Is A 90 Day "Mortgage Meltdown" Foreclosure Moratorium Imminent As The RoboSigning Scandal Goes Mainstream?

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Mon, 10/04/2010 - 21:02 | 624784 Nolsgrad
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Mon, 10/04/2010 - 21:11 | 624799 Everyman
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must...visualize..... leg......moving..

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 21:13 | 624805 Nolsgrad
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big doodoo coming.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 21:39 | 624855 Kali
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Big doodoo hitting the fan.  The pervasive fraud is about to invade the sensibilities of J6P.  The sharks are starting to attack each other, the feeding frenzy is beginning. 

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 22:22 | 624927 SWRichmond
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the feeding frenzy is beginning.

Do you know what's really fun, and frustrating at the same time?  Having stayed current by staying on ZH frequently, and (a little...) elsewhere, watching the masses finally freaking catch a clue.  I already have the positions I want, and I have already adjusted to them emotionally, and I know what my exit strategies are, and I know the signs I'm looking for, and I have enough discipline to hold what I have.  I know what to expect, I know how I will react emotionally to events, and I am prepared for it.  I've been studying this situation so long and so closely that it's damned humerous watching morons argue about it, knowing they don't fully understand, and even more than that, knowing their knowledge hasn't "matured" to the point they can confidently act on it yet and steel themselves for the turmoil ahead. 

In other words: got popcorn?

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 22:29 | 624946 Kali
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Popcorn and butter!  It is thrilling in a way to see the events unfold.  Yes, thanks to ZH and others, I am mentally and physically prepared the best I am able.  But, while fun to see the show, scary at the same time.  I am just glad I am older, have had a hell of a life.  I really feel sorry for young people today.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 22:37 | 624961 JLee2027
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Tue, 10/05/2010 - 00:22 | 625100 FEDbuster
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Lawyers will be battling gold dealers for commercial spots on cable TV.  "Foreclosed on in the past ten years, call 1-888-GET-EVEN".  Let the games begin!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 02:42 | 625251 Lord and Master
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I have a 150 IQ, I went to harvard, and the following are my thoughts on housing in America.  To my mind, most of the issue of the housing market rests upon the issue of crime.  Clearly when the dollar declines dramatically, or collapses, dollars will be dumped as part and parcel of that.  But when the dollars are dumped, where will they go?  They have to come back to America and buy something.  When Swedish krona are dumped, they eventually end up purchasing something made in Sweden by the Swedes, or otherwise native to Sweden.  Similarly for the dollar; during terminal decline currencies go home to roost (in some form or another).  Well what does America have, that is of value? 

Well historically speaking, a good answer might be people.  Though I dont entirely rule it out, it seems unlikely at this stage of history that global and also domestic reserves of dollars will be used to purchase Americans themselves.  There are two arguments in support however. 

The first is the notion that Americans as a whole have not definitively shown that they can en masse adjust to life working as (essentially) skilled peons in non-service sector jobs (for example).  This is an oft-overlooked fact-- i.e. that Americans at this stage in history are by nature and by constitution ( i mean their body/mind constitution) unemployable in a modern economy, except as slaves.  By slaves I mean effective chattel, property used to do largely manual labor-- as opposed to, for example, skilled factory labor.  I think they would see the former as invigorating, while the latter their minds and bodies would find intolerably boring.  And after all, as scientists would tell us, and in spite of the wear and tear, invigorating manual labor may very well be more healthy than sitting 12 hours a day at a sewing machine, as is the wont of 10s of millions in asia.  Of course many commentators will say that America has to restructure its economy, i.e. retool, and build up its manufacturing base again to the degree it can.  On paper this sounds pretty cool-- my only question would be, “Who would the factory laborers be?”  Surely not the Americans in my state.  The trend in America for 70 years has been towards greater profligacy in mind and body.  The mind can in theory adjust, and adapt where it needs to.  The body is another story; there a much deeper reversal is needed, obviously.  Seamstresses and coal miners we are no longer (for better or worse). (Incidentally, and in a similar vein, when some suggest the downturn here will be so dramatic that it will rival the Great Depression, and that there will be bread lines, I have to sharply dissent.  While I readily admit the former, re. the latter, I would sooner see a somewhat orderly line or gathering descend into a tumult within 15 minutes or so, followed eventually by screeching tires and flying bullets as a couple of SUVs drive up, a few men jump out and shoot or threaten the bakers, as it were, and take off with the whole supply all within 30 seconds.   The point being --  aint no muddafuckin Americans I know gonna be standin in no damn BREAD LINE!!  SHIITT! )  

The second argument in support of global reserves driving up the market for warm bodies in America relates to accounting efficiency, and maybe karma.  A large percentage of Americans (and Europeans) already have body markings which are not familial/tribal in origin.   Throughout history, which class of people have overwhelming bore bodily marks/brandings of non-familial origin?—slaves, of course.  In addition, many Americans already bear various Asian, and in particular Chinese, characters on various parts of their bodies, and so this might provide for greater market efficiencies.

Anyway, my point about housing was going to be—the world is overloaded with USD of decreasing value, and the US is overloaded with millions of badass luxury houses.  The irony is as clear as the solution is elegant and obvious.  But it remains a sort of tantalizingly resolution of the dilemma, that will presumably not come to pass, because in between then and now would likely lie abysmal levels of crime, and of course a geopolitical abyss.  The crime stats have , I know, not shown it yet… as goes the currency, so goes the crime level.  We are still in that gently Weimarian Deflationary trend in crime—and then, as the historians’ say-- the Witches’ Sabbath, where Americans find themselves stooping to pick up ANY work….  a Fellationary-- er-- Inflationary depression



………………    ………..        ……………….AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 03:45 | 625264 i-dog
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Very perceptive piece (especially coming from a self-important gloater!).

It ain't gonna be pretty when all the lard-asses are herded to the cotton plantation (or debtors' prison -- choose wisely!).

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 04:31 | 625286 Lord and Master
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haha thanks :)  yeah its gonna be insane

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:10 | 626131 WaterWings
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There will be a "tramp stamp" section in the FEMA camps where the Lords and Masters will visit at their leisure.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 17:33 | 627383 Lord and Master
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hmmm... maybe "state" instead of "section"...

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 18:07 | 627472 Geoff-UK
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If you went to Harvard, did you miss the semester-long course on capitalization of your alma mater?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 03:42 | 625269 Popo
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"I have a 150 IQ, I went to harvard, and the following are my thoughts on housing in America."


That's where I stopped reading.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 04:12 | 625277 RabidLemming
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Tue, 10/05/2010 - 04:28 | 625283 Lord and Master
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Right.  It's a reflexively-designed function whereby 'certain' readers self opt-out.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 07:07 | 625359 ColonelCooper
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My IQ is around a buck seven and I went to high school.  Yet somehow I am still perceptive enough to see that you are a douchebag.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:18 | 625750 MachoMan
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Inherently, I fail to see the ability of the dollar to come home to roost and purchase american goods and services when WE REJECT THE DOLLAR TOO.  You want to know what you can buy with dollars?  Ask China...  treasuries, treasuries, and more treasuries...  and with every treasury, we'll throw in an mbs or two.  These will ultimately be claims to see a disgruntled american flip you the bird...  no more.

PS, 107 IQ?  C'mon man...  aside from IQ not measuring dick.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:52 | 625856 Lord and Master
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Dollar like a hot wife turned oinker here... The world rejects the dollar more.  We reject the dollar too, but our laws currently require and enforce its acceptance as legal tender for 'all debts public and private.'  So grab the wife/kids, keys to your house and maybe a used car and washing machine/dryer or two and get ready for the...

tidal wave, bitchez.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:00 | 626313 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

i actually like you and didn 't junk you. you had me @ 150 IQ. my mom told me a had a high IQ but i am sure she was lying, just to boost my self confidence.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 16:13 | 627108 Lord and Master
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thanks kathy... yeah she probably was, but whatever, youre really positive and seem like youd be totally cool to hang out with ;)

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 16:17 | 627139 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

voyeurism is the sexual interest in or practice of spying on people engaged in intimate behaviors, such as undressing, sexual activity, or other activity usually considered to be of a private nature.

are you familiar with this term? how exactly does one hang out?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 18:07 | 627475 Geoff-UK
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<salutes the Colonel>


Tue, 10/05/2010 - 07:10 | 625364 reading
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I am going to opt-in here just to junk you -- your comments may be interesting however egotistical delivery is of no value.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 08:05 | 625410 Clark_Griswold ...
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I'm a European living in the US; have so for over 30 years.

Having experienced life on both sides of the pond, lived in both cultures and have a good understanding of the social/backbone mindset of both worlds I can honestly say with full heart, Mr. Harvard IQ

    Never, Ever, EVER Underestimate Americans.

   True they sometimes get lulled to sleep; but beware when they wake up.



Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:25 | 626412 ZeroPower
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I can kinda in EU now for the forseeable future, and slowly but surely im realizing how much (North) America is a big 'win' compared to anywhere in Europe.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 08:30 | 625453 Bob
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The Lord and Master character has been starting his posts with these words for a while now and no community efforts, whether nice or nasty, have swayed him from doing so.  While he makes some interesting points, including above, at this point--in this vitally important thread, from near its beginning--it is clear that he is a MAJOR distraction who derails discussion of the actual matters at hand. 

As a guy who claims to be a genius, he would seem to be doing so deliberately (hell, a sub-normal IQ guy who is a HS dropout would know better.)  This is an especially malignant troll. 

I would suggest that we would be better off ignoring him. 

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 09:35 | 625548 i-dog
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Read some of his previous posts, Bob. As a matter of fact, I've just been looking at a few to see where he is coming from ... he is no troll. In fact, he is one of the sharper tacks in the carpet here ... and this carpet has some pretty sharp tacks in it!

Don't let your fellow slaves turn you into a meek and mild-mannered reporter. There is nothing wrong with pride or arrogance ... ask my friends (both of them). :)

The meek will not inherit the earth -- they will only inherit the leftovers.

However, on the interpersonal skills scale, you are way ahead of him.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:00 | 625692 Bob
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I and others have tried to reason with him.  There's no reason to start his posts in a manner that derails debate, whether intentionally or not.  Sorry, but look what actually happens. 

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:23 | 625749 i-dog
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Quite frankly, Bob, I take everyone on the merits of their arguments and reasoning -- rather than on how clever their avatar/handle is, or how well they spell, or how gracious they are. I guess I have lived in too many countries -- and speak too many languages [badly] -- to care much about grammatical errors or social differences. Save all that for cocktail parties ... this is Fight Club!

He is no more grating (to me) than "Gold, bitchez", "It's Bush's fault", "The Republicans will save us", Geopol's incoherent ramblings, or half of the dim-witted and "levelling" responses to this particular post. Indeed, his self-aggrandizing opening means that he has to put up better arguments than normal just to avoid being shot down in flames ... and he usually does.

I'm sure he can defend himself ... in his own inimitable style. I'm just trying to make a few points about how I feel about socialist "levelling" and ad hominem responses to well-reasoned posts, no matter how they are phrased.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:27 | 626422 MayIMommaDogFac...
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self opt-out

150 IQ

LMAO.  Sure.


Tue, 10/05/2010 - 05:02 | 625297 Ethics Gradient
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I went to Cambridge. I had a lovely day.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 08:29 | 625459 Shakey
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Good choice!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 08:58 | 625512 apberusdisvet
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The fact that anyone went to Harvard and has a 150 IQ actually is a negative these days.  Too many of these idiots have totally fucked up our country.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 09:05 | 625543 snowball777
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That's where I stopped reading.

I stopped at "Lord".


Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:00 | 625901 Lord Welligton
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I stopped at Master

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:28 | 626423 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:26 | 625998 Hephasteus
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He starts every post with that.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 04:31 | 625287 Papa Boule
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Seems like if your IQ is that high and you're so well schooled you'd know us lower-IQ, lesser-schooled dumbasses ain't never gonna read that much text.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 07:06 | 625356 geoffb
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News flash: There are bread lines forming in a Wal-mart near you. You need to spend a lot more time reading the articles here before you stick your foot in your mouth. Whoops too late.



Tue, 10/05/2010 - 07:50 | 625392 Ying-Yang
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Here's how these dudes rank:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) 132 Harry Truman (D) 122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) 174 John F. Kennedy (D) 126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D) 155 Richard M. Nixon (R) 121 Gerald Ford (R) 175 James E. Carter (D) 105 Ronald Reagan (R) 099 George HW Bush (R) 182 William J. Clinton (D) 091 George W. Bush (R)

and what else?

President George W. Bush is the very first President to hold a Masters Degree in Business Administration. Even better (or worse, depending on your perspective), his MBA is from Harvard Business School.

Wonder if you to can compare notes.....

Don't lead with your credentials.. let your content speak to that... just sayin.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:23 | 626399 Fish Gone Bad
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A common failing of truly smart people is to think that since they passed a test showing how smart they are, that they are smart about EVERYTHING.  This is exactly why intellectuals are not smart enough to get elected.

Successful gifted and talented individuals will generally let people know that while they do know a great deal, they do not know everything.  Having once suffered from the "I'm the smarted person in the room complex" myself (when I was a teenager), I have moved on to trying to actually understand and solve issues. 

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 17:24 | 627340 Lord and Master
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Wait wait wait, time out, Im taking notes here...  you say "common failing... truly smart people" and then "not smart enough" and then-- wait wait im lost.... what is smart?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 08:56 | 625507 Absinthe Minded
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Toot toot.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 09:35 | 625625 aerojet
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Interesting way to  begin a post on ZH--"I'm smart, so I'm right."


The thing is, a lot of smart people, including Ben Bernanke, are crashing and burning this time.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:04 | 626116 RockyRacoon
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I have an unmeasured IQ and have only seen pictures of Harvard, or any other college for that matter.  So, my meager intellect is obviously inadequate to debate, or even comment on, your exposition of the problem or its solution.  I do, however, know how to curb the excess use of parentheses by constructing sentences with adequate and proper clause construction, and punctuation.  My guess would be that your junking would have been somewhat less brutal had you omitted the first sentence.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:09 | 626341 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

i suspect your holding back your personal information for privacy reasons.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:25 | 626414 Fish Gone Bad
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Tue, 10/05/2010 - 16:59 | 627263 Lord and Master
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Thought itself is an efflorescence of parentheses, so homo sapiens, to the degree that they are allowed to exist and allowed to better themselves in the future, might want to consider greater use of them.  The same would go for the ellipsis (three dots) possibly ... i.e. as part of a more true and more 'human(e)' real-time recording and transmission of thought. 

I hear you on the junking-- and truth be told, I was going to add in to my first line the phrase "you can't eat gold," but saw the market going against me earlier and thought better of it.  I also didnt want G. Lira's comment total to be challenged by something so silly.  That said, I would just note that if a god walked the earth, he might not be able to get out of bed, if he didnt think he would be subject to enormous censure and ridicule the moment he left his door (or passed through his hovel's doorway/aperture).

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