Algeria Protests Turn Violent As Demonstrating Maghrebians In Paris Join In Solidarity

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As predicted yesterday, Algeria is "next." They just don't quite know it yet. The attached clip shows the first recorded clashes between demonstrators and police in Algiers. Certainly not the last.

And possibly a bigger issue, as Zero Hedge observed some time ago, is that while Egypt and Tunisia do not have major expat populations, Algeria most certainly does. In fact, those of Maghreb descent in France are estimated to be between 3 and 5 million: a potentially dangerous mix. Which is starting to materialize: as France 24 reports 'Hundreds of protesters gathered in the historic Place de la République
in Paris Saturday, calling for a "Free and democratic Algeria" in a
proud show of solidarity with Algeria's budding anti-government
movement."

Crowds gathered in Paris’ Place de la République Saturday in a show of solidarity with anti-government protesters in Algeria. The protests in the French capital came as thousands took to the streets of the Algerian capital of Algiers in defiance of a government ban on demonstrations to stage a rally calling for the removal of Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika.

Saturday’s protests in Paris and Algiers came the day after Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak stepped down following an 18-day popular uprising in the world’s largest Arab nation.

In Paris, protesters called for a “Free and democratic Algeria!” and held signs demanding that Bouteflika “Get out!” From the bed of a truck, people were invited to take turns at the megaphone, while people danced and chanted as music blared over loudspeakers. Egyptian and Tunisian national flags rippled in the air alongside Algeria’s emblematic green, white and red flag, in a proud show of Arab solidarity.

Nearly a month ago, Tunisian strongman Zine al Abidine Ben Ali fled into exile, sparking speculation over whether Tunisia’s far larger and wealthier western neighbour could turn into “the next Tunisia”.

Bouteflika, who has served as Algeria’s president since 1999, has come under pressure from opposition groups and many ordinary Algerians demanding democratic reforms.

The problem with all these concerted uprisings first in north Africa and soon everywhere else, is that as countries gradually convert to "democratic" regimes (no rush there though- they will likely go through several iterations of puppet governments of the deposed administration), the great experiment in globalization, in which repressive, yet America-friendly regimes fall, is about to be turned on its head.

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SilverFiend's picture

Welcome to "The Coming Insurrection".

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

Multi culturalism has not worked out.

Does Sarkozy not know what a guillotine is?

AnAnonymous's picture

Multi culturalism has not worked out.

 

Where does it come from?

Where is multiculturalism in all that?

Those demonstrators call for a free and democratic Algeria.

Should be an evidence these people are absorbed in terms of political ideology.

Now that a democratic and free Algeria could bother a majority of French, that is another story.

 

TBT or not TBT's picture

The concern is some kind of spillover of any street protesting from the home country Algeria into the streets of France, where multi-culturalism has been an epic fail.   EPIC.   The 2nd and 3rd generation "issus de l'immigration magrebine" use the word "francais" as an insult.    Hundreds of neighborhoods in France are no-go zones for police or emergency services, except in force.   Carbecues are a regular occurence.   French women adopt scarves not because they like them but to cut down on the insults and unwelcome approaches by the unemployed "youths" roving anti-French French citizens whose TVs at home are connected to dishes pulling down free to air arab satellite muck.    A drive through one of their government housing projects is edifying as to the scale of the problem.

chumbawamba's picture

I would love to read your explanation of this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/walstreetpro2

I am Chumbawamba.

TBT or not TBT's picture

I'm pretty sure I don't know him, but he's emphatic, and uh, character goes a long way, even when you are not Cumbawombat.

AnAnonymous's picture

The concern is some kind of spillover of any street protesting from the home country Algeria into the streets of France, where multi-culturalism has been an epic fail.  

 

How is people calling for freedom and democracy a sign of multiculturalism?

Arent freedom and democracy supposedly values cherished by the French republic? Values one should die for, values that one should share with others?

The main question is not about multiculturalism. These demonstrators are not displaying multiculturalism in any form. They are republican French heart and soul.

The question is :where are the other French? French are known to demonstrate for everything and anything. Demonstration is a national sport to them. Frog leg grows too expensive? They demonstrate. The weather has been bad, they demonstrate.

So where are the other French? Do they no longer consider that freedom and democracy are worthwhile demonstrating for?

TBT or not TBT's picture

Where are the other French?  Well, they have quite a lot of contact with North African culture. Way more than they want.  

Most of them are under NO illusions that "democracy" AND "freedom" (i.e. both at the same time) will emerge from these uprisings in North Africa.     The dominant religion-slash-culture are incompatible with both "freedom" and "democracy" as we understand these things in the west.

Bananamerican's picture

who junked the man?

"Democracy...with a side order of Sharia law.....sounds doable..."

Bringin It's picture

TBT - you almost had a cogent argument to make until you got to this

TVs at home are connected to dishes pulling down free to air arab satellite muck.

Change Arab to Zionist and you're discribing the only thing on offer in the HomeLand.

Yes or No.

TBT or not TBT's picture

Have you ever been to France dude(/dudette)?

The HLMs' (that's french for shitty governent housing) patios are covered with satellite dishes on their south sides, pointing at the free to air satellites that carry arab language programming.   So that the arab speaking, non-integrating, nominally french residents can watch stuff that corresponds to their culture and values.

 

Michael's picture

Change Arab to Zionist and you're describing the only thing on offer in the HomeLand.

You got it so right in more ways than one. It's like that in all the western countries. It's one big fucking game they are playing with us.

You both are right. 

TBT sees the foreigners pulling down programing from their homeland, while at the same time the duped French are watching the zionist programming that tells them multiculturalism is good. No! It's just a zionist ploy to break up, divide, and conker the French and European people as well as is happening in the the rest of western civilization including the US. The Arabs are just the zionists weapon they are using against us with no fault on the part of the Arabs. What do you expect the Arabs to do? The zionists system of money and oppression made the Arab countries a hell on earth. That's why so many of them fled to Europe bringing their culture with them as the zionists knew they would. You can take a boy out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the boy. Crafty sons of bitches the zionists are.

GDE's picture

We wish Arabs could go home and fight in their countries instead of making riots in our streets in Paris. We are so f**** tired that these foreigner conflicts affect our lifes here every single day (one day it's the Ivorians, the next day the Tunisians, then the Egyptiens, the Kurdes and now the Algerians) and we can't stand this insane multiculturalism society that Uncle Sam is forcing us to accept.

We already have millions of immigrants that we can't handle anymore and Washington is planning to bring more here. The USG wants to quintuple the number of immigrants to Europe. This is absolutely insane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuxUlL0We9g&feature=player_embedded#at=37

There are thousand of Tunisians who are landing right now in dramatic conditions in Italy to escape Tunisia since Ben Ali was forced to leave !

We are in a huge crisis with huge debt. We don't have the money and we don't have jobs for our own people. Why bringing more immigrants ? Soon there will be more Africans in Europe than Europeans !

Stop the madness. US stay at home. Leave Europe and the world alone.

TBT or not TBT's picture

Leave Europe and the world alone.

How did that work out for France between WWI and WWII, American isolationism?

As to your immigrant problem, I am not aware of any US government program encouraging Europe to take more immigrants of any kind.  What Europe has done in that regard is entirely its own doing as far as I can tell.    BTW I lived in France for TEN years, and sympathize with the concern over the rapidly multiplying, non-integrating north african immigration, but I don't see how this is the U.S. fault, even obliquely.   Help me out here, SVP.

GDE's picture

I'm happy you did sympathize with them but like you said it these people are not French or European. They are North African and will never integrate in the multi-millenium european cultures and societies.

The Europeans don't want more immigrants for economic but also cultural reasons but we are forced to accept them to transform Europe in a huge multicultural and multi-ethnic place. Blair, Cameron, Sarkozy, Merkel and others are doing the job that Uncle Sam is telling them to do.

The USA want to quintuple the immigrants in Europe (from the US ambassador himself) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuxUlL0We9g&feature=player_embedded#at=37

The OCDE wants it too ! But we can't handle all these people. This will end in a very ugly ethnic and cultural war.

chumbawamba's picture

I guess you'll re-think that whole colonization thing in the future, won't you?

I am Chumbawamba.

GDE's picture

Chumbawamba

I guess you'll re-think that whole colonization thing in the future, won't you?

 

I have no lessons to take from an American in that matter. I was not born when european colonization occured and feel no guilt for it, but if I was you I would feel ashamed by what your land is doint right now, colonizing and destroying the whole world in the name of freedom and democraty.

chumbawamba's picture

Yes, apparently you do have a lesson to take.  The lesson is that you are living the legacy that your forebears placed upon you, and it's up to you to either deal with it intelligently, rationally and humanely, or be the bigot that you seem to be.  No, you didn't ask for it, but it is yours nonetheless.

So, how are you going to deal with it?

I am Chumbawamba.

TBT or not TBT's picture

Learn some history Chumba.   The massive immigration from Algeria that has continued and accelerated long after the French abandonement of Algeria was a political choice by France's leaders, not an inevitable result of their colonial sins. No karma forced France to keep at it.

chumbawamba's picture

How does this in any way contravene what I wrote?  If anything it reinforces it.

You're sad, dude.  Give it up.

TBT or not TBT's picture

The French colonisation of Algeria, colonisation being you word choice, was not the cause of the massive immigration of Algerians to France over the last few decades.    There is no karma link between the colonisation that ended quite a long time ago and the massive influx since.  This  influx, which continues massively today, continues by current political choice very independently of what forbears(again your word choice) did during the colonial period.

Bananamerican's picture

he got ya Chumba....

"Blair, Cameron, Sarkozy, Merkel and others are doing ze job zat Uncle Sam is telling zem to do."

I sympathize with your country's "guest worker" program TBT but that is a strange trope i must say. 

Are the various nations ruled by various interlinked global banking/corporate/political elites or not?

If so, doesn't it follow that they ALL follow generous "immigrant" policies in all their culture/national I.D. diluting glory?

Does America itself seem like something worth defending when our own government can't be bothered to seal the border despite all the Trillions wasted on GWOT? Granny's crotch though, they got that covered.....

What is america now?

Just a polyglot of narrow self interested "tribes" trying to make a buck

France? majority Islamic in 40 years

chumbawamba's picture

Oh really?  He "got me"?  The simple fact is that there would not have been a mass immigration of Algerians into France if they had never occupied the place.

Apparently, the bar for intellectual discourse is rather low these days.

I am Chumbawamba.

sun tzu's picture

The colonization has nothing to do with it. Why is there mass immigration into Ireland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Finland? They never colonized any Muslim, African, or Arab lands. 

Apparently, the bar for intellectual discourse is rather low these days.

I am Sun Tzu and you are pathetic. Give it up dude. You're making a bigger fool of yourself with each post

Bananamerican's picture

i didn't say it had "nothing" to do with it Chumbacrank.

All of Europe is projected to be majority muslim given demographic trends.

The gateway countries take it 1st and worst of course.....

repent, relent, and hit the showers for I am Bananamerican etc....

Michael's picture

It's a result of Europe accepting a zionist central banking cartel system.

sun tzu's picture

Sweden never colonized any African colonies yet they are also flooded with North African immigrants. Hey, whatever fits your views, right?

 

I am Sun Tzu

Michael's picture

The sins of the father are visited upon the children.

AnAnonymous's picture

The Europeans don't want more immigrants for economic but also cultural reasons

 

Indeed, people calling for freedom and democracy are dangerous people in the eyes of Europeans apparently.

ColonelCooper's picture

You really are a one track record today aren't you?  I believe he has explained himself rather well.  They are over-FUCKING-run to the point where their country and their life is no longer what it used to be.  They are broke. 

I don't think most people in Arizona are against Mexicans fighting for freedom and democracy either, they would just prefer that the fight take place in Mexico.

 

chubbar's picture

Exactly Colonel and to expand on this point, what value do these millions of immigrants bring to a country that does not need them for labor? Why would they continue to be encouraged to come (via immigration laws, open borders, etc) by a countrys leadership?

One of the theories I've accepted as making sense, having witnessed several U.S. administrations completely ignore or exacerbate our own illegal immigration problem, is that this multiculturalism thingy is foisted upon the citizens of countrys in order to divide and conquer them. It's sold as some sort of politically correct way to prove that one is not a racist and intolerant of other cultures. In reality it appears to be a ploy to breakdown the national identity and change the laws which protect sovereignty/rights. A populace that has many varied priorities and concerns can easily be usurped by legislation pushed through with minimal support but no large opposition. No other explanation for this policy makes sense. It's not normal for a country to promote a policy that is bad for it's citizens unless there is another reason. Maybe this tinfoil hat stuff about one world gov't is actually true? This certainly would be one of the tactics to get there.

 

TBT or not TBT's picture

Weeelllllll, there is some of that now, from the european left mainly, which seeks designated victim groups to pander to.  

But if you back up to the orginal thinking on why France went into Algeria, it was to build up strategic depth, a deeper reserve of manpower to help it counter its classic enemy Germany, which was and remains bigger than France in that regard.    They go their asses handed to them my the teutons in the 1870's, in WW I, and WW II, thus several generations of French had learned that lesson.    After they cut their losses in Algeria, they still believed in strategic depth for France via immigration of workers to give them mercantile advantages, and population growth to grow their taxes and military conscription.   They believed their national education system and military service would turn these immigrants kids into full on Frenchies from generation one, but it didn't work.   They are non-integrated bitter minorities who use the word "francais" as an insult.   No shit.

chumbawamba's picture

Wow, didn't you just try to convince us not half a dozen comments above this one that the legacy of Algerian immigration into France was in no way tied to the occupation?

Pick a position and stick with it.

I am Chumbawamba.

sun tzu's picture

Your comprehension abilities are severely limited. How many times were you dropped on your head as an infant?

AnAnonymous's picture

They are over-FUCKING-run to the point where their country and their life is no longer what it used to be.  They are broke. 

 

Overrun by whom? People demonstrating for freedom and democracy?

He explained nothing.  Neither did you.

How is them demonstrating for freedom and democracy a sign of multiculturalism?

sun tzu's picture

If they truly are French, why are they demonstrating in the streets over Egypt, Ivory coast, Algeria, or some other country? The point is they do not see themselves as French and would rather carve out a piece of France for themselves.

GDE's picture

Indeed, people calling for freedom and democracy are dangerous people in the eyes of Europeans apparently.

You want to fight for a change in your country ? Then go back home. You won't change anything miles away.

 

By the way, the change for democraty is already a failure in Tunisia. Tunisians are coming in waves to Europe right now.

TBT or not TBT's picture

Hang on, you misread me, GDE.  I sympathize with the native Europeans, not the non-integrating immigrants.

My issue with your statements here is the idea that U.S. is causing European governments to import these people.    I don't know of any such policy by the U.S., ever, at least as regards your north african and turkish immigration problems.   Can you substantiate that?  Provide some clue as to how to find the proof of this alleged U.S. activity?

AnAnonymous's picture

Come on, he must have one since you've asked for one.

This will allow to propagate on that nice litterature on this comment section.

GDE's picture

Sorry for the misunderstanding TBT.

See the US ambassador video above and the ODCE plans for Europe and also the Eurabia project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurabia

And if you don't already know it the EU is a transatlantic entity whith no real independency http://www.eurunion.org/eu/Table/EU-US-Relations/

TBT or not TBT's picture

OK, I scanned the first link regarding Eurabia, and didn't remark any doings by the U.S. meant to favor the Eurabia project(oops see (*) below).

Now, if you mean to say the U.S. was very much for the integration of Turkey, a genuine NATO ally from the cold war times, then yeah, the U.S. is guilty as charged.  The thought by our state department was that would help keep Turkey westernizing, and of course undermine caliphate type developments.  I used to be supportive myself, but that project is a lost cause now, with the Erdogan government in power and the turkish military(the modernizing force in that country) now under the boot of the pro-islamic civilian government.  

But, let's note that Turkey is not arab or North African.   I'm not seeing where the US has been encouraging Europe to take north africans on board.   Ditto all the turks that moved to Germany back when NATO was still useful, or the muslim and other refugees from the former Yugoslavia when that went to shit.   None of that is the US' doing.

TBT or not TBT's picture

(*)   Ah crap, sorry GDE!   I just started listening to Barack Obama's ambassador to the Zeropean Union.   I apologize on behalf of the U.S.  

Didn't know Obummer had sent this asshole, but this appointments fits Obama's M.O.    Obama and his blizzard of appointees are doing so much all at once to undermine the U.S. and the west in general that it is hard to keep track of it.   Dinesh D'Sousa has a great book explaining such destructive behavior by a U.S. president, titled The Roots of Obama's Rage.   He is reflexively pro-third world and anti-western, in the mold of his father, to whom he dedicated his life's work, in his own words, in his own biography Dreams from My Father.

Michael's picture

TBT,

USA zionists are pulling the strings. See US foreign policy.

Michael's picture

The multiculturalists in the US tried to pull the same bullshit on us with the flooding of our country with illegals from south of the border.

That is one main reason I cheered the collapse of the housing bubble. It put millions of illegal aliens out of work in the construction industry. You know before the Latin invasion, American drywallers were paid $21 a sheet to hang it. By the end of the housing bubble it was going for $7 with illegal alien labor.

Oh, sure there was a lot of illegal alien demonstrations sparked by the Arizona law to crack down on them and the failure of our congress to give amnesty to the 20 million illegals. There were many protests by them in our country, especially in California and Arizona, but they were no match for us legals. We already knew what was really going on with them.

GDE's picture

Michael

You know before the Latin invasion, American drywallers were paid $21 a sheet to hang it. By the end of the housing bubble it was going for $7 with illegal alien labor.

Different place, same script. The same bandits take advantage of African immigrants and use them to lower the average salary and Europe's standard of living. What we are facing is a huge replacement of population and the end of our civilizations.

The American people and the European people are fighting the same ennemy. We must take them down or will we disappear.

ColonelCooper's picture

"American drywallers were paid $21 a sheet to hang it. By the end of the housing bubble it was going for $7 with illegal alien labor."

You do realize don't you that the first part of your statement is what led to the last part of it?

TBT or not TBT's picture

Which part of "illegal" is OK with you?