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In 53-42 Vote, Wisconsin Assembly Gives Final Passage To Bill Stripping Collective Bargaining Rights; Politicians Get Death Threats Over Imminent Austerity

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After yesterday the Wisconsin Senate passed the controversial Union Bargaining Bill, using a surprising loophole, resulting in a Union occupation of the Capitol building, the next formality before its enactment has just taken place: the Wisconsin Assembly has just given final passage to the bill, meaning just the signature of Governor Walker is all that is needed at this point, something which will surely happen in the next few hours. And after earlier the Obama administration expressed its disappointment that Wisconsin managed to find this legislative loophole, thereby making the farcical taxpayer funded self-exile of the state democrats all for naught, we are confident the president will be making the teleprompted rounds imminently.

From AP:

Wisconsin lawmakers have voted to strip nearly all collective bargaining rights from the state's public workers in one of the strongest blows to the power of unions in years.

The state's Assembly passed Republican Gov. Scott Walker's explosive proposal 53-42 Thursday. The state's Senate approved it the night before after using a procedural move to bypass its AWOL Democrats.

Walker says he'll sign the legislation as quickly as possible.

The vote brings a swift end to a standoff over union rights that has rocked Wisconsin and the nation. Tens of thousands of protesters have converged on the state's Capitol for weeks of demonstrations.

The implementation of Walker's proposal will be a key victory for Republicans who have targeted unions amid efforts to slash government spending.

In the meantime, as Karl Denningers highlights, social decay is propagating after Wisconsin politicians receive the following death threat:

Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and the people that support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand for it any longer. So, this is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn't leave it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message to you since you are so "high" on Koch and have decided that you are now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We Will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel that it's worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!! 

Forget Saudi days of rage: you take away some entitlements right here in our own back yard and civil war may soon break out...

 

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Thu, 03/10/2011 - 17:53 | 1038091 ReeferMac
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This just in, Canada is preparing for air strikes against union protestors in neighboring Wisconsin.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 18:14 | 1038187 NewThor
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I hope they don't blow up the cheese curd factories. Those are so good.

Ok.

Poor people buying homes caused the Credit Crunch Crisis of 2008.

Unions caused the $20 trillion dollar federal and state debt situation of 2011.

Solution?

Get rid of poor people and unions, give the banks another $20 trillion, and

America will be better than ever's ever! Swear to the Bernank!

 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 18:19 | 1038210 saladbarbeef
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According to a 120 year old plat map, at the time there were three cheese factory and creameries within 5 miles of my house.  Gotta love Wisc.  

 

Interestingly, what passed in the past two days would not have passed two weeks ago.  The GOP Senators are saying they really were stunned by the Fugitive-14 and tried to work out a deal to get them here with honor (throw them a bone.)   Instead the GOP just got fed up with the Fugitives taking orders from fat union bosses and refusing to do their job.  Rioting and death threats showed them who they were really dealing with.

 

Wisconsin GOP:  Like a BOSS!

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:25 | 1038565 gmrpeabody
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No advance notice...

Surely you jest.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:15 | 1039611 JW n FL
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$440,781,045,961.00 is what the Banks Robbed the People of with QE 2...

           $??,???,???.00 is what the Lobby just robbed the Working Class of Wisconsin for...

 

Every little bit helps.. when Robbing from "We the People".

 

Thank God for the Republicans!!  

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:20 | 1039626 JW n FL
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How many in Wisconsin were out in the Street with signs against the Bankers Bonus Monies?

So, $440,781,045,961.00?? Gets a pass from the Republicans in Wisconsin?? But the Union?? Get’s Ass Raped?

All this media fan fare?? For how many millions of dollars? But no fan fare from the Republicans or Democrats for $440,781,045,961.00 in Wisconsin.. not one fucking picket sign painted up? Maybe abortion then?

When the Country falls to the Police Force (who didn’t get a pay cut) and Politicians, Wisconsin’s will ask how did it happen?  

You all must be right, it is just me being concerned with the larger problem.. that is being completely fucking ignored and played down..

My bad, Carry on.. at least a few more months before you will be forced to think about it..

All is well, food stamps for all!!! Banker Bonuses, just for the few.. Sorry.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:27 | 1039630 JW n FL
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Thank!! God!!!

 

The Unions in Wisconsin are almost Dead!

 

All of our problems are solved!!

 

This event will stop the Bankers from Robbing the Country Blind of Trillions of Dollars a year!!!

 

When the house is being robbed, it is not a good time to Paint Abortion Signs or Union Bust.. we should be dealing with the larger problems at hand..

 

Ahhhhhh.. never mind.. Unions, Danzig Wiff Da Starz and / or Jerry Springer... its all the same thing.

 

Broker Union Workers in Wisconsin are NOT! the Problem.. Trillions of Dollars and Bank Bonuses that could have paid for the Union plus! Plus!! PLUS!!! thats the fucking problem people!

 

Wake the FUCK! UP!! PEOPLE!!!

 

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:42 | 1039675 66Sexy
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They are coming for your ships, your planets, your people

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 04:39 | 1039875 Bob
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I'm afraid you are AWAKE, JW, and the nightmare is real.  Virgins are being sacrificed by the thousands and blood floods the streets while the goons of the elite praise the gods for their deliverance. 

It's frustrating to see that the finance community, after all its talk about the banksters, apparently sides with the . . . finance community.  But think about that. 

It is what it is. 

BTFD. 

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:28 | 1039901 Been Jammin Bur...
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Keep calm...WalMart's having a sale...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:40 | 1039912 simpleminds
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In my opinion, since "We the People" pay the salaries and benefits of employees in the the public unions, it is the public employees who are robbing "We the People" in a similar fashion to Wall Street by paying off those in charge to look the other way or to vote in their favor.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 09:45 | 1040208 OnyerMarks
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If the public sector can get together and demand pay raises and gold plated benefits, then we private sector people (who pay the bill) should get together and demand some fiscal accountability.  oh...wait....we did in November!

 

GO WALKER!!

GO RYAN!! 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:33 | 1038618 CrockettAlmanac.com
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So you're just a small time moocher and that ought to be OK?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:32 | 1038983 G-R-U-N-T
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Hey Unununium....A repeat of my previous comment on the live streaming thread...

Perks, pensions, health-care, ridiculous undeserving salaries, shenanigans going on behind the scenes to cover up mismanagement of public funds, public officials/politicians looting the tax payer of every cent they can get away with through subtle covert deceptive tactics, the corruption, lying, cheating and stealing goes on, and on, and on....

We in the private sector have been more than generous to the public sector and we get rewarded by their union thugs and self obsessed politicians making trouble for us by trying to bleed us dry in the midst of an economic collapse. They have been spoiled to the point where their minds have been infected with the sickness of greed and like spoiled children with no boundaries they will have to be punished.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4tR6Aune0A&feature=related

Their review on their performance has just been published....They are definitely over paid! They wouldn't last 2 seconds in the private sector with a performance record like this....

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gPmjfDMN5nHOpeSIZYLwkV...

 

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKN' UNIONS!!!

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:36 | 1039026 SWRichmond
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We certainly don't need any public sector unions.  Public sector employees have no concept of business and are, for the most part, under no pressure to accomplish anything.  They expect regular raises, get comparably great benefits, job security (now unknown in the private sector), retiree medical, defined benefit pensions.  They get all of this at the expense of the ever-shrinking productive sector.  Unionize and demand more and more?  FOAD.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:51 | 1039220 G-R-U-N-T
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Well said SWR, well said indeed!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:12 | 1039436 Oh regional Indian
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up and down this thread

so clear

everyone is ruled by fear

fear makes you an easy tool

for the con-trollers

to divide and _________

;-)

Fight on!

ORI

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:17 | 1039500 G-R-U-N-T
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Fear is negative anticipation which is what consumed the politicians into retreat while union thugs and their useful idiots reacted like spoiled adolescent children acting out causing an estimated $7.5 million in damage to the Capitol building.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/117340918.html

Another tax payer casualty of irresponsibility from unrestrained union merry making...Good lord!

Governor Walker and a small majority of his colleagues were courageous enough to stand up for the private sector in PRINCIPLE and not back down thus fulfilling their elected responsibilities. My hat goes off to them because in American there still exists principled moral clarity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUTXb-ga1fo

 

PRINCIPLES BEFORE PERSONALITIES UNION BITCHEZ!!!

 

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:02 | 1039547 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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Must be something wrong with me, but I figured unununium for maybe 5 junks, not 40.

I thought he made a fair amount of sense.

I've always been of the opinion that selfish traders who profit from buying and selling bullshit paper are moochers and generally useless to society (at least for the last 10 years). Hoard PMs to protect your wealth if you want, but if you have 100 times as much PMs as me when TSHTF, it doesn't make you 100 times as valuable as me.

I hope the survivors of the Wisconsin riots and massacres junk you junkers 40 times when dictators come for ZH.

edit: apparently he is now junked to oblivion...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:16 | 1039609 Creed
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BULLSHIT ORI.

This battle didn't spring up overnight.

It's been on my radar for many years.

It needs to be handled. It's part of deconstructing the monstrosity we call "government" here in the USA.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:45 | 1039683 Oh regional Indian
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Peace Creed, i was just rhyming and pointing out that if this board is any indication, I see a house divided, against itself.

Perhaps energies being distracted into a seemingly important issue, while the house burns down.

ORI

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 04:28 | 1039878 Bob
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You've got it, ORI.  Imagine that madness from the inside watching the "victors" celebrate like pagans dancing in ecstacy around the fire. 

May your times not be too interesting.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:23 | 1039896 downwiththebanks
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What's clearly not part of the agenda is addressing the economic crisis.  Laying off workers does not help that one iota.  Because improving the economy has nothing to do with what's happening in Wisconsin.

What's happening in Wisconsin, and on ZeroHedge, is a diversion taking people's attention away from the REAL worthless, thieving social parasites who do NOTHING productive:  the banker-gangsters.   Any proposed solution that doesn't involve these thieving bastards committing suicide en masse for the sake of humanity is not a solution at all.

Anyone who attacks the working class for their greed while saying NOTHING about the true problem is either a dupe, and idiot, or an agent.

One of the three.

So which are you?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:34 | 1039332 Virginian
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For that pithy comment SW, a dram of single malt at the establishment of your choice! We Richmonders must hang together - or surely we will all hang separately.

Sic Semper Tyrannis

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:38 | 1039510 ebworthen
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I hate to bust your inside the beltway business school bubbles but you guys don't get it.

Wisconsin is simply a sellout of the American individual and family.

The "Government versus Entrepreneurial Mavericks" is a dead horse.

That is part of the fog, part of the distraction.

"The People" are losing.

You can have an election with for "Republicans" then a win for "Democrats" but all it really means is more long term see-sawing that GUARANTEES the loss of individual rights and freedom.

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:51 | 1039551 BrosMacManus
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There's good arguments on both sides. However, the paying members are the pawns of the real power brokers, and the circle jerk set up be/w the union brass and a pandering political class is so blatantly conflicted as to keep me ambivalent to the fact that middle class people are getting the shaft in this. Rinse and repeat, switching another pandering political class with corporate power brokers, with another screwing of the middle class.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:25 | 1039900 downwiththebanks
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But the banker-gangsters, who steal and pillage and rape and rob on a scale that dwarfs that of anyone belonging to the working class - they're allowed to collect $50 billion dollars in bonuses without being taxed.

Are you a dupe of the banker-gangsters, their agent, or just simply an idiot?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:19 | 1039621 Creed
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BULLSHIT EBWORTH.

There is no place for unions in PUBLIC SERVICE that

is paid for by PUBLIC FUNDS.

Government workers are not America. You do not represent me or most of the people on my block.

Government workers first allegiance is to GOVERNMENT.

 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:01 | 1039243 KinorSensase
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Ha.  I can't believe there are retards on this site actually bashing unions.  I thought the ZH crew was aware of the banking/finance system?  No union corruption could ever scratch the surface of the magnitude of corruption and thievery perpetrated daily by banksters.  And you're shitting on teachers!  Hahahahaha.  Really, punish the teachers, you'll have a real nice future for your children.  Did I mention that you're retards yet?  Retards.

 

Have fun chasing the nickel and dime "crooks," don't forget to open the door for the Guv after austerity comes to a town near you.

 

NULLUS VINCO.  HAUD MANCIPIUM.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:40 | 1039350 Larry Darrell
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We the PRODUCERS are completely aware of ALL OF THE PARASITES.........the elite bankers and pols, the food stampers who have no desire to do anything else, and the public sector unions.

 

And here's what you haven't considered.........if we bring the public unions down, then those people have to live like we do.  Once that happens, MAYBE (and it's an admittedly small chance since the union parasites are mostly ignorant) we can get them to pay the fuck attention to how the BANKERS are fucking us ALL.

 

And we need the union members to wake the fuck up to the bankster problem so they can join our fight because if they are anything, it is organized, and we could use that skill on this side to help bring the bankers down.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:29 | 1039760 rich_wicks
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And here's what you haven't considered.........if we bring the public unions down, then those people have to live like we do.  Once that happens, MAYBE (and it's an admittedly small chance since the union parasites are mostly ignorant) we can get them to pay the fuck attention to how the BANKERS are fucking us ALL.

BINGO!

The problem is the public sector employees couldn't give a rat's ass about what the government does to screw over the private sector employees, as long as they get their share of the loot from stealing from us.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 07:48 | 1039985 SWRichmond
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+1

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 04:49 | 1039884 Bob
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I don't know your story, Larry, but this being a finance site, I'm wondering if you're asserting that finance people are producers?

Yeah, keep pointing at the other guys.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:28 | 1039902 downwiththebanks
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Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:40 | 1039353 ManOfBliss
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Is that your indirect way of supporting unions? By trying to chastize people for not putting down banks in the comment section of an article on teachers?

Not a day goes by where 100 people on this website don't hate on banks for all the terrible corruption they perpetrate.

You should tell the union members in Wisconsin what you just said. While they "nickel and dime" (as you put it), none of them were up in arms over bailouts. I can just as easily use your silly argument against you.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:02 | 1039411 KinorSensase
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Meh.  Retardos.  Dos.  I still think chasing unions is a waste of time, and in "nickel and dime" I'm referring to wasting the allocation of effort in seeking and prosecuting corruption within unions instead of on the far greater scale of banking.  I think you could get a better ROI going after the banks. 

In particular, it's just lame the way the Koch Bro's hijacked the Tea Party and have this hard on for busting labor...it's the fucking base of capitalism.  Teachers?  Why would you want to skimp on the that part of your state budget?  It's supposed to be the investment in your community's children, and it's fucking stupid to make it a focul point for cutting costs, esp. when they lion's share is off being stolen by the banking system.

Also, I also work in the private sector, funny enough using my two hands.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:21 | 1039459 sun tzu
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Somehow it is beyond the comprehension ability of the left-wing cretins that a person can oppose both banker and union corruption at the same time. In the demented mind of the left-wing, you have to either support the corrupt bankers or corrupt unions.

The honest and decent people in America oppose the corrupt bankers, unions, politicos and media.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:49 | 1039543 KinorSensase
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haha you think I'm left wing.  I'm actually more of a breast meat guy. 

 

But the corrupt teachers, you winning me over on that point.  In fact, I cede the post.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:29 | 1039642 Creed
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SUN TZU-

That's the art of war in action buddy.

Those are called "smoke grenades".

They throw out things about bankers hoping to capture populist emotion & obfuscate the issue,

WHICH IS OVERPAID OVERBENEFITTED PUBLIC UNIONISTS.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:18 | 1039733 Michael
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Cretin is a good description. Michael Savage says those kinds of people have a mental disorder. They teach everyone around them to talk and think the same way using the same talking point sayings, even the school kids are taught to talk the same way. They never deviate from their script even when given more precise language, they revert to what appears to be some mind control tactic they are using, whether consciously but more likely subconsciously. It's as if they are stuck in some sort of a hypnotic state of mind and can't break themselves out of it. I do believe they will wake up when it is too late and nobody has any money anymore.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:32 | 1039906 downwiththebanks
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It's not "beyond the comprehension" of anyone.

Rather, the choice you've made to focus your fire on those people working to make a living and to lay off the people who CAUSED the economic meltdown demonstrate one of three things:  either you are a dupe of the banker-gangsters, because they have suckered you into saying the two groups - workers and banker-gangsters - are more or less equivalent.

Or you're an agent of those very same banker-gangsters, sent to attack the workers and divert attention from their crimes.

Or you're just an idiot incapable of seeing the problem for what it is, sucking down corporate propaganda.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:26 | 1039634 Creed
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BULLSHIT KINORCAN'TSPELLSENSEI.

You're blowing smoke up my ass.

The bankers are one battle, overpaid PUBLIC UNION EMPLOYEES are another battle.

There's lots of other battles & together they make a war.

Teachers? Yeah, and all the rest of the workers that make up city/county/state & Federal governments.

All of them need to have a haircut.

Why am I paying for their benefits when I don't have my own benefits? How about I just pay for mine? Isn't that fair?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:23 | 1039754 Michael
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That's how most people really feel Creed.

And there are more than one theater of war.

In one theater you kill the king in the other theaters you kill the cronies.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:37 | 1039911 downwiththebanks
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If you're concerned about fairness, I suggest you look up the rate of corporate profits over the last 30 years.  Or executive bonuses.  Or CEO pay.

It's the height of lunacy to talk about haircuts and fairness while adopting their position on Wisconsin.

That you don't have your own benefits does not imply that nurses and bus drivers don't deserve them.   It means you do, yet do not receive them in order for banker-gangsters to loot more cash from those who actually perform labor.  And I guarantee you one thing:  crushing the working class, which is the project afoot here, will not help you GAIN anything.  

Yet you're participating in the attack against them without paying anything other than lip-service to the real criminals, parasites, and thieves.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:06 | 1039418 PD Quig
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Right. The. Fuck. On.

It isn't about the teachers: It's about the backroom deals where public employee unions and politicians on the campaign contribution "take" both negotiate to eachother's benefit at the expense of the poor schlub taxpayer who pays both of their asses and has no way to stop the one-way ratchet upwards for compensation and benefits. Look, I carry no brief for Republicans (they abandoned their small government principles long ago, and it remains to be seen whether they are serious about returning to them), but the Dems are absolutely beyond contempt--and the left-wing hypocrisy about 'civility' has been revealed in spades in the past few weeks. The ironic thing is that if the unions were to get what they want, their jobs and pensions would absolutely go up in smoke when the final reckoning came in a few more years. The public employee unions and Dems are too fucking stupid to understand that a forced diet right now will keep them from suffering a massive financial coronary in a few years (actually, their fiscal arteries are hopelessly clogged already). Dumb fuckers still believe in the money fairy.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:44 | 1039916 downwiththebanks
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Your view is that working-class people in Wisconsin should stop bitching about the "money fairy" IN VIOLATION OF THEIR CONTRACT.  You say they should take sleeping severe cuts to their health care, benefits, and wages.

But banker-gangsters get bailed out at par, collect $50,000,000,000 bonuses while performing not a day of labor in their lives.  

This has nothing to do with solving an economic problem.  It has to do with the same banker-gangsters who have robbed the workers blind redoubling their attack, going after the working class with dupes, agents, and useful idiots.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:52 | 1039687 Michael
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"We in the private sector have been more than generous to the public sector and we get rewarded by their union thugs and self obsessed politicians making trouble for us by trying to bleed us dry in the midst of an economic collapse. They have been spoiled to the point where their minds have been infected with the sickness of greed and like spoiled children with no boundaries they will have to be punished."

And to know these are our employees doing this to us. They truly are children that need to be spanked.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:48 | 1039919 downwiththebanks
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Don't act like businessmen are smart.  THEY CAUSED THE CRISIS.

Compared to the banker-gangsters who DESTROYED the economy, any drooling invalid could do a better job.

The "private sector"!  What a joke.  Does the United States even have one of those, anymore?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:34 | 1038620 masterinchancery
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Thank you, Dr. Goebbels.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:41 | 1038657 Ironmaan
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I guess it depends on what problem you are referring to. I do believe that they are responsible for the fact that our students are borderline retard when compared to the rest of the world. So, I wouldn't consider teachers greedy, just incompetant and undeserving of their salaries.

http://guerillatics.com

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:02 | 1039248 antisoshal
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Oddly, Wisconsin HAD the second highest average ACT scores in the country. The bottom few? Oh yeah, states that don't allow collective bargaining for teachers. It kinda makes me laugh how hypocritical the average republican is. Free markets should only be free to supprt what you believe in. You get what you pay for, but only when its not with my money...

Like someone else said, if you REALLY believe that teachers are the cause of the problem, you are unlikely to ever really know or understand the real problem.

I will definately say that middle management and administrators end up getting way overpaid in the current system, but its the teachers that will be punished.

Oh yeah. Wisconsin's pension system is not only solvent but considered well managed and a model for others to follow, so I guess that was the real problem too, and its about time someone took control and showed them whats what.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:16 | 1039282 KinorSensase
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paragraph 1 --> yes.

paragraph 2 --> yes.

paragraph 3 --> yes.

paragraph 4 --> YES (ALL CAPS).

 

  +4.

 

NULLUS MANCIPIUM.  HAUD VINCO.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:26 | 1039466 sun tzu
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Wisconsin's pension system is solvent because the taxpayers had to fund 100% of it while the union goons contributed 0% to their own pension and health insurance. 

How about the Wisconsin legislature passes a law that forces Wisonsin public employees to pay for 100% of the retirement and health insurance of the private sector workers?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:48 | 1039921 downwiththebanks
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How much do banker-gangsters contribute to society in order to earn their $50,000,000,000 BONUSES?

To attack working people while ignoring the crimes of those who created the economic collapse makes you either their agent, a dupe, or just simply an idiot.

So which is it?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:58 | 1039565 SonnySkyy
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"Oddly, Wisconsin HAD the second highest average ACT scores in the country. The bottom few? Oh yeah, states that don't allow collective bargaining for teachers."

A little perspective on that:

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/03/longhorns-17-badgers-1.html

 

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/03/badgering-the-witless.html

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:28 | 1039640 malalingua
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Gadzooks!  You're plugging those cheesy standardized tests as a measure of student understanding.  Bucky Badger would be horrified.  Whatever happened to Latin, Greek and Mathematics?  What a bunch of yokels we are.  Reminds me of Nock's ''general faith in machinery as an effective substitute for thought'' in Theory of Education in The United States.  Why don't we really put a squeeze the state by yanking our kids out of these crummy, God-forsaken schools and hiring private tutors.  Oh yeah.  Don't forget to pay them in silver.  Bye y'all.

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:32 | 1039648 malalingua
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Gadzooks!  You're plugging those cheesy standardized tests as a measure of student understanding.  Bucky Badger would be horrified.  Whatever happened to Latin, Greek and Mathematics?  What a bunch of yokels we are.  Reminds me of Nock's ''general faith in machinery as an effective substitute for thought'' in Theory of Education in The United States.  Why don't we really put a squeeze on the state by yanking our kids out of these crummy, God-forsaken schools and hiring private tutors.  Oh yeah.  Don't forget to pay them in silver.  Bye y'all.

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:33 | 1039652 malalingua
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Gadzooks!  You're plugging those cheesy standardized tests as a measure of student understanding.  Bucky Badger would be horrified.  Whatever happened to Latin, Greek and Mathematics?  What a bunch of yokels we are.  Reminds me of Nock's ''general faith in machinery as an effective substitute for thought'' in Theory of Education in The United States.  Why don't we really put a squeeze on the state by yanking our kids out of these crummy, God-forsaken schools and hiring private tutors.  Oh yeah.  Don't forget to pay them in silver.  Bye y'all.

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:33 | 1039653 malalingua
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Gadzooks!  You're plugging those cheesy standardized tests as a measure of student understanding.  Bucky Badger would be horrified.  Whatever happened to Latin, Greek and Mathematics?  What a bunch of yokels we are.  Reminds me of Nock's ''general faith in machinery as an effective substitute for thought'' in Theory of Education in The United States.  Why don't we really put a squeeze on the state by yanking our kids out of these crummy, God-forsaken schools and hiring private tutors.  Oh yeah.  Don't forget to pay them in silver.  Bye y'all.

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:51 | 1039549 Hacksaw
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If your kids are retards, ironhead, I'd suggest you look in the mirror there Adolf.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 20:14 | 1038763 ZakuKommander
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Oh, it's just not greedy teachers, it's greedy policemen, firemen, nurses, and janitors who've been marching against Walker and the WI Republicans, while (a) agreeing to accede to major economic concessions, but (b) seeking to preserve their collective bargaining rights.  I know, I know, those intimidating "bosses" of the nursing and teacher's unions have led the country to a plight that can only be remedied by the Republicans and their well-meaning rich controllers, who have only the Country's best interests at heart.  

NJ's Republican Christie had the right idea: leave collective bargaining in place, but bargain fiercely.  

There's a whole lotta fools on this site that talk big about standing tough against the financiers and big  government, but play right into the hands of . . .  the financiers and big government by taking their side against regular people.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 20:36 | 1038821 ZakuKommander
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And people bitch about teachers, nurses, firemen, policemen and janitors when a week or so of continuing the pointless quagmire of Afghanistan wastes more money than Walker and his other Republican Governor buddies are "worrying" about.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:03 | 1038905 razorthin
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That's an understatement.  And I can't believe some coxxukker had the nads to junk you.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:30 | 1039012 LowProfile
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So "public servants" making 50% more than they could in the private sector on the back of the taxpayer is OK, but military spending is not?

I say fuck em all, and while were at it... You too!

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:43 | 1039051 ZakuKommander
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Spelling, LP, spelling.  And analysis seems not to be your long point: military spending to defend the nation is not the same as wasting billions in an unwinnable war that simply perpetuates terror and wastes American lives and money.

Now we know why you're against teachers.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:01 | 1039104 Ironmaan
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So you think teachers are doing a good job? By what measure? I don't disagree with the point that Afghanistan is a waste of money, but that has nothing to do with teachers not doing their job and the unions holding taxpayers hostage. 

http://guerillatics.com 

 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:32 | 1039177 Dburn
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We can thank much of this to parents and their absolute need to have their kid not have his or her self-esteem ruined. Remember kick-ball? No losers now. No teachers and school boards are regularly sued for grades that are too low. It's like walking a minefield. So they teach to the lowest common denominator. The people with means sail through to the ivy league school of their choice and start the indoctrination process of why fascism is the best route for the country. Meanwhile the rest graduate with high school diplomas and some go on to colleges which really doesn't mean much now. Blaming it on the teacher's inability to teach is a hoot considering if they did get the best teachers in who had no problem giving out Bs and Cs to the wealthy folk's little darlings, they would be sued out of existence.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:02 | 1039574 Hacksaw
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Here's the mission statement of the site ironhead constantly advertises. You may want to notice there isn't one word about the, hated as much as the unions, TBTF bankers/corporatist.

 

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Guerillatics is a conservative blog. If you are: on welfare, unemployment, sucking off the teat of government in anyway, a socialist, a democrat or republican, male or female this blog is here to inform you that you are entitled to nothing and that need is not a claim.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:50 | 1039924 downwiththebanks
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Do you think the teachers deserve to be the target of your fire while you ignore the parasites who do nothing but steal?

Why go after workers, when the social parasites stealing billions and billions and billions of dollars get a free pass?

Are they paying you?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:31 | 1039159 Michael
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Public government employees were 20% of the middle class 30 years ago. 80% of the middle class worked in the private sector back then.

Today, 65% of public union government employees are middle class and only 35% of the middle class are private sector employees. There's a hell of a lot more poor and unemployed today too because of you government employees, passing all the crazy trade laws. Only 12% of all workers are government union employees.

Government employees are natural blood sucking leaches and parasites. They only look out for themselves. This is their natural state, and you see what they did to the private sector over the past 30 years. Yes, we let you get away with it, till we could take no more of your blood sucking ways.

You are largely responsible for making us all lose in this life, because you voted for whom your union bosses told you to vote for. Who does your union boss work for? The top people in government. Who do the top people in government work for? The Federal Reserve Corporation.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:54 | 1039228 darkaeye
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SOOO true!!

It's actually astounding to look at the number of serious problems facing the USA and realize how many are directly caused by the Fed.   GOTTA dump the Fed before it wipes us all out.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:14 | 1039276 ZakuKommander
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Let's see you go up to policemen and firemen and tell them they're blood sucking leeches (spelling, Michael) and parasites, tough guy!

LOL!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:19 | 1039450 Michael
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That goddamn spell checker of mine. Arggg.

The one thing I noticed the MSM avoided completely throughout this whole discussion, they deliberately left out talking about actual property taxes homeowners pay each year. I mean, they seem to love doing human interest stories but they never interviewed an actual homeowner whose not a government employee, or maybe they could talk to an unemployed machinist, or a Wall Mart worker, or the man who repairs your appliances.

See what those peoples tax bills are in the middle class neighborhoods. See how much those families are paying in school taxes.

I'll give you an example; When I was a machinist living up north, I owned an 1100 sf rancher in Bristol Township, PA Bucks County 6 years ago. When I bought the house in 95 my school tax portion was $2,000. It went up every year I lived there $100+ a year. When I sold it and moved to Florida in 2004, my school tax bill was $3,200 a year. The taxes never went down the 8 years I lived there even though I got laid off and had no income because I could only collect 6 months unemployment max, I still had to pay the property tax. I sold it and moved the SW Florida in 2004 and now pay $989/yr in a new 2000sf house in a middle class town. But if I still lived up north, my property tax bill today would be $6,000 on that old property. Now what's that all about? I don't even have kids, never did?

A lot of peoples school tax bills are much higher than even mine were up north. Why don't they talk to the people on real neighborhood streets who don't work for the government, talk about the tax bills, and fuck talking about the Kock Brothers.

Am I the only one who has thought about talking about this topic?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:09 | 1039595 Hacksaw
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Fuck those underfunded wannabes. If they can't afford to live in the burbs let them move to the projects. Hell, I don't care let the whining bitchzes live out of the back of their car.

Why should hard working government union workers have to suffer because some cracker wasn't smart enough to live within their means and now is broke. Fuck em.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:21 | 1039627 Michael
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Those people out number you 10 to 1.

And I must note, those other 9 people looking at you are not your best friends.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:36 | 1039777 rich_wicks
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Why should hard working government union workers have to suffer because some cracker wasn't smart enough to live within their means and now is broke. Fuck em.

Because that cracker contributes to the tax base.

The government employee lives off from the tax base.  The only taxes a government employee pays is from money the government worker gets from the tax base.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 04:24 | 1039876 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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You have no idea how stupid you look for saying that.

Here, have a: GFY.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 06:48 | 1039943 rich_wicks
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You have no idea how stupid you look for saying that.

It's very easy to make a blanket statement especially when you can't support it.

If you reduced government worker's pay, and then absolved them from paying taxes of any form would they contribute to the tax base then?  No.

It's pretty easy to see that giving government workers a higher rate of pay, the having them pay some of that money back through taxes doesn't contribute to the tax base.

If you think I look stupid for being able to recognize taking 5 units and giving 1 unit back is the same as taking 4 units and giving 0 back, well, I guess I look stupid.

But seriously, you can't be that stupid to think that if we pay government workers that they support and pay for themselves, even partially.  I don't believe anybody is that stupid.  I believe people can say stupid things though when confronted with an obvious reality that haven't ever bothered to think about though.

Well here's the obvious reality - government workers do not contribute to the tax base, at all and throwing insults at me, or telling me to go screw myself, doesn't change that.

Private sector employees pay for everything that public sector employees have.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:44 | 1039680 Creed
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No Michael, you're not alone.

That's where the rubber meets the road, the effect of these PUBLIC EMPLOYEE PIGS on the rest of America.

You see, they keep raising my taxes on all fronts every year. They never fucking stop. And every year I read about new raises and new benefits being granted to those oh so special public employees. Local city manager? Try 150k plus the usual & customary 50% of salary tacked on in benefits.

I have a kid. Pulled him out of the public school and am now homeschooling him. He's one hell of a lot happier now then he was in that elementary school run by a 100k per year principle (don't forget, that's not total compensation, and it's not for a 12 month year).

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:00 | 1039403 James
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Michael - Not trying to troll you but while it's true only 12% of employees are unions today, 9% are public and 3% are private.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:21 | 1039455 Michael
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It's worse than I thought folks.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:53 | 1039925 downwiththebanks
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HA HA HA!  Blaming working people for the economic failures of Capitalism!

That's a riot.

Whatever you do, don't blame the social parasites who steal directly from the working people, and then collect $50,000,000,000 bonuses for doing so in such an efficient manner.

Don't blame the war machine.  Blame janitors and librarians.

How much are the banker-gangsters paying you to spew this horse-shit?

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:37 | 1039661 Creed
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Spot on LowProfile, spot on.

These guys want to deflect the argument onto "teachers" or "banksters" or "Afghanistan".

More bullshit blowing smoke up peoples asses trying to deflect attention from the problem UNDER DISCUSSION which is:

OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING ON PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 05:56 | 1039927 downwiththebanks
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So the $20,000,000,000,000 printed up and handed to banker-gangsters when they demolished the economy isn't the problem.  Nor are their bonuses or other fraudulent/thieving practices?

Instead, it's greedy janitors.

How much are the banker-gangsters paying you to think so stupidly, anyway?

Or are they paying you to divert attention from their criminality?

Or are you just that dumb?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 03:27 | 1039835 Yen Cross
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I love you! I need your help! Now

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:08 | 1039422 PD Quig
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You do understand the difference between state and federal governments, don't you?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:30 | 1039481 sun tzu
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Maybe that idiot Obongo should have ended the Afghan war while he had control of congress the past two years. Oh, he was too busy bailing out the greedy parasite of Wall Street and the UAW. 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 20:41 | 1038823 robobbob
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you know, just because greedy corrupt banksters are an enemy to the republic, does not make tax payer funded, extortionist public unions its friend.

picture the african plains were a lion and a pack of hyenas are fighting over a tax payers carcass to see who gets to finish picking it clean.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 20:42 | 1038836 Natasha Fatale
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+1

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 20:43 | 1038839 jmc8888
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Besides the fact you believe too much bullshit, merely the fact that BANKSTERS in 1 day STEAL more than the all the public workers in wisconsin make in a decade...means you are WRONG.

So you support fascism, to pay off bankstas, because somehow, unions are extortion(WRONG)?

Wow are you able to walk being such an idiot? With such idiocy, you must be a multi-millionare with titles.  Or you're just another dumbshit fascist.

Glass-Steagall (idiots need to read up on it and THEN decide if they want to needlessly be FASCIST)

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 20:59 | 1038891 robobbob
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you're an idiot.

did you not read what I said? BOTH groups are enemies in individual freedom. the TBTF should have been left to BURN!! TARP was the greatest theft in history. But how the hell does being blackmailed by banks make being blackmailed by unions any less reprehensible?

there is more to destruction than just raw money. there is a corrosion of society

poorly performed services. political biased agendas foisted onto the public. work rules that cripple society and destroy ambition. public officials bankrupting the state to buy special interest votes. You're a tool. The answer to Fascism is not Socialism you numb nuts. They're BOTH big government redistribution schemes with the own sets of elites calling the shots.

Looking out your 1932 Berlin apartment window, it may have been fun to watch the two sides go at it, but in the end you were going to be in for it which ever side won.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:37 | 1039780 rich_wicks
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+ 2

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 06:00 | 1039930 downwiththebanks
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Attacking the working class solves nothing, because the deteriorating conditions under which they suffer does not result from their actions.

The economic crisis we face today stems from the banker-gangsters, and any attempt to divert from that reality - either by you or a lame, fascist governor - is a diversionary tactic that fails to address anything substantial.

You're either a paid agent, a willing dupe of the banker-gangsters, or simply a moron lacking knowledge of economics.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:28 | 1039473 sun tzu
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Once again a left-wing idiot is unable to grasp the fact that a person can oppose both union and banker corruption at the same time. Neither groups are friends of the middle class.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 06:01 | 1039933 downwiththebanks
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One has to prioritize:  either address the cause of the problem, or attack librarians.

You've chosen the latter, making you either an agent of the banker-gangsters, a dupe suckered by agitprop, or simply an idiot that doesn't understand the situation or the stakes.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:16 | 1038932 ZakuKommander
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Robo, why don't you get that teachers, nurses, policemen and firemen are regular people trying to make ends meet for their families?

 

 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:04 | 1039257 Questionmark
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It's better that Walker force a pay cut onto all of them and lets them keep their jobs than having to fire half of them because they retained the right to bargain and chose not to compromise. You talk about this as though we can just continue paying them their excessive salaries. How well do you think all those families would do when those teachers and firemen don't have a job at all?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:16 | 1039613 Hacksaw
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Walker is a politician, you do understand how to tell when a politician is lying right? You look and see if his lips are moving. Walker is lying.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:18 | 1039745 Questionmark
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And planning what exactly? Local leaders tend to be far more trustworthy than DC types. He's done the right thing so far, if the unions won't consent to what's best for the employees and the state then it's his job to force it on to them. That's what being a strong leader is all about.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 06:03 | 1039934 downwiththebanks
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Their jobs aren't threatened, because this crisis is wholly manufactured to trigger an attack on the working people by the agents and lackeys of the banker-gangsters.

Like yourself.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:05 | 1040615 Questionmark
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Are you crazy? Regardless of whose fault it is, the bottom line is that our economy is fucked and changes need to occur if people want to keep their jobs. Whatever, you americans will figure it out soon enough. You either compromise and take a pay cut or you lose your job entirely and fall into the rapidly growing underclass. 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:05 | 1040616 Questionmark
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double post

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:14 | 1038933 ZakuKommander
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Teachers, nurses, policemen, firemen are taxpayers. 

Cripes, you're simply a douche if you consider any of the foregoing "enemies of the Republic."  Although your spelling and grammatical errors suggest that you're not a friend of teachers.

 

 

 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:33 | 1039019 LowProfile
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Yeah, they pay taxes...  With salaries paid for by taxpayers!!!

Outsource the lot, fuck em!

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:47 | 1039211 Mr. Denny Kneel
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I fervently pray for Walker to get a debilitating disease, and I shall include you on my list too. Think god won't do it? Ask Job.

By the way, why do we say steve jobs (jawhbs) instead of jobs (johns)?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:33 | 1039486 sun tzu
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May you and your family get what you pray unto others

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:55 | 1039231 kornholio
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no, fuck you

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:16 | 1039287 ZakuKommander
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You own a house with a mortgage?  Hope you aren't taking a deduction, or you're living off the public teat like the policemen and firemen whom you're so eager to "fuck 'em"

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:32 | 1039328 cxl9
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Taking a tax deduction is not living off of anyone. It's merely receiving a discount in the amount of money which is being stolen from you. With that said, I would support the concept of a tax system with no deductions for anything, ever.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:34 | 1039491 sun tzu
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According to the demented left-wing union goons, keeping your own money that you worked for is now "welfare"

YOU LOST. GET TO THE BACK OF THE BUS, BITCHEZ

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 06:05 | 1039935 downwiththebanks
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You should stop using public roads - damned freeloader.

You need to be outsourced.  Actually, why don't you just kill yourself and saving me the burden of my tax dollars paying to repair things you break.

Road damaging asshole.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:11 | 1039130 Raynja
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Ya they are tax payers just like the treasury is a debtor to the fed.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:40 | 1039195 robobbob
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you are confusing individual workers with the bureaucratic parasites that feed off of the public.

The hierarchy of the unions are no different than any other entrenched special interest group fighting for their piece of the pie. When threatened, the line workers are the first to be thrown under the bus so the union can get their "but what about children" video clip, but yet, the endless layers of appointees, managers, and paid trouble makers remain untouched. If  private sector employees want to unionize, that's their businesss, but these are public sector. They are supposed to be our employees. But along the way they have taken over the political system in many areas, and are now a threat.

Most of the teeth gnashing is over political contributions and power. It has little to do with the workers or the services that they are supposed to be providing.

The country is in the state its in because the current system in unsound. Fundamental change must be made, or things will continue in the same direction they have been going, down. If the people of WI want to try something different, let them.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:20 | 1039620 Hacksaw
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Except for one thing, the union leadership can be voted out. The Koch brothers can't.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 06:06 | 1039938 downwiththebanks
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Wisconsin isn't "unsound".  This is a confected crisis by your allies - the banker-gangsters who provoked the economic meltdown.

To suggest that the unions have taken over a political system that auctions itself to the banker-gangsters is the height of stupidity and ignorance.

How much are the banker-gangsters paying you?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:29 | 1039475 PD Quig
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"Teachers, nurses, policemen, firemen are taxpayers."

GONG-GONG-GONG! You've hit the limit of the number of stupid things that can be said on one thread.

Public employees DO NOT PAY TAXES. They are paid FROM taxes. The fact that they give a small part of the taxes back during the year is inconsequential. 100% of their compensation comes from their fellow citizens' pay checks. Their entire salary is, in essence, a large negative income tax.

We don't need to be against teachers, nurses, policemen, or firemen to be against the public union-politician axis of corruption. And why do so many here want to frame this debate as a choice between being against corrupt public employee unions or being against corrupt banksters? What's so damned tricky about opposing both? And why do so many still trot out the tired old liberal shibboleths about Republicans being the party of the banking cartel? Anyone who hasn't figured out by now that the oligarchy has bought and paid for both parties is a testament to the ignorance that has allowed the problem to go uncorrected.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:26 | 1039636 Hacksaw
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Well, the liberals don't have to push it anymore, you all proved that old saw beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:40 | 1039783 rich_wicks
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Teachers, nurses, policemen, firemen are taxpayers.

Not if they get all their money from other taxpayers.

Government employess are not taxpayers.

Getting money from the government, then giving some of that money back to the government, doesn't increase increase overall tax revenue.  How can anybody not realize that government employees don't add to the tax base, they only take from it?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:28 | 1039005 you enjoy myself
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collective is still in place...for wages.  what Walker wanted to get rid of is the pension time bombs that elected officials love - promises for outrageous retirement pay twenty years later in exchange for your votes now.  and the bill conveniently comes due once the elected official is safely gone from office.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:37 | 1039029 Michael
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The problem is Control Freakism. To many government employees suffer from this condition.

Here is the answer to that;

Sen. Rand Paul on Consumer Choice in Energy Committee Hearing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ELDHaeEsNF0 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:20 | 1039296 agNau
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Why didn't they just deem it passed, so we could find out what was in it! The real shame here is all the energy wasted fighting the wrong people, at the wrong place, with a mindless army. The army led by the offenders Minions. The problem I see is the reeducation needed to turn this mindless force in the correct direction. Imagine the entire population seeing at once the reality of those controlling forces that have slowly placed them in this circumstance. Just imagine those uneducated teachers finally having that light bulb blink, and going out to their nearest coin shop to pick up oz's! Nah, won't be any left when that finally happens.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:35 | 1039502 sun tzu
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As Nancy Pelosi said, they have to pass the bill to find out what's in it. The dems didn't complain back then. Why complain now?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 00:29 | 1039472 StychoKiller
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"Public" Employees:
http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/12/class-war

The rabbit hole is deeper than you think it is...

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 20:34 | 1038817 leftcoastfool
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Union Troll!  Your public union teachers obviously failed to teach you anything about democracy, economics, or even simple arithmetic if you think the current system is just or sustainable.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 20:43 | 1038842 BadMoonRising
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 This is simply the private sector and their measley 401k programs along with their social security benefits being moved to age 69 fighting the public sector that by default gets a handsome retirement package GURANTEED... until now.. all hell is going to break out fellows. On another note, this event is more about the states being able to sell bonds of grade AAA to the private elite bond purchasers so that the state governments can keep their jobs.

 The irony of it all is that the states debt added together is less than 500 billion, why not bail them out. I mean 5 banks got multiple trillions. This is simple class warfare gentelmen, and America is about to open a can of *&^% on the elite.. hide and watch.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 20:47 | 1038854 sun tzu
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The teachers are the problem when there are 300,000 of them and their families leeching off the rest of the workers. 

Why were the Dem senators hiding in Illinois for the past 3 weeks if there was no advance notice of the voting? What were they hiding from?

If you really believe that public employee pay and benefits have absolutely no impact on the state budget, then you are beyond stupid.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:29 | 1039314 Nostradumbass
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Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:28 | 1039009 Greyzone
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So you had a public education and are innumerate, eh? Figures. Go do the math on the pensions and other benefits, not the yearly salaries, doofus. And if you can't do the math, you can thank your public school teacher for that disability.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:35 | 1039025 voltaic
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The average annual compensation for a Milwaukee Public Schools teacher would exceed $100,000 in 2011. As of July 1, 2011, according to the school district, that figure will be $101,091.

http://politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/mar/04/maciver-institute/maciver-institute-says-average-annual-salary-and-b/

It's difficult to feel too much of their pain if 100k a year isn't fair. After 25 years at 55 years old, many are eligible for 70% of thier pay (and bennies) for the rest of thier lives. Work 25 retire for 30-40 years at 70%. That's not so tough to take, is it?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:30 | 1039171 unununium
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Anything taken from these hard-working people, you will not get.  It will go to the same places as all of your other tax money.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:31 | 1039650 Hacksaw
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Well, why don't you have one of those real good deals?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:49 | 1039062 siliconvalleyboy
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Totally agree with your comments. This has nothing to do with balancing the budget. walker gave corporations $140M in tax breaks already. $140M @ $100K/Person could results in 1400 hires, which is more than those guys will hire. mark it.

He also wants to have complete authority to "sell" public facilities to private parties and without competitive bidding. Breathtaking that he can actually do this in public. This is worse than what happens in Africa, Russia, S. America, India AND its in the law.

The amount of people who have tagged your response as junk is an indication of the belief's of people who are reading this article. They are so disconnected from the reality that zerohedge is trying to bring out to the public.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:17 | 1039139 Raynja
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You are aware a republican majority and governor were elected in wisconsin for the first time in a long while BY A MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS, and a minority of elected officials then tried to hijack the whole thing?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:32 | 1039331 Nostradumbass
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"BY A MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS,"

Prove this.

How many citizens are there?

How many voted?

How many for each candidate/party?

Now, realize that MOST citizens have given up the fools game of voting for enslavers of ANY name!!!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:03 | 1039716 Raynja
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So your whole argument is the whole problem. If citizens turned the tv off, talked and thought about real shit, and got informed, we wouldn't have these problems, plus they'd vote because they had a thought out opinion. So you pointing out that people that are getting pissed cause they got conned out of their vote and don't like how it turned out doesn't make me feel any better. (Plus they`re union rep said out be ok as long as you paid them their dues)

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 21:48 | 1039063 siliconvalleyboy
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Totally agree with your comments. This has nothing to do with balancing the budget. walker gave corporations $140M in tax breaks already. $140M @ $100K/Person could results in 1400 hires, which is more than those guys will hire. mark it.

He also wants to have complete authority to "sell" public facilities to private parties and without competitive bidding. Breathtaking that he can actually do this in public. This is worse than what happens in Africa, Russia, S. America, India AND its in the law.

The amount of people who have tagged your response as junk is an indication of the belief's of people who are reading this article. They are so disconnected from the reality that zerohedge is trying to bring out to the public.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:11 | 1039127 NOTW777
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thats some powerful koolaid

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 23:46 | 1039372 James
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Lawful notice was in fact given.

I'll grant you it was'nt alot of time,but it was given.

Can't we ALL just stick to the facts?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:53 | 1039801 geekgrrl
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From what I understand, the time for legal notice for the Wisconsin Legislature is 24 hours.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 01:31 | 1039646 Freddie
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Sorry dickweed.  Taxpayers are tired of paying for Mercedes Benz benefits and pay for teachers when over half of the 8th graders cannot read in Wisconsin.  Also most govt workers are not needed.  Privatize most of it.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 02:45 | 1039791 geekgrrl
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I couldn't agree with you more, especially regarding the point about teachers not being greedy.

From the number of junks your post received, I'd say the troll concentration is running high on this thread. Good money is being spent, right here, right now, to convince folks that busting the unions is somehow a good thing. Folks need to learn counter-psyops if they are to make any sense of the stuff in the comments here, or for that matter, anywhere on the web where "opinions are formed."

Re: all the complaining about unions in so many posts: what really needs to be taken into account is that the distrubution of wealth in this country is so wildly out of line compared to other developed nations, that in a very real sense, we are already living in a third-world country. It's an L-curve, and I think it's quite safe to say that if you're reading this, you are in the income group that is represented by the bottom part of the L.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woIkIph5xcU

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 18:56 | 1038404 Mark McGoldrick
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So here we have a headline about union busting, heroic GOP actions and death threats to politicians....

That's enough Libertarian catnip to force all the ZeroHedge doomer goons to clasp their computer screens, roll around on the carpet, and scratch it with their "hind" legs.  

Libertarians:  "We hate everyone, including - amazingly - the middle class!"*

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*with exception to current NRA members 

 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 18:57 | 1038435 SWRichmond
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Libertarians:  We hate everyone, including - amazingly - the middle class!

Actually, we only hate those who beluieve they have the right to point a government gun at us to get what they want...from us.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 18:57 | 1038446 docj
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Well said - but not, heh, well spelled!

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 18:59 | 1038452 dick cheneys ghost
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Protests gone wild..............now in michigan

 

http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:02 | 1038463 SWRichmond
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went outside to get my trash cans in...came back and couldn't fix it.  Note the promximity of i and u on your keyboard.  My son gives me shit about my "keyboarding" skills all the time.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:25 | 1038553 DaveyJones
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my daughter gives me shit about all sorts of skills

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 22:54 | 1039229 docj
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No worries, SWR.  Just trying a little much needed levity while the unionistas' spittle was flying.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:10 | 1038496 gmrpeabody
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+++

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 19:16 | 1038509 Mark McGoldrick
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Actually, we only hate those who beluieve they have the right to point a government gun at us to get what they want...from us.

Well then, you must resent the entire US military because they do this every day to people around the world, and those hapless souls didn't even get a chance to vote on the matter.

So can I add the entire military complex to the list of people libertarians resent?  We've got the entire spectrum of society: the plutocrats, the laborers, the poor, immigrants, the military and I suppose it is safe to assume that non-christians don't rank high on your list, either.  Is there any group of people in the world, other than those like yourself, that you don't have a problem with?  

What other groups do you resent that I'm missing?

 

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