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In Advance Of G-20 Meeting, China Announces Dollar Peg To End

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Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:12 | 422630 ghostfaceinvestah
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All talk to take the heat off before the G20, then they will just go back to the merchantilist ways.

This story belongs in the file with the $1T of supposed minerals in Afghanistan - pure bullshit.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:48 | 422659 thesapein
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It was just a matter of time. The peg could only protect the dollar for so long.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:50 | 422660 taraxias
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Spot on.

Read the press release, nothing more than a "non-committal committal" just before the G20 meeting.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 17:07 | 422877 chinaguy
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Agreed  GFI...They will let it float a small bit to knock back inflation a tad (inflation is BAD in China now) & get the US off it's back and then it's back to business as usual.

Sun, 06/20/2010 - 09:49 | 423444 doublethink
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History Rymes


(Reuters) - The U.S. Treasury market may be vulnerable to a sell-off on Monday on fear that China's move to allow more flexibility for its currency means the world's largest holder of U.S. sovereign debt will cut future purchases.




Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:16 | 422631 dnarby
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Everyone is expecting the Yuan to rise.  This will theoretically help US exports.  Time to gun stocks!

...Except that when the Yuan is floated, it will likely sink instead.

In the process, the Chinese continue to trade their Yuan for gold ahead of the "Great Reset".

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 13:02 | 422668 thesapein
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Well, if the yuan sinks, then the value of our debt to China skyrockets! That is the worst case scenario according to Ben and Tim, no?

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 13:51 | 422710 dnarby
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Yes.  Race to the bottom ^10^10

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 13:11 | 422676 thesapein
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The whole killing our dollar and destroying our purchasing power in order to theoretically help exports never made much sense to me. It's like, let's be so poor that others can buy more from us. Why are we so excited about taking our turn as a poor nation?

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 14:47 | 422765 dnarby
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Because in order too keep the global fiat "growth" machine running, a 'hard' currency nation had to debase it's currency.  That was the US.  That run is over.

Now they're going to try some other scheme.  Problem is, they don't have the guns to bully the rest of the world to go with it.  The majority of nations will agree on a new reserve currency to measure all others against (and the ones that don't will be forced to follow), it's just that it won't be used directly to settle payments for goods and services.

I am intentionally being vague so to get people to think "Hmm...  What could that currency possibly be?"

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 16:07 | 422828 thesapein
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Well, one thing never changes; Gold has pretty much always been the one world currency. So, even as people try to prop up any new ones, gold will most likely be the one always left standing. Does that about answer your question?

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 20:44 | 423014 dnarby
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Sat, 06/19/2010 - 16:13 | 422829 nuinut
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Hmmm..... well it would need to be a currency that was free to float, for a start.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 20:51 | 423015 dnarby
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I find it fascinating how the Gulf sea floor is mimicking the world monetary systems.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 21:16 | 423027 Apostate
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The unconscious is the most powerful force in the human mind. The consonance of the gusher in the Gulf has great resonance. 

Sun, 06/20/2010 - 01:32 | 423184 Oh regional Indian
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Very resonant comment Apostate-ji.

Like a Hummmmmmmmmmmmm....

And now that they are saying it is radioactive AND full of Methane, I think we are in runaway reaction mode.

All things will go belly up, which is where we started anyways, so, all good, eh?



Mon, 06/21/2010 - 09:29 | 424818 fearsomepirate
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It's based on sort of a clumsy theory of "exports = good" and "imports = bad."  Thus exports are a positive term in the GDP equation, and imports are a negative term.  So increasing exports = increasing GDP = good.  But what is going on substantially (cutting out the Keynesian aggregation bullcrap) is simply that increased exports mean real wealth is leaving the country; in short, we're paying for decades of importing, not getting richer.  Inflation also disguises losses as profits, since businesses don't account for currency depreciation in their book-keeping.  Say I make a widget for $100 at the beginning of the year and sell it for $110.  I record a $10 profit.  But if the currency depreciated by 15% in that time, that $110 is $93.70 in last year's money.  I *really* lost $7.50.  But my books don't tell me that, so I keep plowing on ahead, losing more and more wealth until all my capital is gone and I go bankrupt.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 16:05 | 422826 tmosley
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Think about what you are saying, and HOW the Chinese maintain their dollar peg.

Their government buys ALL the dollars that come in, and prints yuan according to their peg and hands them back those same Yuan. How exactly is a cessation of money printing going to cause their currency to lose value?

Further, how is their government going to keep getting dollars to US treasuries?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 09:31 | 424823 fearsomepirate
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The most important question is, "And who is going to buy US Treasuries?"


Bueller?  Bueller?

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:16 | 422632 Trimmed Hedge
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I just came back from China.

They are kicking our asses over there!

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:19 | 422634 MsCreant
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What? Making bad loans? Building buildings no one needs? Blowing a real estate bubble? Appointing short little trolls to their treasury/fed? Striking?

Be specific regarding how they are kicking our asses.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:33 | 422645 Popo
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Well, see ...they can get their peasants to do a full day's work for nothing but a bowl of rice.

That kicks ass!

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:30 | 422650 thesapein
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They just don't looks so bad because we are so much worse.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 13:18 | 422684 TBT or not TBT
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Your forgot to add:  growing old fast?  murdering female infants?  Being a murderous dictactorship?

Sun, 06/20/2010 - 00:35 | 423143 Bear
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They are so smart that they even own 1 trillion of our treasuries.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 09:32 | 424827 fearsomepirate
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When your starting point is Maoism, switching to a backward, fascist, mixed economy is an infinity percent improvement.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:29 | 422646 thesapein
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I'm not impressed. Beating up a dying man who is already choking on his own vomit, doesn't make you superman. China just looks so great compared to us.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 14:50 | 422767 dnarby
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More like beating up on a brilliant and powerful person who is hobbled by a bad drinking problem...  But who is about to sober up.

The Chinese can't come up with an original idea to save their hive-mind souls.  Must be mercantilism is genetic.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 16:12 | 422834 thesapein
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Keep telling yourself that.

Right, lol, Americans are so original. We don't look like a hive from the inside.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 20:14 | 422998 doggings
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The Chinese can't come up with an original idea to save their hive-mind souls.

honestly, how ignorant.  it actually reminds me of:

"what have the Romans ever done for us eh?"

er, the compass..  paper-making, paper, printing, fireworks, tea, kites,the fire lance, land mine, naval mine, hand cannon, exploding cannonballs, multistage rocket, and rocket bombs with aerodynamic wings and explosive payloads, coffins, bells, fermented beverages.

..oh, and paper money. 


5000 years of history as opposed to what will be remembered as America's 15 minutes of fame ;)



Sat, 06/19/2010 - 21:17 | 423029 dnarby
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Sorry, I forgot that the Chinese invented the printing press, calculus, the assembly line, radio wave communications, the telephone, the internal combustion engine, alternating current, electric motors, nuclear power, the transistor, integrated circuits, robotics, chaos theory, particle accelerators, communication & GPS satellites, space travel and teh Internets.

Seriously, can you name anything they have invented in the last 100 years?



Sun, 06/20/2010 - 20:28 | 424178 thesapein
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Name one thing you've invented in your entire life.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 12:33 | 425082 doggings
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haha spoken like a true "patriot"

well they also wrote the definitive book on war


seven thousand years before you sons of potato pickers even got to the Red Indian's land a mere blink-of-an-eye ago in what will become the annals of history

So I dont really think your bunch of cowboy muppets have much hope in the long run, economically, politically or military, they're out-strategising you daily. ;)

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 12:53 | 425108 doggings
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haha spoken like a true "patriot"

well they also wrote the definitive book on war


edit 2 1/2 (doh) thousand years before your lot even got to the Red Indian's land a mere blink-of-an-eye ago in what will become the annals of history

So I dont really think your bunch of cowboy muppets have much hope in the long run, economically, politically or military, they're out-strategising you daily. ;)

Sun, 06/20/2010 - 16:55 | 423990 Gold...Bitches
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Kites and Coffins? Kites and Coffins? Yes, its time to be afraid of the juggernaut that is China...

Sun, 06/20/2010 - 20:34 | 424183 thesapein
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Actually, if you look at their newest art of war, which makes most of our navy obsolete, there is much to fear. An enemy that can take out your satellites (blind you) and sink your navy without even calling any soldiers to arms is maybe someone to fear.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:20 | 422635 anony
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I don't believe there is a government statement made for public consumption anywhere in this galaxy that has one scintilla of credibility.

The governments of the world are infested with humanoids missing a truthiness gene, and as a result are congenital liars, gypsies, tramps, and thieves.

In another universe they would all inhabit the ninth ring of hell.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 13:52 | 422712 dabug
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Nothing wrong with Tramps or Gypsies, what are you a bigot? name calling is fun huh?

Sun, 06/20/2010 - 11:32 | 423559 Bam_Man
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gypsies, tramps, and thieves

Thanks a lot.

Now I have to listen to Cher sing that inside my head for the rest of the day.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:23 | 422642 LoneStarHog
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I see the Chinese masters are playing with their Little Tiny Tim speaking doll (Made in China).  They just love pulling the string that is stragetically placed up his ass to hear him say, "We welcome China’s decision to increase the flexibility of its exchange rate."

Makes America proud to have Little Tiny Tim as Secretary of the Treasury.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:29 | 422647 Atomizer
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Avinash Persaud discusses the debate on financial regulation, the role and mandate of the Financial Stability Board ( FSB) and its relationship with the G20 at CIGI's Issues for 2010 Summits conference (May 2010). Avinash Persaud is the Chairman of Intelligence Capital Limited, which he established in 2005.


Implementing the Europe 2020 Strategy: Key Next Steps

Wake up peasants. Don't cry a river of tears once these changes are implemented.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 14:01 | 422719 dnarby
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I'm not sure what you took away, but it looks to me like Freegold is coming.


Sat, 06/19/2010 - 16:46 | 422862 breezer1
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can't be stopped. will be a big jump also in silver.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:41 | 422656 thesapein
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About time.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:44 | 422658 AnAnonymous
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China is taking risks there. As the peg might not deliver the expected result, they put themselves a target in their back.

Because what is it going to be next time? The US since the beginning has always blamed others. In the end, the US will tell that the problem is China.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 13:24 | 422689 TBT or not TBT
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In the end, China will not just know it has huge impending problems, it will be a miserable mess of unprecedented scale, and scale is about all that will differentiate it from previous historical collapses seen elsewhere in history.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 16:35 | 422852 AnAnonymous
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The biggest problem for China at present times is the US. Today, China complies. And tomorrow, the US might come as well that due to their strengthened currency, China is consuming too much.


Looks like China is going to take the blame for the disastrous consequences of the US policy.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 12:52 | 422661 Kali
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China's powerhouse was its cheap labor, now threatened.  It seems the workers are not willing to carry that load anymore.  One of the most interesting items I find is what is stated in the Guardian article, the workers are organizing on their own, outside of the Unions and the Party.


China powerbrokers fear the masses as much as the powerbrokers do here in the US or Europe.

I cannot find the link for my next statement, it was from a couple years ago (?).  It was an interesting tidbit, that the Chinese bought a 15 or 20% interest in the Rothschild Bank.  I thought that was amazing, that China was allowed to come in the fold and that China would want to.

So, what my question is, what makes you think the powers that be in China are not part of the global elite plan?  They have followed the same track as the Europeans and the US, albeit, in a much more closed society.  As MsCreant stated above, how are they different?  All part of the same game, with the same people.


Sat, 06/19/2010 - 13:05 | 422671 Trimmed Hedge
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"China powerbrokers fear the masses as much as the powerbrokers do here in the US or Europe."


Nobody fears the masses, son.

The lower classes of the entire world have been pussified.

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 14:08 | 422723 bank guy in Brussels
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Not really true in Continental Europe, where people have not been repressed and beaten down over years by the insidious Anglo-American type legal systems which function as extortion rackets against the people.

You saw the reality in Greece. We still have the heritage of the French revolution here, and people are intrinsically ready to spontaneously assemble into a huge mob, demonstrate, riot, and somewhat burn the place down if they feel they are pushed hard enough.

That is part of why it is much nicer to live here, governments on the Continent still fear the governed.

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