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Albert Edwards On Rolling Over Leading Indicators

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What comes next should be no surprise to anyone. What we have been discussing for the better part of 2011: namely that this year is a spitting image of 2010, to the debt ceiling debate, to the Q1 market spike and subsequent drop, to an insolvent Europe, to the various allegations of bank impropriety, to the debt monetization, and pretty much to the dot, is captured best by SocGen's Albert Edwards who shows that various leading indicators have now rolled over, and absent some "exogenous" push (wink wink Chairsatan), the rollover now, just like a year ago, means the fun for the Hamptons crew is over for now, absent some very heated discussions between Hatzius and Dudley at the Pound and Pence.

From Albert Edwards:

Durable goods orders posted a better-than-expected 2.9% rise in March as did ?core? orders ? excluding the volatile defense and aircraft components. Yet despite March?s strength, both the yoy and sixmonth change in core orders has slowed sharply in recent months (see left-hand chart below).

Why might capital goods orders be slowing at exactly the point in the cycle when most commentators expect it to be making a greater contribution to overall growth? Well, contrary to most of the hype we are hearing in this reporting round, profits have not been doing so well recently (for a fuller explanation of this most recent spate of report round earnings manipulation, please contact my colleague, Andrew Lapthorne).

Economists tend to look at national accounts measures of profits which, to the surprise of many, often tend to lead stockmarket profits. The right-hand chart above shows that the surge in profits from their nadir has actually flattened out over the last six months (we have always preferred to use pre-tax domestic non-financial profits with inventory profits removed and depreciation put on an economic rather than a tax basis). Although the rate of profitability remains high, it is the growth of profits that tends to be the largest determinate of investment growth. So the slowdown in capital goods orders makes total sense in this context.

The level of analyst optimism also seems to be turning down (albeit from high levels ? red line in chart below) and the change in optimism, which we show on the front cover to be a good leading indicator has also thus fallen away (dotted line in chart below).

With valuation unattractive and now EPS momentum slowing (even before QE2 ends), this is the point in the cycle when investors should be becoming more cautious (see chart below).

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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:54 | 1239628 CrashisOptimistic
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It's not 2010.  There is a year less oil left.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:04 | 1239653 css1971
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Cool. Same demand, reduced supply. I'll buy that.

 

Unless demand gets crushed of course.

BTW, did you also see the whale oil charts on The Oil Drum?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:32 | 1239788 EscapeKey
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Another day, another Fed president spewing bullshit. Apparently, running (and monetizing) $1.7tn deficits IS sustainable, in sharp contrast with all historical evidence.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/williams-inflation-will-ease-later-this-year-2011-05-04?link=MW_home_latest_news

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - The economy is not at risk of runaway inflation, said John Williams, the new president of the San Francisco Fed Bank on Wednesday. In his maiden speech about monetary policy to a business group in Los Angeles, Williams came down squarely in the camp of Fed chief Ben Bernanke, who has said that commodity price gains will be transitory. The economy has enough forward momentum that it will rebound above a 3.0% growth rate in the second quarter after a disappointing 1.8% rate in the first quarter, he said. The pace of job growth should also pick up as the year progresses, he said. Given this forecast, the Fed is preparing its exit strategy, he said. The timing of the plan will be dictated by the course of the recovery, Williams added. If the Fed sees signs that a sustained period of high inflation is developing, the Fed will act quickly to squelch it, he said.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:39 | 1239805 MaxFrost
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"the Fed is preparing its exit strategy."

Truer words were never spoken...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:59 | 1242384 topcallingtroll
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You are just mad you are stuck in colombia and cant get an immigrant visa.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 10:56 | 1243255 Ted K
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EscapeCunt----

Regurgitating what Rupert Murdoch throws the the retail investors (i.e. dumb money)???  Wow.  I see the campaign to cure illiteracy in America is really "paying off".....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:26 | 1239756 duo
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Why invest capital to grow your business when you don't know what...

a dollar will be worth

what new regulations you will be saddled with

what new health care costs you will be saddled with

what the true impact of Japan/Fukushima will be when the lies are exposed

whether you can sell anything but food a year from now?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:27 | 1239763 Re-Discovery
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And a lot less patience.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:57 | 1239636 kengland
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TD,

 

Bring a chartist back in the fold. I enjoyed Nick even though he was getting beat down

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:58 | 1239640 LRC Fan
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I know you're extremely busy, Tyler, but can you look into the earlier flash crash in AAPL?  Also, Sony is now blaming Anonymous for their security breach.  Great work as usual. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:01 | 1239642 nobusiness
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Investors "should be becoming more cautious"

Can't anyone just say the truth.  Investors should sell stocks.

Was that so hard.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:42 | 1239816 Ruffcut
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Investors are in all shapes and sizes.

IF they go for dividends, then how do they sell? They live on em'.

Investors don't want to be traders, they are too lazy and even if you try to learn you may worse off.

In this environment, for many years, investors should always be cautious.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:59 | 1239643 carbonmutant
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Lessons in boiling a frog... do it slowly.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:00 | 1239649 NOTW777
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:00 | 1239650 lizzy36
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So, ISM non manufacturing new orders dropped off 11.4% in one month (largest m/m drop off ever recorded, including after 9/11), gasoline demand is at a 7 year low (EIA this morning), the USD, is moving from 3 ply towards 1 ply in a single leap, and we are all focused on a OBL photo porn.

Fundamentals, ain't what they used to be..........but then neither is America.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:02 | 1239658 RobotTrader
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As usual, the lemmings are fleeing into the U.S. Treasury market.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:08 | 1239670 buzzsaw99
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I supose you think you can do better? :roll:

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:16 | 1239702 topcallingtroll
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Always do the opposite of bill gross regarding usa treasuries.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:06 | 1239664 sabra1
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Obama Bin Lyin! that's a good one!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:07 | 1239666 RobotTrader
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Weak economy means less demand for gold, and more demand for hip clothing.  JC Penney now printing new 52-week highs....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:12 | 1239681 Internet Tough Guy
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Yes, a booming economy consumes lots of gold. lulz. Try harder momofader, the troll is weak in you.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:11 | 1239691 topcallingtroll
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Use the troll luke

Feel the troll inside you.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:14 | 1239704 Internet Tough Guy
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Momo is past his peak and he knows it. The salad days of trolling TZOO and BIDU are over.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:38 | 1239809 topcallingtroll
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ZSL is the best trade I ever did in my life.

Well except when i arb'd some cocaine from
south america, but i am too old for that shit anymore.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:15 | 1239696 RobotTrader
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Lots of my stocks are at 52-week highs today:  SO, ED, KFT, INTC, JNJ, and I remain fully invested.

Glad I didn't get sucked into the silver bubble and lose 30% in 4 days.....

LOL...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:14 | 1239709 Tyler Durden
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Or, alternatively, made 200% in 2 years

LOL...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:30 | 1239784 Cone of Uncertainty
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Shit, I cashed out a 125% gain since last August.

I lock in 125% rather than 140%, had I ticked the top, big fucking deal.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:55 | 1239858 dexter_morgan
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“Gold is the money of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is money of peasants,  debt is the money of slaves, & fiat is the money of fools.” 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:11 | 1239933 espirit
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+1

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:15 | 1239716 Internet Tough Guy
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That's amazing, because last month you were all in tech high flyers (which you don't talk about any more). You are killin it, momo!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:26 | 1239757 buzzsaw99
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I was silver when silver wasn't cool. (bitchez)

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:50 | 1239842 Ruffcut
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Hey robutt, your so up on your total of 10 shares, and it still does not cover the first months payment for the used, broken scooter you have been looking at.

You can't use a scooter, you really want a power chair.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:14 | 1239707 Deep
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let me guess Robo, you shorted it at 85, went all in at 15 right?

I used to like you, you are just lame now

 

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:52 | 1239808 TruthInSunshine
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RoboTard, who has given advice that has doomed his own mother to her remaining days eating Alpo & Fancy Feast, always picks the bottom and tops, especially during market booms and crashes, precisely.

And we always hear the details and see the charts mere days after his exits and entrys.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:48 | 1240146 slewie the pi-rat
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rare form, today, RT!  i passed on the one abt getting into T's---of course, if you're losin yer ass in PMs bail into something "safe"!!!

penney's is great b/c china, india, and sri lanka will never be able to tell us with a straight face what their underpants must be worth to us now.  when we export inflation, no slap-backs!

my arms are too long for penney's.  even their socks are too short for slewie!  plus, everything is so over-decorated, these daze, doncha think?  i'm off to kohl's.  LOL

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:09 | 1239680 Tense INDIAN
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:14 | 1239692 ivars
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Most likely there will be exogenous pull (oil prices). Does that help?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:16 | 1239721 X. Kurt OSis
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...absent some very heated discussions between Hatzius and Dudley at the Pound and Pence.

I reiterate that P&P would be the perfect spot for a ZH masquerade on-site.  I'm sure we could get a table upstairs near the Dudley/Hatzius section... plus there's a pool table up there.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:20 | 1239741 russwinter
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Inflation causing boom, followed by bust

 

http://www.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/winter/?p=3895

 

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:25 | 1239768 FranSix
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n....n-n--n-nnn-nn

nnn...

n-n-n-egative interest rates...

 

b-b-b-b-bitchez

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:29 | 1239770 falak pema
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The fragility of the PM market, small in comparison to the bigger commodities, is evident to all. Ideal for mega manipulations and swings to be possible for the bigger players...at a moment of their choice...A golden rule that all military strategists like Hannibal taught the world at Lake Trasimeno...always use all angles; when you are cornered and have your back to the wall. The big boys know that only too well...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:28 | 1239774 Cone of Uncertainty
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And in other news, Apple flash crashes..yippeee

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42900573

I love these fucking markets.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:30 | 1239787 6 String
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Here's a question that came to me as I was brooding over the foul nature of the entire financial system: Could Silver be the first natural market to finally exist after decades of mass manipulation of every asset class known to mankind?

Think about it for a minute: take away marginable silver altogether, let the COMEX default on Silver delivery and therefore the bogus spot price, and let the market finally truly dicatate the real price of silver. This would essentially takeaway all the bullshit we have to deal with in these free markets everyday. Did I say free?

While, of course, real price discovery would finally exist in at least one asset: silver. Right now, we can't say this exists in any market on earth.

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:36 | 1239802 oogs66
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and least one bear didn't capitulate at the top for 'technical' reasons

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:50 | 1239829 TruthInSunshine
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$5 to $6 a gallon gas, $3 green peppers (each), doubly costly beef, pork and chicken and beer just in time for the 4th of July!

Obama/Bernanke/Geithner -

Hoped in 2008? Any Change Left in 2012?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:52 | 1239853 6 String
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This is what I was thinking as well. As the whatever is left of middle class approaches summer with all basic necessities having gone through the roof, and now the pulling of QE on June 30th (for awhile anyway), then most of America is doubly fucked.

High prices, declining assets (again), no jobs, no money. It will be tough love all the way around.

So to get lower commodity prices, 401k's will have to be smashed into the ground, but then the third mandate efforts will suffer...thus the banks, lending, etc., and to top it all off the fucking government is beyond broke.

And there's going to be no more QE? Yeah fucking right. However, until we get Jackson Hole expect bloodshed in many markets and then the hyperinflationary depression will truly commence.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:02 | 1239898 TruthInSunshine
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Your words beckon the graphic/digital print skills of williambanzai7:

The Bernank has 'Jackson Holed' himself, taking out many innocent civilians in the process, and putting Obama's re-election into doubt (no matter what Rasmussen claims now).

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:53 | 1239863 Ruffcut
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Beer prices going up? Them be fightin words there.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:08 | 1239917 TruthInSunshine
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Bernanke has lit a powder keg under the price of hops. If you like stout, coffee is near all time highs, too.

Thanks, Bernankincide!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:00 | 1239876 andybev01
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Hmmm; remind us again why we celebrate the 4th of July?...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:07 | 1239913 TruthInSunshine
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Isn't it the ultimate in ironies?

The 4th of July is ALL ABOUT the freedom from having to pay tribute (in the form of taxes and gold) to the Crown, and acknowledgment of our RIGHT to print our own money, free of Bankster/Gangster taxes, interest and other criminal fees.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:58 | 1239871 Yen Cross
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Having fun?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:12 | 1240278 alfred b.
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  this is not your father's recession.....accept only physical  !!!

 

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:12 | 1240279 Double down
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It appears to me that attempting to control inflation expectations via margin hikes instead of interest rate hikes is a new tool in the tool box.

Talk about self regulation!  The market places themselves are strangling the flow of money into the commodity complex by increasing the participation costs.  Every outlet of market reality must be managed, plugged or strangled in the name of calming volatility, curbing speculators and in the end it will be argued, to control prices.  It is a medicine required to offset the negative side effects of the previous drug. 

Socialism here we come.  The new Keynesians are murdering the animal spirit in the name of controlling inflation.  Stocks now appear to be the only game in town, but how can one invest in S&P companies whose margins are managed by the State?

More than ever, one must own physical gold and listen to dark pools. 

 

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 02:41 | 1242163 ebworthen
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I got laid more in 2010, but 2011 isn't over yet.

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 03:16 | 1242184 GFORCE
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The bears shall inherit the earth.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:02 | 1242295 Grand Supercycle
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Regular readers at  http://stockmarket618.wordpress.com will be familiar with this summary.

When DOW/S&P500 correction gathers momentum, I expect :

UP ~ USD, various USDXXX currencies, VIX Index

DOWN ~ EURUSD, AUDUSD, NZDUSD, GOLD/SILVER, Base metals like COPPER etc, CRUDE OIL.

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