• George Washington
    09/05/2010 - 22:40
    When did it start? When will it end?
  • Cognitive Dissonance
    09/05/2010 - 15:45
    We should not adopt positions or beliefs that oppose the Ponzi simply because it’s contrary to the Ponzi. Doing so just shifts the illusion of control to us, but still leaves us dancing to the Ponzi beat. Our views should be adopted only after rigorous examination and vetting. This is the only way to a truly peaceful, free and sovereign life.
  • asiablues
    09/05/2010 - 18:06
    The back-to-back super-sized traffic jams near Beijing has landed China on the top spot among the cities with the world's worst traffic. While the world seems quite fixated on the length--miles and number of days--of these mega jams near Beijing, there's also a serious message--the under-capacity of China’s infrastructure.

Alpha Is Dead: Barclays Says With Stock Dispersion At All Time Lows, It Is "Not A Stock Pickers' Market"

Tyler Durden's picture




There is a simple reason why all hedge funds with "relative value" or "deep value" in their names will soon be looking to change their moniker: stock picking no longer works, with the only strategy that matters, as implied correlation is now at the second highest level in history, is picking the time to leverage beta exposure and riding the broader market up or down. Alpha is now dead. as Barclay's head of quantitative strategies Matt Rothman says, "Indeed, it was hard to be a stock picker in the market for the last two months as the last two months have seen historically low levels of dispersion in stock returns. As shown in Figure 2, the cross-sectional correlation across all stocks in the market was at its second highest level last month (measured back to July 1950) and recorded its third highest level this month; there have never been to two months back-to-back with anything approaching these levels. To belabor the obvious and put this in perspective, current levels of correlation are higher than in October 1987, anytime during the Fall of 2008, either therun-up or the bursting of the Internet Bubble, or after 9/11. The reason this matters to all stock pickers — fundamental or quantitative — is because with stock return dispersions at all-time lows, it is extraordinarily difficult to be picking stocks." In other words, the danger of yet another systemic meltdown (or up), now that everyone is on the same side of the trade (and whoever isn't, is getting steamrolled), is higher than ever in history, up to and including May 6. And he, who has the greatest access to (risk free) leverage wins. Therefore look for all the "investment bank" hedge funds with prop desks and discount window access to once again post record trading days for the current and all future quarters until even they blow themselves up eventually and the Fed can do nothing to prevent it.

Full market commentary from Matt Rothman:

For us, this month was not so different from last month. Our models continued to work, marking two straight months of solid out-performance, ending our long spirit-crushing dry spell of underperformance. The broad market averages maintained their downward trajectory as investors continue to worry about the engines for future growth with implications from currency markets and various fixed income markets all leaking into the equities market. And so once again, it turned out to be all about quality.

This was good news for our portfolios – and for most practioners of quantitative stock picking – since our quantitative models give us positive exposure to the styles of investing that the market has been rewarding recently. Our models are built to gain consistent exposure to cheap high-quality companies with positive sentiment. In general, we like companies that are attractive on an earnings yield or free-cash-flow basis with strong historical profitability, improving margins and repeatable earnings that are also are being acknowledged by the market as having room to run through strong price momentum and improving earnings forecasts. Now, of course, it is high unlikely for any one company to have all of these characteristics going in their favor at any one moment in time, so our model is a way of picking and choosing stocks that come the closest to having it all. Moreover, not all of the characteristics described above are all positively rewarded by the market at any specific time.

What is noteworthy is that in recent months all three basic investment styles have all been working well. Cheap companies are outperforming expensive companies. High Quality companies are outperforming Low Quality companies. And companies with positive Market Sentiment have been outperforming companies with poor Market Sentiment. This lead to the relatively strong performance by our Quantitative models. In our long-only portfolio, 62.4% of our stocks beat their Russell 1000 benchmark. In the long-short portfolio, 66.8% of the longs beat the Russell 1000 and 47.2% of the shorts trailed the Russell 1000, for a combined stock selection hit rate of 57.1%. Last month, stock selection was strong for our model because the styles we liked were rewarded.

Let’s be clear, though, that this is not the same thing as saying this was a “stock picker’s market”. Indeed, it was hard to be a stock picker in the market for the last two months as the last two months have seen historically low levels of dispersion in stock returns. As shown in Figure 2, the cross-sectional correlation across all stocks in the market was at its second highest level last month (measured back to July 1950) and recorded its third highest level this month; there have never been to two months back-to-back with anything approaching these levels.1 To belabor the obvious and put this in perspective, current levels of correlation are higher than in October 1987, anytime during the Fall of 2008, either the run-up or the bursting of the Internet Bubble, or after 9/11. This observation holds across sectors, with the correlation of stocks within Materials, Industrials, Consumer Discretionary, Consumer Staples, Health Care, Financials, Technology and Utilities sectors all being at or very near historical highs.

The reason this matters to all stock pickers — fundamental or quantitative — is because with stock return dispersions at all-time lows, it is extraordinarily difficult to be picking stocks. The decisions that matters are related to style selection not stock selection. We are fortunate because the styles favored by our Quantitative model (Quality, Value and Sentiment) are being favored by the market. Clearly, the current levels of cross-sectional correlation are unlikely to be sustained and we fully expect to see them revert to their more normal levels in relatively short-order (weeks to months). Just as cross-sectional stock correlations converge towards 1 as markets falter, they tend to dissipate as markets rally. But we believe it would be unwise to read the chart above as a reason to think that a market rebound is due in immediate future. For example, market cross-sectional correlations remained highly elevated throughout the Fall of 2008 and first three months of 2009 (at levels above 50%) and came all the way in as the markets rallied. But we certainly do not believe that what sent the market rallying on March 9th, 2009 was not the unsustainable level of cross-sectional stock correlations. Rather, we hold it was a combination of wise and coordinated monetary and fiscal policies by governments and central bankers across the globe. Hence, we believe this is an interesting contemporaneous indicator about the current state of the market but it is ill-suited as a leading indicator of where the market is headed.

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by RicktheDick
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:25
#456724

Correlation always kicks up in a downward trending market. There's no reason to own single stocks anymore. If you are going to get long, and God help you if you do, you are better off owning sector ETF's and at least mitigating some of the inherent credit risk. Throw mirco-economic analysis out the window, and form a marco strat. 

by Reductio ad Absurdum
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:18
#456807

From another recent article on the same topic:

According to data provided by Cleve Rueckert of Birinyi & Associates, 78 percent of the S&P 500 is currently moving with the market.

Back in April the correlation was more like 50 percent. And if you go back further to the good old days of the mid-90s, according to Rueckert, it was around 30 percent.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/38057120/In_Stock_Picking_It_s_Man_Versus_Machine

by ATG
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:06
#456886

Who says stock picking does not work?

APC and BP up +20% and +24% so far...

by Oh regional Indian
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:28
#456727

Of course Alpha is dead.

Everything is tightly correlated and tightly coupled. Commodities, currencies, geo-politics. Lack of diversity in manufacturing.

Every one is playing the tail and praying they have a good quarter.

Beta will disappear similarly. Then only the extremely tactical (algos) and the extremely strategic will make money.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

by Ripped Chunk
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:42
#456751

+ 10,000

"People, not commercial organisations or chains of command, are what make great civilizations work, every civilization depends upon the quality of the individuals it produces. If you overorganize humans, over-legalize them, suppress their urge to greatness — they cannot work and their civilization collapses."

Awesome post. Thanks for the reference

RC

 

 

 

by WaterWings
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:01
#456780

overorganize humans, over-legalize them, suppress their urge to greatness

Seems to be at an all-time high!

by Oh regional Indian
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 23:26
#457847

Really does eh, WW?

Thus the strong feeling that we are near a massive "Top". multi-contextually speaking.

 

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

by thesapein
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:36
#457032

Ants, not queens or chains of command, are what make great colonies work, every ant colony depends upon the quality of the individuals it produces. If you overorganize ants, over-legalize them, suppress their urge to greatness — they cannot work and their colony collapses.

by Oh regional Indian
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 23:24
#457845

Glad it struck a chord RC. It did likewise for me.

Timeless.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

by Ripped Chunk
on Thu, 07/08/2010 - 09:36
#458258

It would have been cool if they had the balls to make Dune a 7 hour movie so they could actually tell the whole story and work all of the nuances into it with some more narration.

But the Hollywood bean counters would have said: huh?

Best just to read the book over and over.

 

by Joe Shmoe
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:33
#456736


Wow, then wouldn't it be great for Barclay's if they were in, say, a non-alpha market, like index funds, or ETFs, as in iShares?  

by docj
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:35
#456740

Off-topic: some absolutely gag-worthy sycophantic "reporting" from al-Reuters: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_obama_trade

The US is "on track" to double exports over the next 5-years?  Really?

Two questions:

1) Double exports of what?

2) To whom?

by HelluvaEngineer
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:44
#456755

...but it's right there on the teleprompter, and it don't lie

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:59
#456777

Actually the defense that will be used when this entire mess comes crashing down and the public show trials begin will be that people don't lie, teleprompters lie.

The previous defense of "I was just following orders" will morph into "I was just reading the teleprompter".

by carbonmutant
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:14
#456801

You mean they'll start blaming their tools?

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:37
#456828

So much meaning in your 7 words, particularly the last one. :>)

Tool–noun
1. an implement, esp. one held in the hand, as a hammer, saw, or file, for performing or facilitating mechanical operations.
2. any instrument of manual operation.
3. the cutting or machining part of a lathe, planer, drill, or similar machine.
4. the machine itself; a machine tool.
5. anything used as a means of accomplishing a task or purpose: Education is a tool for success.
6. a person manipulated by another for the latter's own ends; cat's-paw.
7. the design or ornament impressed upon the cover of a book.
8. Underworld Slang .
a. a pistol or gun.
b. a pickpocket.
9. Slang: Vulgar . penis.
–verb (used with object)
10. to work or shape with a tool.
11. to work decoratively with a hand tool.
12. to ornament (the cover of a book) with a bookbinder's tool.
13. to drive (a vehicle): He tooled the car along the treacherous path.
14. to equip with tools or machinery.
–verb (used without object)
15. to work with a tool.
16. to drive or ride in a vehicle: tooling along the freeway.

17. tool up, to install machinery designed for performing a particular job: manufacturers tooling up for production.
by carbonmutant
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:01
#456983

English is such a colorful language...

by Ripped Chunk
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:41
#457039

Tool (proper name) the best American band  still actively playing

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:50
#457053

wife: CD, what did you learn on ZH today?

CD: I learned about an American band called "Tool". Ripped Chunk says they're the best.

wife: Who's Ripped Chunk?

CD: Just some crazy ZH blogger.

wife: Are you cheating on me again?

CD: Again? That's a loaded question dear. What's for supper?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_(band)

by Ripped Chunk
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 17:17
#457399

There is no best. Things that attract like minded souls to meet and share ideas is good and even sacred for a while.  Music, literature and art are the mediums that often facilitate these events.

 

 

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 17:26
#457420

RC

I was dissing myself, not you. I had never heard of "Tool" until today.

by Ripped Chunk
on Thu, 07/08/2010 - 09:52
#458282

I realized that. I would not say they are unknown, especially for the past 7 or 8 years. But they do draw in people from many mind sets. 

They are a musician's band meaning they are admired by people who play. But the lyrics are also as challenging if not more so than the music. So they have become pretty influential.  Like anything else, as the fan base has grown you will get an influx of people who are not honestly drawn in by the music (because they can't really get there intellectually), but arrive because they "heard it was cool" from someone they might have found to be interesting for 15 or 20 seconds. Maynard kind of addresses this "type of fan" in "Hooker With a Penis" on   ænima

by wretch
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 15:43
#457236

+10,000 Days

by Ripped Chunk
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 17:02
#457331

by DoChenRollingBearing
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:36
#456826

Somewhat O/T, but I have to thank you again CogDiss for your work in helping us ZH-ers beat the lies, painful as all this is.

It's getting really hard to take all this fakery everywhere.

I do not see how we get out of the box.  We're doomed!  So, I am just going to sit on my assets and do zip.

Invest?  Forget it.

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:54
#456844

When things look the blackest and I feel there is nothing I can do, I try to remember a few things.

There's always work to be done on myself. Always.

And I turn to the Serenity prayer given to me many years ago to help me understand the difference between feeling hopeless and being hopeless. Sometimes I'm so focused on the things I cannot change that I forget that there are things I can change.

God, grant us the Serenity to accept things we cannot change, Courage to change the things we can and the Wisdom to know the difference

Feel free to substitute anything or one you please for the word God. I do. Never let religion get in the way of wisdom and these are wise words regardless of who or what said them or who or what they refer to.

by DoChenRollingBearing
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:57
#456870

That was very good CD.  Thanks.  I can always work on making myself better.

Actually I feel better than 20 minutes ago.

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:00
#456878

Where do I send the bill? :>)

by Ripped Chunk
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:43
#457041

Make a donation to AA instead. I'm sure things are getting busier.

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:53
#457058

Anyone notice the frantic ponzi pump has Dow over 10,000..........again? They weren't going to stop until that happened. It became obvious around lunch.

And Gold's been driving all day and is now over $1,200.

by docj
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:40
#456950

Amen!

by suteibu
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:48
#456762

He has no problem just throwing random numbers around to support his wet dreams, does he?

by hedgeless_horseman
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:52
#456766

Problem?  It is his strength.  I wonder what % of Barry O'Potus' presidency will be spent on the air.  Must be a record.

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:02
#456782

It's right there in the fine print.

"As a result of these policies, and a global economic rebound, exports in the first four months of 2010 grew almost 17 percent from the same period last year," the White House said in its progress report on Obama's export push."

So they're comparing the worst 4 months of 2009 to today, to which I reply "And it's only up 17 percent?"

by Astute Investor
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:54
#456865

+1

The White House is not familiar with the concept of "easy comps"....

by carbonmutant
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:17
#456806

At least his handlers have trained him to keep his finger pointed up instead of at the viewers...

by Tom Servo
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:43
#456843

1) Empty shipping containers

2) Places where they manufacture things, China, Malaysia, just looked at my shoes that were made in Vietnam

by Kegfreak
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:32
#456937

1.Bombs and Missles

2.Mexico drug gangs

by Scooby Dooby Doo
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:40
#456750

It is a stock pickers market you just have to pick what you like not what you know. Case in point, and a true confession.

I LIKE PIRATES. There I said it. So I bought DEO, parent company of Captain Morgan.

I made money. Money that I can spend to buy more Captain Morgan. Arrrgh.

by DoChenRollingBearing
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:37
#456829

+ $20!

Finally I get a laugh today!

by buzzsaw99
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:42
#456752

That also helps explain the volume being concentrated in just a few names. Why bother digging when equities move in lockstep? Identify the trend then throw down at the table with the most players.

by Joe Shmoe
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:44
#456756

I actually did a study on this once.  People report it like it's the same scenario, regardless of where in the equities spectrum you invest.  From my study (admittedly 5 years old now), availability of alpha was very minimal over long term in large cap (growth and value) domestic.  But in Small Cap, emerging markets, some international, alpha is much more available: meaning good managers earn their keep in less crowded sectors, not in mainstream sectors.  Of course, none of this might make any difference in a crash or structural down trend.  

by Popo
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:46
#456758

b.b.but... what about Chinese solars?

by DavidC
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:49
#456759

I was talking with someone earlier today who's been trading since the 1960s - he says that all markets (effectively) go the same way these days - in the 1990s for example when the Nikkei was falling, the US was rising. Very interesting man.

Looks a bit HFT-ish since the London close this afternoon - gradual lobster boiling, pip by pip up. Just noticed Tyler's favourite is also climbing though (AUDJPY) so it could just be that!

Meltup on the close?

DavidC

by traderjoe
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:04
#456787

Was it Art Cashin? Do the ice cubes stand a chance?

by firstdivision
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:50
#456765

Well, since correlation has been through the roof, that is just setting us up for one big fall.  There will be no safe haven from any major fluctuations, and now the term "defensive stock" is rendered irrelevant.  We are on the precipice of a major event and whether it is good or bad, we will find out on the other side.

 

by colonial
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:52
#456767

Hey Tyler, what about a caveat?  I agree with the premise and have said so on this site for months.  I called it the commoditization of the market.  I have also argued that on a larger scale, other linchpins of the investment world as we knew it are gone forever.    

For instance, what's a brokerage house today?  They are mostly now universal banks, with a few exceptions, (Brown Brothers, Jeffries, etc.)  What is an exchange?  You have written extensively on trading issues. 

Since the fiduciary debate refuses to go away, what's the definition of an investment professional?  If captive license holders no longer work for the House but must now work on behalf of the investor/client, why work for a House? 

This industry is changing before our eyes and the idiots in Washington don't have a clue what's going on...which is really scary. 

Here's my caveat, I think many mega cap stocks are in essence ETF's and/or indexes as well.  Therefore, traders and investors can now be long or short an index and add "alpha" by including a GE, XOM, JNJ, WMT etc.  Maybe the claim should be that the OEX components are also indexes.  Adding mega caps, long or short, provides limited alpha. 

by stickyfingers
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:28
#456819

Maybe that's why Uncle Warren bought Burlington.

by Coldcall
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:54
#456768

Bollocks. It may have been difficult (picking stocks) recently because the markets are uncertain thanks to our incompetent western politicians neglecting their fiduciary duties.

But good stock/sector picking is as important as ever, and these little diatribes from the likes of Barclays are all about convincing private investors that they cannot go it alone, and must sign up for an investment account with the big boys.

They are pissed because privates arent playing the "game".

by SheepDog-One
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:06
#456789

Exactly Coldcall...whats all this making sense of who is in what stocks and which direction picked? No one is IN the stock markets, isnt that what the Zerohedge series about the massive draws out of funds etc asserts? 4% of daily market activity is retail investors as I picked out of some article yesterday? Bollocks, dead empty casino and everyone knows its crooked as hell.

<Theyre pissed because the privates arent playing the game> 

Thats right! Theyre playing with THEMSELVES so who cares what they pump and when...no ones in it for them to rob so theyre pissed off and throwing tantrums. So let them wring their hands and fret over S&P 1040 level, who cares certainly not me.

by Occams Aftershave
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:57
#456773

Leveraged beta is the new alpha.

by the grateful un...
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:02
#456781

sounds good for the retail brokers, they can lay off more of their analysts, and their tech department if they still have one. i was just thinking, how can the S&P get to 1300 without the retail sector? easy.

by firstdivision
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:17
#456805

Is it just me or does volume seem light with all this great outstanding good news?  One would feel people would be buying all they can if all was well.  (PS SPX just kicked in the 33 Liberty built afterburners)

by -1Delta
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:19
#456808

so lame... 1043 wtf

by dirtiersanchez
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:29
#456814

The short camp is filled. Barton was last to enter. I can see them from here from my little tent. The ZH'rs and doomsayers stoking bonfires in unison. Enjoy this face ripping melt up while you all stroke each other on the same info. Remember, group think will hurt your performance. Time to cover kids...or just shout louder. Y'all are under the 1040 coffee table looking up through the glass. Its ok, you can come back out.

by firstdivision
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:35
#456825

I see what you're saying, but let us see what happens after 2pm before we can declare a floor (well 1020 would obviously be the floor) or ceiling.  Additionally, I wouldn't say the coast is clear until next weeks numbers come out supporting todays moves. 

by DoChenRollingBearing
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:48
#456853

I don't think the coast is ever going to be clear.

by Hansel
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:38
#456948

+1, most people act like, at some point, something will happen and we will get finality and resolution, but... this is the game that never ends.

by Scooby Dooby Doo
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:38
#456832

Wow, a full hour after your post and no junks.

These Bilda-bears are all zombied out. I heard that a user here by the name of Chumbawamba got a job as a punching bag at a MMA training center in Vegas just so that he could fell less beat up.

Bulls take 2009 and 2010. What a defeat.

by dirtiersanchez
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:44
#456848

He was chumbawamba. Gotta love the wind in your hair on the way down the slope. The walk back up however is painful. Works both ways. Groupthink will open your wallet and spill your C notes. 

by RicktheDick
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:51
#456861

It's not about Bulls vs. Bears guy. I don't care what direction the market takes. You can just as easily make money on the way up as you can on the way down. It's about making sense of the economic landscape, and formulating an opinion based on the facts.

And the S&P is down on the year buddy... 

by dirtiersanchez
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:05
#456883

Dickrick, if making sense of landscapes was the ZH forte then you would be picnicking in a burnt  grass field. The slant here overwhelmingly neg biased. Most news items posted are footnoted with a negative spin. And they are further footnoted with negative comments. Frankly its like being at a craps table with no room to bet on the dont pass. Lemmings are cute they tend to migrate in a way that lacks self preservation. Beware the melt up.

by RicktheDick
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:20
#456907

Dirt, of course their is a negative bias on ZH. But can you really blame anyone? It's long been the practice of both government and major financial institutions throughout the world to screw the little guy by promulgating bull$hit information in the hopes of weaseling away his money to fund their irrational speculation. Wall St. has Main St. by the balls. What else are you going to do with your money? Can't sit in cash forever. Your only option is the capital markets or real estate. Either way your ass belongs to them.

And a two day move upward totaling an eye-popping 3% doesn't translate into a swing in market sentiment. Let's revisit where the market is at the end of the year when a major European bank has gone under, the Federal government has hit their debt ceiling. 

by Young
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:15
#456901

It's called a countertrend douche... We don't like 'em, but gives us a nice op to stack up some more shorts. BTW. I'll be serving you soup in about a year.

by dirtiersanchez
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:39
#456834

Legacy programs kick in at 2:30...names are at highs with size bids. This tape has more legs than a rockettes xmas special. I just saw Barton run past me screaming. The wrong way mind you. If a late day fade is in your cards...shuffle your deck. The narrow breadth is widening and reversing the myopic move we saw yesterday. This melt up will be ugly for the dont betters. 

by firstdivision
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:53
#456850

Eh, I'm all cash today.  Closed my only position yesterday (which was actually a short position).  Debated going in some long etfs for the rest of the week, but I decided to sit on my winnings for the rest of the week before gambling it away next week. 

If we break 1050 today, I would have to personally declare the rally unsustainable with the lack of data to support it. 

by ReallySparky
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:40
#456838

Tyler, Nice plug on Maxkeiser.com today! 

by buzlightening
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:44
#456845

Coast to east roast rolling blackout dialing for dollar daze!!  Last jolt of flipper paper ponzi'd cadaver the AmeriCON'd way!! Coast to roast bankingextended holidaze on the way for AmeriCON'd DIMMS soon! I feel it in my bullion based paper ponzi'd true american chastity belt!! 

by Korbin Dallas
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:46
#456851

3 years hence: "I did not lie with that teleprompter." (while wagging finger)

Quelle fromage! (dommage 4 froggies)

 

by Vampyroteuthis ...
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:00
#456877

Yep, the HFTs have won. They take money at will.

by firstdivision
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:05
#456885

Well there went my sitting on my cash statement.  Since we broke 1050, I am starting to move into shorts.  Thanks irrational market

by ATG
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:12
#456897

The pessimism on ZH seems palpable, pervasive, perennial.

Could this be from having missed 82% of the SPX move since March 2009 or 256% of the AAPL move?

Guess some people can rationalize failure forever...

by firstdivision
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:32
#456934

Personally I was long from Feb 2009 until March of this year.  I opened my eyes to the world around me and noticed that little has changed in jobs, job creation, and welfare figures rising.  Until I see the fact that jobs are being created, I have no faith in the market at this level.  People need an income to spend, and even though we see these strategic defaults in order to spend on discretionary items, it is not a sustainable solution.  I am not a permaBear, and want to be optimistic, but it is hard without real evidence to be optimistic. 

BTW stores have been closing at an extremely high rate this year.

by ATG
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:54
#457052

Thanks FD...

"Personally I was long from Feb 2009 until March of this year."

Based on all the bearya posts and comments on ZH so far while the market climbs a wall of worry,

with the exception of the bullish Gold "bitchez" while gold fell $357 last year, you may be the exception.

Let me know when ZH makes a serious bullish post on stocks or

bearish post on gold other than GW, LK or MHFT, so I can sell/buy.

Doom and gloom is not a successful religion, as JP Morgan pointed out:

(Where are the mansions the bears built?, not Where are the customers' yachts?)

Until ZH commenters stop junking the truth, or ZH discloses the anonymous cowardly sources of the Junks, it may continue to be the ultimate website for short sheeple getting reamed and creamed...

 

 

by dantes1807
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:22
#456913

I've become largely a relative value and directional trader due to the high correlation of all assets. I read about these stock pickers all the time. It seems like a fools game. Moreover, as the article suggests, when everything is up or down it means the market is in serious bull mode or bear mode. In this case, bear mode.

by Chip
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:26
#456921

It's still better than Denninger's site...most of the posters over there are still in disbelief we are not all living in caves and cannabilizing each other after 08.

by dirtiersanchez
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:35
#456943

Headlines capture eyeballs. Human nature is to stare at a car crash and glaze over at a lemonade stand. At least Pragcap plays it both ways. Business insider..oofah.....They have cornered the market in capitalized boldfaced fonts on down days.  Irrelevance is the result of groupthink.

by chindit13
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:38
#456949

We've got just the right kind of volume today (little to none) and wishful thinking that can tack on the 257 points needed to have the market go back to predicting economic recovery.

Don't let the six or seven point downmove fool you into thinking it's yesterday once more.  This is a new day, with renewed unbridled optimism and clear sailing to that "psychologically important level" (aren't they all) of 10,000 Dow.  The last five minutes today should be epic.

Maybe we can't have a good economy, but at least we can have a good equity market, and really, what is more important?  Clearly our elected officials think the market is infinitely more important than the economy, since they have spent so much money trying to prop up the indices and the banks, and precious little to stabilize the lives and well-being of the folks left behind.

Laid off and exhausted your emergency UE?  Well, you'll probably commit suicide before the next election anyway, so why should any politician give you a moment's thought?

by firstdivision
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:45
#456962

Laid off and exhausted your emergency UE?  Well, you'll probably commit suicide before the next election anyway, so why should any politician give you a moment's thought?

 

That made me laugh, but is also a sad truth.

by firstdivision
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:10
#456955

I was expecting more movement, up or down, here after 2:30.  Seems really quiet for this time of day...did I just watch a tumbleweed go flying across the NYSE floor? It is really strange that the market just quits trying once it hits 1050, but kicks in at 1048.75. Let me guess what they want the new resistence level to be...

by ATG
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 15:04
#457101

SPX 1061...

by duncecap rack
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:16
#457003

Where could I find a primer as to what all the greek letters mean in these discussions? I understand from context that alpha is an individual stock and beta is something like spy but I have also seen talk on here of delta and theta. If anyone knows of where I could find a list with explanations I would appreciate it. Thanks

by firstdivision
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:29
#457022

Beta is not SPY but the actual SPX.  For the other Greeks, here ya go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_(finance) but as you can see involves partial differentiation.

by duncecap rack
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:43
#457044

Thank you very much. I have not read this whole article - but I will. I trade stock options almost exclusively. I have always dealt with valuations by feel but it will be very useful to know the math of how the robots value their side of the bet.

Thanks again

by juwes
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:42
#457037

So annoyingly predictable.  A friend who is locked into a market based annuity for life has a choice for different levels of exposure.  Advised him above 1050 stay aggressive, below 1000 conservative.  Within two days market ramps up to 1050 (I had him conservative since 1200 area, but I'm afraid money pumpers could get us back there with a few minutes of forced short covering).

 

It has always been this way.  I have a sick sense where the magnetic price levels are.

by ozziindaus
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:53
#457060

with 1/2 an hour left, I think it's a good time to announce the statistical winner today.

PREDICTION...............OF WORLD CUP WINNER This world cup is already determined by the numbers....

1. Brazil won tha World Cup in 1994; before that they also won in 1970. Adding 1970 + 1994= 3964

2. Argentina won its last World Cup in 1986; before that they also won in 1978.Adding 1978 + 1986= 3964

3. Germany won its last World Cup in 1990; before that they also won in 1974.Adding 1974 + 1990= 3964

4. Brazil also won the World Cup in 2002; before that they also won in 1962.Adding 1962+ 2002= 3964

5. Therefore if you want to know what nation is going to win the World Cup in 2010, you only have to subtract 2010 from the magic number that we have determined: 3964. 3964 minus 2010 = 1954...

In 1954 the World Cup was won by Germany!!! Probably not scientific......... but pretty interesting............ LETS WAIT & WATCH......

by Clycntct
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 15:08
#457119

Man you had me right up to "Probably not scientific"

Damn I only go with the science.

by Bankster T Cubed
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 15:38
#457221

the banksters have completely destroyed the markets and the economy by making them both their bitches to be controlled like abused animals

the markets as they currently exist perform only one function: to transfer money from non-banksters to banksters.   not a shred of legitimacy left to the capital-allocation aspects or to the investment aspects.  100% pure farce.

by JohnG
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 15:45
#457244

"But we certainly do not believe that what sent the market rallying on March 9th, 2009 was not the unsustainable level of cross-sectional stock correlations. Rather, we hold it was a combination of wise and coordinated monetary and fiscal policies by governments and central bankers across the globe."

 

WTF???? Wise??

by CapitalHole
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 18:39
#457538

The correlations keep going up because the algos that trade equities based on historical correlation keep arbing them back into the herd. This is a self-reinforcing positive feedback loop. Stocks A and B historically have a correlation of 0.8. A goes up, and B hasn't moved yet, so AlgoMan swoops in and buys B up on the theory that the correlation should hold. Over time this algo causes A and B to move increasingly in unison and the correlation approaches 1. Ignoring any divergence in the fundamentals.

But wait, everything has a correlation with everything else. So any time a fundamental investor causes a drop in the pond, the algos radiate the ripple through every other asset in proportion to the correlation. Over time, everything moves in lockstep with everything else based on massive algo volume.

So now, the slightest perturbation can cause a melt-up or melt-down.

Is this bad for stock pickers? Not if you have the courage to be a contrarian. Find companies where the stock prices have moved together, with ever-increasing correlations, but with divergent underlying business fundamentals. Then apply that archaic and long-forgotten hedge-fund tactic, the long/short. When the reality that one side is a loser and the other a winner becomes blindingly obvious, the correlation has to fall apart.

I say it's a brilliant time to be a stock picker. Good times ahead...

by mcarthur
on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 19:17
#457590

This is important.  Recall the blow up of the Nifty Fifty.  Deja vu all over again.

by Grand Supercycle
on Thu, 07/08/2010 - 05:34
#457927

 

Ok, i've decided i can't put it off any longer - here it is ...

Scary DOW monthly chart.

http://stockmarket618.wordpress.com

by Astute Investor
on Thu, 07/08/2010 - 08:19
#458100

Alpha is dead?

Rock is dead?

Long live alpha!

Long live rock!

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#532597

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