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2s10s Breaking Into A Deflationary Pattern

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Another chart for idiot day traders who think that having a snapshot of a developing market is sometimes relevant. Indeed, we do forget that every data point is always continuously priced in, and need to be violently reminded of that fact: thank you Efficient Market Hypothesis.

Anyway, 2s10s has broken out of its holding pattern from the past 5 months. And to continue, since we are quoting the University of Chicago School of Business, "deflation does miracles on upward stock valuations" and "inflating untenable debt via deflation always results in comic consequences."




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Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Project Mayhem
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see attached technical diagram

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:13 | Link to Comment pivot
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the flattener trade has been biggest no brainer for last 3+ months.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Steak
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+1 esp when the agressive steepener was the way to go in the prior six months, a shifting student body isn't as hard to predict as all the white noise might suggest.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:19 | Link to Comment bonddude
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All the steepeners I've put out in the last year have been called. Yahoo. turn and burn.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:21 | Link to Comment nopat
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Damn you and your IRC-driven front page polls.

Ok....so what's the play?  We print more dollars, inflation spirals out of control, and people refuse to hold our debt.  Or the economy shrinks, wages contract, deflation rears its head and we can't afford to pay the debt back.  Which scenario is more likely, or because of all the financial engineering used to keep the engine idling at tick-over are we going to see a whipsaw effect?

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Crab Cake
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Thanks Mayhem, I just blew DrPepper through my nose...

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Assetman
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ROFL!  That's the funniest thing I've seen posted in quite awhile, Mayhem.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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Finally, a chart I can understand.  Thanks, PM. Also, I don't think that comments like this degrade the ZH experience - it's the content.  case in point.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:38 | Link to Comment economessed
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P. Mayhem:  best.  chart.  ever.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:38 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:45 | Link to Comment deadhead
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PM....absolutely your best pic to date!  that's some funny shit!

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:36 | Link to Comment DaddyWarbucks
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I don't quite get it. Could you add some charts?

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 17:30 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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nice, this explains everything.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:09 | Link to Comment mule65
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Has anyone seen the PPT?

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:21 | Link to Comment I need more cowbell
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Quarter's over, dude. Them boyz be exhausted, Monday was a piece of cake what with them Jewish fellers all gone, but shee-it after that this week's been a bitch. Catchin up on some Z's.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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Preoccupied in DC today.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:15 | Link to Comment Mos
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I know, for the time being, that demand for USTs will persist with the "flight to safety" episodes but what is the deal with Gilts?  Seems to me the sterling will(should?) collapse long before the USD.  Although in today's environment anything is possible and investors might take the never ending bid at Gilt auctions by the British government as a sign of strength.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Fruffing
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Note we're not hearing much from Tony Crescenzi at Pimco. 

 Smells like his job 1 was to talk down the long bond while Big Bill hoovered up 44 pct into the world's largest bond fund.

That's a timely verb, eh?

 

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Steak
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To put it the trade in ETF terms...Long TLT, short HYG.  In the past 3 monts thats a break-even trade but i have a feeling its about to be a break-out trade.  Then again, PIMCO did miss 2008's Treasury parade.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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Been watching TLT technicals lately for sport.  Broke out on Monday, and now trading above the 200DMA.  Serious resistance starting just under 100 and up to 105, though.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:27 | Link to Comment bonddude
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Tony was on Fast Honey yesterday and he insulted Finerman good. "that's a bit of circular logic".

Anyway, Bill is buying Government backed bonds across the board with an eye toward upcoming

Deflation, which is a contrary view that by this article is gaining traction.It will be a good while before inflation kicks in IMHO.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:35 | Link to Comment etrader
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Those Chicago School of Business grads will be turning to disciples of  Chartalism to explain how Debt dose not matter anyway in a fiat system. :-)

Minsky's will have the last laugh though with those Chicago followers!

 

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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This is what I love the most about ZH. Very smart and witty comments from a diverse (and clearly aware) reader base.

Project Mayhem, you da man. More times than I care to admit, I've been the penguin.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:45 | Link to Comment Hubbs
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And the penguins behind it representing other assets no doubt will take the plunge.

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:55 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Daedal
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Chicago School Balance Sheet Equation:

Assets = Eh, Whatever + Equity

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:58 | Link to Comment BlueStreak
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ROFL - My new signature will be "Don't be the penguin!"

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:11 | Link to Comment madmax
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Crap...This flattening yield curve is killing my FAS investment.   I put my last unemployment check in that turd. Some Dick on CNBC said the banks were a buy and I fell for it...again. 

Looks like I am going to need a bailout.  GS, can you pull some strings for me--Thank you.

P.S. I promise to redirect a portion of any bailout funds I recieve back to the congressman of your choice if that will help grease the wheels on this process ;)

 

 

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:46 | Link to Comment deadhead
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CIT has a very attractive price right now.

If you want to diversify that unemployment check, you could throw in some AIG as well.

 

 

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 13:12 | Link to Comment madmax
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Regarding AIG, been there done that--where do you think my second to last check went.

CIT sounds interesting. I hear Cramer said some positive things about it.  That's all I need to know right there.  Perhaps I will buy CIT after I make a killing on AIG.

I hope these stocks start to pay off soon cause I'm running out of cigarettes and beer. 

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:10 | Link to Comment LoneStarHog
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Pleonasm:  Idiot Day Traders -- The Paradigm Example!

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 15:33 | Link to Comment Dr Horace Manure
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I've been asking for explanations for some of the posts on this site for several months.  Us "newbies" to ZH (and we are growing by the day) can't always figure out what is being said.

My prayers have been answered.

Thanks to TD and Project Mayhem for delivering the best one-two punch I've ever seen.

 

Thu, 10/01/2009 - 17:33 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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Have to confirm if it is not an underthrow of the recent channel first, before labling this as a trend.

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