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27th Consecutive Week Of Domestic Fund Outflows

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Though we may sound like a broken record, just one more week, and we promise that the hot potato chasers will return to the broken market. After all who else will the Primary Dealers and HFTs offload their billions in AMZN, EBAY and AAPL shares to? And now back to your regularly scheduled propaganda.

This is the 27th consecutive week of domestic fund outflows, commencing with the May flash crash, and resulting in $85 billion in retail outflow YTD. It appears that neither circuit breakers, nor the Bernanke put have made any impression on investors, who continue to prove that the general American public (with a little guidance) is smarter than what the government, the Chairman, and the CNBC production crew give it credit for.

 

 

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Wed, 11/10/2010 - 19:59 | 718200 VK
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Outflows Bitchez! Only the bots and Harry are buying.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 21:00 | 718328 duo
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POMO money flowing in faster than retail money getting out.  What can go wrong?

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:02 | 718205 doomandbloom
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its all your fault Tyler....now i cant even go back into the Matrix..

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:03 | 718211 NotApplicable
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No more steak for you!

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:26 | 718256 tmosley
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TastyWheat is delicious.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 23:01 | 718594 MarketTruth
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But how do they know what chicken tastes like? i mean, what if they got the taste wrong?

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:05 | 718213 bullandbearwise
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Nothing to see here. All flowing back into ETFs and managed accounts.

THIS IS NOT NEWS.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:05 | 718214 Robslob
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The red pill has destroyed my IRA...FREEDOM!

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:09 | 718222 RobotTrader
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What it boils down to is this:

Virtually every money manager has become a chart monkey.

With whatever little money they have left, they are Heatmapping the leading stocks only and cutting all losers ASAP.

Not only that, "portfolio diversification" has gone out the window.

Instead of baby sitting 100 stocks in 12 different sectors, managers have now chosen to pile 100% of their funds into just 5 stocks.

Or maybe pile the entire fund into one sector ETF, where they can daytrade it and cut losses any time it drops more than 3%.

As there is less money available to invest, the last men standing are forced to take ever increasing concentrated positions on a few stocks based on chart movements alone.

Basically, all fundamentals, research, valuation analysis, etc. has been thrown out of the window.

The fate of the market now rests in just a few stocks:

FFIV

CMG

AAPL

NFLX

PCLN

Everyone is now staring bug-eyed, focused on just two items on the screen, watching which way they move.....

LOL....

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:19 | 718235 Clapham Junction
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Wonderful.  Desktop background.....

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 21:52 | 718462 LongSoupLine
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The choice screensaver of the SEC.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 22:16 | 718514 Bill DeBurgh
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Hardly. I sincerely doubt the existance of a sausage on that specimen. SEC is pure tranny.

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 11:48 | 719411 shushup
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PIGS

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 11:48 | 719413 shushup
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Thu, 11/11/2010 - 11:48 | 719415 shushup
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PIGS

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 11:49 | 719418 shushup
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PIGS

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 11:49 | 719419 shushup
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PIGS

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 11:49 | 719420 shushup
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PIGS

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 11:50 | 719422 shushup
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PIGS

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 11:50 | 719424 shushup
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PIGS

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 00:50 | 721315 Minion
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BITCHEZ

 

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 20:01 | 723719 JohnG
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About 10 minutes ago I shot around 15 bucks worth of scotch through my nose when I read this.

Recovered some, eyes still watering.

 

Thanks for the laugh!!

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:24 | 718253 Misean
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Pretty much.  Of course, as the B.S.Bernutty continues to hose his driver with champaign before the race starts, assuming this means victory, the concentration will...well...concentrate.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:25 | 718254 Bill Lumbergh
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Robo for once I am actually in some agreement with you.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:27 | 718257 High Plains Drifter
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Nice rack.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:29 | 718260 tmosley
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Finally got that Johnny Jizz out of your eyes, and made a lucid post.  Kudos.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:49 | 718300 ihedgemyhedges
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If they're silicone, does that mean they move with XLK?

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 21:10 | 718356 nmewn
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Possibly...but they will glow in the dark ;-)

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 21:09 | 718352 nmewn
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Well...if we have to focus on only two things......

Spot on Robo...(no pun intended)...LOL.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 21:09 | 718354 homersimpson
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Comments (and pics like these) remind me why I liked you in the beginning.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 21:32 | 718416 BaronG
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Wow, yes please.

What's scary is that my CEO refuses to even read about/acknowledge how broken the market is and only focuses on the ridiculous headlines and earnings expectations. We're a long only equity/fixed income shop, so I don't blame him. He'd have no income if we didn't constantly push stocks regardless of what's going on. Shit I need to look for a new company!

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 23:33 | 718665 JohnG
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Thank you for coming back to us Robo.

Much appreciated.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:43 | 718290 pitz
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Cheaper stock for the rest of us!

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 20:49 | 718299 prophet
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Managed Accounts

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 21:11 | 718361 Cheesy Bastard
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Nice snugglepups.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 21:47 | 718453 ExploitTheMarket
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But...but...but...Barrons said funds were attracting $850 Billion this year....

http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2010/11/10/report-funds-headed-to-...

"Report: Funds Headed To $850 Billion 2010 Inflows

By Murray Coleman

Mutual funds, exchange-traded funds and funds in annuities around the world are on-pace to attract $850 billion in net inflows this year, according to industry research consultant Strategic Insight.

The report said that more than half will wind up coming from international funds. That would follow trends reported elsewhere, including by EPFR Global and, for the U.S., the Investment Company Institute.

But the latest flow estimates by Strategic Insight project that this year’s totals are likely to fall just short of the $890 billion that went into stock and bond funds worldwide in 2009.

Still, net inflows this year should top those in 2006 and 2007, the forecast added."

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 22:28 | 718534 innsbrooklad
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A good pal just had to unload his IRA and pay the penalty. People are selling because they have to. While 1929 was awful the victims still had some money in their pockets and family jewels to sell. The trauma happened in 1930-33..

I was there in 1987 and 2000 when the wise guys had to find buyers and there were none.The market is a mile wide an an inch thick. The 1000 point drop day was real as there were NO buyers..anywhere..

 

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Thu, 11/11/2010 - 07:35 | 718967 sbenard
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This was my gut instinct too. I suspect that Americans are being forced to liquidate in order to survive. This is likely to accelerate as more people lose their unemployment benefits.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 23:02 | 718597 Sam Clemons
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Looks like the destruction of the market will begin as some retail traders start to hop back in. 

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 23:33 | 718663 prophet
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ICI data segmentation masks any flow into domestic nontraditional funds and that may be quite large.

Goldman white paper from September would make for a good read.

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 01:19 | 718782 FischerBlack
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The money is not going to managed accounts. I don't have the hard stats, but in my experience, most retail managed accounts are in funds anyway.

Retail MF wholesalers are all telling the same story. Money is flowing into limited-term FI, floating rate, emerging markets, and asset allocation funds. Retail brokers know just as little as their clients and they're throwing it into funds like Ivy Asset Strategy and Blackrock Global Allocation so they don't have to be on the hook for allocation advice. This is the path of least resistance, and so will continue.

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 01:40 | 718806 ebworthen
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Consider also that the outflows my be cash-outs to pay the mortgage and medical bills AND get it liquid even with the penalties in case the gub'ment decides to confiscate that IRA or 401K or put a high tax rate or death tax on it.

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 01:39 | 718808 trav7777
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there is also the baby boomer retirement wave, which started roughly 2007ish

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 01:46 | 718809 dehdhed
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these are mutual funds we're talking about right?  why would anyone want to be stuck in an investment vehicle where the only exit is at market close?  with all the huge up days too, why would someone then want to take a leap of faith and buy on the close after a 200 point rally?

This is the 27th consecutive week of domestic fund outflows, commencing with the May flash crash

that statement used to read domestic mutual equity fund outflows ... like the chart title is.  but i guess that doesn't make the same point.   that money ain't ever coming back into mutual funds.  but it doesn't mean it just sits around doing nothing ... cash goes right where it's suppose to go and mutual funds aren't it.   what's so hard to figure out about that?  mutual funds are dead dead dead.

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 01:45 | 718812 StychoKiller
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How far does the pool have to drain before we start to see all the naked cheeks?

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 04:21 | 718900 Hook Line and S...
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And I thought I would have to keep praying for Robo. RT has indeed shaved his/her head and eaten locust with honey.

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 08:16 | 718991 prophet
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A few points.

Alternative (hedged, asset alloc., etc.) muts are growing at a rapid clip.  To some degree they invest in domestic stocks and this flow offsets the domestic flow noted in the ICI data. 

Yes, the traditional, long only domestic fund is a tired product category with far too much invested.  Added to that is the trend to more proper (in-line to market sizes, including "alternatives" and better attention to sub-classes, etc.) allocations across asset classes.  That to me is the real story:  Fuddy duddy long only domestic stock funds are losing favor.

(that does not mean that retail flows into SPX stocks is lower (or higher) than it has been - that takes a whole lot more data and analysis to determine)

Good headlines, occasional analysis, but this story line is not one of deep dive journalism.

After recent scandals, transparency and yes liquididty are mut selling points.  While noted previously and above they have arcane buy/sell and tax mechanics but they provide much better liquididty than the traditional hedge fund where you must sell weeks (redemption requests) before you know the price and may not be able to enter your order for months or years(lock ups), and you pay 2/20 or so. 

Very few managed accounts are in muts -   Managed accounts meaning "separately managed accounts - "SMAs") or the newer unified managed account - "UMA".

See the 2011 ZH Investment World Factbook for more detail.

 

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 09:12 | 719028 Grand Supercycle
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EURO daily chart bearish warnings continue.

US Dollar daily chart bullish warnings continue.

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