Is a Rogue Computer Virus Shutting Down Nuclear Plants Worldwide?

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Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:25 | 1210791 snowball777
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Why would the control systems for nuke reactors be hooked up to any kind of external network thus exposing themselves to virii?

Sometimes you should find out more before posting; this appears to be one of those times.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:08 | 1210744 Cthonic
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Only reports so far of the "star virus" are coming from Iran.  If it actually turns out to be targeting the same systems as stuxnet then one may be right to consider it the Western cyber-tactical equivalent of a double tap.  Seeing that Reid and Obama sucessfully 'nuked' the Yucca Mountain Repository, we don't even have plans for what to do with our (copious amounts of) nuclear industry byproducts.  We hear Iran boast about their enrichment facilities and new reactor, and nary a word of *any capacity* or any plan for capacity to handle their future waste streams.  Does anyone outside of Iran really think Iran has a bona fide need to enrich uranium?  Does anyone believe they've spent billions studying Kavir geology or focused any iota of scientific effort on the problem of fuel reprocessing?

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:25 | 1210798 snowball777
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Maybe they're planning on stupid, insecure spent fuel ponds too.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 07:59 | 1210724 New_Meat
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"I have no idea whether or not the shutdowns were caused by Stuxnet accidentally spreading to other reactors, instead of just hitting its intended target: Iran.

But at the very least, the virus created by the U.S. and Israel to slow down Iran's nuclear program has opened a "Pandora's box" which leaves our nuclear plants and other sensitive facilities open to attacks by hostile governments or rogue hackers."

GW, you post this crap, then say "I have no idea..."

Like, you have no idea how antiquated the control systems are in almost all nuclear plants.  Like, they are almost all analog, like 1980's technology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LucTPdK8VTc

- Ned

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 07:29 | 1210652 primaryschooldropout
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learn some fuck math and economics, come back in three yearsa(at minimus) and shut your mouth there are adults talking. try to listen.(hint I do not post much because I am listening)

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 07:16 | 1210636 primaryschooldropout
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does the point of non compatable not reach you? have you ever worked in #asm?   or any root code at all? not just an include? will not work betweem fenuc and S7. even low level. fuck off I read this shit at the asm level because I have S7 systems to worry about. learn you craft and then be part of the zh team. otherwise join a hedgefund. I am sick of you idiots posting over such good product.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 07:04 | 1210620 primaryschooldropout
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btw this is the real world of somebody who fucking knows how those littile black boxes work.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 06:59 | 1210619 primaryschooldropout
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really knock it off this is zerohedge not a god damn tin foil hat site I am sick of you

 

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 06:57 | 1210615 primaryschooldropout
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learn how to code and how this shit works fucktard

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 05:20 | 1210489 primaryschooldropout
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Oh yeah greatfultraveler. Siemens is like number 4 in the plc world, like an also ran.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 05:17 | 1210468 primaryschooldropout
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I am going to be very simple with you george. GE fenuck and seimens S7 are not compatable. So no japan interaction. Futhermore the stuxnet virus only targets FVD's at 800-1200 hz. I like your stuff but in this case you are very off base. I do not post often. And usually only very intoxicated but I am an engineer very familar with both systems. and yes this was done by people with a lot of resources but they knew the possibilities and they are few. on another note siemens is crap. Germans should stick to ME, not CE. They suck at the latter.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 03:40 | 1210380 gratefultraveller
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That is not what the anti-virus community was saying at the time StuxNet was discovered, so yours appears to be a presumption. The Siemens controllers are some of the most widely used in industrial plants, they are "simply" building blocks used to coordinate different aspects of a process, be it car assembly, pill manufacturing, rail traffic in a network, you name it - indeed a Pandora´s Box.

Karma is a bitch.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 03:20 | 1210378 ivars
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New  (first time)  Fukushima area cumulative 1year  radiation dose (till March 11, 2012) map:

http://www.saposjoint.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=2657&p=32014#p32014

 

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 02:13 | 1210341 CheapPanderingCrony
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Yea, because the Stuxnet, not an earthquake, cracked open the concrete encasing multiple reactors. Sounds like George is talking out of his arse on this one.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:37 | 1210237 themiestro
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I just think GW has a hard-on for nuke related stuff.  220, 221, whatever it takes.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:54 | 1210174 BlackholeDivestment
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The fact is, what is now upon this generation is the revelation that there is no stopping a WMD event involving Israel, U.S., Iran etc...

...''it's'' going to happen and soon, ''they'' have telegraphed this punch for a long time now, from ''The Last Best Chance'' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4mmpRdV-3o to ''The Tipping Point'' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH8UmH712C4 premier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AG8ottXd_M The same Pete Peterson's and Bernie Madoff with your money crowd, you know, that MIHOP LIHOP their Grand Chessboard way through the WTC and insured their AIG Fannie Mae I have another bailout bonus ...or there will be blood in the streets Mr. Gaddafi, ''we are doing gods work'' gang.

The aftermathh adds up to the reflection of history. The whole ''New World Order'' security matrix ''never let'' a Joe Biden ''generated'' Rahm Co. ''good crisis go to waste'', ''it's just business'' thing.  Larry Silverstein and friends ''pulled'' the WTC, while Larry Summers and friends ''pulled'' the global Born Ultimatum. Israel is just a pathetic revelation of the madness of the antichrist(s). All nations are guilty. Fear not, just stand fast and do no harm. This will not take long. You will see the call for peace among Israel and all the nations, soon after you realize the cause for the Nobel Prize, and you will see the security measures that take place, which you now already see happening. Any false moves after the peace is sealed, all hell will be breaking loose, count on it. Stuxnet is not the only virus to watch, the hate for anyone is deadly, don't dash your foot upon the Stone.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 09:41 | 1211146 old naughty
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Well, not only you handed your enemies (who?) the knowhow --- a sword has two sides, you actually sets up round 2 of Nine.11.

You'll never know who hit you, hum...

Japanese: " Dai Jor Bu" (no problemo).

Sad? May be its time,

Paging John Connors. 

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:27 | 1210290 Oh regional Indian
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Hmmmmm, a thought provoking ramble. Feels almost like I wrote it! :-)

ORI

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:04 | 1210090 Chuck Walla
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America! Hell, Yeah!

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:00 | 1210048 michigan independant
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http://www.mcafee.com/us/resources/white-papers/wp-global-energy-cyberattacks-night-dragon.pdf

Our dcs only allows monitoring, no global inputs changes in apac

 SCADA system monitors the complete operations of the loop.

While we believe many actors have participated in these attacks, we have been able to identify one individual who has provided the crucial C&C infrastructure to the attackers — this individual is based in Heze City, Shandong Province, China. Although we don’t believe this individual is the mastermind behind these attacks, it is likely this person is aware or has information that can help identify at least some of the individuals, groups, or organizations responsible for these intrusions.

On the compromised web server, they also deployed ASPXSpy, a web-based remote administration tool, also of Chinese origin.

 

ty GW

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:40 | 1210036 Augustus
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Has anyone checked the weather control computers lately?  Those controllers have been creating some pretty devestating weather events here in the US in the last month.  How fast does this virus replicate in weather control equipment?

 

I am certain this virus must be responsible for the damage to my stack of cord wood.  First the fan on the stove blower quits and then I have to deal with a bunch of wet fuel.  I'd sure like to find out who exactly is responsible for a virus that can cause that.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:26 | 1210214 RockyRacoon
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You too?  I think it's the same mysterious yet treacherous people who made my weedeater go crazy the other day and try to eat my ankles through.   I swear it was varooming my name as the little 2-cycle motor revved to tolerances that would have destroyed a "normal" engine.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:39 | 1210026 windcatcher
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Until we bring the Traitors to the USA to Justice, the criminally insane sociopaths and their atrocities against humanity will continue to become even more audacious.

 

“We are an Empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you are studying that reality – judiciously as you will – we will act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We are history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” Carl Rove

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:06 | 1209947 penisouraus erecti
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So, this should be good for the Dow.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:00 | 1209939 majia
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Arnie Gunderson, Chris Busby and the blogger Ex-SKF are all suggesting the #3 explosion was nuclear rather than a hydrogen explosion. Arnie thinks it was the spent fuel pool.

What are the implications if that is true?

Also, can anyone who is following this evaluate the current state of the plants in relation to more significant radiation releases (outside of those caused by more earthquakes)...

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 09:11 | 1210994 Ethics Gradient
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If it's true, we don't know anything about nuclear physics.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:40 | 1209883 Iam_Silverman
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I suppose if you had no clue at all how a nuclear plant works you could contrive such a dire situation as postulated.

A LOCA, indeed.  Please, be more specific.  Will the StuxNet virus drill into the piping?  Open those manual (capped and locked-closed) drain valves?  Maybe it will roll open the PORVS?  Oh, wait, they're not controlled by a SCADA system, are they?  I guess that no one has given much thought to the fact that due to regulatory and environmental constraints, our nuclear plants are progeny of the 60's and 70's - pretty much a hodge-podge of pnuematics and clicking, buzzing relays.  Are there SCADA systems in non-ESF roles?  Yup, turbine and condensate controls.  They are not connected to even the company intranet, and they don't have accessible drive ports or USB connections.  I don't usually carry around a serial (RS232) cable, so I can't watch my porn on those computers.  So, if a virus causes the turbine controls (or feed pumps, or condensate filtration) to go apeshit, you just downpower the device.  The trip and control valves will fail closed.  If not, the highly mechanical overspeed trip will take you out, or the manual pull-to-trip T-Handle will also do nicely.

I may need to wear my tinfoil hat more often at work.

Fear mongering, at best.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:20 | 1210207 RockyRacoon
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Kinda reminds me of what I think was a Stephen King movie.   Some "intelligence" or "malevolent thingy" was trying to do harm and it sent "signals" to stuff like microwaves and blenders and other rather vapid household appliances.   Like through a 110V power line instructions could be sent to blow up and cause all sorts of havoc.   Yeah.

My lawnmower is trying to kill me!

Tedious tripe.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:32 | 1210005 RmcAZ
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+1... There is one nuclear "expert" in this thread, and one security "expert" in this thread. And we both agree.

Everything else is fear mongering.

That's not to say that nothing will ever happen in a SCADA environment.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:47 | 1210060 penisouraus erecti
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So, then there's nothing to worry about here?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:10 | 1209805 Ned Zeppelin
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McAfee can knock out this Stuxnet thingie STAT. No worries.  

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 20:57 | 1209774 disabledvet
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As an alien from Mars "we don't need no stinkin' Stuxnet."  In fact believe it or not we came to your Planet because radioactive material is in fact a delicacy on my Planet.  We were shocked when we found you had a "disposal issue" because "you have too much!"  We immediately had brought to us "Granny Martians secret radiation dishes" and have been going wild and gettin' fatter ever since.  and we love your women too although we apologize for "eating the first few me met."  it was our custom and "this converstation thing" was rather odd at first.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 20:29 | 1209732 red_pill_rash
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There aint anything rogue about it..

Psychopathy at it's worst. .

 

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 19:37 | 1209589 medicalstudent
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some maybe crazy youtube lady said it was israel; leuren moret... good other points too

 

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Tue, 04/26/2011 - 19:21 | 1209569 KickIce
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First oil production, now nukes - it's almost like they're forcing a green agenda down our throats.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:15 | 1210202 RockyRacoon
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Gee.  Ever consider that "they" might be right?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 19:21 | 1209567 bugs_
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when the morris worm got out, he didn't intend for it to get out.  it wasn't fully debugged.  but it got out and made history (and an new position at the NSA).

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 19:18 | 1209563 espirit
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Scroll down for the latest biological, epidemic, or near earth object approaching you.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 06:18 | 1210575 Husk-Erzulie
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Wow, golden tin-foil award dude.  Great stuff.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:13 | 1209957 tom a taxpayer
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espirit - Amazing. Thanks.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:42 | 1209886 Natasha Fatale
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This is brilliant, many thanks for sharing!

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 05:17 | 1210467 Yen Cross
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Making some GLOBAL money? I'm not suprised. Good work!

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 20:52 | 1209763 tewkatz
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Wow, thanks for the link!

It's like a Bloomberg screen for catastrophy...

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 19:08 | 1209533 topcallingtroll
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You do know the scuttlebutt about how they got it into the intranet managing the centrifuges, considering it is not connected to the internet?

Guys from sexually repressive societies go apeshit over a flash drive full of quality porn

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 19:27 | 1209580 Cognitive Dissonance
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Guys from sexually repressive societies go apeshit over a flash drive full of quality porn

Well then that stereotype perfectly explains why America is King of the Porn. Lots of sexually repressed guys with unlimted access to porn. All that female flesh flashed on the TV, in movies, on the dance floor. But no touchy touchy because NO means NO.

Arab nations aren't the only country with sexually repressed men.............and women.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:00 | 1210077 Ying-Yang
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You ain't kidding CD...

Just like our FED employees:

Dozens of Securities and Exchange Commission staffers used government computers to access and download explicit images and many of the incidents have occurred since the global financial meltdown began, according to a new watchdog investigation.

Several of employees held senior positions, earning between $99,300 and $222,418 per year, the inspector general's summary said. Three of the incidents occurred this year, ten in 2009, 16 in 2008, two in 2007 and one each in 2006 and 2005.

Heh..... you would think making 222k, you could afford the real deal.

 

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:21 | 1209983 FeralSerf
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There is a common denominator:  whacko fundamental religious nuts.  America has its share (and always has had since the Puritans) as does Iran, of course.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 18:58 | 1209504 anyways
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i suppose this is the true reason for the surprising nuclear power plant shutdowns in Germany: 8 (sic!) 'old' where shut down days after Fukushima.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 18:54 | 1209502 Milestones
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Hugh Plains-how does this tie into the story you related about the Japanese Atomic "problem" and that certain semitic states potential involvement? Seems we have a possible bogey? Just surfin the turf.      Milestones

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