpley.  He has not released even one official government document regarding, for example, the planning for 911, even though anyone who had such documents would know how to contact him.  Thus, by your logic (sic) Tarpley is CIA.  Heck, Tyler would publish them if someone sent them to him.  Tyler is CIA? 

Or you're all wrong.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 09:57 | 833090 eblair
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He's not a movie director.  He's a political actor.  He's made promises.  He is not keeping them.  He should be judged harshly.  There has been no reformation.  And it is looking highly likely that nobody who is anybody will ever lose their job because of WL. 

"Plenty of people believe dozens of conspiracies and write incessantly about them, including Tarpley."

And fewer and fewer people believe everything that Wolf Blitzer tells them. 




Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:35 | 832803 Aristarchan
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So, I work for the CIA? fucking cool! do I get a double-nought number and a really shaggable chick? I think what is going on here is one of those deals where "there is no evidence of its truth, but it is obviously a fact."

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:46 | 832810 Hephasteus
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Look. I'm going to make this real fucking simple. It's all about servants. Your civil servants are not your servants they are thier MASTER'S servants. A cop will lay you out in the parking lot of the Circle K over 400 bucks if his masters tell him too. Corporate america jumps all over the military's nuts trying to become part of the facist servant crowd. Then they go and act like fucking fools thinking they got a big dog protecting them. Doctors and Dentists do the same fucking thing. Dentists have POISONED millions of people with mercury amalgam fillings. They don't give a fuck. They got cops and military protecting them.I watched a goddamn doctor on TV talking crap about coffee being good for you.

It's real simple. As loyalty between and amongst those who govern goes to infinity justice goes to zero. That's the fucking equation. Pure and simple. You are staring at the face of infinite loyalty in a governing fucking body. All that is going to happen is they are going to fuck you over and over and over and over until you either buy the line of crap of forgiveness is the only way or you become such a dangerous fucking animal they won't let you play any more.

Julian Assange is BULLSHIT. If wikileaks was what it says it is there wouldn't be an Air Force guy in fucking MILITARY JAIL for leaking the MURDER OF BLOOMBERG REPORTERS VIDEO.

If you've got money buy gasoline build a huge pit, pour it in and set it on fire. If you got brains find every drug plant on the planet and gene therapy a total fucking nightmare disease for it or a bug that devours it. If you've got hate pour it all over the fucking government till they scream i'm not a goddamn pancake quit covering me in your hate fucking syrup you angry fucking aunt jemima bitch.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:56 | 832826 Aristarchan
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Can you repeat that please?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:52 | 832599 JW n FL
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You dont like his presentation... and his presentation... is what is important for you..


The facts... mean nothing... its his hair cut? how he said it.. all that is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more important.. well you have spoken on your true self!


Go paint some stop abortion signs up and blow up an clinic or something... cause you are boring the Fuck! out of me.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:07 | 832283 RobotTrader
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As usual, Assange is now an instant celebrity.  He'll be on all the talk shows, and will start lecturing for huge sums.

Next thing you know, he'll be tracked by because various celebrity chicks will be swarming him.

And just like Nouriel Roubini, he'll be the next to buy a $5.5 million condo in Manhattan.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:26 | 832307 velobabe
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another version of a sarah palin. i think this story continues. it is hilarious. with the original charge of not wearing a rubber or it broke. cum on robo, this is madeinhollywood stuff. i am just really enjoying my meandering thoughts about who this chap is! never really even heard of leakie weeks 6 months ago. didn't pay it no mind.

hey, how is it hanging, robo?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:10 | 832286 Stanley Lord
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Why are you all surprised?, he was a phoney from Day One

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:10 | 832287 malikai
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Let's not write him off too soon. They did good work in Iceland, which did lead to the prompt sacking of people involved and changes for the better (presumably).

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:13 | 832289 umop episdn
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I think I recognize bad theater when I see it. After all, it's what the goobermint does best. And since when is it such a horrible chore to write a book and get paid 1.7 million dlolars?

I do know that if I had anything whistleblower worthy, I certainly would not sit on the info and taunt Big Brother.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:53 | 832501's picture

I do know that if I had anything whistleblower worthy, I certainly would not sit on the info and taunt Big Brother.

And if you had balls you'd be a man. So what's your point?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:26 | 832291 doomandbloom
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hahah...i did predict this....

now watch out for the movie to be released...



by doomandbloom 
on Wed, 12/15/2010 - 13:54

...yes...similar to the lawsuits that will soon be bought against Hedge fund managers for insider trading...


Not sure how much info Julian Assange will leak but my guess is that an offer has been made to Julian ...where the interested parties will guarantee  him a)Significant publicity,b)Autobiography,c) Movie rights, d)Women & e) Millions

In return all he has to do is--- avoid releasing a very small set of information---( most likely the banks).

lets see how that pans out...

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:37 | 832321 Agent P
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"now watch out for the movie to be released..."

...starring Cate Blanchett.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:03 | 832429 the rookie cynic
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Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:19 | 832302 b_thunder
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I bet this will royally piss off the WikiLeaks "rank and file" - all those passionate young people that thought they're part of something big, clean and pure.  hahaha!  sort of like those Obama "volunteers" who got him elected, and now he basically spat on them...

I'm just dying to see how long it will take for the "non profit" hackers to make their views known (by hacking Assange's PC, phone, email and bank accounts)


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:20 | 832303 DOGGONE
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I reckon that Assange is an honest guy, intellectually and otherwise.

Do you suppose he/WL will show this truth:
Serial Herd Behaviors
“Real Homes, Real Dow” at

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:23 | 832305 Ancona
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I want to see this supposedly "damning" information from the mystery executive at BOA.

This had better not turn out to be a Geraldo special, like Al Capone's vault.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:23 | 832306 Duuude
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He has caused the searchlight to be a bit brighter.

Might keep the attention of tha masses for another nanosecond or so.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:30 | 832309 Jasper M
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"since the publication of these books will likely be predicated upon the continued 'backstopped' existence of the Australian, it is probably quite safe to assume that neither his "insurance" torrent, nor his presumably imminent data dump on one or more US banks will have a bite anywhere commensurate with the much advertised bark."

I think that statement proceeds form false assumptions. For one, the deal may very well include posthumous biography privileges – and if you think he's famous now, just imAGine what he'll be like post-mortem! He'd be the Jesus of the computer age, and that book would be the new bible. 

   And it just gets worse for is enemies if they kill him after he publishes real bite. 

That said I expect "insurance" to stay encrypted, as (if he understands game theory at all, which he seems to), it will full of items he has decided he can push his agenda without using. 

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:50 | 832497 macholatte
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...and if you think he's famous now, just imAGine what he'll be like post-mortem!


Hotblack Desiato is the ajuitar keyboard player of the rock group Disaster Area, claimed to be the loudest band in the universe, and in fact the loudest sound of any kind, anywhere. So loud is this band that the audience usually listens from the safe distance of thirty seven miles away in a well-built concrete bunker. Disaster Area's lavish performances went so far as to crash a space ship into the sun to create a solar flare. Hotblack is spending a year dead "for tax reasons".

-- Douglas Adams


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:31 | 832313 bugs_
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The Assange Lametematum

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:31 | 832314 Thanatos
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TD is picking up some new lingo...

He must be doing his homework.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:57 | 832506's picture

Time to send TD the plaster casts of the bigfoot prints leading to the UFO that caused 9/11.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:45 | 832589 DavidPierre
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From someone who whole heartedly believes  Walt Disney's 'Offical' version of  USSA history by holding Davy Crocko'Shit... genocidal murderer, land usurper and slave owner... up as his all time hero.

Mock others... Be mocked in return.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:05 | 832614's picture

Yes, only bad people make reference to historical figures like David Crockett. Ron Paul, for example. But then you already hated him for calling 9/11 truth "preposterous."


"Many of the founders would have been horrified to see modern politicians define compassion as giving away other people's money stolen through confiscatory taxation. In the words of the famous essay by former Congressman Davy Crockett, this money is Not Yours to Give.''


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:27 | 832641 DavidPierre
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1836: MEXICO.

Ah yes, remember the Alamo.

They your much admired Disney bullshit and propaganda machine really gets cranked up on this one. A handful of valiant, freedom-loving Americans pluckily fighting the swarthy, evil Mexican oppressor and giving their lives in the cause of liberty.

Makes your heart beat real proud in your star spangled chest, don’t it?

And who are these heroes of liberty?

Davy Crockett, ethnic cleanser and slave owner. Jim Bowie, land speculator, slave owner and slave trader. And what were our heroes doing in the Alamo mission in the first place besides trying to expand slavery by stealing land?

In 1835, there were about twenty thousand Americans and four thousand slaves living in the Mexican state of Texas, most of the slaves engaged in making their owners wealthier by the cultivation of cotton. In December of 1835, the Mexican government effectively banned slavery in Texas.

Always keen to defend freedom and liberty, the American settlers attempted to secede and steal Texas from Mexico in order to maintain slavery and the wealth and power they derived from it.

Mexican General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna arrived with troops and laid seige to the Catholic mission of the Alamo, which the slaveowners had seized. At the end of a thirteen day seige, all the inhabitants of the Alamao, with the exception of women, children and slaves, were dead.

The seige of the Alamo is then re-invented, the truth turned upside down, becoming yet another of the great lies of American “history”, spread through a host of movies, television programs, books and articles.

ZHers should take a minute to check out your little Davey Crocko'shit blog for some more insight into your obsessionive love of Joseph Goebbels history.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:41 | 832659's picture

Thanks for pointing folks to my blog (not much new, sorry to say). I post under my domain name but I rarely link directly to it as this is seen as "pimping." So again, thanks for the plug.

Not real sure why you're so obsessed with Walt Disney. Was your mother frightened by a troop of dwarfs when she was pregnant with you?

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:58 | 832833 lawrence1
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Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:14 | 832780 DavidPierre
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Mr. Crock o'Shit:

Not real sure why you is so obsessed with The Mickey Mouse's version of let's pretend USSA history.  But bein' as Yo Mama was happy as pie to be done by a troop of seven retards when she wants to, and gots  herself all pregnants with you:  I will try as I might to get's thru that thick skull of yores sum insites and troofs.



Paranoiac cartoon mogul and FBI snitch Walt Disney, teetering on the edge of complete mental disintegration, tells the loonies on the House Un-American Activities Committee that "communists" at his studio are trying to use Mickey Mouse to spread "communist" propaganda

Wacky Walt, always keen to sanitize, totally distort and misrepresent American history, releases his film Song of the South which portrays black slaves as having had a cosy, almost family-like relationship with their owners.

Nationwide protests of the film's misrepresentation of reality are staged.

Black cast members of Song of the South are barred from attending the premiere of the movie in Atlanta thanks to the city's official policy of apartheid.

Immediately after its creation, one of the CIA's first acts is the launching of an illegal war against the citizens of the United States which it calls, ironically, Project Mockingbird. Mockingbird is designed to deceive and manipulate the American public by controlling the content of American newspapers, magazines, books, movies and the broadcast media.

A secret CIA memo unearthed by the Church Committee in 1975 says that “newsmen are cheaper to buy than a call-girl”... kind'a likes
Yo Mama.


If you use ad hominems... best learn to do it right...Sonny.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:05 | 832842's picture

If you use ad hominems... best learn to do it right...Sonny.


Brevity is the soul of wit. I don't know what raving lunacy is the soul of, but you've sure as hell got it.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:25 | 832870 DavidPierre
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Secrets of History - Davy Crockett

Davy Crockett died at the Alamo. He was? trying to escape dressed as a woman when? Santa Ana's troops caught him. He was shot and burned.



Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:34 | 832883's picture

I'm sure that's a well sourced and highly credible video. However, I am more interested in Crockett as a fictional type and vehicle for backwoods American humor and story telling:

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 03:38 | 832948 DavidPierre
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Mr. Crock o'Shit:

From your above source...

“The Crockett Almanacs are particularly mean-spirited bigotry which was reserved for African Americans and Native Americans, which “accurately and sadly reflected ante-bellum racial sensibilities and…the prevailing racist popular culture of the time” ...

 “...the slavery question, and especially the issue of slave-state expansion into the Western territories, which the Crockett Almanacs  celebrated, tore at the fragile fabric of Union.”

"...Herculean Davy who accomplished deeds far beyond the capacity of any ordinary mortal... Crockett is elevated to near-mythical status. He courted to pretend fame while alive, and…he took an active role in the creation of his  overblown legend."

Might want to reconsider your heroes... Son.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:00 | 834256's picture

Might want to reconsider your heroes... Son.

What makes you believe that he's my "hero?"


overblown legend

That's exactly the point. The Crockett Almanacs employed often bizarre literary devices which were the springboard for much of the mainstream fiction of the American Renaissance, including for example, Melville's Moby Dick and the works of E. A. Poe. Crack a book, Dad.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:33 | 832318 I Am The Unknow...
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Pure fantasy here, but I have been contemplating and trying to put together a few puzzling pieces:  what could be so devastating, and is also something we didn't already know, and needs to wait to be released and why.  So, I came up with my long shot fantasy bet and I'm hoping somebody will make a book on it in Vegas and here it is:

What if the BAC top executive had a business plan on his laptop detailing how the banks would utilize the Fed, Central Bankers, and their former employees turned puppets in high political positions to do none other than trash the dollar and implement a new world reserve currency, thus controlling the entire world's monies and therefore nations.  Said business plan would represent conspiratorial treason.  Perhaps he's waiting to release it until the new congress takes their seats and Ron Paul takes up his new seat overseeing the Fed. 

I know it is crazy sounding conspiracy stuff, but a boy can dream can't he?  Besides, I can't come up with anything more interesting....     

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:34 | 832319 grunk
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Sting plays him in the movie. Or Neil Patrick Harris.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:44 | 832335 Agent P
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Both good suggestions...please see mine above.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 19:13 | 832364 bugs_
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PeeWee Herman!

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:46 | 832337 Uncle Remus
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Meanwhile, back at DHS barracks, they prepare for a "Nuremburg" rally.

Paging Leni Riefenstahl, Leni Riefenstahl. Pick up a Weiß courtesy phone bitte.


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:49 | 832339 swissinv
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What would you do? Go to "Schwedische Gardinen", get a bunga bunga and finally get fucked by Sarah Palin?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:49 | 832343 MsCreant
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I am keeping an open mind. He might well be a flaming narcissistic ass who is exploiting hopeful, idealistic, folks who are craving for something positive to happen in a cesspool of fraud that leaves them feeling powerless and hopeless. That does not mean he does not have the goods. It does not mean he doesn't need the money. It does not mean he is a sellout and traitor. It might mean that he is living in a surreal time and moribund system that makes it necessary to "Market" one's message and strategize for maximum impact. 

That he is full of himself is clear. That does not mean it is all bullshit. At this stage keeping my wallet in my purse and an open mind harms no one. 

And he might be working for the CIA and against the administration and the banking industry. Or the real story may be way fucking weirder than that.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:43 | 832488 Arkadaba
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I agree with all of the above.

As soon as I heard about a possible book deal, I knew there would be those crying "sellout". Isn't is just possible that this could be viewed as reaching an even larger audience and paying for some legal bills? And, is it wrong to turn down a lucrative deal?  

And I agree with the comment about "marketing" one's message, which he has done exceptionally well. For me, that alone does not make him a sellout.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 18:49 | 832344 putbuyer
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Neithercorp Press has a good analysis of this sausage guy

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 19:17 | 832371 ciscokid
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Typical fool the sheeple conspiricy story.
The guy is a fake,now the bankers have silenced the big story.
Feak he almost got me there.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:08 | 832519 Arkadaba
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You are a sheep for buying the fake meme so easily. Not saying you are wrong but I wouldn't make a decision based on this info.


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 19:25 | 832374 beastie
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My how the tide of public opinion has turned.

When I suggested this guy was a narcissitic asshole not a week or two ago I was junked into RoboTrader territory. I consider that good company by the way.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 19:30 | 832382 Don Smith
Mon, 12/27/2010 - 19:48 | 832404 Uncle Remus
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This is a very dangerous game being played, lots of whales at the table.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 03:07 | 832934 Miles Kendig
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Yep.  Regardless

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 19:58 | 832419 The 22nd Prime
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Julian who?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:10 | 832439 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:19 | 832423 blindman
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Julian Assange to RT: WikiLeaks gives 'most accurate picture of war'


he works for a segment of a segment.  not the top, but


i call it an improvement.  not god, just better.

minute 7:30 pentagon..  listen

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:13 | 832444 gwar5
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I'm glad he got the dough. Now he can use cash for lawyers since the banks cut off his VISA and M/C. 

I wish he'd just dump the BAC Wikileaks already. We haven't got it yet have we? 

ACORN did the same things to the banks, except they demanded reparations to stop. Assange is no blackmailer so I'm glad he got some money

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 10:10 | 832474 Widowmaker
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Mr. Assange should have kept his mouth shut about the bank release (the first rule of fight club) and any future releases.    

He didn't, and now has to contend with his own deteriorating credibility. On one hand he's a crusader for truth disrespecting and bullying governments of the free world; holding political-situations hostage in the name of free speech, and tabloid fame/payout on the other.

A sharp poker player knows that when your opponent is telling you what his cards are, it isn't just the hand being played, it's all future hands too -- usually it's weakness /second guessing of strategy or utter lack of control under pressure. Either way, Assange is the wrong person to be in the position he's crafted for himself, and the risks he takes (doesn't take).

Stick to the facts and the processes of responsible journalism in revealing inconvenient truths, not falling for the oldest tricks in the book like the quest for fame..  Fame is only a short term strategy, and I believe Assange to have proven himself to be an amateur in pursuit of it (reading his entire hand).

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:35 | 832475 chindit13
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Here's another take, since we're in the habit of spekulatin'.....

Assange realizes there are precious few, or no real secrets, and he's cashing in before the rest of the world catches on.

It is becoming increasingly clear Assange is a One Source Wonder.  What Tom Cochrane or a-ha are to music, Assange is to secrets.  After hanging out his shingle saying he was ready to spill whatever anyone else was willing to pour, all he could get was Bradley Manning. Assange was made by Manning, SIPRNet, and the fact that the Department of Defence does not compartmentalize information.  Manning downloaded everything on the system, then gave it to Assange for vetting, and is taking what will turn out to be the only real hit in this matter.  Assange will make himself Too Big to Do Time, which Manning unfortunately cannot.  UCMJ trumps Swedish condom law.

In the beginning Assange may have assumed that others would spill, but that was based on the assumption that there is stuff to spill.  Maybe there's not.  Maybe most everything is as it seems, or close enough for government work.  Maybe Assange is now trying to bleed the last drop out of a dead dream, which was to legitimize all the things the conspiracy crowd tries to make a living off without having the actual smoking gun, while Assange has now found the gun was never loaded.

Was Assange going to tell us the banks acted fraudulently, corruptly or incompetently?  I believe that's already in the public record, from Mozilo et al to synthetic CDO's to conflicts of interest (Friedman, Rattner), to the BSC and ML deals, to making good AIG's CDS portfolio, to Bernanke and Geithner's unrelenting whoring to Wall Street, to Congress taking bribes---er---being lobbied, to Blythe Master's Bonus Stuffing, etc.

Maybe Assange realized that since none of these perps has been investigated, much less done time, nothing he could produce now on any bank would do more than get a Page Three mention in the NYT and a highlighted article (and 800+ comments on everything from gold to Jews to 911 to aliens to .45 vs 9mm to vegetable canning techniques) on Zerohedge, so better make hay while the sun shines. And what better way than to get book

By the way, I'll have Crispin Glover play him in the movie version, though it will end up being an Indie piece with limited screen release.  The Chinese won't even bother to pirate it.

Julian, your fifteen minutes are up.  Thanks for playing.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:11 | 832522's picture

Wikileaks was publishing before Manning entered the military. Wikileaks has published leaks from a number of foreign governments. Would you like to reformulate your theory based on these facts?


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Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:03 | 832609 chindit13
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And the number of people in the world who care about the deepest, darkest secrets of Bermuda and Samoa is?

Assange knows what side of the Limpa is buttered.  He made his name and gained his fame from spilling US secrets, but seems to have a limited supply chain.


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:13 | 832621's picture

Sounds like another case of "Assange didn't meet my expectations" as opposed to any concrete criticism of Assange's actions. Just because the Empire is only concerned with itself and the rest of the world be damned doesn't make Wikileaks any less valuable to objective researchers.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:45 | 832666 chindit13
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Got me wrong there, Crockett.  I don't have expectations.  Assange seems to be a slightly odd, moderately narcissistic ideologue with a driving passion seeking an outlet.  I wish him well.  Before he started he had no idea where it would lead, nor how large the volume of secrets might be.  Maybe it is less than he thought.

Whatever he might have on banks is going to get the same reception all the non-leaked reporting (ZH, Matt Taibi, etc.), or even the judicially ordered reporting (Pittman and the Fed) has gotten.  Zip.  We all know fraud, malfeasance, corruption and incompetence are there, and we know it has hurt us.  It's not even secret;  they don't even bother trying to hide it anymore.  Nothing has been done, however.  Nothing has changed.

And it's not just the Empire that is "only concerned with itself".  Wikileaks got few if any multinational headlines (outside of the control of BBC, Murdoch, CNN, etc.), and was known largely to diehard netizens alone before it got that batch download off of SIPRNet from Manning.

"Objective researchers" can meet in some quiet corner of the web, write voluminous tomes for each other, share their common rage, and have as much impact on the world continuing to turn as a loud fart.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:47 | 832748's picture

Wikileaks got few if any multinational headlines (outside of the control of BBC, Murdoch, CNN, etc.)


The Guardian has had excellent coverage of the Wikileaks story. Here's a widget for checking out many of the cables:

To see all cables:

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:45 | 832745 Aristarchan
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Well...I care deeply for the darkest secrets of Samoa....although, I am not exactly sure why.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:49 | 832752's picture

Margaret Meade fetish?

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:14 | 832783 Aristarchan
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THATS IT! thanks, Crock.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:07 | 832845 chindit13
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You ever read her material on Mangaia?  You'd think she worked for the Tourist Board.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:49 | 832755 Aristarchan
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Hang on a minute know common sense is out of place here....:)

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 20:58 | 832507 SwingForce
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Yeah, real funny, but how many of your Windows computers have shut down in the past week? SKYPE for Windows was turned off. The entire world has now been reprogged with help of Bill Gates, get ready to pull the plug! As soon as JA tells us what the bank did! Its not the bank, its The Benbernank! Who ELSE could pull the plug, Obama? What a joke, ha ha ha ha.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:07 | 832616 Arkadaba
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Skype was down for a part of day - annoying as hell - but no conspiracy.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:18 | 832627 Arkadaba
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and seems like network issues.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:06 | 832775 Arkadaba
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And Skype has nothing to do with MS (Mr. Gates) - sorry ....

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 06:17 | 832972 jahbless
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permit me to throw you a bone - skype, the home of free telephony, was down over the "holiday period".


No free calls home to the relatives to wish them well for six hours.  Pay for that shit, holmes.


No conspiracy here, just standard corporatist protocols.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:22 | 832790 Aristarchan
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I guess this goes deeper and farther back than anyone Windows-based machines have been shutting down since 1985.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:10 | 832524 caconhma
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Modern art was CIA 'weapon'
Revealed: how the spy agency used unwitting artists such as Pollock and de Kooning in a cultural Cold War

By Frances Stonor Saunders
Sunday, 22 October 1995

For decades in art circles it was either a rumour or a joke, but now it is confirmed as a fact. The Central Intelligence Agency used American modern art - including the works of such artists as Jackson Pollock, Robert Motherwell, Willem de Kooning and Mark Rothko - as a weapon in the Cold War. In the manner of a Renaissance prince - except that it acted secretly - the CIA fostered and promoted American Abstract Expressionist painting around the world for more than 20 years.

The connection is improbable. This was a period, in the 1950s and 1960s, when the great majority of Americans disliked or even despised modern art - President Truman summed up the popular view when he said: "If that's art, then I'm a Hottentot." As for the artists themselves, many were ex- communists barely acceptable in the America of the McCarthyite era, and certainly not the sort of people normally likely to receive US government backing.

Why did the CIA support them? Because in the propaganda war with the Soviet Union, this new artistic movement could be held up as proof of the creativity, the intellectual freedom, and the cultural power of the US. Russian art, strapped into the communist ideological straitjacket, could not compete.

The existence of this policy, rumoured and disputed for many years, has now been confirmed for the first time by former CIA officials. Unknown to the artists, the new American art was secretly promoted under a policy known as the "long leash" - arrangements similar in some ways to the indirect CIA backing of the journal Encounter, edited by Stephen Spender.

The decision to include culture and art in the US Cold War arsenal was taken as soon as the CIA was founded in 1947. Dismayed at the appeal communism still had for many intellectuals and artists in the West, the new agency set up a division, the Propaganda Assets Inventory, which at its peak could influence more than 800 newspapers, magazines and public information organisations. They joked that it was like a Wurlitzer jukebox: when the CIA pushed a button it could hear whatever tune it wanted playing across the world.

The next key step came in 1950, when the International Organisations Division (IOD) was set up under Tom Braden. It was this office which subsidised the animated version of George Orwell's Animal Farm, which sponsored American jazz artists, opera recitals, the Boston Symphony Orchestra's international touring programme. Its agents were placed in the film industry, in publishing houses, even as travel writers for the celebrated Fodor guides. And, we now know, it promoted America's anarchic avant-garde movement, Abstract Expressionism.

Initially, more open attempts were made to support the new American art. In 1947 the State Department organised and paid for a touring international exhibition entitled "Advancing American Art", with the aim of rebutting Soviet suggestions that America was a cultural desert. But the show caused outrage at home, prompting Truman to make his Hottentot remark and one bitter congressman to declare: "I am just a dumb American who pays taxes for this kind of trash." The tour had to be cancelled.

The US government now faced a dilemma. This philistinism, combined with Joseph McCarthy's hysterical denunciations of all that was avant-garde or unorthodox, was deeply embarrassing. It discredited the idea that America was a sophisticated, culturally rich democracy. It also prevented the US government from consolidating the shift in cultural supremacy from Paris to New York since the 1930s. To resolve this dilemma, the CIA was brought in.

The connection is not quite as odd as it might appear. At this time the new agency, staffed mainly by Yale and Harvard graduates, many of whom collected art and wrote novels in their spare time, was a haven of liberalism when compared with a political world dominated by McCarthy or with J Edgar Hoover's FBI. If any official institution was in a position to celebrate the collection of Leninists, Trotskyites and heavy drinkers that made up the New York School, it was the CIA.

Until now there has been no first-hand evidence to prove that this connection was made, but for the first time a former case officer, Donald Jameson, has broken the silence. Yes, he says, the agency saw Abstract Expressionism as an opportunity, and yes, it ran with it.

"Regarding Abstract Expressionism, I'd love to be able to say that the CIA invented it just to see what happens in New York and downtown SoHo tomorrow!" he joked. "But I think that what we did really was to recognise the difference. It was recognised that Abstract Expression- ism was the kind of art that made Socialist Realism look even more stylised and more rigid and confined than it was. And that relationship was exploited in some of the exhibitions.

"In a way our understanding was helped because Moscow in those days was very vicious in its denunciation of any kind of non-conformity to its own very rigid patterns. And so one could quite adequately and accurately reason that anything they criticised that much and that heavy-handedly was worth support one way or another."

To pursue its underground interest in America's lefty avant-garde, the CIA had to be sure its patronage could not be discovered. "Matters of this sort could only have been done at two or three removes," Mr Jameson explained, "so that there wouldn't be any question of having to clear Jackson Pollock, for example, or do anything that would involve these people in the organisation. And it couldn't have been any closer, because most of them were people who had very little respect for the government, in particular, and certainly none for the CIA. If you had to use people who considered themselves one way or another to be closer to Moscow than to Washington, well, so much the better perhaps."

This was the "long leash". The centrepiece of the CIA campaign became the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a vast jamboree of intellectuals, writers, historians, poets, and artists which was set up with CIA funds in 1950 and run by a CIA agent. It was the beachhead from which culture could be defended against the attacks of Moscow and its "fellow travellers" in the West. At its height, it had offices in 35 countries and published more than two dozen magazines, including Encounter.

The Congress for Cultural Freedom also gave the CIA the ideal front to promote its covert interest in Abstract Expressionism. It would be the official sponsor of touring exhibitions; its magazines would provide useful platforms for critics favourable to the new American painting; and no one, the artists included, would be any the wiser.

This organisation put together several exhibitions of Abstract Expressionism during the 1950s. One of the most significant, "The New American Painting", visited every big European city in 1958-59. Other influential shows included "Modern Art in the United States" (1955) and "Masterpieces of the Twentieth Century" (1952).

Because Abstract Expressionism was expensive to move around and exhibit, millionaires and museums were called into play. Preeminent among these was Nelson Rockefeller, whose mother had co-founded the Museum of Modern Art in New York. As president of what he called "Mummy's museum", Rockefeller was one of the biggest backers of Abstract Expressionism (which he called "free enterprise painting"). His museum was contracted to the Congress for Cultural Freedom to organise and curate most of its important art shows.

The museum was also linked to the CIA by several other bridges. William Paley, the president of CBS broadcasting and a founding father of the CIA, sat on the members' board of the museum's International Programme. John Hay Whitney, who had served in the agency's wartime predecessor, the OSS, was its chairman. And Tom Braden, first chief of the CIA's International Organisations Division, was executive secretary of the museum in 1949.

Now in his eighties, Mr Braden lives in Woodbridge, Virginia, in a house packed with Abstract Expressionist works and guarded by enormous Alsatians. He explained the purpose of the IOD.

"We wanted to unite all the people who were writers, who were musicians, who were artists, to demonstrate that the West and the United States was devoted to freedom of expression and to intellectual achievement, without any rigid barriers as to what you must write, and what you must say, and what you must do, and what you must paint, which was what was going on in the Soviet Union. I think it was the most important division that the agency had, and I think that it played an enormous role in the Cold War."

He confirmed that his division had acted secretly because of the public hostility to the avant-garde: "It was very difficult to get Congress to go along with some of the things we wanted to do - send art abroad, send symphonies abroad, publish magazines abroad. That's one of the reasons it had to be done covertly. It had to be a secret. In order to encourage openness we had to be secret."

If this meant playing pope to this century's Michelangelos, well, all the better: "It takes a pope or somebody with a lot of money to recognise art and to support it," Mr Braden said. "And after many centuries people say, 'Oh look! the Sistine Chapel, the most beautiful creation on Earth!' It's a problem that civilisation has faced ever since the first artist and the first millionaire or pope who supported him. And yet if it hadn't been for the multi-millionaires or the popes, we wouldn't have had the art."

Would Abstract Expressionism have been the dominant art movement of the post-war years without this patronage? The answer is probably yes. Equally, it would be wrong to suggest that when you look at an Abstract Expressionist painting you are being duped by the CIA.

But look where this art ended up: in the marble halls of banks, in airports, in city halls, boardrooms and great galleries. For the Cold Warriors who promoted them, these paintings were a logo, a signature for their culture and system which they wanted to display everywhere that counted. They succeeded.

* The full story of the CIA and modern art is told in 'Hidden Hands' on Channel 4 next Sunday at 8pm. The first programme in the series is screened tonight. Frances Stonor Saunders is writing a book on the cultural Cold War.

Covert Operation

In 1958 the touring exhibition "The New American Painting", including works by Pollock, de Kooning, Motherwell and others, was on show in Paris. The Tate Gallery was keen to have it next, but could not afford to bring it over. Late in the day, an American millionaire and art lover, Julius Fleischmann, stepped in with the cash and the show was brought to London.

The money that Fleischmann provided, however, was not his but the CIA's. It came through a body called the Farfield Foundation, of which Fleischmann was president, but far from being a millionaire's charitable arm, the foundation was a secret conduit for CIA funds.

So, unknown to the Tate, the public or the artists, the exhibition was transferred to London at American taxpayers' expense to serve subtle Cold War propaganda purposes. A former CIA man, Tom Braden, described how such conduits as the Farfield Foundation were set up. "We would go to somebody in New York who was a well-known rich person and we would say, 'We want to set up a foundation.' We would tell him what we were trying to do and pledge him to secrecy, and he would say, 'Of course I'll do it,' and then you would publish a letterhead and his name would be on it and there would be a foundation. It was really a pretty simple device."

Julius Fleischmann was well placed for such a role. He sat on the board of the International Programme of the Museum of Modern Art in New York - as did several powerful figures close to the CIA.



When one starts a war, it is impossible to predict the consequences.

CIA "cultural war" has succeeded beyond its imagination. The CIA cultural war not only contributed to the Soviet Union demise but it also utterly poisoned the entire fabric of American and the entire West societies. It perverted the West cultural and moral foundation. The West degradation led to intellectually bankrupt welfare societies whose citizens expected a lot for nothing.

The central banking elite were able to corrupt its citizens with easy money and promises of endless entitlements. It took over governments and almost all elected officials. The West intellectual elite became incapable of protecting masses from charlatans, thieves, and other criminals and their propaganda.

The Western societies decay started slow but now it is gaining the speed.  Very soon, this runaway train will become unstoppable ending in a catastrophic crash that will destroy the entire Western Central Banking societies and its Power Elite.


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:28 | 832553 Oh regional Indian
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Thanks for that excellent reading. I know that the CIA controlled popular music (completely, globally) and Feminism, two other major "fromative" forces for the world we currently inhabit.


As for Mr. Assange, I said it before, so I'll say it again...

Of leaking wiki's and true lies...



Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:22 | 832634 chindit13
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And Pakistan’s ISI controls Bollywood through their Number One Agent, Shah Rukh Khan, all with the aim of keeping a billion Indians in a stupor obsessed with the private lives of Kareena and Katrina, Saif Ali and Salman, Ashwariya and Amitabh. In the meantime, Lashkar-e-Taiba operatives slither their way toward Mumbai and Ahmedabad.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:36 | 832653 TheSettler
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The truth will set you FREE..


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:42 | 832739 Aristarchan
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Sounds great...but I would rather be obsessed with Sonia Dara. HO HO HO!

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 23:43 | 832741 Oh regional Indian
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Chindit, cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not, but you are pretty close to the truth.


Jai ho!


Tue, 12/28/2010 - 00:39 | 832804 DavidPierre
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Project Mockingbird

CIA using public funds to lie to citizens.

John Swinton, the former Chief of Staff for the New York Times, was one of New York's best loved newspapermen. Called by his peers "The Dean of his Profession", John was asked in 1953 to give a toast before the New York Press Club, and in so doing, made a monumentally important and revealing statement. He is quoted as follows:

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar weekly salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."  

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:05 | 833491 Oh regional Indian
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Ahhah DP, great minds...

Take a quick peek if you will, from my blog from September 21st..


Please share your off-beat reading links as you feel called.


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:34 | 832555 Oh regional Indian
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Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:35 | 832567 Oh regional Indian
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Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:48 | 832591 JW n FL
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The Evangelical freaks flagged you junk?


Thanks for the reading... Great Job! Fuck the idiots, pay them no mind, for they matter not.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 22:35 | 832652 TheSettler
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What a Fucking Hack...

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:16 | 832859 Aristarchan
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Well, at least somebody found a use for that modern art, it sure as hell wasn't much use as art.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 01:33 | 832881 samsara
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"The CIA cultural war not only contributed to the Soviet Union demise but it also utterly poisoned the entire fabric of American and the entire West societies."

As a small example, of the above and to get the 'other half' paying income tax to who?  The Fed.

Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society

google   'gloria steinem CIA'


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:18 | 832535 no cnbc cretin
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Lots of dumb asses on ZH, when it comes to Assange, Peak Oil, etc.

I'll let George Carlin say it for me:

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 21:22 | 832539 revolutionnot
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His 15 minutes is not over.  I think it may be more like 30 minutes when he exposes fraud at BoA in the next big leak.

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