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America Laughs As Jon Stewart Explains How Ben Bernanke Is Robbing It Blind

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Sick of bears explaining QE2? Prefer to watch Jon Stewart roasting the monetary Hewlett Retard instead? Here is your chance. Somehow catching Ben Bernanke lying on national TV has become not only a national sport, but one that provokes uncontrollable laughter... Ironically that is the laughter of all those whose money on a daily basis is worth less and less, courtesy of the Chancellor (Chairman is so QE1) buying back $50 billion in debt every week. Presumably laughing as one's net worth is getting destroyed makes it more palatable. Just wait as the country collapses into uncontrollable hysteric guffaws as the 30 Year mortgage passes 5%, then 6%, then 7%, etc. destroying up to 25% of household net worth.


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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:13 | 788473 Oh regional Indian
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Sadly for America, I find it hard to laugh.

A comedian is the bell-weather for honest journalism in America. His rally, along with his other funny-monkey drew thousands to the Capitola!

Also, how many here know that his brother is a top dog at the NYSE?

John Stewart, funny though he is, is a Psy-op!

Laugh at your own peril, even if he seems to speak some truth.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:15 | 788477 Sudden Debt
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So Jon Stewart is a rapist to?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:18 | 788492 MarketTruth
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Stewart's older brother is Larry Leibowitz who just so happens to be the CEO at the New York Stock Exchange.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:19 | 788499 SheepDog-One
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Oy Vey!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:32 | 788787 prophet
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You made me chuckle twice already today. Have a great weekend, uh oh its only Wednesday, i better get busy.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:22 | 789001 the mad hatter
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He's also a whore for Obama. Anyone who watched him during the last election would know.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:43 | 789238 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Which daily show xmas special made fun of people that buy gold?

Stewart and Johhny Bravo have a lot in common.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 18:51 | 790513 kubrick007
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who cares who is brother is or if he made fun of gold...sad truth is that he is more knowledgeable than our news anchors...pretty pathetic

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 19:35 | 790709 JonNadler
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why is my name having to be brought into this I, JonnyB.....I mean... I forgot to change screen names sorry

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:56 | 789273 whatsinaname
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Bruce K. (I think) a while ago had posted something about the US not wanting the new 100 dollar bills in circulation - to not reduce old (and fake) dollar supply in circulation. Thats exactly whats happening here ?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:30 | 788547 kridkrid
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That is interesting.  So how does the cabal actually work?  (sounds sarcastic, not meant to be, really).  So I have 2 sisters and a brother.  One I never speak with, one I speak with a few times a year, one I speak with somewhat regularly. 

If John Stewart is "one of them"... are his writers also "one of them".  Was John Stewart enlisted from the "get-go", or did he work his way up in a legit way, but now that he has a platform, he presents what they want him to present when they want him to present it.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:39 | 788582 Bob
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C'mon, get with the program.  He's a product of a CIA breeding program.  Have you ever seen his birth certificate--long form or otherwise?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:04 | 788676 kridkrid
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In a nutshell... I think there is WAY more real "conspiracy" going on than what people want to admit.  I simply believe things are a bit more chaotic than hard core conspiracy theorists want to present.

This thread... and the thread about Wikileaks... Does everyone who shines a light on BullSh-t have to be doing so by design?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:21 | 788734 Bob
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As you can see, I'm pretty fed up with that notion!  GRRRRRRRRR.  It diverts the debate into pure insanity. 

Yes, I think you're right in your assessment.  

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:26 | 788758 cosmictrainwreck
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concur. even if "they" have a master scheme, i just think they're too stoopid to pull it off (or at least the weakest link is). yeah, chaos, you bet - not to mention complexity. don't have scientific data yet, but my gut is the more complex, the easier to fuck up; hyperbolic analogy is downing a $200 million aircraft when a $10 widget goes out (used to be $1.95, know)

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:48 | 788874 A Nanny Moose
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The level of effort required to maintain a lie is infinitely greater than the level of effort required for truth to bubble up to the surface.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:14 | 788974 Mikebrah
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Love this quote, is it yours?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 20:50 | 791003 Rhodin
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A famous pirate once said,  "three can keep a secret if two are dead" !

Later they called it "mission closure".  Probably why we still don't know for sure who hit JFK, for which of the 20+ reasons.

Nowadays they do stuff in the open, and say their shit is ice cream.  Some really believe it's ice cream.  Most people play along, cause they wouldn't want to be "crazy" ,  "on that list", or "lose my clearance" etc.

Looks relatively effortless to me, as long as the matrix holds up.

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 09:46 | 792024 Batty Koda
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Yes sure, secrets don't exist, everyone always tells the truth. I doubt you really believe that, it's just a lazy way of dismissing conspiracies.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:24 | 789008 Harbourcity
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Thank you for saying this.

It seems very telling to me that the conspiracy's rely on a huge complicated structure and design (Julian Assange, Jon Stewart etc are Psyops) and yet... YET, the core conspiracy theorists see through them...


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:30 | 789146 downrodeo
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This is a good point and something to keep in mind when a person comes to you and tells you that they have it all figured out; that they see the conspiracy that almost nobody else understands. On the other hand, it is equally naive to assume that 'conspiracies' don't exist, as Cass Sunstein would have you believe. I'm not trying to imply that you said anything to that effect, but I want to point out that the slope is slippery on both sides. 


I mean, by the dictionary definition [], almost no significant action is taken without a 'conspiracy' between a few important actors. For instance, would you say that it is true that the Fed is conspiring against the holders of dollars right now? In my view, they most certainly are. The cloak and dagger business comes in when they do things like call monetary debasement quantitative easing, and then straight up lie about it on national television.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:34 | 789203 Bring the Gold
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Very well said. It's interesting to note that Susstein singled out 9/11 conspiracy theories (other than the government approved ones of course) in particular to discredit and attack.

Your post is excellent in pointing out the dangers of going full blown psychotic with paranoia and the head in the sand approach being roughly equal. Both are damaging to say the least. I believe a lot of the craziest CT's out there (alien extra-dimensional beings etc) are psy-ops to induce paranoia and blunt critical thinking. Great post. Don't be naive but also don't be ludicrously paranoid. Discernment is the marquee skill of the (dis)information age.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:49 | 789204 Bring the Gold
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double post, sigh.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:53 | 789266 YHC-FTSE
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Sat, 12/11/2010 - 18:12 | 799185 Lord Koos
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean no one is after you.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:28 | 789181 downrodeo
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:30 | 789189 Ahmeexnal
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C'mon, get with the program.  He's a product of a CIA breeding program.  Have you ever seen his birth certificate--long form or otherwise?


His birth certificate is filed right next to those of Assange and POTUS.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:53 | 789264 Bob
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Now that's a good way to discredit yourself around here these days.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I sense that you may not be on the right side of the 9-11 issue.  I cannot have any faith whatsoever in anyone who does not know for a fact that 9-11 was an inside job. 

But Stewart?  The reason nobody's seen his birth certificate is that none exists.  He was cloned in a Mossad lab. 

Don't you find it strange that the photos of the planes hitting the World Trade Center don't show Stewart in the pilot seat??  The CIA obviously photoshopped the truth away--one of Stewart's clones was piloting that plane.

How naive you sheeple are. 

/sarc ^n+infinity

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:52 | 788632 Teddy Turner
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Yes the media is completely honest and legitimate.  Believe... Believe.. Believe.. my little sheeple.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:08 | 788688 kridkrid
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Your straw man has nothing to do with my post.  Do people realize how cartoon-like they appear when they post things like this?  I'm somewhere near Noam Chomsky in my belief in our media.  That wasn't my point.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:25 | 788754 Teddy Turner
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It's a joke fuckhead.  Get over yourself.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:30 | 788778 kridkrid
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Sorry... I didn't get it (still don't) but OK.  I'm "over myself"... are you?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:31 | 788782 Teddy Turner
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There you go being an asshole again

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:37 | 788818 kridkrid
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You have now called me a fuckhead and an asshole.  Everything ok?  Do we know each other from somewhere?  I'm moving on.  Cheers.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:41 | 788849 Teddy Turner
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I just call'em like I see'em buddy.  How about a buffalo burger as a peace offering?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:51 | 788887 Ripped Chunk
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Calling them like you see them when you are in reality delusional just adds to the useless static.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:29 | 789024 Teddy Turner
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Nice name.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:55 | 788909 TheProphet
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That's funny. A total stranger curses you, and you know yourself well enough to conclude that he must know you somehow.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:55 | 788910 TheProphet
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That's funny. A total stranger curses you, and you know yourself well enough to conclude that he must know you somehow.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:28 | 788774 Teddy Turner
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P.S. Chomsky is a fool.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:34 | 788794 kridkrid
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How so?  A couple of examples would be useful.  Or is he just a fool "in general".  For what it is worth... I'm a huge fan of his critique or American foreign policy... I believe he speaks the truth.  I believe his economics are a bit misguided.  But to call him a fool seems a bit, foolish.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:37 | 788817 Teddy Turner
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Have you seen his comments on 9/11.  Merely assumptions without looking at any hard evidence. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:38 | 788823 Teddy Turner
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Interviewing with this guy doesn't help much either.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:57 | 788917 alpds
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What does the Ali G interview prove? you seem to be foxynews-like high on name calling and low on evidence...

ps: NC forgets in a minute more than you have ever comprehended and learned. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:59 | 788928 Teddy Turner
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Now I've got to deal with another one of you clowns.  this "Ali G" guy is a total goof.  Anyone who would be interviewed by this guy has questionable decision making skills.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:15 | 788975 FEDbuster
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I would love to see an "Ali G" half hour interview with the Ben Bernak. "So let me get this straight, you print the monies outta thin air?"

Maybe when Sasha gets done with the new Queen movie?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:52 | 788893 alpds
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Noam Chomsky conducted a very thorough and deeply researched analysis of the media. His thesis in Manufacturing Consent (MC) provides ample evidence to support his position and conclusion (think Einhorn analyzing Allied Capital or LH with their internal documents). It is not a believe, it's a fact that the corporate media misinforms and indoctrinates the public. Read the bibliography sources provided in MC: hard, cold, naked facts.

"During the Cold War, a group of Russian journalists toured the United States. On the final day of their visit, they were asked by their hosts for their impressions. 'I have to tell you,' said their spokesman, 'that we were astonished to find after reading all the newspapers and watching TV, that all the opinions on all the vital issues were by and large, the same. To get that result in our country, we imprison people, we tear out their fingernails. Here, you don't have that. What's the secret? How do you do it?" ~ John Pilger


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:57 | 788915 Teddy Turner
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Totally agree.  But like I said the man just made up assumptions when it came to 9/11 and that in my book makes him a fool.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:59 | 788927 alpds
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what comments? are you saying 9/11 is inside job? and b/c he doesn't think so he is a fool?

pls clarify. I have seen his comments but have no clue what you are alluding to.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:11 | 788964 Teddy Turner
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Within this video he says anyone who knows anything about science would discredit the conspiracy theories.  This many clearly has not done the research.  If he had he could have the found the answers.  Oh and he says it's not worth finding out the true reasons for the JFK assassination.  These are major flags.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:37 | 789047 alpds
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Dude, you are a fool!

Since this is a financial news site let me ask you: does every successful money manager make money on every investment? In other words, does every great investor always right when he/she takes a position? And if not, does that make him/her a fool?? 

I still don't understand what is your problem with his answer? I reckon you believe that Bush planned 9/11? It's an inside job? I think Taleb would agree with what NC says. There are plenty of coincidences (randomness) even when one conducts an experiment in a "controlled environment." 

If you actually took time to read what NC wrote (he wrote more books and articles than you have ever read, my assumption) and study his sources you would realize the quality and caliber of NC's character and integrity. 

ps: you should hear the JFK part again b/c you are missing the context and meaning of what he is saying.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:57 | 789099 Teddy Turner
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The reasons behind the JFK assasination are huge to understanding the history of our country.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:43 | 789233 SRV - ES339
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... and Lincoln created the Greenback (non debt based paper) to finance the Civil War, denying the banksters their "rightful" slice off the top... Que the lone gunman (got a bit out of control but the "leakage" was taken care of expeditiously... with ropes).

Rumor has it, "lone gunman" ads are showing up across Europe... something about addressing that messy Wikileaks problem (of course a crazed citizen upset about the UN Cables... this will have nothing to do with the rumored bank emails).

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:26 | 789019 Teddy Turner
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You just have to watch wtc7 collapse to figure out that something was fishy on 9/11.  Listen to Larry Silversteins comments on what took place.  You know. The building he owned that housed the CIA, SEC, FBI, and  Giulliani's emergency HQ.  The building that was  covered by terrorism insurance months before the attacks.  Let's not forget the van on George Washington Bridge that the media conveniently covered up because the guys were caught by the NYPD.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:40 | 789059 alpds
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I have seen Loose Change 5 times... and I agree with NC. It may be that some day (although I highly doubt it, very highly) you will be proven right. The point is: presently there is no way to certainly and definitively tell. It's speculation. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:44 | 789066 Teddy Turner
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Check out the links.  And fuck loose change.  Watch "core of corruption" or "the power of the purse" and then come back and talk to me.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:52 | 789089 alpds
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I saw both... 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:00 | 789106 Teddy Turner
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I'll call bullshit.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:02 | 789118 alpds
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I had seen most of the links you provided.

One of the things NC states over and over in many of his books, speeches and lectures is that poeple who own the country govern it. If anyone had any doubts, the recent whatever-you-wish-to-call it crisis provides an abundance of evidence. NC stated that on record and IN PRINT! decades before core of corruption and power of the purse. 

You didn't respond to my questions/points, fool! 


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:04 | 789121 Teddy Turner
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You know what your problem is.  You keep stating what "NC" says.  Use your fucking brain and think for yourself asshole and stop finding some clown to follow!  That's the problem with this country!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:29 | 789184 alpds
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There you go sage, keep on name calling and cussing. It makes your arguments so much stronger and you so much wiser.

To paraphrase: I don't like to wrestle with a pig, we both get dirty and the pig likes it. 


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:30 | 789191 Teddy Turner
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That's not an insult?  Just admit when you're beat.  My guess is you're to trapped by your current paradigm that you will die in ignorance.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:33 | 789199 Teddy Turner
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And yes cussing communicates emotion.  Is that now ok?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:45 | 789241 kridkrid
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It shows that you might be a bit unhinged.  Is that OK?  It's fine with me.  I don't have litmus tests for people.  The fact that you write like a middle school kid doesn't mean that what you write is wrong.  The fact that NC doesn't believe that our government engineered 9/11 doesn't mean that he carries water for the American Government.  Noam Chomsky provides fantastic critiques of our Imperialistic foreign policy done in support of corporate interests and the support provided to that policy by our corporate run media.  You like to cuss.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:57 | 789276 Teddy Turner
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I'm not unhinged.  I'm just fucking pissed off!  Fuck You and Noam Chomsky!  I didn't say he's an insider I said he's a fool for disregarding evidence (or never researching) 9/11 and saying that to put time in investigating the JFK assassination is wasted energy.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:53 | 789263 Ripped Chunk
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Yea, and so does pistol whipping someone while you are ass fucking them. Shut up Ted.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:57 | 789279 Teddy Turner
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Ha.  You're simple mind...

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:08 | 789318 Teddy Turner
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"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."



Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:30 | 789383 alpds
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The above quote certainly pertains to NC.

A proverb that is much more suitable to you is: "The emptiest barrel creates the loudest sound."  

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:40 | 789406 Teddy Turner
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I have a message of substance and truth.  All you have is your head up NC's ass!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:40 | 789409 Teddy Turner
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I have a message of substance and truth.  All you have is your head up NC's ass!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:39 | 789405 kridkrid
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Weak minds... think about what you are doing.  You have drawn a line in the sand over one particular belief that you hold to fully discount (in your mind) a man who has contributed more to the search for truth than perhaps any individual alive.  And you scream about people not thinking for themselves... remarkable.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:46 | 789433 Teddy Turner
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There are many great men who have contributed towards the search for truth.  You talk about this man as if he is your savior.  You should hold no man at such levels.  And if he can't crack 9/11 then we have a serious problem because the evidence is everywhere.  I do not hold what I know about the events of september 11 as beliefs.  I look at the facts and make logical decisions.  You should too. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:01 | 789491 kridkrid
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Really?  I talk about him like he is my savior?  Fairly early in this exchange I shared where I agree with him and a fairly big arena in which I disagree?  Does that sound like hero worship?  In fact, when I first mentioned him, it was purely in reference to my view of the media, nothing else (though I later expanded what I value about NC to be his critique on American foreign policy in support of corporatism (in which the media plays a huge role).

And say what you want... you hold beliefs.  And who knows... they may even be beliefs that I share as I certainly don't buy the story as it was crafted and presented to us.  So my beliefs on this subject differ from NC's.  But for me, one's bonafides don't rest on an adherence to a single POV on a single subject.    Unless you can tell me specifically who (names) created the plan to fly planes into buildings you possess nothing more than beliefs.  You have created a narrative... just like everyone else. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:14 | 789557 Teddy Turner
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Watch "core of coruption" and you could learn alot.  You will get plenty of names and Silverstein is a big one I mentioned earlier.  I can tell you this.  The rabbit hole goes much deeper than corporate America.  This man seems to be a gatekeeper.  Why in the world would he imply researching the JFK assassination is wasted energy or not at least comment on how the official 9/11 story is complete BS.  He doesn't have to say Bush did it.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 17:26 | 789914 kridkrid
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:48 | 789917 kridkrid
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"This man seems to be a gatekeeper." - If this is true, he has kept a fairly bizarre cover for the better part of the last 40 years.  Watch him debate Buckley (nearly 40 years ago)... watch him speak out against pretty much every single military intervention in our lifetime.  To me he seems consistent and consistently opposed to power.  I know people don't like that he isn't outspoken on 9/11.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 17:26 | 789924 kridkrid
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:16 | 789566 Teddy Turner
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And..  Let me quote you "a man who has contributed more to the search for truth than perhaps any individual alive" I believe were your exact words.  That's bordering worship.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:47 | 789436 Ripped Chunk
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I will quote myself: "Persons with delusions of adequacy make my brain sad"

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:53 | 789457 Teddy Turner
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I will quote myself also:  "anyone name Ripped Chunk and has nothing useful to say should not say anything at all"

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:57 | 789475 Ripped Chunk
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Teddy, what is in a name? What does your posting name imply?

I am thinking it is time for us to get together for a personal meeting. We can accomplish that anonymously by creating a temporary hotmail account to exchange information. What do you say?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:59 | 789484 Teddy Turner
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You have not contributed one bit to this debate and now you want to talk.  Say what you need to here and I will think about it.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:04 | 789503 Ripped Chunk
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Gutless punk

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:06 | 789508 Ripped Chunk
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How does that work for you pussy?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:08 | 789523 Teddy Turner
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"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."



Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:10 | 789538 Ripped Chunk
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No, really, I like your ideas. The 911 stuff, all things I like to discuss. So seriously.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:19 | 789578 Teddy Turner
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You are too simple for me... 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:27 | 789604 Ripped Chunk
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And you are backpedaling. Just fucking with you mate. Assuming intelligence on the internet is somewhat stupid isn't it?

Assuming your own intelligence is above others is certainly arrogant at the least and at the same time could prove to be your downfall, no?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:31 | 789636 Teddy Turner
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No it's rather easy judging by your comments.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:39 | 789658 Ripped Chunk
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Member for 3 weeks and this is the only story you have posted to? Yes it is. So there is something to your sudden appearance.

Do you like the Daily show?

Are you Jon Stewart?

Are you a troll?

(this is a multiple choice question in case your superior intellect somehow missed it)


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:42 | 789669 Teddy Turner
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Just so you know I've bee reading this site for years.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:42 | 789671 Teddy Turner
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Just so you know I've bee reading this site for years.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:56 | 789932 Ripped Chunk
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I repeat myself when under stress

I repeat myself when under stress

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:50 | 789692 Teddy Turner
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You forgot one.  Is that picture in your profile fat they liposuctioned from your ass.  You know Tyler can make some excellent quality soap from that, you shouldn't discard it.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:56 | 789930 Ripped Chunk
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Nope, its a picture of a person that was torn in half. I cropped it.

Why did you wait until today to post your wisdom? (Feel free to continue lying)

What fun! Don't you agree?


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:06 | 789127 Teddy Turner
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And I guarentee you have not seen the two docs that I posted because otherwise you would have half a brain. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:27 | 789022 Raging Debate
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Thank you Alpds for the information. It was useful. I am surprised it was not obvious to John Pilger why torture wasn't necessary for media to be used so easilly for personal or political agenda. People can hear anything, but they listen to what they want to be reality. So American media driven by agenda was about telling the people what they want to hear. That works until reality demonstrates the obvious truth. A society like the Soviet Union then or United States now that has lost reasoning ability would be surprised about this matter wouldn't they?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:46 | 789070 alpds
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Sorry, I don't follow the point you are trying to make.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:12 | 789772 Oppressed In Ca...
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"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:24 | 788749 downrodeo
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I would like to see JS interview his brother some day. I'm sure he could shed some interesting light on the economic situation.


If you watch him enough, you'll realize that there are certain areas JS won't go into. He only briefly mentions other important topics in passing which allows the viewer to regard the issue as dealt with, which in turn allows us to lay it to rest in our minds.

The daily show is entertaining. That is the bottom line. It's important to view the way the entertainment is framed, the way the boundaries of the discussion are set up from the beginning. After that, I believe it is okay to laugh. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:16 | 788716 alpds
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:21 | 788731 Revolution_star...
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He also met with Timmay for a hour just before his rally. I found that on the internet but Jon has never spoke of the meeting.

You can't make this shit up here people.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:26 | 788746 Bob
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Whodda thought Timmay has a sense of humor?!

He was probably collecting autographed memorabilia for his friends.  Or tightening up the propaganda/conspiracy.  Jeese, it's hard to decide. 

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 11:43 | 792538 Oh regional Indian
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Well well well. 

High wierdness abounds. I wrote a long and telling commentary on why I said what I said up there. And at the end point my machine crashed, to the point where it had to be rebuilt, today. Still not functioning. Clearly I'm meant to keep it short, so here it is..

Jon Jon represents the success (almost the pinnacle) of "programming" and everyone here, protesting till they are blue in the face that, all good, we Americans need to laugh at things, everything, need to look deeply and see how you have been programed into "depth-less, insensitive laughers". And teh master key to that is the laugh track.

Even live studio audiences are told when to laugh, cheer et. al. 


Stage 1: Slap-stick, laugh when someone is stage hurt (Three Stooges, Chaplin, Laurel and Hardy).

Stage 2: Laugh when someone is cruelly made fun of (just go down the list of sit-coms, through the 70's etc. I only know random names, Gilligan's Island etc.)

Note, the laugh track was always there, so you HAD TO LAUGH. it's not called programming for nothing you know.

Stage three: Laugh at every social more known as it is de-constructed, typically accompanied by a.....yup, laugh track. (think Sienfeld)

Stage 4: Watch  people actually hurt themselves (think Jackass) and....laugh some more

stage 5: Watch cartoon characters throw every shred of what is traditionally considered good/moral, the things that tie a society together, into the grinder, (Simpsons, South park, Family Guy)

And stage 6: Laugh at a comedian, brother of the most corrupt organization in the world of finance (after or right there with the FED), the thing (NYSE) which everyone here knows is a cess-pool of corruption), who changed his name for Leibowitz to Stewart, as he delivers terrible news with his arrogant smirk and yo sit in front of the idiot box and laugh at your terrible national,personal and  global predicament.

Everyone down this thread, who feels offended is just an addict. Addicts can justify their drug of choice, especially to themselves.

Seriously, some  conspiracy theorists you are, if you yell and scream as somone tries to call your poison for what it is.

Fractal world folks, get over it.

You've been laugh-track-programmed into submission.



Fri, 12/10/2010 - 15:35 | 796530 downrodeo
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"You've been laugh-track-programmed into submission."


i dunno man, i kind of even find that to be funny. I find it funny that people are willing to go along with it. I find it funny that despite what I know to be true, I remain an 'addict' (which I most certainly am, there is no denying that fact). I find it funny that with all of the great ideas and wonderful machinations we conceive, we still can't seem to do a damn thing to make anything different or better.


What I don't get is your reference to the fractal world. What do you mean specifically?

Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:36 | 798497 Oh regional Indian
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Hey DownR,

The fractal reference is to the fact that if we are programmed in one area of our lives, we are most likely programmed in all the others also. Maybe different flavours of programming, but programmed we are. 

If you laugh with the laugh track on TV to senseless violence (like Jackass), you may not laugh, but you'll watch a city being bombed out of existance with equanimity.

Like that.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:18 | 788494 tmosley
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No, only those who oppose the US and reveal her naughty secrets are rapists.  Also, anyone who is unliked or out of favor (by whom?  Anyone with power, of course!).

Now shut up before they start calling you a child molester.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:19 | 788498 Bob
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Let me be first to invoke the Devil: Soros

Soros and Massad. 

There, have at it, boogie boyz.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:20 | 788504 SheepDog-One
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Mossad...root word- Moses.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:23 | 788521 Bob
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It's just chilling, ain't it? /sarc

The racists are slow on the draw today--do we have a "Hitler was right" yet?  Going, going . . .

My money is on Beck as a CIA disinformation agent extraordinaire

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:27 | 788535 Batty Koda
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Good luck finding a taker, I think you're also a tad slow off the mark.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:32 | 788561 Bob
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I've caught the fever: Any partisan ideologue or person I bitterly disagree with is CIA. 

I've found enlightenment at ZH. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:48 | 788612 Batty Koda
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Aahh, you were being sarcastic, Beck's just a nice guy doing what's right for the US of A, and making a little money on the side. You appear to be stuck in the left-right paradigm, the clowns don't even need to know they're doing the CIAs bidding, just their employers. Murdock, GE, Turner ect.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:57 | 788644 Bob
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Yeah, you got me.  I'm gonna spend the rest of the day wondering if I'm doing the CIA's bidding unawares. 

How 'bout you?

Oooops: /sarc

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:41 | 788579 Azannoth
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"Hitler was right" - On his premise, maybe less on the execution

Hitler had the right idea, but he was a fuking artist so could not get anything done properly

(and no by the 'right idea') I don't mean the allied war propaganda you where taught in school

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:46 | 788603 Bob
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Yeah, I get it.  He was misunderstood and misrepresented.  And it's vitally important to set the historical record right.  /sarc


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:06 | 788682 Chump
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So what do you mean when you say, "Hitler had the right idea?"

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:11 | 788696 tmosley
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I'm thinking something like this:

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:11 | 788698 Azannoth
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He properly identified the problem, the WWI reparations and suppression of German economy and the Jewish lobby sucking the lifeblood of Germany, his ideas wherent revolutionary if you asked an average German on the street in 1932 what the problem was every1 would tell you all of the above.

Hitler was a Democratically elected leader becase people agreed with him only being an egomaniacal idiot he abused the trust people gave him

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:26 | 788757 tmosley
Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:04 | 788945 AnAnonymous
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He properly identified the problem, the WWI reparations


As the WWI war reparations were modelled on the reparations reclaimed for the 1870 Prussian war, do you stop at WWI or say that the 1870 war was the issue?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:42 | 788853 Bring the Gold
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Funny I got grilled the other day for saying there was anti-semitism on ZH. Not Tyler by any means, but an increasingly vocal minority of posters. I hope all who junked me in that thread (Jamie Dimon Downfall) see now what I was talking about.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:43 | 788992 Bob
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You have it.  Dangerous to your popularity to say it, but it is nonetheless undeniable.  Hence my rant today in this thread.

There is surely no easier, quicker or cheaper way to discredit any community than to make it a venue--whether apparent or real--where racism is well-tolerated.  Online, it's equivalent to putting out a contract on somebody for a lousy $100.  Most fanatical lunatics and racists are more than happy to serve their precious causes for free, but the gain to Wall Street on spending a few bucks to make sure it gets done "right" seems obvious here. 

I would hope that the community would take a more active position on this issue . . . before the place is completely over-run and discredited. 

Basically, I'm saying that passively accepting racist and lunatic ranting is akin to standing by silently while false rape allegations are made.  Except that, unlike rape allegations, there is no ambiguity, no question about what happened.  It's right before your eyes in simple black and white.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:17 | 789157 Bring the Gold
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Racism is one thing, lunatic ravings are in the eye of the beholder.


Example you can criticize Israel all day and night (I do) and not be an anti-semite. But saying Hitler was right or invoking "Jew Confetti" to describe hyperinflation are damning all jews equally instead of perhaps focusing on the ones with power and malice. So racism is to me anyways easy to spot.

Lunacy on the other hand is in the eye of the beholder. The few things that are close to reaching a consensus on in ZH (eg Fractional reserve banking is bad) could easily be labled as lunacy by the main stream people or most MBA's.

Likewise some are staunch believers in 9/11 as an inside job, and others whose opinions I respect buy the official story and stick by it no matter what. To label either side as lunatics is foolish. Likewise to label those who believe WL is legit, or those who question it as lunatics is pretty subjective and in my opinion a rush to judgement. Anyone who says WL cannot possibly be a psy-ops are just as deluded as those who are certain of it. We haven't had any DEFINITIVE evidence either way. I'm agnostic about WL myself.

Ferreting out the racists is a good start. Perhaps ZH needs just a tiny dash of moderation to keep the worst sort of insanity out. Love being able to drop an F-bomb now and then. Since ZH is virtually unmodded the comments are quickly becoming battlegrounds for racists and others who muddy the waters. I felt that some comments of late HAD to be called out. Others felt I was hijacking the thread, which I also understand. I think ZH has become too popular at this point not to have at least light moderation. Allow criticism of people in power and governments, race or religion based arguments eg all Catholics are evil, should be right out. Instead we should focus on issues and policies of various people and governments eg Pope Ratzinger helped cover up sex abuse.

Policy can and SHOULD be critiqued and examined. Damning people under 5 years of age based on their lineage or birth religion is the height of madness and that's what religious and/or race based hate inexorably leads to, the damning of entire peoples based upon their birth.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:39 | 789224 Bob
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Either some productive discussion or some sensible administrative action is necessary, imo.  If this doesn't occur, I expect that ZH will be relegated to a lunatic fringe site within a month or two at most.

I hope for better, but I've said my piece. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:00 | 789291 Bring the Gold
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It would be tragic if ZH was marginalized by a few posters. I'm hopeful that TD, Marla and maybe some of the regular and trusted contributors can use some light touch moderating. Increasingly ZH is becoming a drunken brawl in the comments section. Just a couple of months ago I came here almost exclusively for the comments, now I have to brace myself to read threads knowing their will be some deep insanity therein.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:24 | 789361 zelter
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'Anti-Semitism' is a hateterm used by jews and pets to pretend there's something wrong with the natural reaction humans have to jewish behaviour. Like "racism," it's a conceptual scam that's due to end. You've mentioned a romantic relationship with one, so I can't help but note your personal bias.

But I digress. Let's take the Helen Thomas affair. She was the senior reporter in the White House press corps. Her status gave her the privilege of asking the first question at every press conference. But with one verbal misstep, she was gone. Every single second of her career, she conducted herself profesionally in fear of the jews, a prescription you seem to wish on everyone. Her lack of integrity is common to 100% of the Washington press corps. Probably considering that she has nothing to lose after her retirement due to a verbal spat with the jews (saying they should sod off back to Europe, which I, as an European, find incredibly offensive), she decided to spill out the beans completely:

We are owned by the propagandists against the Arabs. There's no question about that. Congress, the White House and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Zionists. No question in my opinion. They put their money where their mouth is. We're being pushed into a wrong direction in every way.

Oh, so the truth comes out. But only when she thinks she has nothing to lose personally by revealing it. And she calls herself a reporter. Focusing on politics. In Washington. It always amazes me how little people think of themselves, that they're willing to crawl before jews for money.

Well, it turns out she does have a bit to lose. The Anti-Defamation league notes Thomas, "has been honored by the Society of Professional Journalists, which each year presents the Helen Thomas Award for Lifetime Achievement. She has received more than 30 honorary degrees, and her alma mater, Wayne State University, has established an award for journalists in her honor. She has also been honored by the Freedom Forum."

In a press release entitled ADL Calls On J-Schools And Organizations To Rescind Honors To Helen Thomas After Latest Anti-Semitic Outburst, ADL President Abe Foxman demanded, "It is time for those schools and professional organizations that have honored Thomas in one form or another over the years to consider rescinding those honors in light of her pervasively anti-Semitic rhetoric. Professional associations and academic institutions should not want to be associated with an anti-Semite."

Yet amazingly, in their indictment of Thomas, the ADL was upset that Thomas "went on to claim that she was made to pay a price for her remarks because of the power of the Jewish lobby in the United States."

So let's see, Bring the Gold, the jewish Anti-Defamation League is demanding that Thomas be punished because she says that she was punished by jewish groups? Can you explain that bit for me?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:03 | 789711 Bring the Gold
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I think what happened to Helen Thomas is a result of the kind of slandering that the ADL does on a regular basis. I agree that what happened to her is horseshit.

That said, acting like "the Jews" are some monolithic bastion of genetically encoded evil is total insanity. Why don't you concentrate on people who are Jewish who happen to do bullshit or organizations like the ADL who in their previous incarnation did things like sell other jews down the river? The ADL (previous incarnation) did that by saying that the rumors out of Germany of Jewish persecution were untrue. This was because the Warburg's Hamburg Amerika shipping line business might be threatened.

You can talk about Mossad critically and you have my ear. You can criticize Israeli foreign policy and I'm right there with you. I think the treatment of Palestinians has been horrific, not that the Palestinians haven't committed their own atrocities as well.

I like to think critically and can see some DEEP corruption and conspiratorial behavior among Jews, Protestants, Catholics, English, French, Italians, Japanese, Chinese and so forth and so on.

To damn some Chinese mine worker because Hu Jintao opens up camps for Falung Gong is bullshit. To damn some poor Arab woman because King Abdullah tortures people is bullshit. Likewise to point out things like you did about Helen Thomas and the ADL (which are perfectly valid and I agree with) and then extrapolate that ALL JEWS ARE EVIL is fucking insane and shows zero critical thinking.

Your kind of thinking on this matter has been used throughout history (including by some Jews now against Arabs!) to cause murder, bloodshed and scapegoating whether the victim was Black, Irish, Italian, Jewish, Arab or Chinese hardly matters. Racism and the essentialist BS you are pushing are one of the great evils of the world.

Or it could just all be a Jewish plot as no evil was committed anywhere in the world at any time that couldn't be traced to ONLY the Jews. Right?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:22 | 789813 downrodeo
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Spot on friend. I agree with you 98%, I just have to depart on one thing.

Racism is born of ignorance. Unfortunately, it has been my experience that you can't combat racism by silencing it. The human holding the racist views can only amend their thinking when their life experience leads them to the obvious conclusion that their racist views are flawed and fail to meet with reality.


I agree with your assertion that racism is one of the most evil things humans have invented. However, I have to oppose cutting off the discussion by censoring racist views.

I hear you about the potential for zero hedge going down the shitter due to the racist views of certain posters. However, my belief in free speech runs so deep that I would sacrifice even my favorite news source to maintain it.


This is a confusing subject. I hope none of my words are misconstrued. Thank you for listening.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:40 | 789883 Bring the Gold
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I hear what you are saying and agree lest racism go underground and virulent ala PC in the 1990's. We are reaping that foul harvest now as anti-PC has gone from reasonable to mainstreaming of some really racist shit. I hear what you are saying about free speech. I feel really unsure about how it extends to hate speech, I always have. And of course who defines hate speech. Who is the gatekeeper? Troubling questions and part of the great struggle we have in a (once?) free society. Thanks for your thoughts.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:54 | 789937 zelter
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"Racism" is normal and borne of recognition of natural group interests. Every human group has them and most pursue them. Combating it is insane and a function of oversocialisation in a safe environment over generations -- a false high-mindedness which tends to be the #1 factor to destroy civilisations, by the way. Also, under the guise of individualism, faux-universalism or 'combating racism', cohesive groups can overpower the atomised individual/faux-universalist/anti-racist.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 17:45 | 790130 downrodeo
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I don't believe that racism is normal. I don't know what you base that assertion on.

Racism is, in fact, based in ignorance. In order to be a racist, you must first ignore the fact that genetically, all humans are essentially identical. We're all humans here. Take a bath in hydrochloric acid until the melanin in your skin has been burned away. You'll look the same as any other man (or woman) roughly your height and build who would endure the same torture.


Every human group has group interests, I can get on board with that. Not every human group is based on race though.


You seem to be suggesting that the norm could be observed when human civilization was built upon race based tribalism. We live in a different world now. We aren't divided into homogeneous race based groups anymore. We can evolve past racism. IMHO, whatever evolutionary purpose it may or may not have served has long been rendered inapplicable, which is why your argument is utter crap.


Cavemen days might have necessitated racism for the survival of the tribe.

Basically, what I'm saying is that you're thinking like a caveman (no disrespect to the GEICO boys, of course).


Man, all in all, life is too short to go around finding things to hate people about (yes i stole that from a movie). Seriously, you're wasting your time and energy being upset about ethnicity and race? What a small way of thinking. I feel sorry for you bro.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 18:46 | 790356 zelter
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Ethnocentrism, liking your own group and wishing it to live so that you yourself may live on, is normal, unless reared in a very unhealthy ecological environment. All do it.

Human beings are not the same and genetically quite highly differentiated according to cursory measures such as Fst distances. Data forthcoming if you require it. And we can actually measure replacement rates and loss of genetic interest mathematically nowadays, too. As for the other point, morphological racial differences, for instance, are many times those of sexual dimorphism. Bones and skull structure can be easily used to tell different groups, sexual or ethnic.

Human groups have distinct genetic structures at many levels. Englishmen are slightly different from Germans for instance, and both highly different from the San. Organisms tend to preserve their distinct genetic information by screwing within an ingroup: if your mate choice is genetically similar to you, your progeny is more related to you than otherwise. Thus the need for designated territories, countries, governments, borders. The idea is that if the long-term pool of mate choices is genetically similar to you, you continue to exist with the least biochemical perturbation for an indefinite number of future generations. And if not, you die. And when those are corrupted by people who wish to import foreign populations for monetary gain, "racism" and "xenophobia" comes up. You can't protect your genetic interest with mass immigration and a laissez-faire approach to life, and that causes problems. Races are so distinct, that in some cases of interbreeding one's child may be less genetically related to them than a random member of the population they stem from -- based solely on the available data, and not descriptive interpretation thereof.

That we live in a different world now does not change our basic prerogative to continue living. And the "different world" seems to be the West, which was the only civilisation volunteered to death-thru-'multiculturalism.' Of course, you are pushing up the government 'melting pot' bullshit narrative of things, which is a cheap taradiddle that covers up for 1.) capital seeking absolute advantage through global labour arbitrage and betraying the native labour pool aka cheap labour and propaganda thereto which involves dispelling the bond between blood and territory, etc. and 2.) Jewish revanchism.

Evolving past racism is a prescription for death, however high-minded you think it sounds, sadly. Genetic interests in survival still exist, nihilists be damned, and most nations on the planet disagree with the West and the limited intellectual globus its population is captured in.

Fri, 12/10/2010 - 16:39 | 796666 downrodeo
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"The idea is that if the long-term pool of mate choices is genetically similar to you, you continue to exist with the least biochemical perturbation for an indefinite number of future generations. And if not, you die."


So, you're saying that you should go marry your cousin?


Wikipedia: Human to human total genetic variation is approximately 0.5%.



That is all I was saying. I'm no genetic engineer, and I really only have a rudimentary understanding of genetics.


That said, what exactly are you trying to argue? Are you saying we should be more racist? Are you saying that we should just accept racism as a fact of life? Well, if you're an adult, you've probably already done that.


I think that most of the points you raised suggest that there might be a natural aptitude for us to stereotype each other. However, if you're trying to argue that we're all biologically predispositioned to be racist, I think you're taking too many liberties.



Anyway, this entire discussion is completely moot in the long term. In a few centuries, we'll all be the same race. Either that or we'll have two: the Eloi and the Morlock. My money is actually on the latter option. I'm just trying to keep up with the times.


I may be a starry eyed hippie, and I may be wrong about everything. On the other hand, I would bet that the time that I spend in distress over the scary 'Jews' in the closet and under my bed is negligible compared to the time and energy you seem to spend on justifying your views. I'd say just let it go and try to love your enemies. Evolution is about choice/natural selection. I choose to drop the prejudice programmed into me by society (and genetics, as you would say). The next iteration of my DNA will be even less racist than I am.

Fri, 12/10/2010 - 17:46 | 797099 zelter
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"So, you're saying that you should go marry your cousin?"

Of course not. Third cousins are more than okay, though. Breeding within one's population/ethnic group/race does not usually cause inbreeding depression (unless you aim for it GOOD and HARD), and is the best way to obtain informational representation of their genetic information in the universe within future generation. That's an objective fact, which people tend to instinctively grasp -- our children are our afterlife, in a way. And since you've decided to open up this can'o'worms, it's also medically safer than outbreeding, which does indeed cause outbreeding depression (which intensifies over time, as locally coadapted gene complexes break down with the shuffling), as has been observed not only in humans but across many species.

"Human to human total genetic variation is approximately 0.5%."

Someone quite clueless wrote that, probably taking after the press release of Venter's diploid sequencings in 2007, notwithstanding that the paper indicated 0.7% and Venter himself later half-heartedly concluded that it may even be up to 1%. This was after several years of hardcore race-denier Craig Venter bloviating about humanity being "99.9% the same" and several Western political leaders taking his cue and promoting "multiculturalism" with said data. Ironically enough, Venter has been debunked by his own DNA once again, the new estimate being one full percent higher than Wikipedia's precious 0.5%.

I could mention that not too long ago we were supposedly 99% "equal" ... with mice! -- or more than half with some plants -- and ask you to think long and hard on why that is: perhaps because all living organisms share genetic information? Human differences are plenty judging by the data, actually. Then I could mention that the sentence you quoted is a misnomer, because additively (e.g., to 100%) partitioning into within- and between-group components is completely wrong, and geneticists who are not political activists know that it is only used to measure relative and often enough uncertain genetic variation.

"That said, what exactly are you trying to argue? Are you saying we should be more racist? Are you saying that we should just accept racism as a fact of life? Well, if you're an adult, you've probably already done that."

I'm saying that claiming racism is in any way "based in ignorance" is nonsensical and not any more sane a statement than claiming taking care of your family is "ignorant." Because it's really the same thing. I am also saying you are a victim of this dispensation, treating thousands of years of our civilisational history as one of "ignorance" whereas smart and glorious you and this fucked-up generation has figured it all out, while not even noticing that our managerial elite, big corporations, churches, the government, the media and academia are all towing the partly line on the issue and dissent is never allowed. Don't you find that the least strange?

"I think that most of the points you raised suggest that there might be a natural aptitude for us to stereotype each other. However, if you're trying to argue that we're all biologically predispositioned to be racist, I think you're taking too many liberties."

You are a "racist" by many definitions unless you are mentally retarded. Not "discriminating" is, all bullshit put aside, not thinking. Also, pathologising as "ignorant" natural responses to stimuli meant for self-preservation -- when it is actually at stake -- is horrifying, at least to me.

By the way, can you explain this study for me?

Numerous fMRI studies have demonstrated greater amygdala response to African-American faces than Caucasian-American faces For instance, among Caucasians, it was found that significantly different blood oxygen-level-dependent (BOLD) response in the amygdala to photos of racial out-group vs in-group faces, suggesting that amygdala responses to human faces are affected by the perceived race of the stimulus face and that of the subject. Interestingly, these effects occurred even when face stimuli were presented so briefly that conscious awareness of the content of the stimuli was not possible.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:47 | 789879 zelter
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Let's try to make this simple:

a.) Jews are currently immune to criticism, a major faultline in society.
b.) I don't judge people as individuals who have group identities and group interests.

The Protestants, Catholics, English, French or Italians do not serve their group interests, which are being destroyed by organised Jews to make their countries safe for Jewry. Hence their being replaced in their own lands. The Japanese and the Chinese are ethnocentric themselves, but unlike Jews they have no problems presenting themselves as such. But don't trust me, here is Paul Krugman in a one-off explaining why some Jews are compelled to be dissimulating nation-wreckers, namely ethnic considerations:

One thing I thought Jews were supposed to understand is that they need to be advocates of universal rights, not just rights for their particular group — because it’s the right thing to do, but also because, ahem, there aren’t enough of us. We can’t afford to live in a tribal world.

Jews, the group, whom Krugman addresses, are "supposed to understand" that "they" can't afford to live in a tribal world. (Except in Israel, of course.) And I similarly can't afford to live in a country with Jews who aim to destroy the natives to feel 'safe'.

As far as economics go, it is a wise idea to expunge any and all considerations from the group who has been visibly the most formative in our demise after the total collapse comes.

As for my offering any respect to followers of Judaism the religion (which isn't so different from what secular Jews tend to believe), on an individual basis or otherwise, dream on. Their "Messianic hope" is, quite openly, all the nations of the world groveling at Jewry's feet. It's supremacist in nature and scope.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:55 | 789945 Bring the Gold
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No question that many Jews act within the context of group think. But not ALL of them. You would damn all due to a majorities beliefs and thoughts and that's my problem. By your standard since the majority of Americans supported Bush we should all be treated as War Criminals in the US and possibly rounded up to keep the world safe.

Jews shouldn't be free of criticism any more than anyone else should be above critique that goes without saying. However, nobody should be persecuted due to their heritage either.

I should point out that many orthodox hindus, hardline catholics, evangelicals and fundamentalist Arabs have similar supremacist viewpoints. Perhaps you should enlarge your umbrella for ALL groups who seek domination and not have some weird chip on your shoulder about Jews. The Abrahamic religions seem to be a bit more vocal about their desire for supremacy than others. I just don't see why you make some kind of exception that Jews desiring world domination (I know they exist I can read and have the internets and it's fucking horrifying frankly!) is somehow worse then other groups wanting the same.

I've met englishmen who admired hitler, but thought that of course it should be the English who cleansed and/or dominated everyone else. I've met Serbs who felt that way about their neighbors. I've met Arabs who desire to convert, by the sword if necessary, any who won't bow before Islam. There are certainly Chinese people who are virulently racist against all non-Chinese. Many in Japan have that thinking.

Now it's that MENTALITY that is the issue, not a religion or race. It's the desire to dominate and kill that is the problem and I don't give a fuck if its the waspiest New Englander, some Zionist asshole, the Pope or a Mongolian shepherd. I also won't take what one WASP asshole, Jewish prick, Catholic fucknut, or Mongolian piece of shit thinks as representative of all their respective peoples.

That is even true if the group they come from is notoriously for milking others dry, conquest by stealth and other nefarious bullshit. That last sentence could be applied to Englishmen every bit as much as Jews if we're being essentialist about things. However, I know there are a great many Jews and Englishmen who are wonderful people who work tirelessly for justice up to and including extreme opposition to their peer groups the kind that gets them thrown in prison even.

Please critique nastiness in religions, individuals and organizations all you want. Just don't paint all members of some semi-nebulous group as evil by nature. It simply isn't true. Attack those principles of zenophobia and desire to dominate and I'm right there with you regardless of whether those principles are from some version of the torah, the evangelical bible or being said in a mosque or hindu temple. Just don't go down that road of a "final solution" because then YOU and not the group you target becomes the problem for all to see.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 17:10 | 789997 zelter
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I'm not saying that all Jews are evil; I know some that are alright.

However, one can easily observe that organised Jewry is a necessary component of Jewry in all host countries. This creates a problem which you are denying exists. Unfortunately, their rollercoaster ride through history falsifies any such notion. ADL isn't an American phenomenon. They have such organisations in every single European country, regardless of whether they have a significant presence in them or not, to keep the goyim in check. Organised Jewry cannot be stopped until the opprobium from "anti-Semitism" is gone, and you are helping organised Jewry get its way by joining the conga-line of its promotion.

I am not an individualist, haven't been infected with the bug, and don't know how to fix it. You are constitutionally unable to recognise groups for some reason, whereas I recognise both. I am helpless to resolve this as of 2010.

Fri, 12/10/2010 - 16:07 | 796696 downrodeo
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regardless of whether they have a significant presence in them or not, to keep the goyim in check


See, to me this just speaks to a paranoid mind. Do you honestly believe that a mere 13 million Jewish persons are able to keep the other 6442 million of us 'in check'. This is preposterous. You seem like you have an IQ above room temperature, so I wonder how you can rationally believe this.

Sat, 12/11/2010 - 06:36 | 798359 zelter
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Yes, I do. In Western nations though, not everywhere as you imply. I can assure you that the Japanese and Chinese at large, leadership or otherwise, observe the Jews' machinations very well and will not tolerate their tikkun-olam-ing.

I have read a lot on the Versailles Treaty, where Jews fought for what was at the time quite unpopular. Some countries had inversely proportional Jewish/Gentile percentages compared with their respective country's demographics. What they got was an internationally enforced gridlock giving Jews qua Jews special rights and privileges, in every country, defeated or victor. Worse yet, they've been boasting that this is going to happen since 1916 if you check the press. I'd stand in awe at Jewish political clairvoyance if I didn't know they're all faits accomplis.

Jews are 0.2% of the Ukrainian population, but one of the Tribe still has the balls to threaten someone -- who's asked why Israel does not recognise the Holomodor -- on national TV of not proceeding to say anything of the anti-Semitic sort ever again if he wants to have a political future. Quoting him from the translated captions in the linked 1-min video: "It's been proven. Here's a simple example. Maybe money will prove it more. When Henry Ford became a fanatic supporter of Adolf Hitler, every movie theatre in America began showing movies where Ford cars got in accidents. Sales fell heavily, and then he went before the public and apologised. All the best to you." (I'm not very sure this actually happened, neither Ford being a fan of Hitler nor films showing his cars crashing [never read about that once], yet he was extorted and sways to the extreme in other manners. Henry Ford is one of the best Americans who have ever lived.)

You might also want to read this following publication, which admits Jews are managerial elites and one rung up over everyone else in the whole of the Western world: 2030: Alternative Futures for the Jewish People [5MB PDF] from the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute. A summary here, and I'll quote some of its excerpts from the publication:

“World Jewry today is at a historical zenith of absolute wealth creation. …

“There are no data comparing Jewish and non-Jewish levels of accumulated wealth. One can base the predictions only on non-scientific analysis such as the prominence of Jews among: Nobel laureates, lists of rich people and the ‘Russian oligarchs,’ leaders of financial institutions, entertainment, hi-tech industries, and political representatives.”

“Based on these observations, one can say that Jewish wealth is higher than almost any other ethnic group worldwide.”

“Barring a financial catastrophe that would impoverish large numbers of Jews, given Jewish professional selection, levels of education and global mobility these trends are likely to continue in the next 20 years.”

“The United States will likely continue to be the most powerful state for at least the first part of the 21st century but its relative power will diminish. …

“The rise of Asian states, particularly China and India, may be very significant from a Jewish perspective since Asian countries do not share the Biblical religions and traditions, and therefore, have a radically different view of Judaism and the Jewish People than Christian and Islamic countries. Also, they do not have significant Jewish communities. This provides unprecedented opportunities for a Jewish global grand-strategy, as proposed in a JPPPI paper on upgrading relations between the Jewish People and China.”

They also talk about their demographic future and other things which Europeans as a people (or as peoples) are forbidden to due to the very anti-European political correctness which the Tribe has been more than forthcoming to install and maintain. (Not to mention that the conference was attended by "anti-racist" Jews such as Abe Foxman.)

Sat, 12/11/2010 - 19:03 | 799274 Lord Koos
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You are so incredibly full of shit.  Others here may politely debate your racist bullshit, but I can't be bothered, because I know scum when I see it.  

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 18:19 | 790368 zelter
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Some comments:

As for -- "By your standard since the majority of Americans supported Bush we should all be treated as War Criminals in the US and possibly rounded up to keep the world safe." -- not my standard, but sounds like a good idea if you can't keep your government in check. The WikiLeaks-released cables show that your country violates the sovereignty of plenty of nations they call friends. This internationalist crap needs to stop.

As for my "weird chip on your shoulder about Jews", they're unfortunately our managerial elites now. And not just in America, but the whole of Europe. Something to do with the grievance activism they promote among themselves (excessively) and other non-Europeans (less so) and the lie that group interests are immoral as long as they stem from Europeans (who are not women, homosexuals or part of some sort of weird "protected group").

As for your call -- "Attack those principles of zenophobia" -- no. I want my nation to remain (and be restored to) as homogeneous and conflict-free as possible. I am of the persuasion that all peoples deserve a place to call home. Xenophobia (if we forgive the bullshit about it being a "phobia") seems okay to me, my people deserve to live as they are; I'll attack oikophobia instead.

The desire to dominate is irrelevant. We all desire things. Why would I care if a Nigerian has plans to lord over me if he otherwise stays at home and behaves well? What I care is whether it happens. And it is happening, with Jews, and it needs to be called as such and stopped before they start WW3.

Fri, 12/10/2010 - 16:19 | 796743 downrodeo
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Please differentiate between zionists and Jews. It's like the difference between congress people and white people. You really sound like a dick when you use the terms interchangeably.


In my view, you're free to spout off as many incendiary ideals as you like. You're even free to try and justify any of it intellectually if that is your purpose. When you don't articulate though, and you mistake regular Jewish people with psychotic zionists, it creates a situation where you just look like a douche who hates Jews.

Fri, 12/10/2010 - 18:02 | 797165 zelter
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I don't have a problem with Zionists; I've a problem with all Jews who meddle and interefere and instigate with the sovereignty of European peoples in the Heartland. That includes the far-left anti-Zionist variety or any variety you can think of. E.g., I've a very big problem with the Austrian school and consider it part of the same long-standing destructive pattern of anti-Gentile intellectual activism, but would not classify the Austrian priests as "psychotic Zionists."

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 21:11 | 791049 Rick64
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Learn the difference between Zionists and Jews.

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 10:17 | 792148 Batty Koda
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To say that prisons are occupied by criminals isn't an over generalisation, although some inmates may be innocent.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 17:00 | 789957 downrodeo
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I had a bunch of crap written here, but it would be better if you just re-read the post above by BTG.

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