Is a Rogue Computer Virus Shutting Down Nuclear Plants Worldwide?

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snowball777's picture

Why would the control systems for nuke reactors be hooked up to any kind of external network thus exposing themselves to virii?

Sometimes you should find out more before posting; this appears to be one of those times.

Cthonic's picture

Only reports so far of the "star virus" are coming from Iran.  If it actually turns out to be targeting the same systems as stuxnet then one may be right to consider it the Western cyber-tactical equivalent of a double tap.  Seeing that Reid and Obama sucessfully 'nuked' the Yucca Mountain Repository, we don't even have plans for what to do with our (copious amounts of) nuclear industry byproducts.  We hear Iran boast about their enrichment facilities and new reactor, and nary a word of *any capacity* or any plan for capacity to handle their future waste streams.  Does anyone outside of Iran really think Iran has a bona fide need to enrich uranium?  Does anyone believe they've spent billions studying Kavir geology or focused any iota of scientific effort on the problem of fuel reprocessing?

snowball777's picture

Maybe they're planning on stupid, insecure spent fuel ponds too.

New_Meat's picture

"I have no idea whether or not the shutdowns were caused by Stuxnet accidentally spreading to other reactors, instead of just hitting its intended target: Iran.

But at the very least, the virus created by the U.S. and Israel to slow down Iran's nuclear program has opened a "Pandora's box" which leaves our nuclear plants and other sensitive facilities open to attacks by hostile governments or rogue hackers."

GW, you post this crap, then say "I have no idea..."

Like, you have no idea how antiquated the control systems are in almost all nuclear plants.  Like, they are almost all analog, like 1980's technology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LucTPdK8VTc

- Ned

primaryschooldropout's picture

learn some fuck math and economics, come back in three yearsa(at minimus) and shut your mouth there are adults talking. try to listen.(hint I do not post much because I am listening)

primaryschooldropout's picture

does the point of non compatable not reach you? have you ever worked in #asm?   or any root code at all? not just an include? will not work betweem fenuc and S7. even low level. fuck off I read this shit at the asm level because I have S7 systems to worry about. learn you craft and then be part of the zh team. otherwise join a hedgefund. I am sick of you idiots posting over such good product.

primaryschooldropout's picture

btw this is the real world of somebody who fucking knows how those littile black boxes work.

primaryschooldropout's picture

really knock it off this is zerohedge not a god damn tin foil hat site I am sick of you

 

primaryschooldropout's picture

learn how to code and how this shit works fucktard

primaryschooldropout's picture

Oh yeah greatfultraveler. Siemens is like number 4 in the plc world, like an also ran.

primaryschooldropout's picture

I am going to be very simple with you george. GE fenuck and seimens S7 are not compatable. So no japan interaction. Futhermore the stuxnet virus only targets FVD's at 800-1200 hz. I like your stuff but in this case you are very off base. I do not post often. And usually only very intoxicated but I am an engineer very familar with both systems. and yes this was done by people with a lot of resources but they knew the possibilities and they are few. on another note siemens is crap. Germans should stick to ME, not CE. They suck at the latter.

gratefultraveller's picture

That is not what the anti-virus community was saying at the time StuxNet was discovered, so yours appears to be a presumption. The Siemens controllers are some of the most widely used in industrial plants, they are "simply" building blocks used to coordinate different aspects of a process, be it car assembly, pill manufacturing, rail traffic in a network, you name it - indeed a Pandora´s Box.

Karma is a bitch.

ivars's picture

New  (first time)  Fukushima area cumulative 1year  radiation dose (till March 11, 2012) map:

http://www.saposjoint.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=2657&p=32014#p32014

 

CheapPanderingCrony's picture

Yea, because the Stuxnet, not an earthquake, cracked open the concrete encasing multiple reactors. Sounds like George is talking out of his arse on this one.

themiestro's picture

I just think GW has a hard-on for nuke related stuff.  220, 221, whatever it takes.

BlackholeDivestment's picture

The fact is, what is now upon this generation is the revelation that there is no stopping a WMD event involving Israel, U.S., Iran etc...

...''it's'' going to happen and soon, ''they'' have telegraphed this punch for a long time now, from ''The Last Best Chance'' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4mmpRdV-3o to ''The Tipping Point'' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH8UmH712C4 premier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AG8ottXd_M The same Pete Peterson's and Bernie Madoff with your money crowd, you know, that MIHOP LIHOP their Grand Chessboard way through the WTC and insured their AIG Fannie Mae I have another bailout bonus ...or there will be blood in the streets Mr. Gaddafi, ''we are doing gods work'' gang.

The aftermathh adds up to the reflection of history. The whole ''New World Order'' security matrix ''never let'' a Joe Biden ''generated'' Rahm Co. ''good crisis go to waste'', ''it's just business'' thing.  Larry Silverstein and friends ''pulled'' the WTC, while Larry Summers and friends ''pulled'' the global Born Ultimatum. Israel is just a pathetic revelation of the madness of the antichrist(s). All nations are guilty. Fear not, just stand fast and do no harm. This will not take long. You will see the call for peace among Israel and all the nations, soon after you realize the cause for the Nobel Prize, and you will see the security measures that take place, which you now already see happening. Any false moves after the peace is sealed, all hell will be breaking loose, count on it. Stuxnet is not the only virus to watch, the hate for anyone is deadly, don't dash your foot upon the Stone.

old naughty's picture

Well, not only you handed your enemies (who?) the knowhow --- a sword has two sides, you actually sets up round 2 of Nine.11.

You'll never know who hit you, hum...

Japanese: " Dai Jor Bu" (no problemo).

Sad? May be its time,

Paging John Connors. 

Oh regional Indian's picture

Hmmmmm, a thought provoking ramble. Feels almost like I wrote it! :-)

ORI

Chuck Walla's picture

America! Hell, Yeah!

michigan independant's picture

http://www.mcafee.com/us/resources/white-papers/wp-global-energy-cyberattacks-night-dragon.pdf

Our dcs only allows monitoring, no global inputs changes in apac

 SCADA system monitors the complete operations of the loop.

While we believe many actors have participated in these attacks, we have been able to identify one individual who has provided the crucial C&C infrastructure to the attackers — this individual is based in Heze City, Shandong Province, China. Although we don’t believe this individual is the mastermind behind these attacks, it is likely this person is aware or has information that can help identify at least some of the individuals, groups, or organizations responsible for these intrusions.

On the compromised web server, they also deployed ASPXSpy, a web-based remote administration tool, also of Chinese origin.

 

ty GW

Augustus's picture

Has anyone checked the weather control computers lately?  Those controllers have been creating some pretty devestating weather events here in the US in the last month.  How fast does this virus replicate in weather control equipment?

 

I am certain this virus must be responsible for the damage to my stack of cord wood.  First the fan on the stove blower quits and then I have to deal with a bunch of wet fuel.  I'd sure like to find out who exactly is responsible for a virus that can cause that.

RockyRacoon's picture

You too?  I think it's the same mysterious yet treacherous people who made my weedeater go crazy the other day and try to eat my ankles through.   I swear it was varooming my name as the little 2-cycle motor revved to tolerances that would have destroyed a "normal" engine.

windcatcher's picture

Until we bring the Traitors to the USA to Justice, the criminally insane sociopaths and their atrocities against humanity will continue to become even more audacious.

 

“We are an Empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you are studying that reality – judiciously as you will – we will act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We are history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” Carl Rove

penisouraus erecti's picture

So, this should be good for the Dow.

majia's picture

Arnie Gunderson, Chris Busby and the blogger Ex-SKF are all suggesting the #3 explosion was nuclear rather than a hydrogen explosion. Arnie thinks it was the spent fuel pool.

What are the implications if that is true?

Also, can anyone who is following this evaluate the current state of the plants in relation to more significant radiation releases (outside of those caused by more earthquakes)...

Ethics Gradient's picture

If it's true, we don't know anything about nuclear physics.

Iam_Silverman's picture

I suppose if you had no clue at all how a nuclear plant works you could contrive such a dire situation as postulated.

A LOCA, indeed.  Please, be more specific.  Will the StuxNet virus drill into the piping?  Open those manual (capped and locked-closed) drain valves?  Maybe it will roll open the PORVS?  Oh, wait, they're not controlled by a SCADA system, are they?  I guess that no one has given much thought to the fact that due to regulatory and environmental constraints, our nuclear plants are progeny of the 60's and 70's - pretty much a hodge-podge of pnuematics and clicking, buzzing relays.  Are there SCADA systems in non-ESF roles?  Yup, turbine and condensate controls.  They are not connected to even the company intranet, and they don't have accessible drive ports or USB connections.  I don't usually carry around a serial (RS232) cable, so I can't watch my porn on those computers.  So, if a virus causes the turbine controls (or feed pumps, or condensate filtration) to go apeshit, you just downpower the device.  The trip and control valves will fail closed.  If not, the highly mechanical overspeed trip will take you out, or the manual pull-to-trip T-Handle will also do nicely.

I may need to wear my tinfoil hat more often at work.

Fear mongering, at best.

RockyRacoon's picture

Kinda reminds me of what I think was a Stephen King movie.   Some "intelligence" or "malevolent thingy" was trying to do harm and it sent "signals" to stuff like microwaves and blenders and other rather vapid household appliances.   Like through a 110V power line instructions could be sent to blow up and cause all sorts of havoc.   Yeah.

My lawnmower is trying to kill me!

Tedious tripe.

RmcAZ's picture

+1... There is one nuclear "expert" in this thread, and one security "expert" in this thread. And we both agree.

Everything else is fear mongering.

That's not to say that nothing will ever happen in a SCADA environment.

penisouraus erecti's picture

So, then there's nothing to worry about here?

Ned Zeppelin's picture

McAfee can knock out this Stuxnet thingie STAT. No worries.  

disabledvet's picture

As an alien from Mars "we don't need no stinkin' Stuxnet."  In fact believe it or not we came to your Planet because radioactive material is in fact a delicacy on my Planet.  We were shocked when we found you had a "disposal issue" because "you have too much!"  We immediately had brought to us "Granny Martians secret radiation dishes" and have been going wild and gettin' fatter ever since.  and we love your women too although we apologize for "eating the first few me met."  it was our custom and "this converstation thing" was rather odd at first.

red_pill_rash's picture

 

There aint anything rogue about it..

Psychopathy at it's worst. .

 

medicalstudent's picture

some maybe crazy youtube lady said it was israel; leuren moret... good other points too

 

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KickIce's picture

First oil production, now nukes - it's almost like they're forcing a green agenda down our throats.

RockyRacoon's picture

Gee.  Ever consider that "they" might be right?

bugs_'s picture

when the morris worm got out, he didn't intend for it to get out.  it wasn't fully debugged.  but it got out and made history (and an new position at the NSA).

espirit's picture

To monitor and receive updates-

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php

Scroll down for the latest biological, epidemic, or near earth object approaching you.

Husk-Erzulie's picture

Wow, golden tin-foil award dude.  Great stuff.

Natasha Fatale's picture

This is brilliant, many thanks for sharing!

Yen Cross's picture

Making some GLOBAL money? I'm not suprised. Good work!

tewkatz's picture

Wow, thanks for the link!

It's like a Bloomberg screen for catastrophy...

topcallingtroll's picture

You do know the scuttlebutt about how they got it into the intranet managing the centrifuges, considering it is not connected to the internet?

Guys from sexually repressive societies go apeshit over a flash drive full of quality porn

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

Guys from sexually repressive societies go apeshit over a flash drive full of quality porn

Well then that stereotype perfectly explains why America is King of the Porn. Lots of sexually repressed guys with unlimted access to porn. All that female flesh flashed on the TV, in movies, on the dance floor. But no touchy touchy because NO means NO.

Arab nations aren't the only country with sexually repressed men.............and women.

Ying-Yang's picture

You ain't kidding CD...

Just like our FED employees:

Dozens of Securities and Exchange Commission staffers used government computers to access and download explicit images and many of the incidents have occurred since the global financial meltdown began, according to a new watchdog investigation.

Several of employees held senior positions, earning between $99,300 and $222,418 per year, the inspector general's summary said. Three of the incidents occurred this year, ten in 2009, 16 in 2008, two in 2007 and one each in 2006 and 2005.

Heh..... you would think making 222k, you could afford the real deal.

 

FeralSerf's picture

There is a common denominator:  whacko fundamental religious nuts.  America has its share (and always has had since the Puritans) as does Iran, of course.

anyways's picture

i suppose this is the true reason for the surprising nuclear power plant shutdowns in Germany: 8 (sic!) 'old' where shut down days after Fukushima.

Milestones's picture

Hugh Plains-how does this tie into the story you related about the Japanese Atomic "problem" and that certain semitic states potential involvement? Seems we have a possible bogey? Just surfin the turf.      Milestones