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all the news and market reaction or not has made me sick to my stomach. I am out of all stocks and I'm never coming back.
What can we do to end the rigging. As a nation we are enslaved with debt and now our market has been taken from us. What is next, I don't even want to know.
yes, I'll have another double.
You can't save the system. It is going to collapse and there is nothing that can stop that.
The most you can do is to stop it from collapsing on you.
The U.S. dollar is doomed. Solution: switch to a different money. Government forbids it? Solution: organize opposition to the government so they can't stop you.
Life is simple now.
organizing opposition to the government so they can't stop you is probably not the simplest (or safest) way to switch to a different money.
I didn't say it was easy, I said it was simple to understand.
Okay, folks. When do we start using the "D" word? I suppose when U-6 climbs to 20% or to Great Depression levels of 25%?
The economy can never deflate. Why? Because the goldbugs say so.We're no different than Zimbabwe after all.
No, because there has been zero deflation over the last decade. No official statistic counts the growth of derivatives as inflation. The banking system has been dead for a decade, the banks were already overleveraged and had been given a second lifeline by the Fed to borrow well beyond their means. There has only been inflation, and there only will be inflation when a creditor nation like jp defaults are sells their us debt.
In my town and in my business-lodging-sales continue to decline each month from last year sales. this has been going on uninterupted for 18 months straight. You guys are the only ones who make any sense out of what really is happening. What really scares the shit out of me is what may yet happen.
Yep. We're further from reality than we were in 2006. Prepare accordingly.
I see small business failures really piling up where I live, at a faster and faster pace, restaurants, salons, specialty retail, small service shops, all failing quickly.
Well, it's no damn surprise. The press talked down the economy during all of Bush's two terms, so of course when the economy's really in the crapper (just focusing on current reality, not the longer-term causes of it and whether or not the Bush years were a "false prosperity", so don't get your panties in a bunch Bush-haters) people are going to say so, despite what the various media and government sources say.
It's actually much easier to tell someone that something good is bad than vice versa.
Say BS Inc.
You certainly are true to your moniker.
So let's hear some happy talk. Green Shoots. Greener Shoots. More Green Shoots. Much More Green Shoots. Very Much More Green Shoots. Lots of Very Much More Green Shoots. Lots and Lots of Very Much More Green Shoots. Humungous Amounts of Green Shoots.
Greatbighuge Amounts of Green Shoots.
Now, for a brief intermission: WE REGRET TO INFORM YOU THAT THE ECONOMY HAS COLLAPSED. And back to our main program.
Green Shoots.... More Green Shoots...
If you would like "Good News" get two doctors to sign you in for a couple of weeks. The food is adequate and everyone you meet seems happy. And maybe you can find Dubya's padded room !
I think you missed my point, which was that now, when the government and media would like people to have confidence, it's more difficult for people to be confident because not only is the economy in the crapper, but it's also in the crapper relative to an economy which everyone was told was bad, so the current economy seems even worse despite the talk of "recovery".
Hate Bush all you want, MANY people will, superficially, but will, nonetheless, look back at his tenure as a better economic time than the present.
Anyway, I think all the talk about "animal spirits" and confidence are overrated. It doesn't matter if I'm "confident" or not if I don't have a job or if my mortgage is eating up so much of my income that I can't do anything but stay home. The only thing that will restore confidence is debt being written off to restore actual cash flows to consumers and away from banks.
Ahh, the ole' "Yeah!, but Obama is more bad than Bush".
Loosely translated: Two buses are headed for a cliff. I'll take the slower bus".
Now if we can just get some more Richard Shelby Jim Leach, and Phil Gramme types elected we'll all be sittin' pretty with freedom and liberty for all!
Yes, the lesser of two evils is still evil.
How you get that from my post is your problem, not mine. The debt cycle transcends any notion of electoral politics which has been operative in the US for a long time, i.e. neither party really understands the debt deflation dynamic, or, if they understand it, aren't doing much about it.
If you don't think the media was downplaying the economy during the Bush years to make him look bad, that's also your problem. Clearly, things which were considered awful during the Bush years became signs of recovery during the first year of Obama's tenure. That's just a fucking fact anyone with a pair of eyes in their heads can see by reading.
So, take your fucking sarcasm and stick where your head is, up your ass. Got it?
on a related and possibly less controversial note, the "things which were considered awful during the Bush years became (at least o.k./good things) during the first year of Obama's tenure." (wars, secret detention, political control of doj, rendition, crony capitalism, sale of the people's interests to corporations for campaign contributions, use of state secrets protections to cover up crimes). i think we can all agree on that.
How dare people say bad things about Bush!!!
He just started two wars and drove the economy that was prosperous off of a cliff!
Or was it the "drive by" media that tanked the economy, only to later blame it on Bush?
I think that it was the drive bys. Mega Dittos, BS!!!
Thanks for continuing to report on the ABC poll Tyler.
Unrelated, but can you provide a PIIGS or STUPID cds update? It seems this has been swept under the rug when cds (and sovereign bond spreads) should be widening. My bad if Spanish intelligence gets on your case.
That chart makes it look like we're in the earlier stages of a few years of "prosperity." Look at the chart around 1991 and 2003 -- sharp multi-year drop followed by slow movement upward, the same position it's in now. Would expect it to reach about -20 in 2012 if history repeats.
one could argue that it has a h & s.......
Back then, we had manufacturing jobs (heck, we had jobs!), the consumer had boundless debt capacity, house prices were mega-cheap, the Feds had loads of debt capacity, and the economy had a whole tech-boom decade to look forward to.
What have we now? Outsourced jobs, EVERY level of the country loaded with debt, huge unemployment, SHRINKING incomes, no new industry to drive the growth.
Save your pennies, the country is in big trouble.
No argument is required for the massive Head & shoulders pattern on this weekly chart. It is most telling as the measured move from the head is literally off the chart.
I'm assuming that the data input is untainted by any governmental/statistical shenanigans. The "big lie" program is not gaining traction.
The real unemployment rate is around 17%--figuring in discouraged workers--we have replaced inventory and burned through trillions in "stimulus" and well--now what?
--and I guess the peeps get it--will the politicos (answer --no)
WTF is wrong with all these pessimists?!?!!?
Dude, Wall Street got RECORD BONUSES.
You are supposed to life your lives vicariously through them just like entertainers and athletes!
There are much fewer people working on Wall Street than there used to be.
They "work" on Wall Street. And I always thought it was scheming...
But even Tiger's got it rough. Bimbo lawsuits, alimony, endorsement losses, tourney money gone. Before long the Hamptons will be flooded with out of work celebs and pols. This is serious now, dammit.
And here I thought I had it rough with Revenues down 60% last year.
They can afford the high quality heroin to kill the pain.
I have to rely on Tester's model glue and a huff bag to escape this shithole reality.
Just some simple math for you guys to think about
unemploymet - 18%
imprisoned population - 10% give or take
government employed - 17%
that leaves 55% of the working population to make enough profits in exports to pay for the 45% of gov subsidized benefits and pay.
Good luck on ever getting out of the red.
Now don't you be giving me none of that simple math stuff. Unless its differentiation with saddle points, I ain't believing it.
Your prison figure isn't even close. As of the end of 2008, there are 754 imprisoned per 100,000 population.
My bad on the math. I heard the prison figure somewhere and i should have checked it out. According to wikipedia 1 in 31 adults are incarcerated and that figure is backed up by the bureau of justice statistics.
But the figure on the government employment is supposedly correct as 1 in 6 people are government employed.
Then take into account all the companies that work primarily making products for the government such as weapons technology etc and the numbers start getting scary.
still the highest in the "developed" world, is it not?
233303...interesting way to look at it and thank you.
we should probably add percentage of retirees on social security and medicare.......
That tells me 88% of the people are smart
Where do you think the S&P would be right now if the market weren't rigged? Based on the confidence of retail investors. Would it have rebounded from last March at all?
Sorry but I know a lot of retail investors that have not learned a thing from the 2008 crash and believe that the market will indeed come back... thats the only reason I sometimes think that Leo is right even though I hate his guts every time he talks about buying stocks!!
I was looking at some solar charts yesterday, and a lot of them have bullish setups in the technicals...
I was like... "Huh... maybe Leo's not retarded."
CAPTCHA : 100 minus 88 equals how many people have their heads up their asses.
China slipped in the Trojan Horse (Walmart), lead by their inside man (Jack Welch- hey lets Six Sigma them with bullshit like "outsourcing"), and have now crippled America.
The country is leaderless, a political elite feigning intelligence, while the country decays.
Hey People- we have the solution to the debt problem- lots more debt. We have a solution to the jobs problem- keep letting crap in from China, and lets jawbone them some more about that currency thing....
We need leadership, not another bought-and-paid-for talking head like Obama, Dubya, and give me a break- Palin....
Repectfully I dig where Ruductio is coming from but the one hugely overlooked wild card was not present when ....
the "chart makes it look like we're in the earlier stages of a few years of "prosperity." Look at the chart around 1991 and 2003 -- sharp multi-year drop followed by slow movement upward, the same position it's in now. Would expect it to reach about -20 in 2012 if history repeats."
Markets love gridlock. Okay. What about political upheaval. Threats of prosecution. Grand jury testimony. Audit the Fed. Major sweeping overhaul of the banking system. Scott Brown had no idea what he was doing at the same time knowing exactly what he was doing. He did what he thought was his job. Put a steel door in front of Thelma & Louis. Oh yeah. And shut down the largest racket ever perpetrated on contemporary civilization. (F**K CLIMATE SCIENCE)
If November pans out the way I think it will 2012 will look closer XX12 than 1991 and 2003. And 2011 will look like XX11. That does not sound like a third bottom. That sounds like a new island bottom with a horrid rectangle sideways pattern until the newcomers in DC - the grown ups - take cues from the voice of reason. God knows there is plenty of that at ZH. This site is innovative in many ways.
If you don't get involved in the political system this year then your opinion will never matter.
Pull more than your weight.
88 p p p ercent??? It makes one's c c c contrarian t t t twitch act up.
You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time....
Lincoln was too modest. If there's anything the last decade taught me, it's that you can, in fact, fool damn near all of the people, all the fucking time.
I agree - see my comments regarding retail investors but yes its seems Americans are being fooled lock stock and barrel yet again and many (if not some) are indeed buying into the rally !!
This ABC poll must be the only one talking to real people. All of the other polls are from some industry group trying to talk up the economy. Real living, working people know that the economy is in the tank. Real U6 unemployment is almost 20% so there is no way the economy could actually be improving. Now maybe the stock market is doing well because Obama and Bernanke are throwing trillions of our tax dollars away to support it, that I can believe.
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