$29 Billion 7 Year Auction Comes At Record Low Yield And Record High Bid To Cover

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Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:18 | 612915 Silverhog
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Template this headline. Just change the numbers.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:22 | 613064 Nihilarian
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Speaking of which, does the bid to cover even matter? ie, does it even demonstrate the true nature of demand for these securities? Sure, there's a bunch of desperate people seeking fixed income in LDI strategies, avoiding equities, seeking anything above 0% return, or blindly rolling debt. But let's not forget that free money will always find its way toward these auctions. And the more of it, the higher the bid to cover will be. I say that, at this point in the fiat charade, a higher bid to cover is a sign of a massive ponzi.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 00:47 | 614645 StychoKiller
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I wouldn't call it a Ponzi scheme, more like trying to find an umbrella in a hurricane.  Like a Ponzi, collapse is certain.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:18 | 612916 Shameful
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Another day, another demonstration of the apparently infinite demand for US debt.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:24 | 612926 Spalding_Smailes
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Oh , soooooo so much credit/debt has been created over the last 30 years. They need dollars to pay off said debt/credit obligations...

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:28 | 612934 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The farce continues.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:30 | 612942 Shameful
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Perpetual Ponzi Machine?

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:32 | 612951 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Good band name.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:45 | 612991 Spalding_Smailes
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Rage Against Perpetual Ponzi Machine? Bulls on the run ...


Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:42 | 613127 DaveyJones
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they don't need dollars, they need paper and ink. Oh, wait...  

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:47 | 612982 Ned Zeppelin
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Think of it more as a very large pool of USDs out there which are hanging around and available, with nothing else to do, but to be parked at those low rates. Think of USDs as the "free floating" units of liquidity, and Treasuries as vehicles to "soak" up free USDs and park them offline for a while, in exchange for a small additional pile of USDs,  which in turn eventually get soaked up, with the supply of USDs growing constantly.  You need USDs to buy Treasuries. Treasuries only turn back into USDs.  Back and forth, back and forth. . .

USDs and Treasuries: Perfect Together. 

Can't believe that rate.


Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:09 | 613051 SheepDog-One
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7 year bond pays 1.9%, 2 year CD pays 2.4%, why would anyone but a lunatic buy a 7 yr bond?

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:56 | 613189 keepmydollar
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Because they are waiting for the yield to drop to 1.8% in a week so they can take a capital gain on it.  It's not the rate that people are buying it is the fact that the Fed has backstopped the bonds.

I agree this is stupid, but short treasuries at your own peril.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:20 | 612919 davidsmith
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Your cri de coeur (the cri de coeur of a petit bourgeois, by the way) would matter if your subject had any relation to economics.


It has no relation to economics.  It is all politics.  What politics?

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:21 | 612921 drbill
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There is no treasury bubble! Just ask any Keynesian economist. The record low yields are a sign of how much confidence the market has in the long term sustainabilty of the Fed's economic policies. *Sarcasm off*


Spread the message: Central banking is the true "barbarous relic".

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:29 | 612927 truont
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"vacuum tubes are buying rental DVDs at a quadruple digit PE multiple"

Hey!  Don't diss Netflix.  The Internets are back! 

I've been waiting for this blessed day ever since 1999, when some dumb@$$ analysts started looking at archaic things like "earnings".

Net-rentals are the new paradigm!  Down with stodgy brick-and-mortar!

Throw out that old PE ratio and use a new PE ratio: Price/Eyeballs!

Then you will see the potential that Netflix really has!

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:32 | 612946 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Nflx scares the crap out of me!  It is by far the greatest idea ever imagined for our complacent consumer economy.  Watch as this economy folds, the price should go up by a magnitude of maybe 5 from here.  No joke.  What else will everyone be doing around Xmas other than watching cheap flix?  And for anyone out there that underestamates the power of entertainment, just come towards the light, and pay no attention to the net.  Weaving spiders, what have you.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:34 | 612947 Spalding_Smailes
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The anti netflix ... Free. Get the latest movies as they hit the big screen, in HD.Download to your ps3 ect ...


Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:30 | 612941 Riesgoso
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Guys check out these charts I made...


Fundamentally I think bonds should go down...the deficits the us is running don't warrant these low rates..


However, the bond-stock relationship shows that stocks are overvalued.


If the FED doesn't QE again I think we will see powerful downturn on asset markets.  It would be better than out of control inflation.


The problem that I see is that the FED will implement new QE and stocks, gold, commodities, will keep on rallying.


Check the charts:


S&P- 10 Year Treasury Oscillator:http://tiny.cc/t7af1 S&P vs 10 year: http://tiny.cc/clx9a

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:30 | 612943 themosmitsos
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Pancake gonna keep getting flatter. Aunt Jemima yum-yum

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:21 | 613076 tmosley
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At what point do they turn into crepes?

Maybe we can stop this madness then.  Wouldn't want to look European, after all.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:33 | 612950 cnbcsucks
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So, I guess since everyone feels so giddy and confident about equities, they're falling all over themselves to get into treasuries and gold...? 


Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:33 | 612955 WaltzTangoFoxtrot
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"Auction Comes At Record Low Yield And Record High Bid To Cover" Again!




Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:39 | 612972 Shameful
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It's the perfect storm.  You have Zimbabwe Ben at the helm of the Printer Armada, a worldwide currency war, and mangers trying to squeeze out any "safe" yield.  It will go bad and cause a world of pain and suffering, but lord only knows how long the ball is kept in the air.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:04 | 613038 espirit
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+1 @ Zimbabwe Ben

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:37 | 613117 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You mean how long the ball is said to be in the air.  It is not; grounded it is.  No majik conjuring, no alchemic trix, just lies.  Blatant lies.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:38 | 612966 TheGreatPonzi
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Bonds are currently a good investment, because the FED will never let the USA go bankrupt without blowing up the dollar completely - which is not going to happen today, but rather in a year.

But my personal honour and integrity forbids me to buy any penny coming from the gov.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:10 | 613056 merehuman
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I shut my business, could have generated some business had i chosen it.

Ethics and integrety i will not sell by doing business with crooks and as long as i use and earn the "dollar" I am dealing with crooks. I would rather starve and keep my self respect.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:39 | 612970 Panafrican Funk...
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Yields are gonna keep dropping quite a bit farther than this.  I have the 30 year moving to 2.75% pretty shortly here, the 10 at 1.5%.  I anticipate this happening before the end of October.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:42 | 612980 Shameful
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If they keep moving down I want the treasury to roll out a 100 year bond.  I would die laughing if they could move that lead balloon at less then a 4% yield.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:40 | 612971 goldmiddelfinger
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I'll sit up when the auction does not have a record low yield or BTC

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:41 | 612976 b_thunder
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PDs loading up on treasurys, only to dump them to the Fed in 2 months time???


Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:41 | 612978 Cognitive Dissonance
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Obviously, this divergence is unsustainable, and the longer it persists, the greater the pain all around when it finally collapses.

To the supporters and promoters of the Ponzi there is no tomorrow. Thus they will do everything and anything they can to make sure tomorrow never comes. Or die trying. What do they have to lose?

That's not a rhetorical question. If letting the Ponzi "fail" means total systemic failure (at least in their eyes, which may simply mean loss of their power) how bad can the continuation of the Ponzi be?

At this point and in their minds it has become the lessor of the two evils.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:46 | 612997 Turd Ferguson
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"To the supporters and promoters of the Ponzi there is no tomorrow. Thus they will do everything and anything they can to make sure tomorrow never comes. Or die trying. What do they have to lose?"

This is 100% correct. My friend, CD, succinctly summarizes. Nice work.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 13:51 | 613007 Ned Zeppelin
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They're leasing the 2 evils? What's the rate per square foot and which evils, precisely? I hear gluttony is leased out for like 99 years.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:00 | 613032 Cognitive Dissonance
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$1,313 per square foot.

And I suppose you've never made a spelling error. :>)

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:21 | 613075 RockyRacoon
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"To err is human, to forgive is divine"  -- Alexander Pope

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:25 | 613090 tmosley
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No, that only gets you a couple of square inches at best.

Though you could probably hammer that much into a nice big sheet.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:51 | 613161 DaveyJones
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I thought he meant who was shorter, ben or tim. But if they're really for rent which one has the view of armageddon? 

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:12 | 613058 Shameful
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What about another take on it, what if they want to make sure that when tomorrow comes it's a horrible as possible?  That they want a system failure.  When does change come about?  It comes when there is uncertainty, chaos, and conflict.  How better to assure these things in the century of change then to manufacture them, and as a side benefit be able to loot with wild abandon? 

That in their minds they are heroes for bringing this new world about and breaking the backs of the consumer societies and bringing in an age of austerity, to save the earth and all themselves and their progeny access to the worlds resources.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:23 | 613083 RockyRacoon
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It's fairly obvious that the looting of the Treasury has some ways to go yet.

The populace still have some net worth so that needs to be stolen.

Just watch the "laws" coming out of our legislative branch for signs.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:34 | 613110 Shameful
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Actually there is not much wealth left.  I sat down and thought about it and the USA is almost unencumbered asset free.  House prices are down and many are underwater.  Gold holdings or other items of small size and high value are uncommon.  Most people have loans on cars which are too under water.  Retirement investing is largely held in piggy banks that can't be gotten to without paying fees and jumping through hoops.  With the talk about taking the 401ks and retirement assets America should be just about stripped clean of any sizable equity.  A recent poll showed 77% of Americans live pay check to paycheck, and more then 40 million on food stamps.  There is not much left to steal except those retirement accounts.  Hell they don't even need to seize them, with the control of the market and no yields on treasuries they can expropriate them at their leisure with the power of the printing press and market manipulation.

On the plus side maybe people will finally stop talking about how "rich" America is and how we can afford to do anyhting because of our vast "wealth".

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 19:59 | 614104 RockyRacoon
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The U. S. does have a book value, and I was also wondering what that might be.

With the housing stock deteriorating that is in decline.  Bad signs ahead.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:32 | 613107 Cognitive Dissonance
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You're talking about a higher level of control, something most people don't believe is possible. You know, it's that conspiracy theory thingy.

I agree with your supposition. But what is the use of talking about this level when most people can't even see the level above the most basic, that of government and day to day politics. To speak of a second and broader form of politics, where strategic alliances are created between seeming enemies which must never be acknowledged in public. Oops, it's that conspiracy theory thingy again.

Of course, there's even an additional level of control or manipulation which goes by many different names, all of them mocked and repudiated both by the keepers of the public myth as well as their idiot savants.

We are so conditioned to believe in our individual "freedom" that it would never occur to the average Joe that our so called freedom is so narrow as to constitute control rather than freedom. Just because the rat has a big cage doesn't mean s/he is free.

And now we return you back to your regular normal programming.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:47 | 613160 Shameful
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He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Why should we sugar coat it and play on the smaller level?  What does it matter if low level underlings get burned should the power system stay in place.  Indeed them getting burned almost does a disservice because the common man with start to wrongly believe in justice and that the system is fixed when all that happened was a branch was trimmed.  This is my fear for the 2012 election, that one band of looters will be removed and a more vicious bloodthirsty batch put in, and the people will go back to sleep for a while.  Look at the cycle, each congress and president is worse then the last, like clockwork.

What good does it do to try to bring a person up to a the level of "Hey your government is destroying you" and give them a false scenario, but one that perhaps they will believe?  That is in itself deceptive.  That might make the next level harder to believe because now they are in the mode of thinking to the simpler scenario that is presented.  This is used in the red vs blue, "Oh those _______ did _________ which is killing America!", they don't have the whole picture so they will be trapped endlessly moving in circles.

I understand most people won't ever get it, that's normal.  In our culture it's a negative to sit down and really think about situations.  Many here do think, because not thinking caused them pain, such as getting hammered in the market.  Pain brings thought and clarity.  As the pain increases so does the chance to reach people who have endured enough to let the scales fall from their eyes.  Even still I expect them to be the small minority, but such is the way of things.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:47 | 613329 Cognitive Dissonance
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The teacher appears when the student is ready. I have found that less than half of those who say that are ready and willing to begin the process of un-learning before they begin to learn will actually put forth the energy needed to do so. It's much more than one or two evenings of reading.

These things must be learned by self examination and discovery. Very few, very few, will learn this and then believe it simply from being told. This large an upset to their worldview shocks the self, the ID, the ego to the very core. And then some more.

I would say, again from experience working with others who say they are ready, that easily half or more of the people who are willing to go down this path and then expend the energy will still turn back at the first or second profoundly disturbing cognitive dissonance. There is no teaching until the student is ready.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:55 | 613185 DaveyJones
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it's not just a big cage, each one comes with a complimentary wheel

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:47 | 613333 Cognitive Dissonance
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There are also cages with dual wheels for the tag team partnerships called marriage.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:19 | 613071 ShankyS
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BINGO CD! The end game has come and gone. It is all about avoiding total anarchy at this point. FIMA camps at the ready. I'm guessing they saw this coming years ago and are finalizing the socialist agenda at this point.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 00:54 | 614659 StychoKiller
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Unfortunately, flywheels can only be spun so fast, then metal/material fatigue from the forces involved will tear said flywheel apart!  Wear your safety goggles.

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