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Everything We're Doing Now Was Planned BEFORE 9/11
We've been told that 9/11 changed everything.
Is it true?
Let's look at the facts:
- The decision to launch the Iraq war was made before 9/11. Indeed, former CIA director George Tenet said that the White House wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, and inserted "crap" in its justifications for invading Iraq. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill - who sat on the National Security Council - also says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. Top British officials say that the U.S. discussed Iraq regime change even before Bush took office. And in 2000, Cheney said a Bush administration might "have to take military action to forcibly remove Saddam from power.''
- Cheney apparently even made Iraqi's oil fields a national security priority before 9/11. And the Sunday Herald reported: "Five months before September 11, the US advocated using force against Iraq ... to secure control of its oil." (remember that Alan Greenspan, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer and others all say that the Iraq war was really about oil.)
- The Patriot Act was planned before 9/11. Indeed, former Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke told Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig:
After 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed. The
Patriot Act is huge and I remember someone asking a Justice
Department official how did they write such a large statute so
quickly, and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out.(4:30 into this video).
- Cheney dreamed of giving the White House the powers of a monarch long before 9/11
- Cheney
and Rumsfeld actively generated fake intelligence which exaggerated
the threat from an enemy in order to justify huge amounts of military
spending long before 9/11. And see this
- The government's spying on Americans began before 9/11 (confirmed here and here. And see this)
- The decision to threaten to bomb Iran was made before 9/11
- It was known long before 9/11 that torture doesn't work to produce accurate intelligence ... but is an effective way to terrorize people
9/11 didn't change anything. It was simply an excuse to implement existing plans.
Bonus for ZH readers: U.S. government officials admit that America carried out false flag terror before 9/11.
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What's even more not nice is you dismissing valid inquiries into the murders of thousands of ordinary people. Some of us buy the official cover story (that would be you) and some of us want the truth (that would be most of the posters here).
Now if you can answer any of the questions asked of you, backed up with math/physics, well then state it.
But if you can't then don't be such a cry-baby and save your defense of official cover stories for those who believe everything out of officialdom, that's what the msm is for.
save your defense of official cover stories for those who believe everything out of officialdom
Well said - fleur
It certainly isn't
"and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out."
never waste a crisis.........real or manufactured
I think Bush Sr is much more than a puppet. He's been an insider for decades.
No way! It's not like he ran the CIA or anything.
True dat -- senior is a player, although I think the writer was referring to the post turtle.
and p.s. his moneymaker carlyle group is going public which seems to me a sign that the rally since march '09 may be reversing.
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http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/05/24/carlyle-group-by-the-numbers/
http://tinyurl.com/65jtowb google video on carlyle.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Carlyle_Group
http://sbj.net/main.asp?ArticleID=80468&SectionID=48&SubSectionID=108&S=1 (falcon bridge owns what type of debt?)
http://www.carlyle.com/Media%20Room/Annual%20Report%20Files/2010%20Annua...
ZH does itself no favors by continuing to allow the tinfoil kook crowd to post this bullshit ad nauseum. go fingerfuck riamondo, and that retard who ran fromthewilderness and quit eating up bandwidth
Your avatar fits well with your ignorance. You are about 20 clicks of the mouse away from truth, but that will never compete with a thirty pack and the remote glued to your hand will it? Go back to wanking and watching anime porn.
Hey greatdumbass- quit wasting your time on this Board -don't you know you are missing your hero Sarah Palin live -being interviewed by Sean Hannity? She's discussing the porn collection the navy Seals found in Bin laden's pakistan hideaway. We'll never see the Bin laden raid because the cameras on the seals helmets malfunctioned and they forgot to videotape his burial at sea - but Sarah thinks the feds will soon release highlights from his porn collection -in a pay for view format to help reduce the national debt.
911 is a "conspiracy theory" - but porn is the real deal. We should all spend less time second guessing our government -and more time watching porn. Even at 46, I think we can all agree that Sarah palin is hot.
Hey greatdumbass- quit wasting your time on this Board -don't you know you are missing your hero Sarah Palin live -being interviewed by Sean Hannity? She's discussing the porn collection the navy Seals found in Bin laden's pakistan hideaway. We'll never see the Bin laden raid because the cameras on the seals helmets malfunctioned and they forgot to videotape his burial at sea - but Sarah thinks the feds will soon release highlights from his porn collection -in a pay for view format to help reduce the national debt.
911 is a "conspiracy theory" - but porn is the real deal. We should all spend less time second guessing our government -and more time watching porn. Even at 46, I think we can all agree that Sarah palin is hot.
One of the Aristotelian rules of argument: If you have no argument, attack the person. Easy trick to spot, isn't it? You can do better than that, greatsatan. Of course I have met plenty of rough-tough cream-puffs who wilt at the thought of betrayal so profound, so maybe I should give you some slack. After all, it is frightening to think that we live in times so dark.
Many of these "repeaters of the pablum" do it to prevent the truth from seeping into whatever brains they have left. If they recognized the truth, (we are lead/ruled by a murderous thug oligarchy with a subsidiary corporatocracy), they might have to do something about it. And that's just revolting!
"This stuff belongs in the fever swamps of DU"
didnt know douche bag troll algos could wax poetic.
you know what else belongs in the swaaaaammmmppsss of ddddddddddddeeeee uuuuuuuuuuuuuggghghghgh cough cough??
Your pathetic Sisyphean attempts at statist corporate fascist propaganda.
no, why dont both you and that other waste of lamella "ricky" go dryfingerfucktbuddy yourselves.
try refuting facts point by point rather than referring to MSM as youre trained to do or clueless how not to do.
you troll assholes seem to have a pretty steady diet of aluminum yourselves.
@HBGary FAIL #winninnnnnnng! nice try.
and take your butt-bone buddy raaaaaaaay with you too.
Fingerfuck Rambo? Sly Stallone? No thanks! Have you seen his forearms recently?
Good point. If you try to follow a few of the links, you get unsourced articles form MSNBC and BBC. You will also find no one else ever bothered to pick these up. It is all innuendo, supposition, and made up fantasy, but it makes dear ol' George feel good.
George also seems not to understand the difference between contingency plans and and formal plans to go to war. The Patriot Act, unfortunately, was a compendium of "wishes" not a formal plan to be dusted off after 20 years. Conspiracy theories are for those who have nothing real to do. It seems to fill some inner need and says more about the author than the targets.
This stuff belongs in the fever swamps of DU.
Well now, what have we here? Why, it's a little know-it-all!
Since you are so smart, please explain how 4 planes, 8 wings, and 12 tailfins can just evaporate in one hour? Or how aluminum can cut through steel like a knife through butter?
Or maybe how a plane with a 125ft wingspan could leave an 18ft circumference hole in a building wall? Or maybe how an undamaged, completely unaffected building located a good distance from the towers could just collapse?
Since you are so smart you must know the answers -- please share and enlighten, oh wise one.
Because I am relying on all that boring, stupid math and physics. I'm sure you know better! Do tell!
A building came down without an attack,
A plane came down without attacking.
Quite simple really.
One was intended for the other.
I see your grasp of physics and structural integrity are just as adept as Rosie O'Donnels.
You still didn't answer anything.
Look FatBoy - Walk outside and turn on your gas bbq grill.
Now go have a beer. Now go have another. While you're at it, go have another.
Now go back to your bbq grill. Did it melt? Did it sag? Did it break? No it did not. No, it will not. So shut the f'up until you have something useful to say.
and the perfect symmetric drops. nothing wobbly about it at all. almost wonder if it was a planned demolition why they didn't through a little asymmetry in for verisimilitude.
While you are at it, if you can show me how to cut through a 17 inch steel I beam encased in concrete with a kerosene flame I will buy you a new car.
+1
You do yourself no favors by repeating the official alibi.
Clearly you have done no reading or thinking outside the msm. You just love that government pablum, don't you.
What he is really calling, those who think on ZH, is a bunch of Dingbats and Meatheads.
Archie Bunker was funny but satirical. Still amazed some people did not understand the humor in the show.
hey lay off the troll. The poor fat fuck already has to be the balding, obese, brunt of all jokes at Langley.
Care to try and refute any of the facts presented, or are ad hominem attacks the limit of your abilities?
I always wanted to learn how to drive. It was not until my first girlfriend ditched me for a guy with a car that i actually got behind the wheel… No one needs to disprove any of the above, because none of the above prove anything.
At this point, there is so much "information" that one must use logic when developing a position. I don't need to read a bunch of so called "facts" about it. The entire "official story" is preposterous to anyone with even the slightest sense of objective reasoning. The resulting actions and condition of the world's political environment only further strengthen the notion that this entire 'war on terror" was needed, planned and successfully covered up and turned into the new religion.
You see this is an article: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/08/15/forbidden_truth/
that actually cites numerous sources for the information presented, the author actually finds the people involved and questions them and gets answers. Unlike the bullshit linked above.
Remain an ignorant fool if you want, it doesn't take but a few minutes to punch holes in this crap.
9/11 was an inside job... can't believe after 10 years we are still at the was it/wasn't stage... utterly tragic.
... 9/11 proved that people are incredibly dumb, gullible, docile, apathetic and ultimately, by doing nothing, complicit in the atrocities carried out by the scum that run the world.
There are too many crazy theories and government planted disinformation out there. It helps the government lies from being exposed.
I think it has more to do with denial and normalcy bias.
Like the middle aged woman that falls for a man that ends up raping her daughter. Even if he spends 2 hours a night in his stepdaughters bedroom, she will remain blissfully ignorant, rather than face the ugly truth.
Sometimes a woman chooses this, and selects a temporary mate "appropriate" to gently introduce her daughter to sex. It will usually start when the daughter is underage to give the mother control by discovery, should it be needed. The ignorance is merely a public mask in this case.
Highly accurate analogy.
Someone with a guilty conscience might, on his or her deathbed, reveal some of the truth, but then no msm outlet would publish it; so how would the sheeple ever know how they've been had?
You must be one of dat dere conspiracy theorists, talking about deathbed confessions.
You must be c-r-r-a-a-a-z-y!
thanks for the link gw. somehow, someday the critical mass may just be reached and the curtain will be drawn back ....
Gw, DUHhhhhhhh!
amazing how WMD bullshit started rippling through the MSM right around the same time saddam was going to start accepting euro's in exchange for Iraqi oil instead of FRN's.
That's one reason the central bankers/planners despise Iran: they do not want a central bank and they grow their own food. Which makes them self reliant and thus a threat to the control freaks in the central bank system.
Central bankers are too stupid to manage anything, so they have to use all forms of fear to hold on to their ill-gotten gains.
Iran must be destroyed because it is a threat to the zionist myth of israel (Is-Ra-El).
Is=Isis-Fertility goddess of Egypt Ra=Sun God of Egypt El=Original Jewish God name. And the beat goes on. Israel= The Great CON!! Milestones
Did 1 god just become 4? Wake me up when we know who to recognise 6Billion of the blighters.
"There is no God but (fill in your favorite)" was originally a war cry of the minions of various god-kings. Everyone knew there were lots of gods.
Those "honored" in the country name were allies of the jewish god. Since these gods were "immortal" at least in comparison to ordinary humans, makes me wonder what happened to them.
For once I have to disagree GW. Without the false flag attacks on 9-11, the sheeple wouldn't have accepted the wars and loss of liberties. It scared the shit out of us, united the quivering masses under a lie, and focused our hatred on brown boogie men in caves.
It also profited a lot of Zionists.