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Thu, 09/23/2010 - 08:19 | 599442 Grand Supercycle
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Short signals detected yesterday have now increased.


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 08:11 | 599435 gwar5
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"Keep it Secret, Keep it Safe" -- Gandalf

Did anybody else notice the creepy things which occurred by executive order last year ? -- Just to make sure your head explodes while going down the rabbit hole, check this out:

1) by executive order, INTERPOL has been given extra-constitutional authority to search, seize, or apprehend US citizens on American soil without warrants or FOIA responses required. Personell are to work directly out of the DOJ. (under authority of the President, which has also taken authority from the CIA to do interrogations)

2) by executive order, a "Council of Governors" (COG) was formed and is to consist of at least ten members made up of 2 state governors -- chosen by the president; along with the heads of the Joint Chiefs, NSA, DHS, CIA and Sec. Defense, et al. (and members of FOREIGN military representatives to be included). The purpose was to co-ordinate any military emergency crises response on the home land -- for something. The governors, I presume, were for cover for the laws against military action on home soil in a sovereign state without being requested by a state authority. But it appears not to be about governors, but about military action and intelligence.

These were briefly mentioned in the news at the time (last Fall and Dec 2009). Google them up googlers. Question is WTF would all that be for? Things must really be circling the toilet for the Pretaorian Guards to be mobilized. 

Well, it's probably not even worth mentioning it, since I'm sure by now everybody has heard? Billions being spent in Utah to house the new NSA supercomputer complex in a granite mountain ( to keep protected, cool, dry)? It will use more electricity than the entire city of Salt Lake City, UT and is meant to cipher, and collate all computers and all digital information (in the world), in real time, and do just what the post says it will do which is to develop and make predictions of individual and group behavior. Super. duper.




Thu, 09/23/2010 - 05:43 | 599362 Tense INDIAN
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i have problem with some of the information....like this one below....

"Shortly before 9/11, the NSA also intercepted multiple phone calls to the United States from Bin Laden's chief of operations"


info like these only confuses the people.......i would term it as a message from an disinfo agent( not necessarily the author of this very article, may be he got it from somewhere else).............we know Al-qaeda had nothing to do with 9-11....may be it doesnt even exist........the WTC controlled demolition leaves no doubt about it.........so what do i make up about such intercepts.......thats nonsense.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 06:42 | 599393 Azannoth
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I agree the whole thing does not compute, the Towers where demolished(that is beyoned doubt as the rules of physics tell us) so at least half of this intel has to be dissIntel

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 06:03 | 599374 Rick64
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we know Al-qaeda had nothing to do with 9-11....

 Could it be so called terrorists were used by the intelligence agencies without knowing it, and the planes flying into the building were cover for the demolition while giving us a common enemy that the world will have to fight for many many years. Communism needed to be replaced with something.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 05:15 | 599355 amanfromMars
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Well, howdy doody George,

Thanks for that informative read, and to which I would like to share the following reality, which has specific regard to the shenanigans of the program called Sentient World Simulation and Google search type engines as fronted as businesses with CEO in guises like a Herr Schmidt.

It's subject matter is all to do with the complicated entanglement and hyperinterreaction of binary threads and ternary strings for Quantum Control of the Computer and Source Codes and ITs InterNetworking Communications Environment, and although that may deny most all knowledge of what is Current and Running HyperRadioProActive in Command and Control Fields, most will be able to glean enough knowledge to be made more aware of that which is leading them.

Put this Alien Algorithm in the Google Pipe for a JOINT Intelligence Venture Enterprise?

Posted Thursday 23rd September 2010 03:59 GMT

""We actually don't do data mining," Schmidt said."

Actually, what Herr Schmidt is not saying, is ... "We don't do data mine sharing"

Google's "problem", which is the same difficulty which all Intelligence Search Engines/Virtually SMART Machines have, is what to do with that which they know, and have gathered, and would imagine to be a possibility and probability with a linear progressive extrapolation of phished metadata ..... which is a Phorm of Intelligent Guess, is it not?

Which is how to be HyperRadioProActive in the Present with Future Information and CyberIntelAIgent MetaData Source Lodes/Virtual Core Supply Nodes.

And that Information is ....... Costly and Highly Prized and Sensitive beyond Classification given the Crazy Leverage Ratios and Wealth that IT Generates.

And if you think that is a joke, El Reg, you'll find nobody is laughing. And of course, it is not just as simple as that either, for one cannot rely on any third party analyst's progressive linear extrapolation of phished information to a future point of imagined intelligence because that would only be the analyst's future destination and not necessarily also the subject of interest's, which will have laid a sticky sweet false trail, when testing for defenses and penetrating vulnerabilities.

"Houston, we have a major fcuking NEUKlearer problem" ...... seems like an appropriate free share here, at this particular and peculiar point in time and cyberspace exploitation.


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 04:53 | 599351 Azannoth
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Well in Germany you need a passport to get a SIM card, and of course they tell you('it's for your own safety and to prevent abuse') right ;) motherfukers


Thats why I always leave me phone at home

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 04:50 | 599349 ATTILA THE WIMP

I am an American military veteran and I have signed this petition as have two former U.S. Senators. Jewish and gentile vets have signed. Religious and non-religious vets have signed. Vets of all races and ethnic backgrounds have signed. Any vet who was an E4 or higher can sign.  

Our web site is





We, the undersigned current and former Commissioned and Non-commissioned U.S. Military Officers, believe that whereas:

  • There is incontrovertible publicly available evidence since 9/11/01 that the official account of the events of that day is incomplete and fraught with errors;
  • The 9/11 Commission Report inadequately answered, and in numerous cases even failed to address, many of the most important questions that were called to its attention;
  • The blatant disregard of extensive compelling evidence that clearly refutes the official account raises rational suspicion of intentional deception by agents of the U.S. Government;
  • U.S. Government policies and military actions have been, and continue to be, founded upon assumptions about the events of 9/11 that are likely to be erroneous;
  • As a result of U.S. military action based on the official account of 9/11, thousands of U.S. servicemen and women and hundreds of thousands of civilians have lost their lives; and
  • The perpetrators of the heinous crimes against humanity that were committed on 9/11 have still not been brought to justice.

Therefore, we petition the Congress of the United States for a new and independent investigation into the events of 9/11/01 by a duly constituted legal body with the authority to subpoena and require testimony under oath, and with authority to prosecute if criminal activity is discovered, so that the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity can at last be brought to justice.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 08:02 | 599428 Seer
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"Any vet who was an E4 or higher can sign."

OK, I was higher than an E4, but WTF?  What the hell does rank have to do with telling or seeking the truth?  What if someone who had some special inside information and was courts martialed?

Perhaps I'm getting even more cynical, but it's starting to look like all these list signing things are some sort of data collection for the govt.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 08:59 | 599513 ATTILA THE WIMP


Myself, I think any vet should be allowed to sign but I'm not one of the organizers of this drive. Also, as a vet you surely know that almost everyone is discharged as an E4 or higher so that's no big deal. As for the government knowing about it that's exactly the point as the government critters will see all the names on the list despite who may have started the list. I did a year in the Vietnam meatgrinder as a grunt and I will not go to my grave without publicly speaking out against the greatest crime of this century.

My name is Thomas Chittum and I say that 911 was an inside job.


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 09:23 | 599559 The Rock
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Thu, 09/23/2010 - 03:20 | 599312 YOU
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Two things come to mind:

First, having worked a bit in that arena, and having high level contacts in the telecom arena, there is almost nothing that the govt cannot do. They do not need a warrant, and do not care. That is for your local case that goes to trial, when they want you they take you.

Second, one of the main points of releasing this information / disinformation is to create fear amongst the targeted. Fear of talking, joining seditious groups, spreading information, taking a stand... psyops.

And for those who refuse to put on the tinfoil hat... I do not have much to say. Just because you do not know or believe something does not make it untrue.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 01:44 | 599251 cocoablini
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Tinfoil hats are uncomfortable, but there's a reason why the World Trade Center was hit twice. The first attack during the Clinton years was a total botch by people who didn't understand engineering. The building had a strong core and weak outer prefab skin. The second time was devastating. If you consider the motives of the establishment, bubbles are great to ride but blow up unpredictably. If you know when you can pop a finance bubble, then you can reap the rewards of shorting it. The first Daniel Craig Bond film, " Casino Royale" implied that terrorists and others bet against the markets before the 9-11 attacks. Before 9-11, Microsoft had a bad earnings report in 2000 that instigated a full-blown margin call on the NASDAQ. The dot com bubble was shattering and a depressionary credit collapse was occurring. To pass blame on a total economy collapse to something other than poor and predatory Fed and government policy, what if we tacitly goaded the 9-11 attacks?
We all know Roosevelt failed to stop the depressionary collapse for years until he moved the country into war and jumpstarted government consumption and forced the public into austerity. There was full employment thanks to the draft and even the women were recruited into manufacturing.Luckily for us, we blew the shit out of every civilized country involved and we were the last country standing. If people understood that depressionary collapse can be stopped by massive government spending via war, then I assume that in 2001 we tried to instigate a war between the west and the middle east to create a diversion and a money velocity pump in the war economy. Imagine what employment would be like if the boys were here and not "there." Obama isn't going to bring anyone back- they are getting the same unemployment checks and blowing the shit out of everything in sight. 2 for 1 bargain. Then, thinking they saved the economy in 2002, the government and FED rejumped the bubble in the housing sector and the rest is history. The bigger the bubble, the bigger the bust. So, what are we doing now? Saber rattling against Iran. Trashtalking China. It's all on purpose, since the people in the "know" have placed their bets and put things in motion. Plenty of historians will tell you Japan was suckered into Pearl Harbor. Deflation is a bitch- and the political class is moving collectively to ensure they can stop new parties from emerging. Just follow the money and motives.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 03:13 | 599307 Sudden Debt
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+1000 cocoablini.

I didn't even think about that one. Without the army, unemployment would be up 20%. Scary thought...

Also 1 out of 2 Americans works for the government and 1 out of 4 people works for a intelligence department.

Looks more communist then one realizes...

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 06:22 | 599382 nmewn
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"Also 1 out of 2 Americans works for the government"

Well now, this is a stunner. A European socialist agreeing with Tea Party folks who believe there are too many people riding in the cart and not enough pulling the cart.

Hope & change ;-)

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 00:47 | 599222 CrackSmokeRepublican
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Looks like the Jews here at ZeroHedge are "Junking" the Protocols

...figures... lol...but that's JewTard for you... like Obama...

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 07:52 | 599424 Seer
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I didn't junk you, but your childish behvior is, I have to admit, a bit hard to take.  Anyone who tosses out lables and name-calling in such torrents doesn't deserve to be heard (I automatically skip such rants), whether right or wrong.  A name here or there, or a cuss word here or there (which I'm plenty of guilty of) can be expected, but you're beyond incivility.

Just saying...

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:42 | 601211 CrackSmokeRepublican
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Call it what you will...

but the highest incivility is the very word "Goyim"... it is in the Talmud... go look it up.

You see sometimes it is just good to call them out... for their typical Talmudism...

Really, is "OMG... ! He said JewTard and is childish...!!!" is supposed to "shame"??

:)  whatever... save your shame for not stopping the Protocolists and there are many on Wallstreet, in the Fed and in the US Govt.... Israel Did 9/11... yes... they did.

Like they attacked the USS Liberty.


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 00:25 | 599209 CrackSmokeRepublican
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J. L. Talmon, the Tsar and the Tsarina

    Another leading Zionist intellectual, J. L. Talmon, who receives an equally lavish writeup in the same issue of Who's Who in World Jewry, makes the following statement in his book Israel Among the Nations:

    "Three years later the Tsar and all his family were helpless prisoners guarded by a Jew and a few Latvian assistants. 'There was grim although probably quite accidental retribution' - says W. H. Chamberlain in his monumental Russian Revolution - 'in the fact that the chief executioner of Tsar Nicholas II and his family in the Ekaterinburg cellar was a Jew', Jacob Yurovsky ...  As if to heighten the symbolism of that dreadful end of one of the most powerful Royal dynasties in history at the hands of an obscure Jew, soldiers of the counter-revolutionary army seized Ekaterinburg a short time after, and found in the murdered Tsarina's room a copy of the Protocols of Zion ... " (pp. 69-70).


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 00:27 | 599176 CrackSmokeRepublican
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"This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution [reconstruction] of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing."
-Winston Churchill in Illustrated Sunday Herald, 8th February, 1920.
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately it is bound to spread in one form or another all over Europe and the whole world, as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality and whose object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
-British Government White Paper, Russia No. 1 (1919)
Israel Did 9/11! (if you didn't know already...)
Cass Sunstein Jew Protocolist and Obama's Confidant Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama's closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs." In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-"independent" advocates to "cognitively infiltrate" online groups and websites -- as well as other activist groups -- which advocate views that Sunstein deems "false conspiracy theories" about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens' faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper's abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.



Anthrax Attacks by Jew Run Benador Associates and Protocolist NeoCon Jewry:



Oh... so you think you are clever and have it all figure out... give the Protocols a careful read...  -->  ; )


Here's the Zionist criminal Jew that wrote them Asher Ginzberg. :



"The Global Jewish Bailout is going to burn" -- Main Street America

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 23:58 | 599170 string
Wed, 09/22/2010 - 23:04 | 599100 onlooker
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The spy has been throughout history. It is a necessity of any large organization or government. J Edgar Hoover knew more about everyone than they knew about themselves. The theme may be the problem. We had the wars and the enemy, USSR and the commies, Mafia persons, Frenzied Muslims, and then with Obama and Janet there were definitions that included us. Oooops. Then it gets personal. Maybe you are out of the military and you are offended that HLS put a tag on you as a potential recruit for some right wing nut group. Maybe you go to a protest because you think that is the only way to make your voice heard and don’t like being put on THE LIST.


It may be that this information being in public view is a way to intimidate the citizens to act nice. The urging of the government to rat out their neighbors may be kinda Germany 1933 or Russia WW1 thru 1991. But, there are some real problems we need to be attentive to. Foreign and native terrorists are a fact. Left and right, and religious. The Southern border is a cancer that is out of control. The untalked about story is the large scale drug operations that make up daily news stories and killings of thousands across from the Texas border. How much does the drug cartel control in Mexico may be guessed at. The question of how much the drug cartels control in the USA is not discussed. That tells me it is a problem of extreme size, money and influence, and maybe control. Another tip off is the statement by Mexico and US Politicos that the US creates the problem with $ for consumption/market. Do you notice there is not one bloody statement by ANYONE about dealing with the American drug addict? Not one official has announced a new forceful drug addiction program or program to deal with this destruction of our society. Is there too much pay off to our government combined with the profitable jail/prison system? Is this just a way to grow law enforcement? What the hell is going on? This is a large unanswered question, a dangerous question.  but---


Let them spy. Call them out and identify the spy programs. Spy on them. Also be alert to what is around you and the actions that do not fit. They are designed to take down the drug dealers and the terrorists. They may be despicable sons of bitches. But they are our despicable sons of bitches. at lest we hope so

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 22:19 | 599043 Dick Gozinya
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A must see on the topic of this thread





Wed, 09/22/2010 - 20:55 | 598934 nmewn
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Ummm...regarding #3...oh never mind.

It's got more moves than a John Kerry shell game to hide his boat ownership from taxes...LOL.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 20:19 | 598862 The Rock
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Did you know that most of our security technology is subcontracted to I s r a e l i-based companies?  How about our phone billing?  I s r a e l i-based Amdocs generates billing data for 90% of US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls.

Other I s r a e l i high-tech companies include Verint, NICE Systems and PerSay Voice Biometrics, some of which work in data mining and engage in software development for tapping telephones, fax machines, e-mail and computer communications.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 05:50 | 599367 Seer
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I'd have to look it up, but I believe that an Israeli company is also key in drone technology.


Is this the "God judges from above" that humanity has been programmed for eons to wait for?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 20:41 | 598905 rocker
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Now we are revealing the real perpetuators of control and command.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 17:46 | 598552 PicassoInActions
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Google is behind all of this ( tough i still prefer them pver yahoo)


Wed, 09/22/2010 - 20:34 | 598889 rocker
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"Google is behind this" Not quite, although they, like others, want to exploit knowledge. 

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 16:02 | 598231 CustomersMan
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     The point is this IMHO. While you are concentrating on trading in these rigged markets Poindexter and other right-wing elements have been plotting your demise and the confiscation of any and all wealth that you may accumulate in gains.

By branding you a terrorist, all that you have may be taken at any time, and the ability to do exactly that is and has been a top priority since 2000, the year in which the U.S. Government was taken over by the Supreme Court in more or less a bloodless Coup.

We all know who the Justices were and how they voted, and who put them in place. The result was Bush 2 in office. The old economy / old money at that point needed to slow down and take control of the Internet and the new fortunes it had been creating.


At one point, 1 share of Yahoo was able to buy 1 share each of all 30 Dow Industrials.

Do you think that bothered them? They couldn't get anywhere with "carnivore", not a chance of passing. But then 9/11 changed all that for them.

The Message = Play ball by our new rules or be stripped of everything, life ruined, or disappeared. Everything else re: the markets becomes meaningless.


Do you have something more important that we should discuss?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 15:29 | 598112 Careless Whisper
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seems like some peeps are walking around in a state of denial...


Wed, 09/22/2010 - 15:07 | 598031 tony bonn
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the fact that the information about the government's intent is not new in no way attenuates its ominous, threatening, totalitarian aims.....these tools from the cia are the brain children of the rockefeller banksters who control the cia. mk-ultra and its derivatives have been in full force operation since the 1940s....

the cameras on every street corner are but an implementation of the orwellian state....orwell spoke knowledgeably because he had inside information about what the satanist banksters wanted. they are most patient.

no technology advanced to control and subjugate is ever for its stated purpose of protection....the only purpose for these technologies is control....terrorism is sponsored by the state in order to justify these freedom crushing controls....

wtc was destroyed by the cia in a controlled demolition using nanothermite.....martin luther king jr was murdered by the fbi - approved by hoover - using cia for information and army delta forces as backups. an officer - with approval from the chief of the memphis police department - was the assassin of king. lloyd jowers was the bag man.

government is not here to protect - it is here to destroy. the us government is a terrorist organization intent upon conquoring the country.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:32 | 597902 crzyhun
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What is the point of this post, Tyler?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 15:15 | 598061 barkingbill
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maybe to realize what is going on in our world?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 15:13 | 598052 RockyRacoon
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What is the point of your comment?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:22 | 597860 sgt_doom
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Excellent post, GW, and here is the primo 6th fact about spying in America, and elsewhere:

Like the FBI's Carnivore, which they didn't discontinue when it came to light, simply renamed it to DCS1000 and continued on with the program, that Total Information Awareness wasn't discontinued, but simply renamed and hidden in plain sight. 

The actual Total Information Awareness can be found at the G.R.I.D. (Global Regulatory Information Database), ostensibly managed by the Regulatory DataCorp (found by the usual suspects, of course, the banksters), and they, ostensibly, are supposed to be about containing or avoiding risk, and tracking anti-money laundering (always a major laugh, as they are THE major money launderers).

The G.R.I.D. utilizes a host of software, but pivotal is the ClearForest software, created by an Israeli firm (now a subsidiary of Reuters, I believe), interestingly enough, had an office once upon a time at the World Trade Center up until 9/11/01.

The G.R.I.D. (and ClearForest) has some interesting financing behind them both, and is also used in a number of DoD operations and the FBI, etc.

Principal objective of the G.R.I.D. is the command and control, and tracking of that Global Financial Virus, those securitized financial instruments, credit derivatives, controlled principally by the top banksters:  JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup and BankofAmerica.

Secondarily, the purpose of the master program and associated databases of the G.R.I.D. is financial intelligence and control (blackmail, outing, exposure, etc.) of PEPs (Politically Exposed Persons).

No doubt they find many other uses of such information and data at their disposal.

Any doubters?  Simply do a little research on them, then happy hacking!

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:31 | 597878 Voodoo Economics
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It's in the trees - It's coming!


Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:31 | 597900 GoinFawr
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"It's in the trees - They're coming!"

Kate Bush?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:33 | 597910 Voodoo Economics
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Wed, 09/22/2010 - 13:57 | 597784 Sarah Conner
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This post is a little silly... isn't it?

"The continuity of government folks' AI program and the Pentagon's AI program may or may not be linked, but they both indicate massive spying and artificial intelligence in order to manipulate the American public, to concentrate power, to take away the liberties and freedoms of average Americans, and -- worst of all -- to induce chaos in order to achieve these ends."

You don't need an AI program to achieve all that... just vote the Democratic ticket.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 18:25 | 598653 moneymutt
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so none of this went on when Repubs were in power from 2000-2006

Why is it so few people can be skeptical of both parties...were you born in 2009, do you think the way for people take power back is to vote Repubs back in?

How about this, no matter how you feel about abortion, gay marriage, govt spending, foreign wars, we just all, culturally conservative or libertarian, pro-war or anti-war, just primary out all corporate sell outs that are pro-govt power...instead we max Dems and Repubs promise to not take a dime from any one other than an individual, that they promise to sponsor and pass a govt transparency bill etc...there are things Tea Partiers and Progressives can agree on, like no bank bailouts, even while we disagree on much else, rather than flailing back and forth between establishment Dems and Repubs, thinking the other party is the enemy, we should wake up and unite on things regular folks can agree

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 15:17 | 598071 barkingbill
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total moron republican statement. when will you ever learn. what hick solutions do you have? both parties are corrupt to the core. 

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:22 | 597859 GoingLoonie
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Oh, some of us still live in la la land.  The reality is that virtually everything we watch on TV is put out by the American Pravda factory.  This article really stops short of what is being done.  Our Government according to some of my friends is actually in the business of eliminating problem or suspect people.  See:





Other operating systems such as sewers that produce hydrogen sulfide gas can be used to cause additional damage to entire communities.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 17:56 | 598574 DosZap
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Don't forget Methane,their full of excrement.(:>

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:09 | 597821 GoinFawr
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Speaking of silly, apparently there are still some who think that the Demoblicans are two separate politcal parties...


Wed, 09/22/2010 - 15:12 | 598047 RockyRacoon
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Bang!  Boom!  Pow!   We have two parties?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:14 | 597837 DaveyJones
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it's amazing isn't it. You would think just the birth and death of Glass Steagall would be enough

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:02 | 597799 Voodoo Economics
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Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:11 | 597783 DaveyJones
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"Retroactive immunity for telecom companies who engaged in illegal spying at the behest of the NSA is at the heart of a bill currently being considered by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The bill, even before having been officially introduced, is being hotly debated by bloggers, electronic privacy groups, and civil libertarians, as well as presidential contenders"

(Lest readers be swayed by the Administration's repeated argument that "9/11 makes this necessary," the Rocky Mountain News reported (emphasis added) on October 11, 2007 that this spying was underway well before 9/11/01


(and the catch 22 or it takes two sets of criminals to pull this off)

"What Administration officials tend to obscure is that what they seek is not immunity for future cooperation with lawful surveillance, but rather telecom immunity for assisting with unlawful surveillance conducted from October 2001 through January 17, 2007, as part of the warrantless wiretap program initiated by the White House.

FISA carries a big stick to deter telecom assistance with illegal spying: each person aggrieved by illegal spying can sue for up to $10,000. That's a powerful deterrent because at $10,000 per customer, a large telecom provider has billions of dollars of exposure.

The Administration claims that the telecoms won't cooperate with future government surveillance activities unless retroactive immunity is granted, thus putting the nation at risk. The White House has it backwards.

Without the cloak of immunity, it's telecom assistance with unlawful surveillance activities that would suffer, and rightly so, because they would fear being hauled into court.

If telecom providers would refuse to assist in illegal spying programs, it sets up classic Washington showdown. The Administration would be forced to ask Congress to change the law and make legally questionable surveillance lawful. Congress might agree to change the law and if it did, immunity for assistance would no doubt be extended. Or, it might decide to leave the law alone, in which case there would be no immunity, and, in all likelihood, no illegal surveillance either. "




Wed, 09/22/2010 - 19:47 | 598796 kathy.chamberli...
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davey your a lawyer in cali, right? i believe all of this. i am about the most gullible, but i am coming around, that this is all happening.

Patriot ACT, bitchez .

just changed our freedom of privacy.

anyway rocky mountain times, belly up.

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