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In 53-42 Vote, Wisconsin Assembly Gives Final Passage To Bill Stripping Collective Bargaining Rights; Politicians Get Death Threats Over Imminent Austerity

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Thu, 03/10/2011 - 17:53 | 1038091 ReeferMac
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This just in, Canada is preparing for air strikes against union protestors in neighboring Wisconsin.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 18:14 | 1038187 NewThor
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I hope they don't blow up the cheese curd factories. Those are so good.


Poor people buying homes caused the Credit Crunch Crisis of 2008.

Unions caused the $20 trillion dollar federal and state debt situation of 2011.


Get rid of poor people and unions, give the banks another $20 trillion, and

America will be better than ever's ever! Swear to the Bernank!


Thu, 03/10/2011 - 18:19 | 1038210 saladbarbeef
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According to a 120 year old plat map, at the time there were three cheese factory and creameries within 5 miles of my house.  Gotta love Wisc.  


Interestingly, what passed in the past two days would not have passed two weeks ago.  The GOP Senators are saying they really were stunned by the Fugitive-14 and tried to work out a deal to get them here with honor (throw them a bone.)   Instead the GOP just got fed up with the Fugitives taking orders from fat union bosses and refusing to do their job.  Rioting and death threats showed them who they were really dealing with.


Wisconsin GOP:  Like a BOSS!

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:25 | 1038565 gmrpeabody
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No advance notice...

Surely you jest.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:15 | 1039611 JW n FL
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$440,781,045,961.00 is what the Banks Robbed the People of with QE 2...

           $??,???,???.00 is what the Lobby just robbed the Working Class of Wisconsin for...


Every little bit helps.. when Robbing from "We the People".


Thank God for the Republicans!!  

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:20 | 1039626 JW n FL
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How many in Wisconsin were out in the Street with signs against the Bankers Bonus Monies?

So, $440,781,045,961.00?? Gets a pass from the Republicans in Wisconsin?? But the Union?? Get’s Ass Raped?

All this media fan fare?? For how many millions of dollars? But no fan fare from the Republicans or Democrats for $440,781,045,961.00 in Wisconsin.. not one fucking picket sign painted up? Maybe abortion then?

When the Country falls to the Police Force (who didn’t get a pay cut) and Politicians, Wisconsin’s will ask how did it happen?  

You all must be right, it is just me being concerned with the larger problem.. that is being completely fucking ignored and played down..

My bad, Carry on.. at least a few more months before you will be forced to think about it..

All is well, food stamps for all!!! Banker Bonuses, just for the few.. Sorry.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:27 | 1039630 JW n FL
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Thank!! God!!!


The Unions in Wisconsin are almost Dead!


All of our problems are solved!!


This event will stop the Bankers from Robbing the Country Blind of Trillions of Dollars a year!!!


When the house is being robbed, it is not a good time to Paint Abortion Signs or Union Bust.. we should be dealing with the larger problems at hand..


Ahhhhhh.. never mind.. Unions, Danzig Wiff Da Starz and / or Jerry Springer... its all the same thing.


Broker Union Workers in Wisconsin are NOT! the Problem.. Trillions of Dollars and Bank Bonuses that could have paid for the Union plus! Plus!! PLUS!!! thats the fucking problem people!


Wake the FUCK! UP!! PEOPLE!!!



Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:42 | 1039675 66Sexy
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They are coming for your ships, your planets, your people

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 04:39 | 1039875 Bob
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I'm afraid you are AWAKE, JW, and the nightmare is real.  Virgins are being sacrificed by the thousands and blood floods the streets while the goons of the elite praise the gods for their deliverance. 

It's frustrating to see that the finance community, after all its talk about the banksters, apparently sides with the . . . finance community.  But think about that. 

It is what it is. 



Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:28 | 1039901 Been Jammin Bur...
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Keep calm...WalMart's having a sale...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:40 | 1039912 simpleminds
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In my opinion, since "We the People" pay the salaries and benefits of employees in the the public unions, it is the public employees who are robbing "We the People" in a similar fashion to Wall Street by paying off those in charge to look the other way or to vote in their favor.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 09:45 | 1040208 OnyerMarks
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If the public sector can get together and demand pay raises and gold plated benefits, then we private sector people (who pay the bill) should get together and demand some fiscal accountability.  oh...wait....we did in November!




Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:33 | 1038618 CrockettAlmanac.com
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So you're just a small time moocher and that ought to be OK?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:32 | 1038983 G-R-U-N-T
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Hey Unununium....A repeat of my previous comment on the live streaming thread...

Perks, pensions, health-care, ridiculous undeserving salaries, shenanigans going on behind the scenes to cover up mismanagement of public funds, public officials/politicians looting the tax payer of every cent they can get away with through subtle covert deceptive tactics, the corruption, lying, cheating and stealing goes on, and on, and on....

We in the private sector have been more than generous to the public sector and we get rewarded by their union thugs and self obsessed politicians making trouble for us by trying to bleed us dry in the midst of an economic collapse. They have been spoiled to the point where their minds have been infected with the sickness of greed and like spoiled children with no boundaries they will have to be punished.


Their review on their performance has just been published....They are definitely over paid! They wouldn't last 2 seconds in the private sector with a performance record like this....




Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:36 | 1039026 SWRichmond
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We certainly don't need any public sector unions.  Public sector employees have no concept of business and are, for the most part, under no pressure to accomplish anything.  They expect regular raises, get comparably great benefits, job security (now unknown in the private sector), retiree medical, defined benefit pensions.  They get all of this at the expense of the ever-shrinking productive sector.  Unionize and demand more and more?  FOAD.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:51 | 1039220 G-R-U-N-T
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Well said SWR, well said indeed!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:12 | 1039436 Oh regional Indian
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up and down this thread

so clear

everyone is ruled by fear

fear makes you an easy tool

for the con-trollers

to divide and _________


Fight on!


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:17 | 1039500 G-R-U-N-T
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Fear is negative anticipation which is what consumed the politicians into retreat while union thugs and their useful idiots reacted like spoiled adolescent children acting out causing an estimated $7.5 million in damage to the Capitol building.


Another tax payer casualty of irresponsibility from unrestrained union merry making...Good lord!

Governor Walker and a small majority of his colleagues were courageous enough to stand up for the private sector in PRINCIPLE and not back down thus fulfilling their elected responsibilities. My hat goes off to them because in American there still exists principled moral clarity.






Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:02 | 1039547 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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Must be something wrong with me, but I figured unununium for maybe 5 junks, not 40.

I thought he made a fair amount of sense.

I've always been of the opinion that selfish traders who profit from buying and selling bullshit paper are moochers and generally useless to society (at least for the last 10 years). Hoard PMs to protect your wealth if you want, but if you have 100 times as much PMs as me when TSHTF, it doesn't make you 100 times as valuable as me.

I hope the survivors of the Wisconsin riots and massacres junk you junkers 40 times when dictators come for ZH.

edit: apparently he is now junked to oblivion...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:16 | 1039609 Creed
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This battle didn't spring up overnight.

It's been on my radar for many years.

It needs to be handled. It's part of deconstructing the monstrosity we call "government" here in the USA.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:45 | 1039683 Oh regional Indian
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Peace Creed, i was just rhyming and pointing out that if this board is any indication, I see a house divided, against itself.

Perhaps energies being distracted into a seemingly important issue, while the house burns down.


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 04:28 | 1039878 Bob
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You've got it, ORI.  Imagine that madness from the inside watching the "victors" celebrate like pagans dancing in ecstacy around the fire. 

May your times not be too interesting.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:23 | 1039896 downwiththebanks
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What's clearly not part of the agenda is addressing the economic crisis.  Laying off workers does not help that one iota.  Because improving the economy has nothing to do with what's happening in Wisconsin.

What's happening in Wisconsin, and on ZeroHedge, is a diversion taking people's attention away from the REAL worthless, thieving social parasites who do NOTHING productive:  the banker-gangsters.   Any proposed solution that doesn't involve these thieving bastards committing suicide en masse for the sake of humanity is not a solution at all.

Anyone who attacks the working class for their greed while saying NOTHING about the true problem is either a dupe, and idiot, or an agent.

One of the three.

So which are you?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:34 | 1039332 Virginian
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For that pithy comment SW, a dram of single malt at the establishment of your choice! We Richmonders must hang together - or surely we will all hang separately.

Sic Semper Tyrannis

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:38 | 1039510 ebworthen
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I hate to bust your inside the beltway business school bubbles but you guys don't get it.

Wisconsin is simply a sellout of the American individual and family.

The "Government versus Entrepreneurial Mavericks" is a dead horse.

That is part of the fog, part of the distraction.

"The People" are losing.

You can have an election with for "Republicans" then a win for "Democrats" but all it really means is more long term see-sawing that GUARANTEES the loss of individual rights and freedom.


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:51 | 1039551 BrosMacManus
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There's good arguments on both sides. However, the paying members are the pawns of the real power brokers, and the circle jerk set up be/w the union brass and a pandering political class is so blatantly conflicted as to keep me ambivalent to the fact that middle class people are getting the shaft in this. Rinse and repeat, switching another pandering political class with corporate power brokers, with another screwing of the middle class.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:25 | 1039900 downwiththebanks
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But the banker-gangsters, who steal and pillage and rape and rob on a scale that dwarfs that of anyone belonging to the working class - they're allowed to collect $50 billion dollars in bonuses without being taxed.

Are you a dupe of the banker-gangsters, their agent, or just simply an idiot?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:19 | 1039621 Creed
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There is no place for unions in PUBLIC SERVICE that

is paid for by PUBLIC FUNDS.

Government workers are not America. You do not represent me or most of the people on my block.

Government workers first allegiance is to GOVERNMENT.


Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:01 | 1039243 KinorSensase
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Ha.  I can't believe there are retards on this site actually bashing unions.  I thought the ZH crew was aware of the banking/finance system?  No union corruption could ever scratch the surface of the magnitude of corruption and thievery perpetrated daily by banksters.  And you're shitting on teachers!  Hahahahaha.  Really, punish the teachers, you'll have a real nice future for your children.  Did I mention that you're retards yet?  Retards.


Have fun chasing the nickel and dime "crooks," don't forget to open the door for the Guv after austerity comes to a town near you.



Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:40 | 1039350 Larry Darrell
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We the PRODUCERS are completely aware of ALL OF THE PARASITES.........the elite bankers and pols, the food stampers who have no desire to do anything else, and the public sector unions.


And here's what you haven't considered.........if we bring the public unions down, then those people have to live like we do.  Once that happens, MAYBE (and it's an admittedly small chance since the union parasites are mostly ignorant) we can get them to pay the fuck attention to how the BANKERS are fucking us ALL.


And we need the union members to wake the fuck up to the bankster problem so they can join our fight because if they are anything, it is organized, and we could use that skill on this side to help bring the bankers down.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:29 | 1039760 rich_wicks
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And here's what you haven't considered.........if we bring the public unions down, then those people have to live like we do.  Once that happens, MAYBE (and it's an admittedly small chance since the union parasites are mostly ignorant) we can get them to pay the fuck attention to how the BANKERS are fucking us ALL.


The problem is the public sector employees couldn't give a rat's ass about what the government does to screw over the private sector employees, as long as they get their share of the loot from stealing from us.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 07:48 | 1039985 SWRichmond
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Fri, 03/11/2011 - 04:49 | 1039884 Bob
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I don't know your story, Larry, but this being a finance site, I'm wondering if you're asserting that finance people are producers?

Yeah, keep pointing at the other guys.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:28 | 1039902 downwiththebanks
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Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:40 | 1039353 ManOfBliss
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Is that your indirect way of supporting unions? By trying to chastize people for not putting down banks in the comment section of an article on teachers?

Not a day goes by where 100 people on this website don't hate on banks for all the terrible corruption they perpetrate.

You should tell the union members in Wisconsin what you just said. While they "nickel and dime" (as you put it), none of them were up in arms over bailouts. I can just as easily use your silly argument against you.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:02 | 1039411 KinorSensase
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Meh.  Retardos.  Dos.  I still think chasing unions is a waste of time, and in "nickel and dime" I'm referring to wasting the allocation of effort in seeking and prosecuting corruption within unions instead of on the far greater scale of banking.  I think you could get a better ROI going after the banks. 

In particular, it's just lame the way the Koch Bro's hijacked the Tea Party and have this hard on for busting labor...it's the fucking base of capitalism.  Teachers?  Why would you want to skimp on the that part of your state budget?  It's supposed to be the investment in your community's children, and it's fucking stupid to make it a focul point for cutting costs, esp. when they lion's share is off being stolen by the banking system.

Also, I also work in the private sector, funny enough using my two hands.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:21 | 1039459 sun tzu
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Somehow it is beyond the comprehension ability of the left-wing cretins that a person can oppose both banker and union corruption at the same time. In the demented mind of the left-wing, you have to either support the corrupt bankers or corrupt unions.

The honest and decent people in America oppose the corrupt bankers, unions, politicos and media.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:49 | 1039543 KinorSensase
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haha you think I'm left wing.  I'm actually more of a breast meat guy. 


But the corrupt teachers, you winning me over on that point.  In fact, I cede the post.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:29 | 1039642 Creed
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That's the art of war in action buddy.

Those are called "smoke grenades".

They throw out things about bankers hoping to capture populist emotion & obfuscate the issue,


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:18 | 1039733 Michael
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Cretin is a good description. Michael Savage says those kinds of people have a mental disorder. They teach everyone around them to talk and think the same way using the same talking point sayings, even the school kids are taught to talk the same way. They never deviate from their script even when given more precise language, they revert to what appears to be some mind control tactic they are using, whether consciously but more likely subconsciously. It's as if they are stuck in some sort of a hypnotic state of mind and can't break themselves out of it. I do believe they will wake up when it is too late and nobody has any money anymore.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:32 | 1039906 downwiththebanks
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It's not "beyond the comprehension" of anyone.

Rather, the choice you've made to focus your fire on those people working to make a living and to lay off the people who CAUSED the economic meltdown demonstrate one of three things:  either you are a dupe of the banker-gangsters, because they have suckered you into saying the two groups - workers and banker-gangsters - are more or less equivalent.

Or you're an agent of those very same banker-gangsters, sent to attack the workers and divert attention from their crimes.

Or you're just an idiot incapable of seeing the problem for what it is, sucking down corporate propaganda.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:26 | 1039634 Creed
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You're blowing smoke up my ass.

The bankers are one battle, overpaid PUBLIC UNION EMPLOYEES are another battle.

There's lots of other battles & together they make a war.

Teachers? Yeah, and all the rest of the workers that make up city/county/state & Federal governments.

All of them need to have a haircut.

Why am I paying for their benefits when I don't have my own benefits? How about I just pay for mine? Isn't that fair?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:23 | 1039754 Michael
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That's how most people really feel Creed.

And there are more than one theater of war.

In one theater you kill the king in the other theaters you kill the cronies.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:37 | 1039911 downwiththebanks
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If you're concerned about fairness, I suggest you look up the rate of corporate profits over the last 30 years.  Or executive bonuses.  Or CEO pay.

It's the height of lunacy to talk about haircuts and fairness while adopting their position on Wisconsin.

That you don't have your own benefits does not imply that nurses and bus drivers don't deserve them.   It means you do, yet do not receive them in order for banker-gangsters to loot more cash from those who actually perform labor.  And I guarantee you one thing:  crushing the working class, which is the project afoot here, will not help you GAIN anything.  

Yet you're participating in the attack against them without paying anything other than lip-service to the real criminals, parasites, and thieves.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:06 | 1039418 PD Quig
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Right. The. Fuck. On.

It isn't about the teachers: It's about the backroom deals where public employee unions and politicians on the campaign contribution "take" both negotiate to eachother's benefit at the expense of the poor schlub taxpayer who pays both of their asses and has no way to stop the one-way ratchet upwards for compensation and benefits. Look, I carry no brief for Republicans (they abandoned their small government principles long ago, and it remains to be seen whether they are serious about returning to them), but the Dems are absolutely beyond contempt--and the left-wing hypocrisy about 'civility' has been revealed in spades in the past few weeks. The ironic thing is that if the unions were to get what they want, their jobs and pensions would absolutely go up in smoke when the final reckoning came in a few more years. The public employee unions and Dems are too fucking stupid to understand that a forced diet right now will keep them from suffering a massive financial coronary in a few years (actually, their fiscal arteries are hopelessly clogged already). Dumb fuckers still believe in the money fairy.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:44 | 1039916 downwiththebanks
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Your view is that working-class people in Wisconsin should stop bitching about the "money fairy" IN VIOLATION OF THEIR CONTRACT.  You say they should take sleeping severe cuts to their health care, benefits, and wages.

But banker-gangsters get bailed out at par, collect $50,000,000,000 bonuses while performing not a day of labor in their lives.  

This has nothing to do with solving an economic problem.  It has to do with the same banker-gangsters who have robbed the workers blind redoubling their attack, going after the working class with dupes, agents, and useful idiots.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:52 | 1039687 Michael
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"We in the private sector have been more than generous to the public sector and we get rewarded by their union thugs and self obsessed politicians making trouble for us by trying to bleed us dry in the midst of an economic collapse. They have been spoiled to the point where their minds have been infected with the sickness of greed and like spoiled children with no boundaries they will have to be punished."

And to know these are our employees doing this to us. They truly are children that need to be spanked.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:48 | 1039919 downwiththebanks
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Don't act like businessmen are smart.  THEY CAUSED THE CRISIS.

Compared to the banker-gangsters who DESTROYED the economy, any drooling invalid could do a better job.

The "private sector"!  What a joke.  Does the United States even have one of those, anymore?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:34 | 1038620 masterinchancery
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Thank you, Dr. Goebbels.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:41 | 1038657 Ironmaan
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I guess it depends on what problem you are referring to. I do believe that they are responsible for the fact that our students are borderline retard when compared to the rest of the world. So, I wouldn't consider teachers greedy, just incompetant and undeserving of their salaries.


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