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$268 Million BWIC On Deck, Another Credit Fund Casualty

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Tue, 08/25/2009 - 13:08 | 47602 pivot
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how do you blow up now? you made it through the tough part already.

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 13:14 | 47612 Anonymous
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that's not entirely accurate... wait for the second wave

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 14:37 | 47723 pivot
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agreed, but its weird to do a bwic into a strong mkt.  they can't / haven't been able to sell any of this stuff and now are flushing the whole thing?  its weird

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 13:14 | 47610 amarshall
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For other idiots like me...


Tue, 08/25/2009 - 13:19 | 47620 Anonymous
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thanks. I guess I qualify

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 14:20 | 47691 I need more cowbell
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Dude, ZH has me flying all over the internet trying to keep up. This is the best thing here, no dumbing down- I have been forced to learn more here than in 4 years of university.

Good tunes too.

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 13:18 | 47617 wes9876
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$5.5mil of Fountainebleu LV

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 13:26 | 47631 Anonymous
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CalPERS just walked away from a CRE office building in Portland. Bought it in 2007. CalPERS is hurting, but far from broke. If they're just giving stuff to the bank, than anyone will.

Institutions are going to start dropping junk and get their balance sheets back to reality, even if the banks refuse to.

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 14:43 | 47729 Gilgamesh
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And yet CalP is buying into CRE again; trying to double-down on a 6, I guess.

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 13:28 | 47633 gmak
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Possibly a forced liquidation from a significant client of the fund. i.e. "Give us our money back, or else".


Maybe management wants out..... [lol]

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 13:45 | 47658 Anonymous
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thanks that is great info 0 hedge still way ahead of everyone....

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 14:18 | 47684 Anonymous
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How do we know for sure that the manageris a single fund blowing up? couldn't it be a bulge bracket asset mgr doing some housekeeping?

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 14:31 | 47713 Anonymous
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i guess that's what happens with portfolio marginging....and for the individual investor, that's not Reg T (1x1) leverage, institutional leverging is 1x5/6...my guess is those securities are "leverage" worthy...maybe not a full 1 but at least a .5

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 15:00 | 47747 Anonymous
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with 8-12x leverage the equity is still a zero so this wouldn't be a client asking for money back, the money is already gone for the equity investor. It could be that a lender has been allowing them to operate out of compliance hoping the market would come back a bit, now that it has they are getting out with a minor loss before the loan market crashes again.

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 15:09 | 47762 Anonymous
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non-event. so much cash chasing secured loans right now that this BWIC will get absored no problem.

Wed, 08/26/2009 - 03:07 | 48517 i.knoknot
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Absorbing this BWIC? sure, but that's not the point. The forerunners of a tsunami are only a foot high, but have a lot of momentum.

Tue, 08/25/2009 - 16:22 | 47920 Anonymous
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More likely than a fund blowing up, this is a fund taking advantage of strength in the loan market and selling at an opportune time. If this thing were highly levered and bought before the beginning of this year, it would already be gone.

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