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And Back To Fukushima, Where Fresh Steam Is Rising From Debris, Which "May Be An Explosion" Or It May Not
This is just getting way too deja vu'ish. From Reuters: "White smoke or steam was rising from three reactors, Nos. 2, 3 and 4, at a quake-damaged nuclear plant in northeaster Japan, the nuclear safety agency said on Friday. It said it believed there was still water in the spent fuel pool at reactor No.3." But isn't the whole point of this exercise to get bloody water in the spent fuel pool? And then this: "Smoke or steam rising from the crippled No.2 reactor in northeastern Japan could be coming from the spent fuel pool or from an explosion in the suppression chamber, the nuclear safety agency said on Friday. It said it hoped to fix a power cable to two reactors on Friday and to two others by Sunday." Oh, it could be an explosion. Well, that's ok. It might not be... At least someone somewhere knows something. It sure as hell ain't the nuclear safety agency. But at least the Nikkei couldn't care less about its troubles as it wakes up with a St Paddy's day hangover: a few days of breathing room have been bought. As to how the can is kicked next week, that's a bridge Bernanke's glass house can worry about crossing on Monday.
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I'm wondering if it's chlorine gas from the heated and irradiated seawater.
the pool in the reactor...that can't be good
Good catch; has anyone tranlated the Japanese being spoken?
Good eyes!
At 31 seconds, the green 'piece' in front is translucent, you can see the side of the box continues behind it. I am hoping it's just some sort of green plastic.
On the other hand, on the far side of the green area is a straight line...like the box and debris are sitting in a rectangular container (containment pond full of debris covering the rods?) And beyond that straight line, it appears we are looking down at a distance to the building below...weren't the ponds high above the reactor floor?
It sure seems to me that is a (filled) containment pond where the green is...
Funny-While in college I wrote 2 things for Rod Serlings "Twlight Zone" in the late 50's. Didn't have the balls to go this far out. Milestones
Get used to it, these reactors will be a problem for awhile
I don't mind it being boring, as long as it isn't killing thousands of our fellow debt slaves.
Chicken Little, or Tyler Durden, or George Washington, just can't seem to get the sky to fall on this nuclear reactor.
It's been days now. The reactors haven't melted down. The cooling ponds haven't gone dry. And they're not going to.
The biggest tragedy is the fear induced by the insane, nuclear power hating media.
The ceaseless money printing was getting stale and we needed a break from watching that sky fall so you should permit this diversion.
As for the reactors not melting down, I believe they have concluded that the fuel has already partially melted in several reactors. Even if this was 'solved' tomorrow, it will be a messy cleanup. Let's be clear, in 50 years, nuclear power will still be a big part of the portfolio of energy solutions the world needs.
nuclear power....brought to you by the cooperative efforts of rube goldberg and humpty dumpty
Don't forget Homer Simpson.
And your paycheck is derived from What industry?
To quote Upton Sinclair;
“It's difficult to get a man to understand something if his salary depends on him not understanding it.”as i read your great comment and wondered if the junque was a kind of muckraking, i had this thought: Upton Sinclair would see Japan as a company town.
Funny that you call yourself a physicist. I wonder if you're in high school.
Insecure people choose username that make themselves seem like some sort of authority so they don't have to rely on the weight of their arguments, like a janitor buying a lab coat at a uniform store so people will listen to him.
you can get those there?
I didn't know that either, but then again I never make it past the nurse uniforms and pizza delivery gear. Plus I'm usually in a hurry.
Yes indeed, at one time I was a Fire extinguisher doctor. It was quite the gig
but it paid the bills.
Is that some kind of code for gay stuff? Not that there is anything wrong with that. But seriously, is it?
They need to go down the nearest hobby shop and buy one of those wireless remote controlled toy helicopters with attached webcam and fly into the reactor buildings.
Those gizmos probably cost a few thousand dollars at most, and would let them see where the helicopter is going and fly up close to anything they need to inspect.
How can this possibly not be happening? Maybe they can't get people in there right now, but at least they could inspect the condition of the spent fuel rod pools and reactor fairly precisely.
Radiation would knock out the electricity making the copter fly. Same with robots going in on wheels. Elsewise, it would have aleady been done.
I very much doubt that!
Extremely excessive levels of neutrons will eventually damage a transistor here and there in a circuit. Sometimes the damaged transistor happens to be one that totally destroys the function of the device, but other times not --- it could create a few busted pixels in an image sensor, for example.
However, they could get quite a bit of very helpful information in a matter of a minute or two, so I don't think so. The levels are not (or better not be) so high as to destroy such a device before it could even approach the (not open) outer shell of the building and look inside.
Your "otherwise it would already have been done" comment is absurd. Look how many oversights and dump decisions have already been made, even in the design of these facilities, where no time pressure exists.
While they certainly would have suffered less radiation due to distance, why did the electronics systems of those military helicopters not fail when they were bombing the reactors with water?
To summarize:
The UN is bombing Libya with A-10s they don't have.
Nippon has solved a nuclear mess, with no witnesses.
ODickhead picked his brackets, and whimped in the process.
Oh, and somebody wasted trils on the Yen without getting high (I think).
God, I so luv all media!
Ben can't stop physics
Boron Bitches!!!!!
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE IPAD 2 DELAY?
Let's talk about the real crisis here. They won't be able to import iPad 2s for months if Toshiba's flash chips are glowing.
What will the Apple fanboys do?!
Let them eat Silicon.
I need a(nother) green beer.
The world is populated by morons. May they die a horrible death.
In the financial sense.
On a long enough timeline, Nature will eventually weed out the stupid. You can count on that.
As far as I am concerned, Nature is clearly getting behind in its work.
Patience Cdad.
Nature takes its time. Cycles call the tune and we dance.
True, nature is generally proficient at culling its own freaks. We pay ours big salaries.
But remember Cdad, Mother Nature bats last, and I think she's 'On Deck' right now.
I used to think that as well.
But there are just too many idiots remaining. If natural selection was still working, there would be far fewer.
Far fewer people too. There are a lot of idiots out there.
modern society does not select for intelligence.
Evidently, neither does the University of Phoenix - online. But, you already know that.
so says the guy with "2 ME degrees" who doesn't understand how evaporation cools things and thinks that the specific heat of liquid water changes as a function of temperature
Thats why god created food stamps and welfare.
Welfare you say? Is this what you mean?
Warning - those of a serious dispostion, stop reading now.
Yes it is part of the solution.
My plan came to me as i thought about old comics i used to read as a boy.
They were called 'Commando' and they were great.
Allied soldiers , mainly Tommy's, would shoot the shit out of germans and japs.
The japs would commit atrocities and then be gunned down by our boys. Noble our lads would jump on grenades to save their mates.
Totally non-pc, long gone but totally brilliant.
And it got me thinking about Japans aging population and that the nuclear leak and their demograhic issues could be sorted in one fell swoop.
Yes, i'm talking about piling the pensioners on top of those reactors.
You'd need a lot but as they used to say in those Commando comments.
'Banzai, Aiiieeeee....Die for the Emperor!!!'
Junk if you think a bad plan.
COI - i wish the japs well, i like them and the country even though they hunt whales and bash the shit out of dolphins.
BigDuke6: i had the same thoughts, myself. do you have my lighter?
Slewie - you mean the zippo no.1 i borrowed to burn down the huts in Hou Flung Dung?
Yeah, i got it, and i kept it safe all those years when imprisoned by the VC.
i kept it real safe...
Exhibit 1
Last night I watched some Brit academic nuclear xpert assert that the radiation from the No.4 was the result of 40 years of particles accumulating at the bottom of the storage tank and that the fuel was really still fine.
I kid you not.
Why not use remote controlled miniature drones?
With a video feed.
Doesn't matter if it crashes. There is low cost. The capture is in the video data up to the crash.
Uh, they did? Predators from Okinawa, that place Nippon wants us to withdraw from.
You didn't expect video, did you? Talk to Incompetanto.
I was really just thinking of some amateur flying toys.
Not a Predator size bird.
Something with a little better humming bird performance.
We have satellites that can count the pimples on some fat chicks ass while sun-tanning, nude, next to her wallow pit and you guys are sweat-slapping each-others balls over flying toys and predators?
All the information that was ever needed about this disaster has already been obtained. The "how" is obvious.. the "why" is obvious.. the "Why haven't we seen it yet?" is also obvious.
Ignorance is bliss to the sheep as they face away from the wolf.
My source on CVN-76 says they had planes coming back with low levels of radiation. The deck had some radiation. They moved further away. The MILITARY moved their resources further away while the people of Japan are left to confusion, dis-information, mis-information, lies and intentional deception. Though he said that some ships did take on civilians.
Rule of thumb. Multiply by 10, the factor of which the media reports any tradgedy.. especially any tradgedy in which billions of dollars are tied up.
I would think that the US mil. and everyone else(read NOT for public consumption) has already done that.
Don'tcha think that if we have satelites that can read a licence plate from space, that they Might have snapped a few pictures by now?
What's Job one at this stage of the collapse?
Drop 6.6 Billion down to 2 billion or or less.
As George C. Scott said in Dr. Strangelove
"I'm Not sayin we won't get our hair mussed...."
http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/09/07/fly-your-pov-around-your-own-persona...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BJMSq_m8Y&feature=related
It is my understanding that some types of radiation trigger the light sensors(used to be phosphorus, not sure what it is now) in the cameras, overloading them. Basically, they can't see shit. At least, not once they get inside.
That is the main problem. The EM interference might screw with radio transmissions, but probably not enough to jam a boosted signal.
I'm confident they have great quality video / thermal imaging / etc.
They're just not showing it.
Because it would scare people shitless.
What a crazy world we live in. The markets FINALLY respond to some real news over this past week... and the Central Banks of Japan and the USA simply print more money and pump the markets higher. What a concept.
If, by very remote chance, The Ben Bernank (or any of his ilk) ever reads this thread, he should pay close attention to the following scene. He may be the man on trial one day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=929ceD32uVo
Dream on. There are no markets anymore. Rape what you can, when you can.
Don't assume The Ben Bernank is beyond reproach.
BTW, that is a cool scene from a good film.
I was thinking of Laura Logan, but what the hey!
Wishful thinking like this is amusing. So many people hoping the system will be fixed somehow some way at some point.
It's not gonna happen.
The system is distorted on purpose, deliberately, intentionally, to enrich a few at the expense of many.
In their view the system is working fine, it's steadily transfering wealth to them just like they planned.
It's messed up only in our view, the screwees.
It's amazing how many smart intelligent screwees refuse to accept being screwees, desparately hoping some white knight will appear and rescue them, stop the screwing.
There is no such white knight.
The wind will start blowing towards Tokyo this weekend.
This is not going to end well.
http://chanceofrain.com/2011/03/map-of-plume-from-japan/
Yeah, but it flips back towards the NNE on the 19th, the next day, that the animation does not show. The issue is the wind at low level will be quite slow, so there should be a pronounced increase in radiation in area south, until it switches NNE.
I agree. But it doesn't need to be a huge windstorm to spread that crap to the edge of Tokyo. 6 to 8 knots for 1/2 day will do the trick.
The only thing that has saved the Japanese from an even bigger catastrophe is the wind direction. When the wind shifts, this shit will drift near South Korea and possibly China. It won't be deadly, but it doesn't have to be. People will panic.
Chernobyl, in reality, was a fallout problem for Ukraine and the immediate neighbors, and almost no one else.
People forget that that event was almost all hype and BS past that radius.
The actual effects were closer to the source, and almost all the nasty stuff was relatively close (in global terms)
I would not worry about China or South Korea, they can deal with this very easily with a pill and soapy water, if it goes that way, because it will be very dilute and elongated by the time it does.
The bad shit will be in central Japan .. or in the ocean.
There were throid cases reported in Sweden, Norway & Denmark presumably from Cherny fallout. You my friend are sadly mistaken.
Which is why I said you can take care of it easily, at that distance, with a PILL and soapy water. Iodine pill.
I'm more concerned with the social effects. Go ahead and announce that everybody in Seattle needs to take a pill to prevent thyroid cancer from a nuclear meltdown in Japan... and what do you have?
A complete societal breakdown. The price of everything that's not necessary for survival drops 10%, in a matter of hours. Sad, but true.
The radioactive iodine is becoming a non-issue. The highest yield iodine isotopes have half lives measured in hours. That stuff will be gone soon.
For example, I-133 has a 20.8 hour half-life. Since the reactor was shutdown, 8 half lives have transpired so only 0.5% of the original amount is left.
"Go ahead and announce that everybody in Seattle needs to take a pill to prevent thyroid cancer from a nuclear meltdown in Japan... and what do you have?"
The end of nuclear power, thus there will be no announcement.
They are still finding wild boars with cesium in Germany. Want a slice of that pork?
Interesting forecast on NHK just now. They had the wind on for Fukushima and it either just stops on Saturday, a dead calm, or they were told to take it out of the graphic. No other area had that forecast for Saturday.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Love that tune and the movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rST998-IGM&feature=fvst
Guns N Roses Civil War
So we know for a fact:
2,3,and 4 are experiencing complete "meltdown" I compared real footage from Chernobyl and this incident and concluded it is nearly identical.
The only question is if, and how many, containment vessels have been breached.
I would wager at least 1 has melted through its containment structure and hit the water table....I could postulate that, that was what caused the second tsunami but seeing as everyone is lying I can only draw that conclusion through conjecture...although caesium 137 was identified in tap water (if that was from the air or the water table is unclear I think...?)
BTW - That could also prove why the charts TD posted about radiation levels varied from the different sources...they could have been taken at different times, and if the core reached the water table, radiation could have been appearing in other areas. Justa thought, nothing scientific to back that claim up.
trav7777....any thoughts? any bannana comparisons? or are birds shitting on my car?
The only question is if, and how many, containment vessels have been breached.
Again, The Reactor ISN'T the main problem. It's it's the Multi-Year quantity of USED fuel just sitting in the swimming pools Next to the reactors.
Same as every plant in America and everywhere else.
Well the reactor is the problem in a couple different reactors....we have several different issues going on, and we are relying on the government and TEPCO for info (which is worth shit) There are 6 reactors in various degrees of distress and for different reasons.
It is my understanding that the nuclear fuel stored (uranium/plutonium/mox) are held in zircaloy sheathes. But those zircaloy sheathes are destroyed very easily because they are so reactive. Is each fuel rod capable of a critical mass type event if exposed to the enviroment outside of the zircaloy sheathe?
No, I believe that the Zircaloy is very stable.
However a lot of things change from 2200 to 4000 degrees.
:-)
Like during a nuclear explosion experienced @ reactor 3?
I think I can answer this if I am correct that the Japanese reactors use conventional zirconium ( Zircaloy) fuel cladding with ceramic uranium oxide fuel pellets inside. I understand that Unit 3 has a mixed oxide pellet including plutonium oxide.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7675
Just spritz it with some water from a recycled windex bottle. That'll do it. Trav777's got my back just after he finishes his seasonal job at HR Block.
It is stable because it is so reactive that it immediately forms a protective oxide layer, which passivates the surface. Get it hot enough, it burns like a MF. Zirconium wire is what they used to put in flash bulbs. Also, like magnesium, once burning, or hot enough, you can't put water or steam on it as it reacts with the oxygen and liberates hydrogen.
If these rods are already burning, we're screwed.
I'd take your wager on the water table...the steam explosion from that would have probably been enormous.
I don't honestly know why you are so heavily invested in conjecturing an apocalyptic outcome. Let the facts come out...you obviously are not an expert or even conversant in the issues at hand, so I must ask: why the hell are you speaking so much?
The primary concern, AGAIN, and as you have been told by others too (and I posted nearly 2 days ago) is the SFPs. These are the most pressing concern. Forget the reactors for now...they have containment, the SFPs do not.
And, yes, that birdshit on your car is from the 7777 club NWO remote control flock.
the rapture trav
#1 I don't have to be an expert to realize the magnitude of this. I have never claimed to be an expert on this. I wasn't a real-estate expert either but I figured that nightmare out before most "experts" did
#2 I have conjectured apocalyptic outcomes...for Japan, which is very much realistic. Much of Japan will become uninhabitable if not the entire island nation itself.
#3 are questions to you: What is your availability to the radiation levels; the status of the cores; the status of the containment vessels; the level of fallout; and the knowledge of the location of the nuclear fuel that has been blown across that area? Furthermore, what is your knowledge of the health of those rods that have been blown across the area? Furthermore, what is your knowledge of the reactors that have blown completely?
#4 State what you think the ultimate negative outcome will be as it pertains to the health of humans in Japan, and, worldwide.
...I don't have bird shit on my car, I guard against the NWO flock by parking my vehicles in enclosed areas.
Sparring with Trav "hang on I'll google it" 777?
Have fun with that. The guy tried to convince me that misting the radiator cores would provide and 'evaporative' cooling effect. You know, like a refrigerator except it isn't circulating, condensing, and evaporating in a cooling cycle. It's more like sweat...you know, on a fucking nuclear scale.
are you really stupid enough to believe that they cool nuclear rods and reactor water by REFRIGERATION?
Please, STFU immediately as you pose a threat to world safety by virtue of your inexorable stupidity. Once it gets in motion, it may not be able to be stopped.
YES, moron, pouring water which gets boiled to steam COOLS as it draws off heat. As you claim to be an ME, I would expect you to understand this.
Your reading comprehension skills never improve. Of course, that goes along with your posts and 'expert' advice to everyone.
I don't claim to be an ME. I am an ME. Which is what makes it so painfully clear that you are a want-to-be jackoff poser. You very very cleary have no fucking idea of the temperatures involved, the basics of heat transfer, and what would be required to have a heat rate transfer of any significance. You are a simple fucking hack.
Not only do you have no fucking formal technical education (obvious), you also have no practical experience (thank god).
you need to ask for your money back, because you have no technical knowledge whatsoever.
The temperatures are high...I already cited a technical document which I'll assume you have read (LOL).
that said, when water is vaporized by something hot, this process is accomplished by heat being transferred to the water. It's very simple high school chemistry. Maybe think about taking that when you go for your GED.
WHAT rods that have been blown across the area?!?! There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that there have been rods blown across the area!
Reactors that have blown completely? WTF are you babbling about? You are making statements which are not only unsupported by any evidence, but flat out fucking NOT TRUE.
Your statement of uninhabitable Japan is ABSURD. You have figured out NOTHING. You just WANT an apocalypse. All you doomers do, because then you can FINALLY thumb your noses at the friends and family that have rightly deserted you as PARANOID MANIACS for your silver stacking, ammo stockpiling, and canned ham burying!
Btw, we in the NWO have squirrels too, and we are sending them in to eat through your brake cables. We can't have YOU, the lone ranger, on an obscure website, exposing the fact that we have concealed MOX fuel rods having been blown all the way to Tokyo, nor can we have you revealing that we are in remote control of ALL geiger counters in the fucking country and set them to read normally. Your brilliance in having figured all of this out through apparently ESP is a threat to our plans to starve the entire world to death by using our earthquake machine to destroy all the factories we own.
The rods were stored in the top level of the structures. The structures exploded as seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_N-wNFSGyQ. So Trav...if the rods were stored at the top level, and the structure exploded where do you think the rods went? Don't tell me they exploded into containment
Yes, the reactor blew. In the above video you can see a fireball, which is indicative of a nuclear explosion as hydrogen emits no visible light. The magnitude of the explosion also indicated it was not hydrogen.
My comments on the inhability are not obsurd. The U.S, U.K and other countries are evacuating ALL personel from Japan, starting with spouses, women and children.
This fucking moron's name is Travis Brockett. He's a nobody, from nowhere, doing nothing, knowing nothing, and having a degree from a shit-bag school.
The dickhead is an ACCOUNTANT.
Here..http://www.linkedin.com/pub/travis-brockett/1a/781/682
What a fucking douche.
and we have a swing...and a HUGE MISS.
Return your "internet forensics" degree to DeVry along with your "M.E." degrees.
As a neutral coming to this late i award the trophy to Trav, who's a bit of a laugh.
And i think your post with those details on it should be removed.
Fucking hillbilly.
it will take far too long for me to explain how explosion pressure waves propagate through air, man.
the shit wasn't stored ON the roof...review the diagrams which have been provided dozens of times online or on NHK. The rods weren't "stored at the top level" as you say...they were part of a structure at the top of the reactor containment vessel, directly adjacent and attached to it. IOW, they are structurally part of the reactor containment vessel. The hydrogen exploded ABOVE and AROUND this structure and the pressure wave was reinforced BY these harder structures and ruptured the relatively weaker outer walls and roof.
Your claim that this was a NUCLEAR explosion is utterly ridiculous. You aren't even conversant with the very BASICS of nuclear weapons OR reactors, yet you can seriously fucking claim to me that by virtue of seeing what appeared to be some COLOR in an "explosion" that you have been able to deduce JUST FROM THAT that we had witnessed a freaking NUCLEAR EXPLOSION?
JFC...please, just STFU. It was better when you just followed me around the threads posting nonsense in response. If you want to ask legitimate questions, do so. Don't offer wild and ridiculous conjecture to suit your apocalyptic wet dream fantasies.
lol...
got it.
phew! thought we had a situation there for a minute.
thanks for clearing it up and answering all my questions in such sharp detail...
See ya tomorrow when the situation is much worse!
I am really grateful that you saved yourself the time and spared us an explanation that I am sure would have been very elegant if not too concise.
There are claims obama had a hand in making the nuclear armageddon worse!
Nuclear Problem In Japan: Is Obama Partly Responsible?
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=182524
Yes, We Can.
yes i can...because i'm all hyped up on hopium and amphetachange.....
it would be laughable in a "drawn and quartered" kind of way if this disaster came down to a pissing match over some generation capacity.
I have wondered why generators were not immediately airlifted into this plant complex if power could have been restored directly prior to blast damage. Perhaps the switchgear and control systems were underwater and rendered inoperable; I do not know. But, it would appear superficially that the problem here originated from a loss of power. If they had batteries cooling this fucking thing (as was reported), then that suggests (but isn't dispositive) that the control and cooling systems were UNDAMAGED as a result of the tsunami. If this is the case, simply plugging in other generators would seem to have averted the ENTIRE CATASTROPHE so long as it could have been accomplished PRIOR to boiloff of coolant which needed to be vented and then exploded.
I cannot think of a cogent explanation for why emergency generation capacity was not asked for and provided in the time in which the plant was operating on battery power or at least prior to pressure venting.
Thank you, trav. Makes sense. I don't believe the story about battery power. They could have had portable diesel generators flown in immediately and didn't. Switchgear inoperable. Pipes and valves shattered. Vessels cracked. 9 point zero quake.
Just a thought, but if you get it wrong, and a harmonic is generated, or a conductor is damaged, well, then the whole opportunity is shot, because you just fried the motor.
Or maybe the motor controller is shot, and the officials assigned to speak to the public couldn't understand the giberish the engineers were saying, so they invented this power cord story. As a registered engineer, this would not be the first time in my career that I have seen this. Very technical problems are not easily explained to the press. Sometimes they just use the plausible lie rather than the hard to explain truth.
One thing is for sure...some poor engineer is under one hell of a lot of pressure right now.
Say prayer for that guy...and thank an engineer the next time you meet one. Six years of very tough classes, crappy pay, and thankless management. We do it for ourselves. It rocks to design large power systems...godlike. :)
You "wonder" and "think" a lot.
Do you ever bother to look at the forrest or do you always focus on the trees?
....just a curious bird contemplating shitting on your car.
yeah, Bob, I like to think. You know, as opposed to you, which would involve making wild and hysterical conjecture while hoping for an apocalypse so that I can get back at the friends who have shunned me as a schizo lunatic madmaxer.
Fuck, man, why don't you just start saying the earth is gonna split in half?
the earth is gona split in half
can you take the friends who have shunned me as a schizo lunatic madmaxer on your half?
bob
In between watching various porno flicks on PornHub, I've been following your debate with travis (?) for the past few hours.
He thoroughly barbecued you. I think you should just continue to prepare for the Earth to wobble off its axis, and leave the nuclear stuff to more informed individuals - like travis and a few others. It's pretty clear who is talking out their ass, and who isn't.
Fuck me,
are you kneeling in front of your computer, typing with a sore wrist and spunky tissues all over the sofa.
Might try it...
Trav, I've been reading ZH for about a year now and generally read the comments as well, though I rarely speak up myself. You tend to be really well-informed on a wide variety of issues, but the reason you keep getting into these spats isn't because the people you're arguing with are idiots (though sometimes they are); it's because you're so over-the-top and confrontational. If you toned it down a notch or ten, people would be much more receptive to what you have to say, which is what you want, right? There are already a plethora of moronic comments on ZH (especially lately) - it'd be nice if the few people such as yourself who knew what they were talking about weren't dicks about it.
That is all. :)
That makes me miss Cheeky.
Saltwater in the diesel fuel killed the generators.. That was the Achilles' heel.
According to the unnamed senior official, US support was based on dismantling the troubled reactors ...
What does that statement mean? Your link provides no definitive answers.
According to your link, the U.S. offered technical support. Technical support is generally regarded to be an offer of knowledge, not equipment. Could it be that the offer was to provide guidance/knowledge to help dismantle the reactors seriously damaged by the earthquake and tsunami? Who is going to trust these reactors to be safe to operate after such a disaster, even if the electricity had not been cut off? To be trusted as a power source after this earthquake and tsunami, they would need to be dismantled and rebuilt.
This is a more relevant quote from your link:
Some ruling party and government officials pointed that the country could have avoided the current crisis if Prime Minister Naoto Kan's government had accepted the offer ...
radioactive for a year, so a half life of ummm a week?
See: half life of interventions....
So, when the BoJ drives up the USDJPY to above 81, que bono?
Citi bitch cuz their stop was at 75? And why was their stop at 75?
Now it's become super clear. "Fukushima" means "Phuk you all." End of the story.
[9:47 p.m. ET Thursday, 10:47 a.m. Friday in Tokyo] A radiation reading of 20 millisieverts per hour has been recorded at a key annex building at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant – the highest yet recorded there – an official from the Tokyo Electric Power Company said Friday morning. In comparison, a typical chest X-ray exposes a person to about .02 millisieverts of radiation. A typical dose of background radiation in developed countries is about 3 millisieverts over an entire year.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/17/japan-quake-live-blog-obama-pledges...
For some perspective.
Going by your numbers and assuming an exposure period of 1/10th of a second for the x-ray would imply that x-ray exposure is 720 millisieverts/hour.
Radiologists should be paid more.
http://www.tagesschau.sf.tv/var/storage/images/sf/auftritte/tagesschau/b...
Nice hidef shot. Kinda reminds me of ElMelto.
45 minutes into this Yen BS. I really am sick of this shit. Selling 2 more contracts.
Maybe the situation isn't so bad. Let's hope so for the sake of those poor people trapped in the zone.
Forget about the freaking market! whatever it does ain't going to change anything.
Selling another 2. Looks like intervention is croaking.
Hope this ain't gonna be NZD after the earthquake. That one took two rolls, and I made $8.
I bailed on breakeven, 2 days later.
iRAD coming out soon?
Just like that, we forget our fears of nuclear holocaust. If the Federal Reserve doesn’t intervene then the Bank of Japan will. In case the Bank of Japan is alone insufficient to correct the situation then maybe the largest Central Banks in the world, all working together, can calm the storm.
This is what it has come to. Our free-floating currency system has failed us only because we have failed ourselves. In an environment wholly hostile to free market capitalists we find ourselves unable to predict with any repeatability the machinations of the market. Up is down and white is black. Red is green and growth is detrimental.
Today, for the first time in months, I found myself sitting on a pile of cash. This lasted but a few minutes before my order to purchase SPY Puts out of the money with June expiry was filled and I now became, by position, a doomsayer.
Not that I want to be a doomsayer. It’s just so obvious that this market, which stayed above its 200 day moving average over 120 consecutive days only to break sharply lower, was not going to afford another entry point for shorting as beautiful as the one we earned today.
I was, it seems, mistaken. In the after hours (actually, after-after-hours, by only five minutes), the Bank of Japan announced that members of the G7 had agreed to sell yen. This announcement, combined with the announcement of the UN Security Council’s approval of the no-fly zone over Libya, sent markets and commodities immediately higher. S&P futures are up over 1% as we speak and the Nikkei, most likely traded by robots as those with the means to do so are fleeing Tokyo, is up over 2.5%. Hilarious!
The third friday of March, June, September, and December presents a unique quadruple-witching environment where four different type of options expire simlutaneously. Most market movements in the day prior to this close are entirely associated with placing asset prices in a specific range and this is usually a bit of reversion to the mean of the recent past. To this end I expect that the overnight news will be interpreted as positive for markets tomorrow and will present, in my humble opinion, another excellent entry point to take advantage of the imminent decline in market prices.
Printing money can not conquer fear, at least not fear of the unknown, which is exactly what will spread through the world’s third largest economy over the next few weeks. Feel free to mark my words: this situation will deteriorate further before it improves.
Your comment is apropos and much appreciated.
I will mark your words for posterity and the ages, as I concur.
Good post White_Mouse. Go with your gut and that itself takes guts.
Me, Im out as in living in the Amazon basin trying to figure out how to make
a few reals here. I want to go back to the easy life but I fear its a trap.
Also, I want to know why I heard three explosions.
I also want to know why a fireball is visible even though hydrogen combustion emits no light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_N-wNFSGyQ
If you would refrain from farting in enclosed spaces....
OK Bob. You seem pretty lame but I will humor you:
Where was the pulse of light that comes with all those gammas and X-rays that were emitted from the criticality event? The sensors in the camera should have been affected even if there was no visible light.
A hydrogen explosion is nominally invisible (it gives off UV). So what about the fireball? Dust could be one explanation. Or there might be another.
Things are certainly bad. And the incompetence even exceeds that of the American nuclear industry. But there is no need to add to the mess. Even reasonable speculations are bad enough.
"why I heard three explosions"
This point concerns me greatly too. The terrain is relatively flat, so so echos seem out of the question. The delay is too great for it to be burst reflections from adjacent buildings. There _might_ have been temperature inversion layers in the atmosphere causing secondary sound reflection paths, but I find that hard to believe, to produce such clear and equal-amplitude 2nd and 3rd bangs.
Yet watching the ejected cloud (allowing for sound travel delay) reveals only one apparent explosive event. It's very hard to imagine how a hydrogen explosion could involve different areas of the building blowing in a delayed fashion.
It's very curious.
As for the red-flamed burst, I don't consider that says anything about hydrogen or not-hydrogen. A hydrogen-air detonation occurs very fast, and is over before the building starts to respond to the overpressure. Everything after that is very hot air and concrete dust. Also who's to say there weren't some drums of oil or whatever sitting around.
What does really bother me is the prominently vertical nature of the cloud. At first I thought it could only be due to a jet having been formed by an explosion in the reactor containment vessel, bursting upwards. But now I see that at the very top of the cloud there's what appears to be a major section of the roof. Possibly this object is 'dragging' the cloud after it, which could explain the narrowness of the cloud.
So I dunno. Or rather, the one thing I know for sure, is that every official source is flat out lying at almost every opportunity.
Which in one way could be a good thing. Japanese are way too accepting of official bullshit. They need a bit of revolutionary spirit, and this event might give it to them.
Here's hoping after this they still have a country in which to exercise such spirit.
Trav is right, you're a stubborn douchebag. Why are you stuck on this 'hdyrogen combustion emits no light' thing? Grade school: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6niQZNneGw Why don't you take your useless self outside and kick your own ass for being a clown?
Winning SuperMoon!
What more do you need?
Bambi's birth cert? He ain't got one.
Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I am planning on finishing this old family bottle of Macallan scotch this evening. Every sip is for the ordinary people in Nippon--those in the plant, those lost in the disaster, those wondering why the ATMs don't work and everyone in the city is staying indoors....
...and most of all, for that elderly lady in the cold and dark up in Miyagi, with no heat, no family, not much soup, and hopefully some kind words and a blanket from strangers.
May the good Lord bless you and keep you all on this night and in these times.
May the road slap you in the face as you fall on it! Or sumsuch....cheers, and happy Paddy's Day!
Enjoy the wisdom of Macallan tonight.
My heart goes to those suffering in Japan.
I need a(nother) green beer.
It's getting tougher to find the speel chk buttn
I have taken a respite from Kirin and Sapporo in my support for the Japanese people.
Tonight, I am partaking of Smithwick's and hoping once again St. Patrick can drive the snakes from Ireland. Cheers
Amen brother.
Any chance the proximity of all these melting cores could fuse together and then melt into the earth's core just deep enough to interact with an active lava dome? Mount Fukushima! As far fetched as it sounds, that would get the radiation up into the air high enough to create "the worst case scenario" without a ground level Chernobyl explosion. Screen play in progress, movie soon to go straight to VHS.
Your theory is more far fetched than me hooking up with Kim Cattrell.
We be talking -200.000% chance.
all he needs now is a black actor to play the genius scientist and it has HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTER written all over it
Anybody know a kid friendly source of KI and where to get it? I have a lot of KI tablets purchased through amazon, and kelp and other assorted whatnot with KI from a local health food store. I'm no hoarder, will pass this stuff out like candy in my neighborhood when the SHTF. I know it probably won't help, but I also bought a shitload of silver a year ago thanks to all of you, so I'm feeling lucky.
Check your friendly, local executioner. They gots lots of potassium compounds.
Kelp, but good luck getting them to eat it.
I live in So Cal and looked for KI and couldn't find any. Flew across the country today and I'm in Jacksonville, FL and went to 3 stores here and no KI either. Did find one bottle of Kelp. I guess it's proof positive some of the natives don't exactly trust the government line either. shocker. . . .
Don't waste your money. The radioactive iodine will have decayed away before any of that shit gets here.
Maybe this
http://www.jcrows.com/lugolsmsds5percent.html
http://www.jcrows.com/iodine.html
He has kelp also. $7.50 per pound
http://www.jcrows.com/kelp.html
And the mulled cider mix tea is wonderful.
Isn't the nuclear waste falling, gliding, dropping into the Pacific Ocean as well? I understand about ground surface and up, but fire hits the water and is extinguished. Nuclear hits the water and keeps on . . .
I was asked to help dispose of a compressed gas cylinder of phosgene a few years back. Yeah, I'm talking about the chemical warfare agent. This crap was a lot like radioactive waste insofar as no hazardous waste disposal facility would take it off our hands, regardless of cost. We were stuck with it, and I can recall a brief discussion about taking the cylinder out in the alley behind the HazMat building and releasing it into the environment. The (il)logic being that it would eventually dilute in the atmosphere to negligible levels.
We ultimately went with my suggestion and engineered a neutralization tank with a bit of Tygon tubing and a 55 gallon drum of sodium hydroxide solution. It took a couple of weeks to neutralize the phosgene. I'm glad we didn't take the irresponsible and lazy way out.
My point is that diluted hazardous waste is still hazardous waste. How much ionizing radiation is too much for you?
Radiation hormesis.
Where in the fuck is ASIMO? He/his team should be marching in with pails of water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASoCJTYgYB0
Nevermind..
Will all Japanese Goods be 'semi'/'somewhat' RADIOACTIVE from now on?
Streaming on NHK news (Japan) now: European Union's executive arm has advised its 27 member states to check levels of radioactivity in food imports from Japan.?
I hear some radiation prevents allergies.
The dead can only vote, not sneeze.
Just to demonstrate what $500, the US mail and some interneting can yield.
A middle aged guy in Santa Monica can set up a real time Geiger counter to monitor radiation conditions. No TEPCO. No Obama. No drones. No nothing.
Yields - INFORMATION!
http://www.enviroreporter.com/2011/03/enviroreporter-coms-radiation-stat...
Trillions in American and Japanese heavy military-nuke industry capacity backed up by decades in hundreds of millions of man hours in labor and intellect - and after a week of 3, 4, 5, 6? reactor "meltdowns" there is not one public measurement of pico-Curies per square meter? Please.
Lets be fair.
Maybe Den Haag should render TEPCO "management's" seppuku verdict.
Acts of G-d are Acts of G-d.
Engineering disaster happen.
Concealing evidence of ecological and human disaster is a crime against humanity.
Nanjing.
Sanko Sakusen.
Bataan.
TEPCO-Fukushima.
TEPCO, Stop pissing on the fire and load that mother with boran and cement.
If
a)TEPCO fails and goes bankrupt
b)Japan runs out of money
OR
c)Both
AND this situation is something that needs daily injections of labor and resources to keep it from blowing up bad
THEN
Who would pay for it?
b is false. So nothing to worry about.