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Aircraft Carrier, Stealth Fighter And Now Drone: China's Military Is "Catching Up"
Some time ago it was revealed that in its rush to "catch up" with western military technology, China has now developed an aircraft carrier and a stealth fighter (reverse engineering efficiency notwithstanding). Now, it appears that China has developed its first ever unmanned drone. Wired has the latest: "It was another big reveal in a long history of them. Six months after the Chinese air force let the first photos of its new stealth fighter
leak online, Beijing’s military has “accidentally” showed off another
secretive weapon system: a small drone, apparently used to scout ahead
of China’s fast-growing fleet of warships. Details of the Unmanned Aerial Vehicle — gleaned entirely from a snapshot
(.pdf) taken by a Japanese navy patrol plane last week — are sketchy,
at best. But the new UAV certainly represents a step forward in China’s development of American-style spy drones." Of course, the "leak" is anything but, and is merely another attempt to demonstrate its ongoing scramble to keep up with the US across all verticals. After all: why peg to the dollar, if you can't peg to the military. And while these attempts at oneupmanship are childish, expect to see a very vocal response from the headline hungry general population which may soon find itself in a "panic" over the fact that the biggest communist power in the world is suddenly getting "just as strong."
The drone (pictured above) appears to be small, possibly no more than
a dozen feet in length. Since it was spotted far from land in the
company of Chinese warships, it’s likely that the flying robot is
launched from the helicopter flight deck of a frigate or destroyer —
though the exact methods of launch and recovery remain unclear. (U.S.
naval drones use catapults
or take off vertically.) The UAV’s apparent small size implies a
limited range and basic sensors, particularly given China’s problems building robots and advanced military electronics.
The circumstances of the pilotless plane’s revelation could offer
hints about its role. Early this month, the Chinese navy sailed 11
warships through international waters between two Japanese islands. The two-week deployment — a new, semi-annual tradition for the rapidly-expanding Chinese navy — was probably meant as a display of strength, and included target practice for the ships’ crews.
It just so happens, a drone is an excellent way to spot targets for
long-range gunfire and missiles — especially for a navy that lacks the ultra-high-tech satellites
the U.S. Navy takes for granted. And what could be more impressive for
foreign audiences than “accidentally” letting the Japanese photograph
the new UAV in action?
For all that, the Chinese ‘bot could be fairly dated technology.
Considering where the drone was spotted — at sea, and above warships —
and its apparent size, it’s probably a rough analogue to the U.S. Navy’s RQ-2 Pioneer. During its heyday in 1991, that drone helped the battleship USS Missouri aim its massive, 16-inch guns at Iraqi shore targets. Today, the Pioneer has been superseded in American service by far more sophisticated ship-launched drones.
Wired's conclusion is spot on:
Which is to say: yes, the Chinese have a new UAV, and it’s pretty cool. But publicly launching a flying robot from the deck of a warship for the first time just means the People’s Liberation Army Navy is finally catching up to the where the U.S. Navy was … 20 years ago.
Now... if only they could print 20 times as much as the Fed all shall be well.
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Why should this be a surprise? Several countries produce drones and I think Israel even exports their technology.
Maybe this is a chance to take another Chinese company public on the Nasdaq?
"Israel even exports their technology."
It's not their technology http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/74207/Israel_spying_on_US_long_h...
How dare you criticise Israel. You must be an anti-semite. Or a self-hating Jew™. Or something.
The real surprise will be when all of the RC aircraft made in China spontaneously arise from toyboxes around the country and begin attacking us.
Latest chinese tech wonder: nuclear powered chopsticks.
All this silly Janes Defense drama.
Within the given theater, each party has access to exactly what they are suposed to have. From Nukes/missiles right down to small arms/movers, the works. Mitltary tech, for the most part is nothing but civilian tech with Mil Spec parts and mil spec tolerances in all aspects.
Plus, such a dumb way to fight. Dumb dumb dumb.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/nuclear-american-cross-other-thoughts/
Yea....It's easy when you can steal the info or buy it from a former POTUS.........
Just ask Saddam.
Well, since the RMB is (sort of) pegged at 6.5:1, we know they can print 6.5x as fast.
I don't see any problems with three times quicker. After all, all my toner is made there....
Chinese believe in hard assets.
Just like Japan in the 1920's/30's China is building up it's military. The first play will be the South China Sea or Taiwan.
Thanks to myopic American politicians and Wallmart.
Japan had a navy, China doesn't.
All of the items referenced in the original article are a joke...the carrier is not China's, the fighter isn't a fighter or stealth, and this drone? I've seen better R/C airplanes.
China is great at counterfeiting LV bags, though
trav7777
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/shipbuilder-blames-navy-as-brand...
Builder Blames Navy as Brand-New Warship DisintegratesThe Navy’s newest warship is slowly disappearing, one molecule at a time.
This isn’t a sequel to the 1984 sci-fi flick The Philadelphia Experiment, in which a Navy destroyer-escort vanishes through a time portal in Pennsylvania only to reappear in Nevada, 40 years later.
No, this time the disintegration is real. And so is the resulting tension between the Navy and the disappearing warship’s upstart builder.
The afflicted vessel is USS Independence, the second in the sailing branch’s fleet of fast, reconfigurable Littoral Combat Ships. Eventually, these ships are supposed to be the workhorses” of tomorrow’s Navy.
As Bloomberg reported, the Navy has discovered “aggressive” corrosion around Independence’s engines. The problem is so bad that the barely year-old ship will have to be laid up in a San Diego drydock so workers can replace whole chunks of her hull.
In contrast to the first LCS, the steel-hulled USS Freedom, Independence is made mostly of aluminum. And that’s one root of the ship’s ailment.
Corrosion is a $23-billion-a-year problem in the equipment-heavy U.S. military. But Independence’s decay isn’t a case of mere oxidation, which can usually be prevented by careful maintenance and cleaning. No, the 418-foot-long warship is dissolving due to one whopper of a design flaw.
There are technical terms for this kind of disintegration. Austal USA, Independence’s Alabama-based builder, calls it “galvanic corrosion.” Civilian scientists know it as “electrolysis.” It’s what occurs when “two dissimilar metals, after being in electrical contact with one another, corrode at different rates,” Austal explained in a statement.
“That suggests to me the metal is completely gone, not rusted,” naval analyst Raymond Pritchett wrote of Independence’s problem.
Independence’s corrosion is concentrated in her water jets — shipboard versions of airplane engines — where steel “impeller housings” come in contact with the surrounding aluminum structure. Electrical charges possibly originating in the ship’s combat systems apparently sparked the electrolysis.
It’s not clear why Austal and the Navy didn’t see this coming. Austal has built hundreds of aluminum ferries for civilian customers. The Navy, for its part, has operated mixed aluminum-and-steel warships in the past.
But Independence — the Navy’s first triple-hull combatant — could be a special case for both the builder and the operator. For all Austal’s chops building civilian ferries, the Australian company is new to the warship business. Austal set up shop near Mobile in 1999. Today, the shipyard has contracts to build 10 LCS, plus several catamaran transports for the Navy.
From the Navy’s point of view, Independence and the other Littoral Combat Ships are unique. As in, uniquely cheap. Each vessel is supposed to cost just $400 million, compared to more than a billion bucks for a larger, all-steel Arleigh Burke-class destroyer.
Lots of things — major weapons, for one — have been left off the LCS in order to keep the price down. The list of deleted items includes something called a “Cathodic Protection System,” which is designed to prevent electrolysis.
Independence will get the protection system installed at the first opportunity, and future LCSs will include it from the beginning, according to Pritchett.
But instead of simply filing the corrosion issue under “lessons learned,” Austal seems determined to blame its customer. “Galvanic corrosion has not been a factor on any Austal-built and fully maintained vessel,” Austal stressed, implying that Independence hasn’t been “fully maintained” by a negligent Navy.
That’s an, ahem, interesting approach to customer relations for America’s newest warship-builder.
And things could get worse, as more LCSs enter the fleet. “I suspect there will be other public problems revealed over time that will require relatively simple, albeit costly, solutions,” Pritchett wrote. Will Austal also blame the Navy the next time a glitch appears in the ships it builds?
galvanic corrosion is known from the renaissance, and cathodic protection, etc. This type of mistake is ridiculous.
The list of deleted items includes something called a “Cathodic Protection System,” which is designed to prevent electrolysis.
We had such a system on the FF-1052 class frigate I served on from 77-80. Every ship in the Fleet had one. How could they have "forgotten" this? Speaks volumes about the state of Navy shipbuilding today.
And a ship with two hulls and no major weapons systems? A floating brothel.
Instead of sacrificial anodes, they used a sacrificial warship
The term uniquely cheap here sort of is a typical ly good starting point to working out wtf is wrong.
Galvanic, or more precisely, Bi-Metallic corrosion occurs when a couple of metals that don't like each other get together under the influence of an electrolyte. The electrolyte here is sea water, and I assume the hull is corroding where it joins the water jets. The flow of current from the alloy to the hull must be accelerated by either an untried alloy by this manufacturer, maybe 15 or 20 possible combinations, or a possible salt build up on the skin of the alloy which has bonded to the initial oxidation layer. I've come across this in some de-sal station pumps before.
There can be a simple fix, not ideal but enough to redo every couple of years and thats to coat the alloy with a simple polymer.
In this case, not sure whether it would impact on the water jets performance over time. Regular maintenence and inspection should keep her ok. Gimme a day or two in the lab and I'll suss it out.
But hey, it's a US Ship and they will want to fleece the tax payer for another few tens of millions.
I'll do the job for a dozen monster boxes, just need some help lifting the jets down when she is in dry dock. Any Volunteers!
trav7777
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008422/U-S-military-spends-cool...
U.S. military spends a cool $20billion on air conditioning annually in Iraq and AfghanistanThe U.S. military forks out a whopping $20.2billion a year on keeping troops in Iraq and Afghanistan cool, it has emerged.
The alarming figure is more than Nasa's entire annual budget and trumps the amount the G-8 has pledged to aid Egypt and Tunisia.
It's even more than the clean up cost of BPs Gulf oil spill.
I love how we spend the last easy oil on air conditioning in 120 instead of building the innevitable new systems
US citizens are unrivalled when it comes to consumption. It is only through unmitigated modesty they manage to belittle their own achievements in this department, still maintaining that overconsumption/overpopulation is a matter of numbers and that killing people who are low on consumption will resolve the issue.
The US is not the solution, the US is the problem.
Since it cost US$0.06 to print a 100 dollar bill, it is actually US$12,120,000
China is great at counterfeiting LV bags, though
That sounds harmless. But what if they manage to counterfeit Margaret Thatcher too?
They're working on it
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/newsarticles/2010/oct/38il...
China technologically doesn't need to "be even" to the USA - in fact, no country *including* the USA needs what the USA is currently doing.
The US military is economically inefficient. A lot of tech-porn gadgets that offer little practical advantage relative to the involved construction and especially maintenance cost. What a country needs to resist the USA, simply is hardware that gets the job done, is versatile in purpose, and is maintenance friendly. Actually, even USA's own statistics, say quite clearly, that their biggest tech-wonders are in practice mostly for show and to enrich the defense industry: When you look at stats of for which missions and tasks which types of equipment did best do the job, then it is not a bunch of stealth bombers, not a bunch of F22's..... but instead solid multipurpose workhorses, which's tech is from about 15 to 50 (fifty) years ago. To take aircrafts as an example: The F-16, F-15, F-18 and ..... yep, the B-52 (which until today has the highest fitness-for-mission rate of any US bomber)
If china can get to where the US was 20 years ago, and keep production and maintenance costs down, then strategically should actually have overtaken the USA. Especially if it takes a creative route to developing hardware that is purely meant for tactical purposes (i.e. dummies).
P.S.: Wonder why the USA then at least in terms of military defeated so many opponents in the last 20 years? Well, here's how the USA actually wins so many wars:
1. Information. Satelites, AWACS, and so on.
2. Training and experience
3. Sheer advantage in numbers and having equipment for every task
4. Geopolitical advantage: When they launch a war, they typically can enter from almost every side - at the same time.
5. The opponent having tech, that is even older than "where the US was 20 years ago"
oh; I agree...the F22 weapons only have relevance against other topline fighters. We never pick fights with those guys
And even against other toplevel military: What country can sustain building masses of such hightech wonders? All those next-generation aircraft, buy their marginal superiority, by making compromises in critical other areas: Load capacity, maintenance costs, range/loiter capability, etc. And even then their superiority basically is an arms race against ammunition and radars, which also improve constantly.... what is left of such a jet, when 10 years later its one or two main features get neutralized? A plane performing worse than a planes from 20 years ago.
Military aircraft in principle are simply highly mobile missile and radar platforms. What happens when design compromises and costs, mean that you ultimately have a lower capability of launching missiles and doing recon via radar? Well, you end up with planes, which are only efficient as "commandos": Striking single targets relatively safely. Those are not planes that have the range and load to attack multiple targets, or take on targets of opportunity.... heck, their load is so low, that they cannot even efficiently defend themselves, once they're detected (the F-35 comes to mind).
Having a handful of such planes, for special missions, may make sense. But even thinking of making such planes the backbone of the airforce, is economically, strategically and tactically insane. If i were up against such an enemy, and had 10 years available for preparations, i'd laugh my ass off, and put all development into missiles (air and ground launched) as well as radar tech.... and then equip lots of 20 years old jets and ground-based launchers with that, and deploy a bunch of dummy targets.... and swarm them in a hail of missiles, while they try to figure out which targets are real, with their low load. Who cares if only every 2nd missile hits, when you can just fire 3 missiles? :) (if i had more than 10 years, i wouldn't even bother with missiles, but instead research a modern kind of the good old AA-guns, aided by improved radars)
Their whole drone program investment doesn't amount to even one month's interest payment to them from us.
And what a waste of perfectly good yuan. They could get cheaper and better results from a few million people’s army “volunteers” with cell phones, binoculars, lawn chairs and weather balloons. :-)
Drone Bitchez!
Say cheeeese...... until they attach missles to those things.
Perfect sea going drone, considering it looks oddly similiar to a flying dolphin.
By god, they are either shooting trained dolphins or have taught them to fly.
Apparently we were fooled by their massive build up of 1 aircraft carrier, 1 stealth plane and 1 drone.
It is obvious we have been fooled and need to catch up in the catapulted / flying dolphin weaponization.
Gee, if the American public panicked, particularly with an election coming up, would it be possible that the parties could be stampeded into even more spending to protect us from yet another bogeyman, which in turn could result in even more printing/borrowing, which in turn could . . .
Shades of the Last Days of the USSR . . .
No shit. China would be THE consumate boogey man indeed. They took our jobs remember. Damn capitalists.
you call their economy capitalist??
you call ours capitalist?
Did I? Idiot
Just comparing horses at the glue factory really.
we're capitOlist
Its truer to capitalism than the fascist crap we have in the USSA police state.
more nonsequitur bullshit.
Listen up, idiots...calling China's economy NOT capitalist is NOT THE SAME as saying that OUR economy IS capitalist.
One statement does NOT IMPLY THE OTHER
Yah guys, sheesh. That's almost as stupid as implying that intelligence is a function of skin pigmentation; not quite, but it's close.
In the 70s, my best friend's grandmother thought blacks were athletically superior because god gave them a longer tibia and so, in a trade, he made them intellectually inferior. I kinda forgave her because you know, she was born at the turn of the century. Not sure how to explain the current crop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXHwIrEpeSQ
Note the comments - not one makes the (correct) leap of logic that their caging / treatment has lead to severe psychological trauma. The same is exactly the same for modern wage-slaves.
Is your statement intended to imply something about recidivism among violent offenders?
Inferiority complexes coupled with self-victimization.
So you're saying more people are atheists now?
If anybody here ever did imply such a stupid thing, I'd call them an idiot too.
However, if they mentioned the rather strong correlation between the two (same cause), then I would point out that they were correct, BECAUSE THEY ARE.
Except that they aren't, and all-caps won't make it so.
OTOH thanks for being such a great example of my point.
China and the US both are capitalist.
Now, it appears that China has developed its first ever unmanned drone...
While the Chinese military-tech ramp-up is a big story I don't see what the big deal is about their building drone aircraft. If they have the technology to build a stealth fighter of course they have the technology to build a remote controlled, gas powered model airplane.
The real take-away here is than the Chinese government now values human life enough to actually be concerned about loosing a pilot.
"The real take-away here is than the Chinese government now values human life enough to actually be concerned about loosing a pilot."
LMAO.... Is that intended humor or are you delusional?
It's probably not the people they care about.
I suggested a lawn chair and weather balloon solution at the same time you posted.
Vehicle unit cost, mission right-sizing, payload, manned support, and time on station are the compelling factors.
China.. Bought a used, as scrap.. Russian throw away carrier and that is a ramp up?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/where-are-chinas-killer-drones/
our toys beat their toys.
China has 1,200% Leverage against their Yuan / Renminbi..
U.S. has 120% Leverage against the dollar
they *don't* have the technology to build a stealth fighter. Just because you say it is stealth on a press release does not make it actually stealth. Hollywood makes great mockups too.
If it truly is a 'stealth' fighter, how would you know if they had developed it?
trav's like barbie. He's had a lot of careers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oreo_Fun_Barbie.jpg
(not stalking, just responding to comments I find amusing)
nice
they're thinking of doing a Keebler Barbie but they're worried about the ADA
still, saves on packaging
does that nubian queen need some creamy white filling?
ROTFL...the state of China's technology is inadequate to produce a stealth fighter. Clear?
Crystal, as clear as an azure sky of deepest summer; got it: you fancy yourself omniscient. Good luck with that.
Speaking of Hollywood...I'm happy to see the resurgence of another communist "threat". The last few Rocky movies sucked. I'm looking forward to some good "USA USA USA!" '80s-style propoganda flicks (Top Gun, Rocky 4, etc.)
Cheer up, Yes We Can II, Electric Boogaloo will be out soon and the Hollywood/communist/propaganda quotient should be substantial. Oscar worthy in fact.
NEEDED CREDIBLE ENEMY...........
Exactly, pump the fear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I
next the MSM will report China joined with the Mexican Drug Cartels and US White Supremacist groups and Al-CIA
I agree that Obama would not be above milking this for votes. However I would not be so quick to dismiss the danger of China.
War Is Not Far from Us and Is the Midwife of the Chinese Century Leading CCP official argues for exterminating U.S. populationhttp://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html
Yeah, and dont forget the carrier-killer missile.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article22888.html
And super-sneaky Song subs...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chine...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html
why I can Not! buy this story.. FOF.
there is no way anything came up next to and or around a super carrier without a dozen chain guns and auto missile launchers going bonkers!
It was in the middle of exercises, they could very well have "put the safety on" in close quarters (also why they may not have been "on the bubble" with respect to detecting the Commie swabbies).
Bro.. I dont know what we let the Chinese get away with to build up their self esteem to create a false sense of security.. but I do know what the U.S. Government to pump up our self esteem.. thusly I would assume the Government would in fact treat china worse than "We the Sheepeople"...
Although.. China is owned by American Dollars.. I dont care how much debt they buy.. and China is American as Apple Pie.. or so Chinese Government would have Wall Street believe.. given the 3,000 year history.. I would think they are thankful Wall Street paid for the Nation-(China)-Wide improvement.
It is chess not checkers and simple minded purist capitalists dont play either regardless of how advanced they may pretend to be.
We have sold out, not really.. in China the Yuan / Renminbi has 1,200% leverage from their FED! as opposed to 120% here provided by our FED.
This shit is all smoke and mirrors.. or a dog and pony show.. the problem is.. I LOVE IT! I love big boats and top gun fighter planes and such! but it is a Dog and Pony Show for those of us with a heart beat and testosterone!
China LOVES US! and is trying to buy Europe! the back way around with US dollars! or trade dollars that service that 1,200% debt / leverage they have!
If Europe blow up! (economically)
If the U.S. blows up! (economically)
China can Not! service that 1,200% Leverage!
So all of this dog and pony show stuff that we all Love! is just window fixxen's!
If you want to get nuked without using a nuke yourself, sinking aircraft carriers is the way to do it.
they've had the W-88 mini H-Bomb tech for years, wierd when you don't have to invest in R&D, just sit back and let Uncle Sam develope it for ya.
Plus the anti-cavitation submarine propellar tech we gave (sold) them.
Oh fuck please stop giving us your opinion on military hardware it is fucking hilarious...really. That old piece of shit carrier that used to have a tug accompany her to tow her when she broke down which was every fucking half an hour. A THREAT that is stupidest fucking thing I have heard from this place in a long time.
The Chinese are completely unable to build anything remotely able to threaten our military. Have you seen or used chinese state of the art crap??? It is a fucking joke.
You're right, the Chinese have never invented anything
at least you'll out cuss them.
America's secret weapon: jingo-bombs. Oh noes, I've said too much, haven't I?
It is a fact that the carrier all of you have your panties in a tangle about is an old piece of shit carrier that the Russians could not for the life of them make reliable...the planes they fly off of that piece of shit are also pieces of shit MiG-29 that have a choice when they take off...carry weapons or carry fuel, but you cannot carry both. And MiG-29's were never meant to deliver weapons that are used in Naval warfare. Then we have the fact that they have nothing to protect their carriers with...
The Chinese are simply sending out people to die if they send those out to fight.
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Subject switch?
This is the statement I am ridiculing:
"The Chinese are completely unable to build anything remotely able to threaten our military"
and how dare they send people out to die. We never do that.
Don't be so shor sighted.
This is similar to the cold war. Yes the Chinese weapons aren't as advanced but you miss a very important point. The top us stealth fighter, the F22 , we have a whole 183 of them. The Chinese stealth fighter costs something in the region of $100 m if I recall correctly or less than a quarter. In fact it likely costs less than the muchbless capable F35 which, I might add is NOT all aspect stealthy and only x-band stealthily. In fact the Russians already have a radar that can detect the B2 bomber, although the cycle time and refresh rate isn't as good as required.
It's all a question of time and manufacturing capability. In a few decades the chinese will be able to build an aircraft carrier for as much as it costs us to operate one annually.
They will also be taking amierica's attitude in the future of 'protecting the country's interests'. No doubt the USA will be screaming blue murder when another country starts acting like her and has foreign military interventions, funding dictators and sending troops and holding military bases in over 150 countries.
and I hear they can put more troops on the ground
Exactly. I am not arguing against the T-34 or the Sherman tank here - both had their qualities as well, but their main quality was that the Allies could produce them much faster and cheaper and less labour intensive than most of what the Germans built during WWII. I think, we became obsessed with building the best tank possible without looking at production rate. Fortunately, we lost the war. I've the greatest respect for our engineers and most ordinary Wehrmacht soldiers though.
According to Wiki:
Medium Tanks
Panther: The initial production target was 250 tanks per month at MAN. This was increased to 600 per month in January 1943. Despite determined efforts, this figure was never reached due to disruption by Allied bombing, manufacturing bottlenecks, and other difficulties. Production in 1943 averaged 148 per month. In 1944, it averaged 315 a month (3,777 having been built that year), peaking with 380 in July and ending around the end of March 1945, with at least 6,000 built in total
Panzer III: Number built 5,774 (excluding StuG III)
Panzer IV: Number built 8,800 (estimate)
Heavy Tanks
Tiger I: Number built 1,347
King Tiger: Number built 492
Now, just compare this to the two main medium tanks used by Allied Forces
M4-Sherman: During World War II, approximately 19,247 M4 Shermans were issued to the US Army and about 1,114 to the US Marine Corps.[21] The U.S. also supplied 17,184 to Great Britain, while the Soviet Union received 4,102[22] and an estimated 812 were transferred to China.[23] These numbers were distributed further to the respective countries' allied nations.
T-34: By the end of 1945, over 57,000 T-34s had been built: 34,780 original T-34 tanks in 1940–44, and another 22,559 T-34-85s in 1944–45.
2012 = Year of Dragon.....
I actually dont mind China as a superpower......
then you are a racist... or is it a communist? definitely un-American... I always get my polarizing labels mixed up.
God Love Ya! Augie!!
lol hows the revolution coming?
it is just me.. some porn.. and hand lotion! along with really good movies like red dawn! the Russians are coming! or this week it is China!
The push to educate the masses??? I have a twitter account that is now 3 months old.. I have 500 or so followers that are not spammers and I am sure that I am helping educate a few with the great info provided from here and a few other places.. but I dont think that I will ever be able to educate enough people to dent the problems that face us as a Nation! Australia is looking good though!
LOL! Awesome man, my buddy and i are looking at places in Forteleza Brasil. Sustained 25-30 mph wind 6 months out of the year, perfect for my retirement plan of becoming an internationally renowned kiteboarder. Seems like everyone is jumping ship lol. Whats yer twitter? i'm hadesishere
sorry Augie just catching up on old posts..
https://twitter.com/#!/JWnFL
look for a tweet from me..
if you are in Brazil you will have the Amazon backwash once a year! look at these sets! I said it right sets of tubes.. http://www.surfingmagazine.com/magazine/august-issue-2011-surfing-magazine/ press play on the video!
wind surfing, kite surfing body surfing! whatever works!
The "drone" looks more like a kite to me.
The vessel is dead in the water. (no wake)
The ships flag, and the "drone" are aligned with wind direction.
I thought the drone (Chinese) looked like a torpedo with wings.
In all things navy, there are targets and then there are submarines.
Considering the spirit of Zheng He, watch for a fully deployed boomer, if they ever trust their sailors with the launch codes.
China need its military only for one reason...get the US and EU to repay their debts and oblige US to keep buying junk. DONE
If the Chinese start shit on the sea it will be the shortest fucking war in history...it will only take the time it takes for all their piece of shit ships to sink.
I don't think BHO could pull the trigger. He is fine for bombing donkey carts but something that shoots back, I don't think so.
almost as short as it would take to sink our dollar. Open a history book
Go ahead open that history book and school me...tell me exactly how that piece of shit carrier with her piece of shit planes and joke drones threatens anything except your world view.
Yea China is going to crash the dollar...then we will fuck China up and China can send her carrier out to sea so we can send a fucking WW2 destroyer to sink her.
Tyler stick to financial matters, it is what you do well.
Love the simple answers to the simple problems.
and exactly what will the rest of the world do why we "fuck China up?"
They're just a little bit bigger than iraq
Name me one militarized empire that survived with corruption and an imploding economy.
Back to the books
If you think that we can destroy ourselves you are absolutely correct. If you are worried about China doing something with those pieces of shit y'all have your panties all in a twist about you are absolutely wrong.
There is a difference between suicide and murder. China cannot murder us, we can commit suicide, especially if the prick in the White House stays in for another 4 years.
why are you obsessed with my panties?
Side note: they're made in China
The best way to counter Red China's growing military power?
Stop buying China's exports, bring jobs back to the US, and tell the "free trade" ideologues in Congress and think-tanks whose jobs are never at risk to pound sand.
And CUT the US defense budget by 25%.
make that 50% or even 75%
Oooo, I like it gigeze...
Genie is out of the bottle.
funny how people are certain about something until they are proven wrong
China's got nothing on the U.S.
We have the "Nuclear Option":
Selective, outright default on U.S. Treasuries held by China.
Good luck with that!
God, I've been looking at this all wrong, I need to pile on more debt. That way, I'll have the bankers by the balls. Austerity Measures? What are those?
Yea and China has the 'nuclear option' of more 'contrails' off the west coast except this time headed inland.
That would be the end of the dollar as the world´s reserve currency.
Good luck with that!
Taiwan has to be pretty nervous.
I'll take a spring roll with that 10y treasury note please
Same scare tactices "they" used about the Soviet Union, Iraq, Vietnam etc etc..........bla bla bla...........China is a paper tiger.....always will be
I thought we we're trying to claw out of our paper
After all what's the point in having the toys if no one else wanted to play
And guess who sold them the technology ?
http://cnionline.org/paying-off-israel%E2%80%99s-military-bills/
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/184016.html
In April 2001 China fighter jets using PYTHON missles shot down a US Jet. Israel has sold China its Python-3 short-range air-to-air missile which China has renamed the PL-8. According to Clarke, the Python-3 is a re-engineered version of the U.S.-made AIM-9L “Sidewinder” and also incorporates a significant amount of U.S. technology.
That just one of many, many such transfers. The US government is owned and operated by the AIPAC gang.
Americans don't count only a certain group, which donates almost all the $$$ the Democrats get and own the NY Times, Viacom, etc.
"A recent RAND Corp. report prepared for the Pentagon called Israel a 'back door' by which China obtained Western military technology. The report said Israel became China's preeminent foreign supplier of defense equipment when the United States suspended military sales after the 1989 crackdown in Tiananmen Square. . . The report follows evidence that Israel last year illegally diverted missile technology from the joint U.S.-Israeli Arrow antimissile program to Israel's Jericho II offensive ballistic missile project, then shared the technology with South Africa."
-John M. Broder, Los Angeles Times, March 13, 1992
Just a kite with a midget Chinese in the controls... Nothing to worry about!
I thought America invented the kite... and string... and wind...and sliced bread...and altruism...
The US and China are like husband and wife.
Guess who is wearing the pants...(Hint: think 'creditor')
but shit, can she cook
while he's piled in the lazy boy blaming his paycheck on one ethnic group or another.
What is this, a PF Changs? - shouldn't china see how Amerika's military is one of the main reasons for the dollar devaluation game? Monkey see, monkey do in the world of fiat fucktardedness.
Recall during Billy the Kid Killer Clinton's regime the SUPER COMPUTERS transfer. Our top US Military and Intelligence Agencies ALL said America should NOT allow the export of these to China. They were very concerned that China would use them to upgrade the accuracy of their nuke laden ICBMs. China, at that time, was unable to build an ICBM that could correct for weather conditions thus their accuracy was not too good. With the Super Computers, that Clinton PERSONALLY approved of, the Chinese were then able to correct for weather conditions thus ensuring pinpoint hits of Los Angeles, Seattle etc.
Then all of the Chinese espionage he had foreign Chinese working at Los Alamos, there was so much Chinese Communist money raised for Clinton and Gore that it was a huge scandal but, like Clinton's commision of PERJURY in US FEDERAL COURT under oath, nothing ever happened.
America has long been dead, it is now just circling the drain.
Well, given whom the Chinese would be targeting - to whit, our leaders - the more accurate they are, the better.
ok, smarty pants: BLAME "billy the killer kid" klinton IF you want - and PUT YOUR BLINDERS ON that HE, TOO - like BUSH SR, Nixon, Pelosi, McCain, Bush Jr. and now Obama - are ALL TOTALLY OWNED by the AIPAC/likud war lobby. And it is THEY - the TREASONOUS Neo-Cons - who have been SELLING AMERICA OUT year after year after year.
Want examples? Clinton's DEFENSE SECRETARY - (jewish) RETHUGLICAN William Weld. Clinton's ECONOMY GUTTING "OUTSOURCE U.S. jobs, factories, ENTIRE INDUSTRIES... TO CHINA... with NO minimum, nay TOKEN enviro, worker rights, wage, or currency conncession) TREASURY SECRETARIES, uber Goddamn-Sachs Neo-Cons BOB RUBIN & LARRY SUMMERS, his White House HATCHET MAN rahm emanuel BROWBEATING Con-gress to approve those NAFTA, GATT, China MFN, wto (et al) GIVEAWAYS so Goddamn Sachs, JPM, & other Fed "FIAT MONEY FOR US" banksters could PROFIT SHORT TERM from the SALE OF _entire_ US INDUSTRIES & TECHNOLOGY TO china.
Want more?
The Rethuglican HATE-MONGERS in Con-gress & the Right-Wing press/media blamed billy boy klinton for "LETTING CHINA STEAL the W-88 compact ("MIRV") U.S. nuclear warhead design" - the Rethuglican traitors WELL KNEW, that "theft" (industrial espionage) HAD ALREADY TAKEN PLACE under (Reagan), Bush Sr., and their Defense Secretaries, DICK CHENEY & DON RUMSFELD, BOTH of whom KOW-TOWED to the Israel war lobby ("Neo-Cons") via persons like CAREER Cheney PARTNER & Gulf War 1 Cheney's #2 at DoD, (Undersecretary of Defense) PAUL WOLFOWITZ and his whole treacherous "SPYING FOR israel IS LEGAL" crew."
(According to this quick search/link, China exploded a nuke device which mimicked the yield & signature of the US W88 in... 1992.
THAT's BEFORE Klinton took office, bimbo!) http://chinamatters.blogspot.com/2006/06/one-bad-espionage-case.html
btw, here's the TIME (cnn/Time/WARNER Bros., ne Polish/jewish WONSAKALER bros) hollywood media propaganda empire ACKNOWLEDGING that the GEORGIA ATTACK on RUSSIAN ARMY forces on 8-8-08 (more commonly known as the first day of the Beijing Olympics - when the REST of the world was celebrating PEACE & international cooperation) was INSTIGATED by the Israel war lobby, and their PUPPET DICTATOR (Columbia U. law grad) Saakashvilil - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1834785,00.html
(and when that mess BLEW UP in Saakashvili's face, why, VP Dick Dastardly Cheney flew to the region to personally deliver U.S. $1 billion to prop up the Jewish war state's Georgia proxy failed attack on Russia.) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/world/europe/04cheney.html
The HATEMONGERS are QUITE EXCELLENT, at ACCUSING OTHERS of the TREASON, that lurks in their own dark, evil, treasonous hearts.
Fiat Money: You know too much! Shhh, they're listening.
I have Mearsheimer's book sitting at home....haven't gotten to it yet. Good reading?
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374177724
***** "Clinton's ECONOMY GUTTING "OUTSOURCE U.S. jobs, factories, ENTIRE INDUSTRIES... TO CHINA... " *****
Bush signed the WTO order that let China in and thusly let the American jobs go to China, not Clinton.. not that their is a difference between the two.. but people who know the difference will discount your over all argument if you do not tighten up your facts.
"And while these attempts at oneupmanship are childish"
So defending yourself against the FUCKING USA Monster...is "childish"...????
Go lay down American goon.....
Speaking as an American goon, I can only say be careful what you wish for. You crave to see the drawdown of American forces from their global basing and worldwide interference. And so it will be. When you see what the world looks like without Leviathan, you may question your goal.
China's military build up is not for the US. China's military is a long ways to match up our military strength. It's military is a joke. Can China protect its interest in Africa,Latin America,and the Middle East in case of war with its navy? No it cannot.Second China's military build up is for future conflict with its neighbors over the South China sea. There is an arms race going on in east asia and a China-ASEAN war could erupt over the massive oil reserves in the South China Sea. This war could be the ultimate black swan no one sees coming. China is preparing war with its neighbors that is the reaon for its buildup. It want to be the regional hegemon of Asia.
Precisely.
China has a LOOONG history of lording over vassals in SEA, until one dick emperor thought it better to keep staring at his navel.
Weimar Ben Bernanke
China is preparing war with its neighbors
Agreed. So what will the U.S. do about its protectorates-Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines ?
It will be interesting to see the U.S. response when China moves on Taiwan.
Amazing what buying Chinese crap from Walmart, and, of course, the i-phone can create in military power.
Clinton is a traitor but he is not alone.
They are indeed massive, massive as massive can be. "Ours is a massive football club" says a MC supporter.
Sure...
Now, it appears that China has developed its first ever unmanned drone.
How do they know it's unmanned? Chinese people aren't very large. There could be two of them in that thing.
It was long ago. Now they need seat-belt extensions when they fly to US.
Chinese electronics vs Japanese or American... No comparison.
I personally gives no faith in any chinese design or products. Chinese are good at manufacturing but they have big problem in designs. They don't know how to design for reliability and performance.
Unless there are given know-how, Chinese military just copy the idea and looks. Whatever inside is just a joke.
However, this photo will be used by the lobbyists of the defense industry. They will use it to argue for more funding. That itself will truly break the camel's back. We will just keep spending more and more money in pursuit of a phantom enemy. We keep scaring ourselves to dead and spend all our money for nothing.
Don't worry. We'll just borrow the money... from the Chinese.
Its a matter of time. where do you think millions of Chinese studying in top notch universities in the USA will find jobs?
The American/NATO attack on Serbia in 1999 was a military disaster. Not only did the “air war” fail to destroy the Yugoslav army, it cost the US dozens of aircraft and drones.
The Serbian political leadership has shared NATO military wreckage with the Russians and Chinese. The Chinese are not only building stealth fighters and drones, but also cruise missiles and other ordnance that are copies of those fired at Serbia.
Even Serbia now produces cruise missiles based on the designs of those it captured in 1999.
Chinese electronics that are sold outside their country are built with things like faulty capacitors as part of the FEATURE of the item sold. Do you really believe China does not know how to build a stinking capacitor as well as Japan?!?!
Do you think that all those empty Chinese cities were built with the 'Chinese drywall' that was sold in Florida? Nope.
Could China build a technologically equal military in about a year that is 10X the size of Americas? Between the Trillions of USD they have, and the fact that all the US factories have literally been boxed up and shipped there. Why not?
Not a fucking chance in hell...they have no tradition of naval service and would be befuddled by the experience. They only know human wave attacks and we have very simple guns that take care of stupid shit like that....the very last thing China wants is a war with us. They are not fucking stupid....just incompetent militarily.
Right on.
Agreed. China's military is a joke. I mean have you seen their tanks. The type 99 is a piece of junk. Seriously having the largest military on earth without proper logistics will lead to blunders. China does not stand a chance militarily against us. They are just preapring for war with its neighbors. That is all China is planning for. They want control of the South China Sea and beat Vietnam and the other ASEAN nations in war. They want Asian regional power but I doubt they will get that. Their military is a paper tiger,they do not have a blue water navy!
Whew, for a minute there, I thought the technological leaps China's been experiencing would naturally lead to their military. Good thing it won't. I mean they'd never think to import expertise.
When you have no weaponary, you will have to submit to the "international law".
Why do I have this image of a balsa wood plane with a rubberband driven prop in my head?
When I think Chinese drones, I think of 30 spins and the rubber band breaks.
Even the amateurs have jet engines these days.
'conditioning'
I'll bet that drone cost 5% of the price that our drones cost. One thing about our weapons is that they cost a fortune, bankrupt the people, and because they cost so much we have very few of them!