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After BofA Escalates, Refuses To Process Wikileaks' Payments, Wiki Retaliates, Advises Americans To Put Their Money "Somewhere Safer"

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Bank of America just fired the preemptive escalation shot in its duel with Wikileaks. Late on Friday, America's biggest mortgage lender, and the firm that is now getting sued left and right for various mortgage transgressions, announced it is joining MasterCard, Paypal and Visa in ceasing transactions for Wikileaks. While this decision will certainly not improve Operation Anonymous' empathy toward the North Carolina bank, it may just precipitate overt retaliation by Assange, who is now rumored to be in possession of data that could provie harmful to BAC. Which is why this sudden escalation out of left field by the bank strikes as surprisingly odd: BofA's upside is very limited while its downside could be 100% - even if Wikileaks is bluffing, why provoke them. And as expected, Wikileaks has already retaliated: in two sequential tweets it advised its 568,117 (and very rapidly growing) subscribers to pull their money out of Bank of America, and also to close all their accounts with the firm, urging them to put their money "somewhere safer." What is curious is to see whether this sudden escalation, in what has now become synonymous with a quest for preserving the first amendment for a substantial deal of people (and freedom of speech globally), will have a far broader impact than the comparable "Pull Your Money" out of the Big Banks venture that was attempted by Huffington Post over a year ago, with unsatisfactory results. If people suddenly personify Bank of America with a First Amendment threat, arguably the one freedom most cherished in America, which is precisely what Assange is trying to do, all bets for the Countrywide acquirer may soon be off.

Below is Bank of America's statement released on Friday night:

#000000; background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">"Bank of America joins in the actions previously announced by MasterCard, PayPal, Visa Europe and others and will not process transactions of any type that we have reason to believe are intended for WikiLeaks," the bank said in a statement.

"This decision is based upon our reasonable belief that WikiLeaks may be engaged in activities that are, among other things, inconsistent with our internal policies for processing payments."

Concurrently the bank was declined to comment whether it would be Wikileaks' next target.

This press release by Bank of America provoked the following two tweets out of @wikileas' twitter account:

Obviously it is the conditional "safer" keyword that will get everyone's attention. Especially since it is now known that Wikileaks will release it bank data trove as soon as January.

In retaliation to BofA's provocation, it appears that Assange just fired the preliminary shot in the massive run on Bank of America... and possible soon other US banks?

 


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Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Dkizzle49855
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I would love to witness a good old fashioned bank run.  Bank run bitchez!

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Malcolm Tucker
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Better come prepared. It will probably look like this:

http://fedupmontrealer.blogspot.com/2010/12/canada-beware-of-coming-police-state.html

 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:02 | Link to Comment illyia
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That video was devastating.

... thanks...

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:39 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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I'm still crying. Someone explain to me what they were doing wrong, what the justification was for that? I know they can't but those cops had to believe something in order to be doing what they did.

I wrote more. I deleted it. 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:52 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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"just followin' orders, ma'am" you wanna know about 'justification'? hahaha. as to what the cops "believed"? well that's a doozy.... a rule of thumb (in ordinary circumstance) is one's actions reflect one's beliefs. BUT, once mob-think takes over, all bets are off. It's a puzzler. I'll point out "brotherhood" among cops is a phenomenon. Wonder if anybody's researched this exact episode, or general confronts. Speaking in strict pragmatism, regardless of circumstance, I'd wager that 90%+ of the time, the cops "win", as long as there's more than 3 of 'em together..... sadly, need more "data points" to extrapolate future of USA

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 21:53 | Link to Comment Billy Shears
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Didn't they hang miscreants like this at Nuremberg for the very same reason under the legal construct of "crimes against humanity".

More like droogs out of Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange. You know:

  • "The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultraviolence."

""One thing I could never stand was to see a filthy dirty old drunky howling away at the filthy songs of his fathers and going blurp blurp in between as it might be a filthy old orchestra in his stinking rotten guts;I could never stand to see anyone like that. whatever his age might be, but more especially when he was real old like this one was.

Irish Drunk: Can you spare some cutter me brothers? Go on, do me in, you bastards like this, I don't want to live in a stinking old world like this" Alex: "Oh? And What's so stinking about it?

 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 06:50 | Link to Comment ConfederateH
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You people should realize that there will be a lot more of this coming.  Never, I repeat NEVER, get between a public union member and his paycheck.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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"but those cops had to believe something in order to be doing what they did"

Fascism.

Plain and simple.

 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:53 | Link to Comment RichardP
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You are making it too complicated.  They only need to believe in their paychecks.  Such is the banality of evil.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:59 | Link to Comment oddjob
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The Mayerthorpe incident proves how truly inept they are when not fighting on home court.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 16:21 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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attack the cops homes and family while they are out beating hippies - see how they feel with their mercenary gains then

 

they have to live in the village too right??

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 01:47 | Link to Comment Widowmaker
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Bingo  -- and let not enfarcement forget that.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 18:38 | Link to Comment Squid-puppets a...
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yes, but what belief system did they posess that led them to a career choice, above other options, in which they would knowingly be called upon to act like that???

comes back to fascism, proto fascism or a disregard for fascism

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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They like it.  Police departments attract bullies.  Did you see this video, where the cop pushed that disabled woman down on the street and then they just walked off and left her lying there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VIA8tn5B68

 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 03:58 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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this is true.  the department does attract bullies, sadists and those with low self-esteem who wish to overcompensate.  i was sucker punched in high school (almost killed me six months and forty years later -- other stories).  the guy became a career police officer.  i was also brutalized by another in a false arrest.

the department also attracts relatively kind people who deeply believe in protecting the defenseless and work selflessly and bravely to do so.  seems (to me) that it would really be worth it to try hard to distinguish these groups (and excellently train and offer great incentives to the "undecided"), refusing to give society's sanction to use violence to the bullies, etc.  that this is done so poorly and rarely says a great deal about our masters.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:33 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Ostensibly a good idea, but you are forgetting that the police serve two functions, requiring both sorts of cops:

i) legitimate law enforcement (protecting the citizens from predators), and

ii) protecting predators (ie, TPTB) from citizens.

This is one of the great strokes of genius by TPTB, because if you criticise police brutality, they twist it to mean you're some kind of anarchist.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 01:40 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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I am an anarchist.

Security workers hired in a free market would be less likely to commit acts of brutality than government forces because the private responders would be less willing to beat their employers. Government security workers are beholden to the political class and not the taxpayers and have no problem beating mundanes like you and me.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:28 | Link to Comment UGrev
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an unfortunate amount of law enforcement officers think they are immune because they wear a badge. They continue this thought pattern for so long that they eventually think they can also be judge dredd. I'm not saying this goes for all cops, but so far all but 1 cop that I've met has behaved like this. It's a gradual process and they are dangerous because this has become their daily thought process. It's decades worth of conditioning... to make them think WE ARE ALL CRIMINALS FIRST before we are innocent civilians. 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:40 | Link to Comment macholatte
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It was not cops who committed murder at Kent State, it was the National Guard. Other students and young people just like the ones protesting. A clash of belief systems.

Five to one, baby
One in five
No one here gets out alive, now
You get yours, baby
I'll get mine
Gonna make it, baby
If we try

The old get old
And the young get stronger
May take a week
And it may take longer
They got the guns
But we got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah
We're takin' over
Come on!

 

      -- The Doors

 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 16:47 | Link to Comment UGrev
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my point still stands. 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 18:03 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Five to one, baby
One in five

 

Five to one is equivalent to one in six.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 04:13 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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and in "touch me" morrison writes "for you and i", clearly incorrect (google the lyric "for you and i" and note his company).  still quite a lyricist and one of the half dozen or so best male rock singers of all time (imo).  "peace frog" comes to mind for this thread.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 13:49 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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If you reference Shakespeare note that he uses the phrase "for you and I" correctly:

"For you and I are past our dancing days." Break it down. You are past your dancing days. I am past my dancing days.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:57 | Link to Comment tmosley
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The Lucifer Effect.  Poorly designed social structures cause good people to become evil.  This is best exemplified in prisons, where guards who might be good people on the outside become abusive sadists on the inside, because of social pressure to fulfill a certain role.  The social structure within society in general, and police organizations in particular has broken down so much that in many cases, the entire outside world has in effect become a prison, where they are the guards.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 16:37 | Link to Comment macholatte
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your premise is that people are good to begin with. Freud disagreed.

 

Civilized society is perpetually menaced with disintegration through this primary hostility of men towards one another.
Sigmund Freud
I have found little that is "good" about human beings on the whole. In my experience most of them are trash, no matter whether they publicly subscribe to this or that ethical doctrine or to none at all. That is something that you cannot say aloud, or perhaps even think.
Sigmund Freud
Sat, 12/18/2010 - 18:04 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Freud was a screwball.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 19:21 | Link to Comment tmosley
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People are inherently good as individuals.  It is exceedingly rare that a human being will initiate aggression absent of destructive social pressures.  Fear and a sense of fair play are inherent in humans.  Both regulate human behavior, and are very difficult to overcome.  If it weren't, humans wouldn't be able to form complex societies.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 20:46 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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"People are inherently good as individuals."

sure. until they get hungry.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 21:49 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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I subscribe to the 51% Good, 49 % Evil theory.  Explains why thus far we have not experienced a nuclear armageddon. 

One of those curious numbers/universe ratios thingies. 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 10:20 | Link to Comment Clinteastwood
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"People are inherently good as individuals."

BS.

Tmosley, you have not one iota of experience with prisoners/guards.  You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 10:38 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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The arguments about human nature, being born good or evil, nurture versus nature, are all as old as language. One opinion does not triumph over another, but I'm with Tmosley on this one. Maybe all of our opinions of others are merely projections of ourselves.

 

People are inherently good until their flight/fight instincts are released. And when I say "People", I mean individuals outside prisons, mental hospitals, and other institutions, like the CIA, where morals are not pertinent to living.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 12:06 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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I must disagree.  Just take a peek in to any daycare or preschool.  People are inherently selfish and mean.  Good behavior is learned.  The majority of parenting is reducing your children's baser instincts.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 12:46 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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There is that too, which is undeniable. But there are many instances where the parents are irresponsible monsters but their child instinctively exhibits selfless, compassionate behaviour towards others. As I said, one opinion does not triumph over another. I guess it must all be a projection of our own experiences and upbringing.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 15:28 | Link to Comment RichardP
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Informed opinion will generally be more reliable than speculation.  Whether it triumphs over speculation is another matter entirely.

In a society where there is not enough food for all mouths, see whether the bullies or the docile are the ones who survive.  Extrapolate from that.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 13:54 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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People are inherently selfish and mean.

Selfishness is a virtue. It means that you won't let your own good nature be taken over by others who will convince you to do ill in the name of the church or the nation or some other collectivist nonsense.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 22:59 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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Freud also said women suffer from penis envy.

 

Freud may not have been a screwball as such, but he may as well have been one. It's only Americans who take him seriously (I wonder why?), but everyone knows his research was seriously flawed. What he knows about humanity, women, sexuality, and dreams comes from jewish ladies living in North London. That's it - that was his entire sample population to prop up the theories that were rejected in Vienna. 

 

Please don't quote Freud, if you don't wish to be associated with someone who fraudulently misrepresented his case studies all his life.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 04:20 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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and were they not self-selected (i.e. came as patients)?  still he had insights and broadened the discourse that came to define modernity.  "civilization and its discontents" is a fruitful read imo.  cautionary tale about tobacco and cocaine abuse as well.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 06:13 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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+1

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Unlawful Justice
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Ironic that you speak of fraud when it's you that is speaking it.  You are now on my junk list YHC-FTSE.

An excellent book:  Freud Scientifically reappraised - Testing the theories and therapy.  Seymour Fisher and Roger P. Greenberg.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 16:19 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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Obviously not a fan of Hans Eysenck then: The most cited psychologist in science journals. I suggest you read him before making false accusations. The fucking audacity of illiterate pricks like you sometimes amazes me. 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Unlawful Justice
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Pushed into a corner ALL humans are capable of unspeakable things.  Some can go further than others before they break.  The propaganda by religion only confuses the matter.  We are animals,  not some special creature made in gods image.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 17:30 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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We are animals,  not some special creature made in gods image.

 

And animals are not evil. So there it is.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Unlawful Justice
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An excellent example of morality in nature.

Battle at Kruger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

 

 

 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 18:55 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Morality?

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 16:22 | Link to Comment trav7777
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lol...you know what the cops did?  They were merely following orders.  ALL of them.

The Legislature or the Executive will purport to authorize or order them to do something which violates other laws, Constitutions, or basic human rights and they will do it.  ALL were "just following orders."

The worst part is that they EMBRACE those illegal orders with complete enthusiasm.  In fact, they sit around hoping for such orders so they can be the jackbooted thugs they want to be and then pass the buck off to someone up the chain.

The Ontario Legislature that authorized that shit should be indicted.

There was no justification.  They did it because they can.  Big protests EMBARRASS the self-absorbed, self-appointed "elite" leadership.  They get ribbed by other "leaders" like "oh you don't have your subjects in line, I see, this would never happen in OUR country."  Seriously.  These clowns have gotten so used to hearing themselves referred to as LEADERS instead of REPRESENTATIVES that they now act like they ARE the law.

And who can blame them?  At what point in recent history has there been ONE BIT of repercussions for anything like this?  Busch and his gang passed the whole torture thing off onto the opinion of a LAWYER.  As if because you can find one lawyer to tell you that something is legal, it absolves you from any criminal liability!

What this recent protest movement seems to show is that if you're going to assemble "peaceably," you'd better NOT actually be peaceable.  If you are, you will get stormtrooped.  If you show up to riot and with weapons and explosives, only THEN will you command any kind of deference from the "authorities."  These people are classic bullies; they respect only force.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 16:40 | Link to Comment macholatte
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agree with most of your statement untill the end....

 

What this recent protest movement seems to show is that if you're going to assemble "peaceably," you'd better NOT actually be peaceable.  If you are, you will get stormtrooped.  If you show up to riot and with weapons and explosives, only THEN will you command any kind of deference from the "authorities." 

 

see Ghandi & King 

                  it takes leadership to overcome.

 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 17:16 | Link to Comment trav7777
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King didn't overcome shit.  Ghandi didn't either.

Sure, if you're claiming independence from a depleted empire with no desire to keep you, the passive shit might work.

If you have an army of jew money behind your rights movement (of which you are a figurehead), passive shit might work too.

We have neither.

You may also contrast with the success of violent revolutions like the US's against empires that actually didn't want to just give in.

What is your problem that you have issues with violence?  Serf's mentality?  You would sit and watch the stormtroopers carry everyone off violently and just keep "overcoming"?  Peaceable assembly is a failure.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 19:26 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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does goi money work or must all the bills be circumcised? your historical causations can get unique 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 21:19 | Link to Comment trav7777
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who founded, funds, and ran all of the major "civil rights" organizations?  Which studios produced the "progressive" films?

Pull your head out of your ass.

King was nothing and neither were his followers.  Those who moved laws, opinion, and policy behind the scenes were the ones with the power.  Money talks.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 00:42 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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i never knew history was only a puppet show. the last time I checked the books, poor people use their mouth every now and then

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 03:48 | Link to Comment delacroix
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shit I thought he was referring to rodney king,  my bad

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 04:45 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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it's gandhi.  

you make good points about violence/non-violence.  they don't strike me as mutually exclusive.  the ira/sinn fein used both, so did the african national congress.  they each have their uses and, especially in an internetted/youtubed world, non-violence may be a bit more effective than it once was. however judging from the efficacy of ied's, guerilla warfare may favor the natives a touch more than it once did (internet helps there too).  

re: jews.  now were they nearly exclusively the slave traders and the power behind the abolition of slavery and jim crow as well?  how does that work?  different jews?  but what about a monolithic clan?  just kidding.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 11:18 | Link to Comment psychobilly
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Although Gandhi believed that the way of non-violence (which includes a willingness to sacrifice your own life for the cause) was the most courageous path, he believed it was better to resist with physical violence than to do nothing.  It wasn't violence he abhorred but cowardice and apathy.

 

 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 12:49 | Link to Comment Bolweevil
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Paraphrase Alert: Dalai Lama espoused similar sentiment in movie I saw, nonviolence until your life is threatened then fight. I was thankful for the clarification.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 16:55 | Link to Comment SRV - ES339
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I was in Toronto that week (maybe the most peaceful big city in North America) and the entire city was like a police state. They brought in thousands of "brothers and sisters" from across the country and it really was a siege mentality... they were in charge and EVERYONE was suspect (even days before the G20, and miles from the Convention Centre)... it was a disaster waiting to happen.

One (of the many) questionable moves was parking unlocked police cars in the streets around the Convention Centre in the protest area's with no police presence... they just watched them burn! Couldn't think of better justification for a little head bashing and various other "police state" activity.

That evening they just started arresting anyone and everyone, sitting on the ground with hands tied behind their backs on a cool rainy evening, while they "processed" them and filled a huge temporary holding area filled with small cages (yes cages) to hold law abiding citizens (including several journalists and producers... some caught on tape) for up to 48 hours... for simply being outside, in their own city.

Worst day in the history of a great city... if they ever try to bring the G20 to your city, I would suggest you start the protests right away... before they organise and morph into the police state mob... or better yet... just run!

Oh, and to your point MsCreant... they were no longer thinking as rational human beings... there was a group think mentality... it was them (10,000 officers) against anyone not wearing a uniform... shameful. Of course, the "investigation" (by the police) is "ongoing," and "rumored" to find the villains were the "unruly rabble!"

Oh Canada... never again!!!!!!

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 02:28 | Link to Comment digitalhermit
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One (of the many) questionable moves was parking unlocked police cars in the streets around the Convention Centre in the protest area's with no police presence... they just watched them burn! Couldn't think of better justification for a little head bashing and various other "police state" activity.

This was a deliberate and staged action, as was the placement of agent provocateurs in order to incite violence and discredit the protesters. Watch the video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOV_W6UnbE

Three Quebec Police Officers caught on youtube wearing masks, carrying rocks and posing as protestors.

 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Bolweevil
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Similar accusations were proposed regarding kids protesting peacefully in England regarding tuition hikes. Someone left an old police van in the middle of the area. Those kids used googlemaps to coordinate.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Batty Koda
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Did you wright that ALL the cops should be strung up alongside the bankers and politicians as soon as we overthrow this evil system? If so then there was no reason to delete it, they are scum, worse then the bankers in my opinion. I don't care if they're "just doing their jobs". You can bet that if one of their collegues tortured an innocent person to death in a cell they wouldn't have the guts to testify against them. Fucking pigs.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 21:27 | Link to Comment caconhma
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So far, major Wikileaks beneficiaries are America, UK, and Israel. Wikileaks is just a side-show similar to the Tea Party. 

My hunch is the Wikileaks operation is finished. Their employers are becoming nervous. Now Wikileaks operatives are running for their lives. They just know toooo much. The life insurance Wikileaks operatives have is to reveal their real employers.

Unfortunately, the Wikileaks affair tells me that, since the 9/11, America has made a giant step away from its Constitution and its democracy foundation. The Rubicon has been crossed.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:52 | Link to Comment Commander Cody
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Constitution?  Democracy?  Where have you been lately?

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:03 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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These NWO goons are child's play.

Remember how they used to fight wars in Europe?  Opposing armies would line up against each other like idiots and open fire.  That all changed in the American Revolutionary War.  The scrappy Americans realized how ridiculous it would be to try to go up against the much more organized and better armed British, the Empire itself.  And thus was born guerilla warfare (I'm sure the Americans didn't invent it but just play along).

So here we have the Empire vs. the Rebels.  What are the Rebels doing?  Trying to line up against the Empire and then emitting terrified screams and asking stupid questions like, "Why are you doing this?" when the Empire strikes back at their insolent protest.  This is no time for dumb hippies.

The Empire's strength lays upon a foundation of belief by those it holds captive that the Empire is All Knowing, All Seeing, All Powerful, when the opposite is true.  In reality, the Empire is weak.  And it knows it.  Its power rests on a fragile assumption of its legitimacy by those who wittingly or otherwise surrender their consent unto it.  Their tactics (like those depicted in the video on the link above) are becoming increasingly violent, and desperate.  They are trying to contain the genie in the bottle, but the lamp has been rubbed.

Genie says:

"When you go to protest, and when shocktroops of the Empire are expected to be present, you would be remiss to not bring along ten compatriots each carrying a bucket filled with steel ball bearings.  Your cadre would be incomplete without ten more friends carrying flasks filled with motor oil.  When the Empire's minions begin their advance, ten with balls come forward in their path and dump them all over the theater, then fall back into the mass.  Behind the front line of your compatriots will those who hold the oil squirt it over their heads and drench the field of spheres with slickness.  Then shall you watch and laugh at the riotous scene that falls before you.  Be sure cameras are rolling, for the Revolution shall be televised, and the humiliation of the Empire will hasten its delegitimization."

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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CHUMBA!!!!!!!!  Ha, good to see you hanging around.  I have to tell you that I remember seeing, on this forum nonetheless, a post -

"...fill up some balloons with paint as to toss and obscure their view from their little helmets and shields."

I about shit myself when I saw dozens of paint filled balloon flying at the UK Student protest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRKcPZt61SQ

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:53 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Ah, yes, that's the stuff.  The incendiary device was a nice touch.

I especially liked the part where the cop gets trampled by one of his own (though truth be told, my guess is that the horse would've rather been off in a pasture somewhere chillin').

Think low-tech: wander the aisles of your hardware and drug store and let your mind follow suit.  The Empire has given us all we need to defeat them.  All we must do is supply the courage to act.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:28 | Link to Comment PolishErick
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Well, I think that when the shit hits the fan teyll just do what they did here in Poland a couple of times- start shooting... I salute all protesters, but I think paint baloons and ball bearings just wont do against 5.56 rounds and speeding trucks (see 0:47s of the vid below for reference)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOrP2srt-5w&feature=related

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:45 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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I'm not sure about Poland*, but I guarantee you that if they start shooting at us this time, bullet for bullet, every round will be returned.  There will not be a repeat of Kent State.

I am Chumbawamba.

* In celebration of your heritage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussar#Heavy_hussars_of_the_Polish-Lithuani...

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Azannoth
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Poland is a very bad example, it's 1 of the few countries in history to "voluntary" let it self be taken apart by neighboring powers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland), I say that in quotes because they let that happen to them by getting fat dumb and happy so be warned this could happen in the USA

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:03 | Link to Comment PolishErick
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I think You should say- its happening already.. all over not only in the US...

 

And what if Wikileaks dumps a heap of burning truth on the facade of BOA (and perhaps the rest of the system)... If Joe Sixpack wont understand or eaven listen and leave his money there, they will be just fine.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 19:00 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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well said. americans are naive children in the theatre of history  

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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This is very true.  The country has never been invaded or even attacked by conventional forces, never occupied... most countries in the world have had far more difficult history (and have learned from it).

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 04:59 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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the civil war set the standard for brutality in the nineteenth century.  also the british burnt the white house in the war of 1812.  but lately?  not so much.  santayana had an apropos observation on not learning from history.

p.s. great to hear from the one who will not obey.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 19:44 | Link to Comment Eally Ucked
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You'll better not present your ignorant opinions about other countries, without proper studies. When your education in history of those countries is completed then we will have some discussion, for now just study what money can buy, how it is used and what has happend to America.  

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:00 | Link to Comment PolishErick
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Hah, why thank You Chumba- I think a regiment of Hussars would do nicely against a couple lines of plastic-clad, mace armed jackboots.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:38 | Link to Comment moregoldplease
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The students fired first

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 19:23 | Link to Comment tmosley
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You forgot the "quotes".

The "students" fired first.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 00:51 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Stephen DeVoy's The Virtures of a Disorganized Resistance

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/6-21-03/discussion.cgi.30.html

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:44 | Link to Comment macholatte
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Its power rests on a fragile assumption of its legitimacy by those who wittingly or otherwise surrender their consent unto it.

There you have it in a nut shell.

The propaganda machine is alive and well. Huffington Post is a Soros tentacle. The youth are the past, the future and the present. Bullet proof, naive, full of energy, easily herded and exploited. Protesting an increase in tuition while their future has been taken away is a symptom of motivation by self interest. Will it be a catalyst? Cut the tuition back and they all go home? Revolution over.

 

The Vietnam war is a great example. Managed perfectly by the Empire until the American middle class woke up. Once Mom & Dad realized it wasn't WW2 and the students were right about the criminality the Empire had to wiggle a way out. Kennedy started it. Johnson massaged it. Nixon and Kissinger worked it for political gain. McNamera eventually spilled some of the beans, etc. The Empire learned and gave birth to Bin Laden, Sad Man Insane and the propagation of The Never Ending War has become reality while the world is awash in a sea of heroin & other drugs.

 

Do those students understand?

 

 

 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 05:18 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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don't give all the credit to kennedy.  

john foster dulles and ike (i like to think in a moment of weakness and political cynicism, like adding "under god" to the pledge) bear first u.s. responsibility, unless you start counting woodrow wilson at versailles, but that's asking a lot.  

they could have put the bad boy to rest when the french got whipped in '54.  but oh noooo. they had to kick the can down the road, not shake ho chi minh's hand in geneva and deny his country the independence for which he had been striving, first peacefully then otherwise, since at least 1919. 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:35 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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What the fuck?

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 16:29 | Link to Comment trav7777
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yep...what I just said too.

Peaceable Assembly is a joke.  If you are going to go out there, you better be prepared for a Violent Assembly, otherwise, don't go out.

Look at the fucking cops facing you...do THEY look like THEY are prepared for a PEACEABLE assembly??  Or, are they girded up for violent conflict?  They came looking for violent conflict and they will IMPOSE THAT on you if you happen to be in their way.

Only once citizens start grabbing the other thug cops and ripping them apart, start firing back, start clubbing back, start giving the thugs the only thing they will respect and show deference to, aka violence, will the "authorities" take anyone seriously.

Peaceable assembly is like being a reporter in a free-fire zone with an Apache camera on you.  They are looking for ANY plausible deniability excuse to go weapons free and put 20mm bursts onto you.  ANY excuse.  As long as they can claim with a straight face they thought you were armed or posed a threat, any passable story, they are licking their chops to light you up.  So don't go out.

Assembling peaceably requires the "authorities" to cooperate.  These hippies are woefully naive.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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Change comes with a plan, not a placard.

Protests are only effective in places where other people will hear about them and share the emotions. This can't happen in America anymore because the media either ignores them or changes the reality of the event through selective editing to fit the corporate need.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 05:25 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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but has the media the stranglehold they once had on the channels of information distribution?  the greater the spread from msm fantasy to lived reality ("cog. dis."), the greater the appeal and power of the new ways of knowing.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Bolweevil
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Social media works(unless they pull the plug). MSM is losing relevance.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 18:56 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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make sure everyone is carrying about 5 or 6 of these to burn out a few cop retinas

http://www.instructables.com/id/Laser-Flashlight-Hack!!/

 

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 02:25 | Link to Comment Widowmaker
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You will be shot or tazed using one of these. The way to fight is to fight, not try to poke in the eyes. 

Get yourself snapple bottles refilled with your favorite flammable, and a few cigarette butts to flick.  A t-shirt sleeve will also convert the bottle into a vehicle-immobilization device.

Bear spray works very well to disburse enfarcement lines into chaos.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 19:47 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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"It's all ball bearings these days."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6E3r8F2O7I

 

 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 23:10 | Link to Comment fuu
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Chumbawamba bitches

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:10 | Link to Comment snowball777
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By 'prepared', do you mean BYOH (bring your own hammer)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-h-YIj4jRw

 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Eman Laer
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Don't assume that you know the motives of a masked "protester" 

 

http://wsm.ie/c/secret-police-dublin-protesters-ictu

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Azannoth
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If you plan to take part in any protests that involve such heavy police presence be prepared (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07jnqD8wvyE) if a police guy tried to drag me away like they did to those protesters, hed end up with a broken arm or dead

or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqKB4cMQRbg)

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:15 | Link to Comment DollarMenu
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Thank you for your post, Malcolm.

The more this is exposed, the better chance we all have.

This is the stuff that belongs on MSM,

but we know it will not be there,

and we know why.

 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:46 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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"Better come prepared. It will probably look like this:"

 

Watch and learn from the Greek protesters of late - they were lighting the cops on fire.  Interesting tactic.  Any LEO's in the crowd? Tell me how you're feeling about the situation?  You've got a tough job - dual mandate.  Following orders and moral compass.

This question is coming from a friend of LEO.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 17:47 | Link to Comment chinaguy
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Mix a few handfuls of Styrofoam packing beads in with the gas & it gets more interesting. shoot a few citizens & the LRs come out. Lock the city down for what began as a peacful protest.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 00:59 | Link to Comment OldPhart
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MIx some liquid detergent into the fuel and you have homemade napalm.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 01:00 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Mix the gas with liquid detergent and you've got napalm.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 03:56 | Link to Comment delacroix
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orange juice concentrate

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 05:28 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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and write your congressperson.  just kidding.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 08:09 | Link to Comment Grimbaldus The ...
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I think 'light' your congresscritter would certainly be more apt in this instance.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 16:14 | Link to Comment trav7777
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The best part was the Ontario Legislature purporting to pass an ordinance in secret which authorized violation of basic rights.  I'm not up to speed on Canada's basic rights, but for a legislature to claim to pass a law permitting the police to ignore them...that is criminal.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 17:12 | Link to Comment macholatte
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was there ever a society that, instead of hanging just one ruler, grabbed the whole lot and wasted them?

 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 17:20 | Link to Comment trav7777
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what happened to the Ghandi shit?  He didn't hang anyone.  He just sat there and "overcame."

Ghandi is the most overrated person in history.  There were about a dozen "independence" movements that took place in those years without shots being fired.  Hell, Brazil had gone independent from Portugal a hundred years earlier with no issues.  When the empire is depleted, independence is easy.

Sure, if the government collapses, you'll be allowed to peaceably assemble wherever you want.  In the meantime if you expect to be able to avail yourself of your "right" to peaceably assemble, you should expect to be disappointed.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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There were about a dozen "independence" movements that took place in those years without shots being fired.

Maybe, but did THEY get their own MOVIE? No, I didn't think so. If you don't have a movie, you're nobody.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 05:42 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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i believe there were at least a few shots fired, even in the raj (certainly were upon independence, but that's another story).

imo there's a real tension-filled dynamic at work in bringing what now may seem to be radical change to "advanced" countries, especially where there are still elections, although quite rigged and compromised.  

to persuade the many uninformed undecided, some police riots, especially against the non-resisting, can be an effective first step once the undecided are made sufficiently uncomfortable by circumstance (poverty, fear of unemployment/wage cuts, etc., a draft).  hard on the non-resisting though, as you note.  doubt john stewart's exercise fit the bill.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 02:17 | Link to Comment Widowmaker
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You can't possibly mean Florida in 2000.   Not even a whimper from the complacent masses over mafia rule.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 01:05 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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That would have been the French.  They started with the aristocracy - all of them that they could catch.  

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 03:57 | Link to Comment delacroix
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french revolution

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 18:48 | Link to Comment GeoffreyT
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Thoreau put it best (in Civil Disobedience):

[5]   The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus,(7) etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt.

 Or, to paraphrase an Australian friend of mine (@JoyceLowenstein) on Twitter the other day: "anyone wearing an official insignia is an enemy of mankind"

Cheerio

 

GT

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 19:58 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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Scary, hadn't seen that before.  I live near Canada and I generally tended think of the place as a more benign, saner version of the USA, but I've after watching that clip I'm not so sure.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 21:25 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Canadians are pussies.

They argue FOR gun control and this stupid shit.  They all stood there like WTF, I thought we were in Canada

Well, good morning bitchez, this is Canada now while you were all wearing your heads in your asses.

You come out to be peaceable faced by people dressed for war, why are you surprised when they fuck you up?

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 21:02 | Link to Comment bobboberson
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These fucking police need to be fucking beat down. I can't wait until they're outnumbered. I will be watching those videos with joy!

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Bolweevil
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You need to assert yourself some more Bob, staring at the teevee while people are getting beat on is no help at all regardless of whose side you're on. (Unless that was sarcasm?)

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 04:17 | Link to Comment Chris88
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Thats shocking!  The government using violence/force against people not committing aggression is...oh wait, thats how the government exists to begin with.  Nevermind.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 10:38 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Why would anyone run from the Blight on America banks?  I mean come on, it isn't like they swallowed a great big bucket full of toxic loan paperwork that they are still hiding and, as far as anyone can tell so far, is just a pile of papers signifying absolutely nothin' because hairdressers with crayons certified and authenticated the papers.  What's wrong with that?

And what's wrong with Mortgage Backed Securities [MBS]?  I mean never mind that BS appears in that acronym, and never mind that bogus loans were pleged multiple times to multiple mBS instruments.  Who cares?

And who cares if the Blight on America banks are now engaged in burying the bad news while simultaneously hiring corrupt judges to fast track the disposal of Crayola Authenticated paperwork while kicking Mr. And Mrs. Average Joe out on to the street so that the Blight of America banks could just go all, "We are finding very few inconsistencies within our MBS policy framework....blah...blah...blah," so that they could simply pretend everything is cool and keep their jobs where, when they are not destroying the real estate market, they are otherwise rocking and rolling at the Roach Motel [SPY] chucking back free drinks paid for by Average Joe and, mabye destroying confidence in the stock market...TOO.

I mean seriously, why wouldn't you go ahead and sign up for a savings account at .1% interest and trust them with your money?  After all, and everything else said, there is like 180,000 of them sitting around trading treasuries with The Bernank using counterfit US greenbacks...so...what's the problem with these guys?  Someone is going to finally make a really good case that I should not bank at the Blight on America.  'Cause I just don't see it yet, I guess.

Cdad

 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:04 | Link to Comment billhilly
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Game on bitchez!

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:39 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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Two interesting points (and an excellent end-of-the-year summation at the site below):

http://www.eatthestate.org/top-10-economic-stories-of-2010/

In 2008 and 2009, the Federal Reserve functioned as the central bank for the entire world. Documents pried from the Federal Reserve in November show that dozens of foreign banks and an astonishing number of foreign governments lined up to get handouts from the Fed, who kept its client list a deeply protected secret. The recipients included most of Europe’s major banks: Barclay’s Bank, Bank of Scotland, RBS, Societe Generale, Dresdner Bank, Bayerische Landesbank, and Dexia. Also on the list are the central banks of Australia, Denmark, Mexico, Norway, Switzerland, SWEDEN, South Korea, Britain, and Japan.”

Also interesting item about the Social Democrat Party (their terminology in svenska, not mine) in Sweden:

In the same Olof Palme Centre which houses the offices of the Social Democrat Party, one also finds nearby the offices of the National Endowment for Democracy. (The N.E.D. just happens to be funded by the US government, through the US State Department, and was set up by President Reagan in 1983 as a civilian extension to covert activities overseas.)

A deep pattern analysis of the law firm, relatively costly and which volunteered to represent the two female accusers in Sweden (one of whom left the country quite some time ago, as first reported at Zerohedge), named Borgstrom and Bodstrom, suggests a law firm similar  to Baker and Botts, Patton Boggs, Arnold Porter.

These guys aren't quite what they appear to be on the surface; not be a long shot.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Rick64
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  The devil is always in the details.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 07:43 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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What a coincidence!

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:44 | Link to Comment mberry8870
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No you wouldn't.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 16:40 | Link to Comment eatthebanksters
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I would love to see those blood sucking TBTF vampire leech squids go down.  They have sucked the life out of so many people with criminal behavior and then when they got in trouble spending OTHER peoples money, the government bails them out with our (taxpayer) money...so those fuckers can get their multimillion dollar bonuses.  So Temmeh Geithner wants to protect the banks because of derivative exposure....something like $750 trillion in worldwide exposure, world GDP is $70 trillion...Chase derivative exposure alone is $80 trillion or $228,571 per man woman and child in our country (based on a population of 350 million).  How did this happen.  These fuckers out to be locked up or executed for crimes against humanity.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Calvin Jones an...
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We'll find out one thing.  Who has the bigger pimp hand?  Julian Assange or The Ben Bernank.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:40 | Link to Comment no life
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Bang Dae Ho!

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:41 | Link to Comment dabullify
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With all of the shit these scumbags have pulled in the last few years, what could Wiki leaks possibly reveal that would surprise anyone.....

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:47 | Link to Comment TheProphet
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That The Benbernank is actually a woman...?

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:49 | Link to Comment papaswamp
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But The Bernank has a nice beard...

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:53 | Link to Comment yabyum
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So does my great aunt.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:11 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Goonie goo-hoo, Gus.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Neo
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She's got a mustacchhheee!!!

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:00 | Link to Comment gravitas
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hmmm... I always thought it looked a little too prosthetic. The ultimate cover-up.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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I'm all for facial hair but that beard is hiding something.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 01:09 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Does it hide a weak chin?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 01:02 | Link to Comment OldPhart
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That's due to the repeated facelifts.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:59 | Link to Comment HeavyHand
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That The Ben Bernank is actually a robot.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Byte Me
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That B B follows the Koran ipv the Torah??

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:44 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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anyone who still has money with a tbtf isn't paying attention. patriots don't bank with the skank.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Rick64
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 Exactly, don't support any of them in any way.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Bearster
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With all due respect (and I agree with most of your posts on other threads), your thinking on this one is very narrow.

If you hold fiat money, you are participating.  It does not matter if you do business with whomever is "the" skank du jour--it's a skanky system!

The entire basis of the currency is nothing more than faith in a ponzi scheme.  There is no way to opt out of it entirely, as paper currency is enforced on everyone by force (this is the theme that I am trying to hammer home on every threat about regulation).  You can't opt out!  Yes, of course, get physical gold and silver.  But if you want to buy food, pay rent, buy clothes, fuel, etc., you need to keep some fiat money.

I think it is a distraction to debate where to keep that fiat, whether BAC, JPM, or some unknown non-tbtf who could be closed by the FDIC tomorrow and you can't see it coming because they are overstating their "assets" by 60%...

The solution is: don't keep so much money in fiat currency that you have to worry about which skanky bank to keep it in.

And, by the way, to call BAC a threat to freedom of speech both misses the real problem and makes an Everest out of a molehill.  Worry that we have an army of millions of government regulators, central planners, and other government do-gooders running around doing, uhh, not-so-good things, and then declaring everything to be Classified Information.  Worry that government has the power to dominate every aspect of our lives--and its power is growing due to popular demand from every front.  Virtually everyone except the anarchists want MORE regulation.  Worry that our Constitutional Republic has degenerated into a Democracy and is further degenerating into some kind of fascism (i.e. the system of nominally private ownership but public control).

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:21 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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If you hold fiat money, you are participating.  It does not matter if you do business with whomever is "the" skank du jour--it's a skanky system!

 

Agreud.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Yes, one must use the "legal tender". Still, what is being done here has ramifications for all of us. Bank of Skank is denying access to the system we are required to use. What is the difference between Assange and you or I? 

When will it be our turn? 

The only language banks understand is money. Just as they despise silver and gold as it denies them access to the leveraging of wealth (hoarding), we have the same opportunity to reward banks and punish banks through our deposits and use of services. 

While I would prefer more militant methods, this is something any joe can do and it has power.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:28 | Link to Comment traderjoe
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I agree that it is the system. And I agree very much with the idea of holding as little fiat as possible. 

But, I do think it matters where and how the money is stored. And I think the idea of American consumers actually considering the ramifications of their individual purchases and business relationships to be a relevant method of protest. 

We are coming at the "starve the beast" question in two different ways, and I don't think they are really that different, but perhaps a bit noteworthy. If BoA really has business with 50% of Americans, what if 5-10% of them withdrew their business? It would have a significant impact. 

It amazes (perhaps my Utopian side) me how little most consumers consider how their purchases impact the world. With most Americans mad at the big banks, why do they still do business with them? Our most important vote is with our purchasing power, and I very much think collectively we have the power to make companies and/or the system fail...

If BAC was pulled down, it might just bring the system down. Remember, the little banks don't have derivatives to support. Bring the big banks down and the derivatives go...Boom!

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Neo
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It amazes ... me how little most consumers consider how their purchases impact the world.

Most "consumers" don't "consider" much of anything. Ever try to have a conversation with one of the sheep? They dont want to even think about considering the possibility of understanding much of anything or the impact of same. They instead want to discuss how they are going to get the latest iJunk and what happen on TeeVee last night.

Life is just so much easier when you allow others to do the worryin'

I look forward to the moment when the herd collectively stops and drowsily says, "wait..wait..hold on..what just happened?". I know it's going to be ugly, and probably pretty painful for most of us, but o-what-fun to watch while the electricity still flows!!

 

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 21:28 | Link to Comment trav7777
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naw...they'll blame whoever their Messiah tells them to.

People don't understand Hitler...it was a guy who made plausible scapegoats out of groups and the majority just wanted to be told what to do.  Just make it stop.

I mean look at the current discourse of blame.  Whose fault is it, still Busch's or is it all NeObama?

The herd is and always will be the herd.  Expecting them to wake up and understand is like expecting your dog to respond to your query of why he shat on the rug.  They lack the capacity to do it, ok? 

Do what the elites do, mercilessly shear them.  Because the worthless shits deserve it.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 01:00 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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I was with you until, "Because the worthless shits deserve it." You are the minority in this regard.  Weak spot.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:56 | Link to Comment MilleniumJane
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I thought wars are won skirmish by skirmish?  Every action that runs against what they want for us, no matter how small, is helpful to win this war.  Most of us feel impotent and anxious because we are going against what we have been told was good for us by the Machine.  Many more are waking up.  Don't discourage them.  Baby steps, man, baby steps.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:49 | Link to Comment taraxias
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I hope I was quick enough posting, I wanted to be the first to tell you to go fuck yourself.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 12:54 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Taraxias= Greek, meaning "fast fingers"

You beat me to it

I would venture this scumbag has a poster of George Lincoln Rockwell in his basement bedroom in his mother's house.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Jeff Lebowski
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flag as awesome (1)

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 13:37 | Link to Comment RabidLemming
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what he said.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:23 | Link to Comment UnRealized Reality
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Is it my system or did somebody remove that guys post?

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:36 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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What happened to that wanker's post? Alright, so he got at least 41 junks, but let's not start deleting these wankers. Didn't even get a chance to swear at the prick.

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 14:48 | Link to Comment UnRealized Reality
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This is very disheartening. Isn't this thread about freedom of speech? Not that I agree with the dud but isn't this hypocrisy exactly what we all are fighting. WHY was his post Deleted????????????

Sat, 12/18/2010 - 16:04 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Usually only spam accumulates that many junks.  The deletion is automatic, I beleive.

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