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4closureFraud Action Alert – It’s Back! H.R. 3808 Interstate Recognition of Notarization Act of 2010

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First a recap...

You all remember the bill that was going to legalize the frauds right?

H.R. 3808

Action Alert – Please tell President Obama NOT to sign the Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act

On Monday, September 27, 2010, U.S. Senator Bob Casey
(D-PA), on the Senate floor, asked that the Judiciary Committee be
discharged from further consideration of a bill that would hurt
consumers. H.R. 3808 requires federal and state courts to recognize
notarized documents from other states, including ones that contain
electronic notarizations that are not subject to … Read more

Action Alert – Is Pres Obama’s Pocket Veto on H.R. 3808 Possibly Ineffective?

Help me out here everyone ~ TOO IMPORTANT NOT TO QUESTION
~ I SAY WE CALL FOR A FULL VETO ON THIS BILL ~ I MUST ADMIT I DIDN’T
PAY ATTENTION IN THIS CLASS. Hearing some rumors and I need some type of
confirmation… Email from reader… The word is out that Pres. Obama’s
pocket … Read more

Well, it looks like it might be back and up for a vote tomorrow...

From the LEGISLATIVE DAY OF NOVEMBER 15, 2010 111TH CONGRESS – SECOND SESSION

Start from bottom up at the 2:13 mark…

2:15 P.M. -
ONE MINUTE SPEECHES – The House proceeded with one minute speeches.

H.R. 3808:
to require any Federal or State court to recognize any notarization made
by a notary public licensed by a State other than the State where the
court is located when such notarization occurs in or affects interstate
commerce

2:14 P.M. -
VETO MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT – The Chair laid before the House the
veto message from the President on H.R. 3808. The objections of the
President were spread at large upon the Journal, and the veto message
was ordered to be printed as a House Document No. 111-152. Pursuant to
the order of the House of earlier today, further consideration of the
veto message and the bill are postponed until the legislative day of
Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010
, and that on that legislative day, the House
shall proceed to the constitutional question of reconsideration and
dispose of such question without intervening motion.

2:13 P.M. -
The House received a message from the Clerk. Pursuant to the permission
granted in Clause 2(h) of Rule II of the Rules of the U.S. House of
Representatives, the Clerk transmitted H.R. 3808, the “Interstate
Recognition of Notarization Act of 2010,” and a Memorandum of
Disapproval thereon received from the White House on October 8, 2010, at
12:55 p.m.

Mr. Scott (VA) asked unanimous consent
That, when the House adjourns on Monday, November 15, 2010, it adjourn
to meet at 12:30 p.m. on Tuesday, November 16, 2010, for Morning-Hour
Debate. Agreed to without objection.

Mr. Scott (VA) asked unanimous consent
That, when a veto message on H.R. 3808 is laid before the House on the
legislative day of today, then after the message is read and the
objections of the President are spread at large upon the Journal,
further consideration of the veto message and the bill shall be
postponed until the legislative day of Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010; and
that on that legislative day, the House shall proceed to the
constitutional question of reconsideration and dispose of such question
without intervening motion
. Agreed to without objection.

Looks like it is time for another crash course on how this works…

Veto Override Procedure in the House and Senate

Summary

A bill or joint resolution that has been
vetoed by the President can become law if two-thirds of the Members
voting in the House and the Senate each agree to pass it over the
President’s objection. The chambers act sequentially on vetoed
measures; the House acts first on House-originated measures (H.R. and
H.J. Res.) and the Senate acts first on Senate-originated measures (S.
and S.J. Res.). If the first-acting chamber fails to override the veto,
the measure dies and the other chamber does not consider it. The House
typically considers the question of overriding a presidential veto
under the hour rule, with time customarily controlled and allocated by
the chair and ranking member of the committee with jurisdiction over
the bill. The Senate usually considers the question of overriding a
veto under the terms of a unanimous consent agreement.

Voting in the House

To override a veto, two-thirds of the
Members voting, a quorum being present, must agree to repass the bill
over the President’s objections. The Constitution requires that the
vote be by the “yeas and nays,” which in the modern House means that
Members’ votes will be recorded through the electronic voting system.
The vote on the veto override is final because, in contrast to votes on
most other questions in the House, a motion to reconsider the vote on
the question of overriding a veto is not in order.

Full rules can be read at the bottom of this link here...

LINK - H.R. 3808 Veto Override Procedure in the House and Senate

Well...

I JUST CONFIRMED WITH THE BILL'S SPONSOR'S STAFF IN WASHINGTON DC AND THERE WILL BE A VOTE TO OVERRIDE OR UPHOLD THE PRESIDENTS VETO WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 17, 2010.

SO GET ON THE PHONES AND CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES NOW AND TELL THEM TO UPHOLD THE PRESIDENTS VETO!

Link to Contact Your Representative...

~

4closureFraud.org

 

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Tue, 11/16/2010 - 23:17 | 733164 Newsboy
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HR 3808 = Robosigner Validation Act

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 23:05 | 733155 IrrationalMan
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tomorrow will mark the start for the interview process for the lame duck politicians, interviewing for their next job... =at the banks

Wed, 11/17/2010 - 01:19 | 733342 Fish Gone Bad
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+1

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 22:45 | 733126 Ned Zeppelin
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Vote "NO" to override the President's recent veto of H.R. 3808, the “Interstate Recognition of Notarization Act of 2010". It is not the time for this law to be passed.

This is an attempt to make it easier for the banks who have botched their paperwork in their mortgage securitizations to evade the requirements of law in connection with foreclosures - there is no other plausible reason for the "urgency" to pass this law.  

I am certainly open to other legislation to enable legal foreclosures and fixing minor errors, as long as it is coupled with prosecution for those responsible on Wall Street and elsewhere for the rampant fraud in the mortgage origination and securitization business that led to the financial crisis still hurting many Pennsylvanians. 

(sent tonight to Congressman Jim Gerlach)

 

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 22:21 | 733088 RECISION
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Is there some way of getting the names of the Bills sponsors - and then all the names of all those who vote "Aye", and getting them listed up here?

There may not be an official record kept of the vote, but there must be a way to get the names.

Name and shame...  (or add to the hit-list... either/or)

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 21:43 | 733013 weinerdog43
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Done.  Pretty sad that the banksters can jam this through. 

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 21:20 | 732972 RockyRacoon
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I just emailed my Representative to tell him (not urge) NOT to override the Presidential veto.  It was not a reasoned request -- it was a demand.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 21:02 | 732947 Kina
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No wonder they wrote into the Consitution the right to bear arms. Not for protection against the British but the Banksters.

 

 

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 20:43 | 732909 iDealMeat
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if this passes it will be the inflection point where I seriously consider:

1. ways to cheat the system.

2. missing mortgage and cc payments.

3. not voting

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 19:41 | 732775 ThroxxOfVron
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Secret & Anonymous votes are BULLSHIT.

The American Citizenry should not accept the Legality of ANY Votes to which their Representatives do not have the honesty to adhere their Names and whether or not they are FOR or AGAINST into the Congressional Record.

NOTHING Honorable can be done Anonymously by Congress in the Dark and off Record.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 19:29 | 732746 George Washington
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PLEASE VOTE THIS STORY UP AT REDDIT AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA SITES ...

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 19:23 | 732726 Fecund Stench
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Done.  Thanks

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 18:37 | 732591 greenewave
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To find out more about the Imminent Collapse of the Global Economy, watch the YouTube video "Wall Street Thieves, Bailouts Galore, Broken America" at (http://youtu.be/I93dzfs8WIc).

The United States economy is rotten at the core and has been stolen from the American people by the Wall Street Thives that drove the Titanic into the iceburg in the first place!!

32 minutes ago

KA-BOOM! Crash will be any day now! It is going to be like nothing else ever seen? here or anywhere else in history. God bless!

-Anonymous

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 18:31 | 732573 Captain Thunderbolt
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Mailed Rep and purchased 18k worth of phys silver yesterday.  Love to imagine it helping.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 18:27 | 732559 Sam Clemons
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done as well.  aarskever, very true.  the bills that get crammed through always seem to have huge benefits to someone besides the majority of the people.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 17:46 | 732383 fallst
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I still cant get over these voice votes?

I am shocked (actually other people are shocked that I'm shocked) , over these  House AND Senate 3808 voice votes!

No recorded voting! Done in secret! Like December 21 and 23, 1913..Has to be unanimous? So, 4 Repugnants can voice vote anything in at 2 am? What?

But the veto vote will afford them no secrecy this time.. 

Somebody is scaring the shit out of these guys...and now us, because of these obviously desperate acts of our elected officials.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 20:34 | 732894 cdskiller
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The voice vote is the key bit of information. What the lobbyists have told them is that if the widespread fraud the banks committed is NOT made retroactively legal by way of H.R. 3808, the major banks would collapse and every single piece of shit toxic asset lawmakers just forced taxpayers to buy will be forever worthless. Trillions. Being semi-retarded to begin with, what they didn't realize is those assets are already worthless and the insolvency is impossible to avert. This is just about who eats the losses. Investors, ie, hedge funds and pension funds and sovereign wealth funds, or the banks. The lobbyists also told them that anyone who doesn't vote for it would be blacklisted. Democrats, desperate to NOT be on the record as complicit in covering up massive fraud, made a deal with Republicans to not put the measure up for an actual vote so they could hide behind the anonymity of just saying "aye". Republicans, knowing they already have the banks in their back pockets, agreed, with the quid pro quo being that Democrats would agree to the temporary extension of the Bush tax cuts.

May they all rot in hell.

Wed, 11/17/2010 - 04:35 | 733436 Jendrzejczyk
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Hope you don't mind, I did some slight editing to your post and sent it off to my Critter so he realizes someone is paying attention. Thanks

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 17:49 | 732465 aarskever
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I have to say I find it pretty astonishing that there is political willpower to override a veto while at the same time nothing else gets done.. Amazing testament to the power of lobbies.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 19:26 | 732735 Cleanclog
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Concur, with disgust for our "leaders".  Woeful.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 17:23 | 732368 flattrader
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Also done.

You would think the keyboard commandos on ZH could at least mange an email to their Rep. rather than waste valuable keyboard strokes telling the rest of us what a wast of time it is.

Thanks for the ALERT.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 17:00 | 732253 Village Idiot
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Done.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:55 | 732224 billhilly
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Thanks for the link to the House.  I just emailed my rep.  It is easy to sit and do nothing but at least TRYING is certainly better than not.  Do I feel this'll make a difference, probably not, but you just never know.  Being able to be active is the best part of this country....now go and buy some Silver!

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:44 | 732182 StockInsanity
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<Mr./Mrs. House Representative>:

I am writing you today and asking that you vote NO on HR 3808 that was vetoed by the president before ajournment a few weeks ago.

"H.R. 3808 Interstate Recognition of Notarization Act of 2010" is legislation that the banks of the country have pushed through sleezily trying to get around the FRAUD that they have perpetuated in the handling of mortgages.They securitized these mortgages and now no longer know who owns the pieces of them and cannot foreclose upon consumers who have fallen behind. Rather than have proper documentation showing chain of title they have not kept records showing the different organizations/trusts that owned these mortgages and have been accused of "Robosigning" foreclosure documents and creating out of thin air the chain of title that they need to foreclose. This legislation is to force courts to accept these "robosigned" documents that are notorized by notaries in states outside of their juristiction.

The banks are trying to cover their fraud, nothing more, nothing less.

Please vote NO on HR 3808.
Thanks

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 18:07 | 732510 xenophobe51
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Submitted to Rep. Culberson with spelling corrections and the following edits:

I am writing you today and asking that you vote NO on HR 3808 that was vetoed by the president before adjournment a few weeks ago.

"H.R. 3808 Interstate Recognition of Notarization Act of 2010" is legislation that the banks of the country have pushed through nefariously trying to get around the FRAUD that they have perpetuated in the handling of mortgages. They securitized these mortgages and now no longer know who owns the pieces of them and cannot foreclose upon consumers who have fallen behind. Rather than have proper documentation showing chain of title they have not kept records showing the different organizations/trusts that owned these mortgages and have been accused of "Robosigning" foreclosure documents and creating out of thin air the chain of title that they need to foreclose. This legislation is to force courts to accept these "robosigned" documents that are notarized by notaries in states outside of their jurisdiction.

The banks are trying to cover their fraud, nothing more, nothing less. A 'yes' vote would make you complicit in this fraud. Don't be an accomplice.

Please vote NO on HR 3808.

Thanks

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 21:34 | 733002 illyia
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That is a very nice letter.

I think I will send one to my congress critters.

It cannot hurt.

 

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:40 | 732167 e_goldstein
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email my representative?

bah ha ha ha ha ha.  a lot of good that did with TARP.

you want a real solution? listen to this French guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uop5R7E314

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:40 | 732162 max2205
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Perfect....they can blame the outgoing losers....we are so fucked..

people 0, bankers 255364875895995

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:38 | 732156 Duuude
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FTW

 

 

 

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:38 | 732155 New Revolution
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Small wonder the Norman's wanted to kill the Saxons,... they were long too and would sell their grandmother to the arabs to escape a hard down turn.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 17:14 | 732333 Saxxon
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How much skin you have in this game?  I'd say zero.  Are you here to play or to whine? 

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 17:30 | 732394 Tortfeasor
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Please, anyone, tell me why you think this has any affect on mortgage foreclosures.  Cite to the text of the bill please.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 21:44 | 733015 rookie
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I think that by allowing electronic notarizations it makes it easier for the banks to prepare the correct (back-dated) Assignments of Mortgages and also approves the electronic, digitized Promissory Notes ( since they shredded the real ones).

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 18:46 | 732610 Winston Smith 2009
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Just as with their credit card operations, they'd move all of their notarizing activities to the state(s) with the loosest requirements and then work to loosen them even more through bribes... I mean political contributions.

Eventually, the significance of "notarizations" which would be required to be recognized as valid by all other states would approach what they already are for robo-signers - "I have signed this document without looking at it."

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:30 | 732114 Saxxon
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The e-mails of the masses mean nothing to these people.  Why not get long right around now?  This bill WILL pass because it has to. 

That and the GM pump should put us in good shape for a long trade the next 72 hours.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 20:55 | 732935 Kina
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Half of this is true.

The masses basically have a choice of two political parties, which are really one party split in two and each give a blue and red shirt and names like Republican and Democrat. But the name of the overiding party, the party before it is split into two shadows, is the Bankster Party. The bankster by their own hand have admitted that they own both sides of politics, utilise this power to push down the public to increase their wealth and power..aka the documentary

 

The Secret of Oz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71-KsDArFM&feature=player_embedded

 

If there is a way that Congress can override Obama's veto then they will, IF it is the will of the banksters.

 

 

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 20:46 | 732920 Squid-puppets a...
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So what if they do pass it? does anyone think it will prevent people taking legal action? this bill might make the banks win more often, but there are a number of legal issues to fraudclosure that are ripe to be thrashed out in court - to the point where banks are still likely to settle out of court with sizable haircuts.

And the other aspect of this is, so what if the peasants are fucked over? its not going to stop the various stakeholders in the industry cannibalising each other to see who wears the cost for the meltdown

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 20:26 | 732882 Selah
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What part of TBTF don't the peasants that junked you understand?

The Fascist Train has left the station, so ya'll might as well make some money on the ride. It sure beats the alternative (as history has demonstrated).

Benito would be so proud of the former USofA.

 

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 20:23 | 732874 Buck Johnson
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Your spot on, it will pass.  Because without it the banks are open to fraud and lawsuits and even put backs by investors, for money they don't have.  Also the GM pump is exactly that, a pump.  They need GM to go up to 60 or 70 dollars a share and maintain for awhile in order for the insiders to make money and the retailers to then be able to buy at the top when it deflates.  The funny thing is that anyone that did just a little bit of research knows that GM doesn't even deserve 20 dollars a share.  They still got the legacy issues and the pensions and the Unions to still deal with, that hasn't changed.  All that happened was that the govt. made a special bankruptcy for GM and changed Bankruptcy law in order to protect a company that should have been at best sold off in pieces to pay off senior investors and/or go belly up.

This IPO is so controlled that it won't even be allowed to go down, just watch.  Our markets are nothing more but govt. controlled ponzie schemes.

Wed, 11/17/2010 - 00:50 | 733310 jeff montanye
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oh the banks are still (wide) open to fraud lawsuits and put backs from investors (and, should the u.s. government ever prosecute anyone except whistle blowers or petit larcenists) tax suits based on abuse of the remic exemption.  the investor fraud is based on the (fraudulently described) bad mortgages knowingly put in the products sold.  the notary problems have to do, as i understand it, with clearing the tracks for processing foreclosures.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:43 | 732180 Hook Line and S...
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You're correct. 

So this is what it feels like to be a boxer who can take a round of punches, but can't even throw a measly left.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 23:59 | 733222 Problem Is
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Boxing's Latest Hype: The "No Hoper" Kid
The "Boxer" is a lanky fuck from Chicago with no resolve, no stamina, no guts, no nads and a glass jaw...

Takin' the Cash and Takin' a Dive
The "Boxer" is taking a dive in the 2nd round...

Because big money TBTF banks are giving the orders...

What Do You Expect?
The "Boxer" beat up a woman and an old man to get the title... Even then they were 12 round decisions...

Wed, 11/17/2010 - 00:43 | 733296 jeff montanye
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great metaphor.  well done.

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