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And Back To Fukushima, Where Fresh Steam Is Rising From Debris, Which "May Be An Explosion" Or It May Not
This is just getting way too deja vu'ish. From Reuters: "White smoke or steam was rising from three reactors, Nos. 2, 3 and 4, at a quake-damaged nuclear plant in northeaster Japan, the nuclear safety agency said on Friday. It said it believed there was still water in the spent fuel pool at reactor No.3." But isn't the whole point of this exercise to get bloody water in the spent fuel pool? And then this: "Smoke or steam rising from the crippled No.2 reactor in northeastern Japan could be coming from the spent fuel pool or from an explosion in the suppression chamber, the nuclear safety agency said on Friday. It said it hoped to fix a power cable to two reactors on Friday and to two others by Sunday." Oh, it could be an explosion. Well, that's ok. It might not be... At least someone somewhere knows something. It sure as hell ain't the nuclear safety agency. But at least the Nikkei couldn't care less about its troubles as it wakes up with a St Paddy's day hangover: a few days of breathing room have been bought. As to how the can is kicked next week, that's a bridge Bernanke's glass house can worry about crossing on Monday.
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just curious. Why do you care? The pig Market doesn't.
Why should I care?
Why should I care?
Listen to Quadrophenia and we'll talk--start here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR5v4yyPV6Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPae_l0291I
I have been watching NHK pretty regularly for several days and I have not seen that radiation level disclosed...where're you getting it from?
The readings that I have heard mentioned were on the order of 2-3 mSv/hr.
300mSv in an hour would cause actual hard radiation damage. The rad levels I've seen disclosed were only that high in front of bldg 3 IIRC a day or two ago.
I think you mean 300uSv...I just heard that number 4 times on NHK
some dude...some atomic guy, smarter than me, says on newsreport, that a huge plume of toxic raidiated dust could fall onto tokyo...soon as he said that, yen crosses try to sell under the 5day...
Sorry for the offtopic post.... but if you go to glennbeck dot com his face appears 11 times (I counted) on the homepage. Narcissistic much?
Just thought that was funny. Carry on.
Sorry for the O/T post, but check:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9m3GyDh6M8
while Libya burns
It's nice to have YooBoob back. 3 updates today.
The nuclear thing is gonna go away in a couple of days anyway. Today we (the U.S.) got a pass to bomb the Beanie. New war, new morass closer to people who really hate us, and closer to 2900 on the SPX. We'll continue to root out those money grubbing freeloaders in Wisconsin though. 65 of em out of work will free up enough jingle to buy a spare tire for one of those bombers.
You just expressed the fear in the market. No one believes goobermint, and feels truth has to assert soon.
How many Obambi babies would it take to smother those reactors?
Only 61 golf tees we paid for. Anyone out there a member at any of those courses? Post green fees please?
Europe is waking up...not buying much, some selling interesting. India's call rate just jumped...ETF's are jumpy as hell on thin liquidity. very nervous trading. anyone else seeing this?
How do you balance a just society, and still get rid of undesirables?
I would prefer to shoot them, but I'm sure some of you may have serious answers.
I see no other than a lead projectile for Harry Reid, but a bunch of already dead people voted for him. I need a medium to get control over dead people. That is the new voting block.
OMG > MASSIVE UPDATE:
The skeleton crew was able to bring power to the power plant via an imaginary extension cord. The water pumps that were blown up in a nuclear explosion are now fully functional and bringing water to exposed nuclear rods!
Man it feels good to feel so safe.
Stop posting bullshit.
If you have actual news, then disclose that. Cut the crap and stop salivating for an apocalypse
Why the fuck do you so badly desire one? Are you that sick?
I am that sick...unfortunately it was from a plume originating from Japan by a flock of NWO seagulls activated by the HAARP.
Why don't you ever have an intelligent response to any of my questions?
I truely feel bad for the poor bastards left in that plant. You know that they are maxed out on their counts.
"Don't flush the fucking toliet! It takes water pressure from the Closed Cooling Water system. Just crap in your pants like the rest of us walking dead."
This situation will only end one of two ways: 1) totally FUBAR or 2) Worse than FUBAR.
Hey Pete...I think "maxed out on their count" is an understatement. I used to get maxed out and would sign my pad over to stay employed (you could do that back then). I have a permanent red tan across my chest from leaning against a downcomer in the torus at Cooper too long trying to snake a cable down for a new level annunciator. It was deemed "minor radiation burn with no expected long-term effects to health." I think they are starting to smell necrotism from the inside. But, I think there is a fighting chance the bastards can pull it off. If they can keep dumping water that evaporates and provides partial cooling to the fuel pool rods, and by evaporative expansion attenuates the radiation and heat long enough for them to do something else...maybe get trucks close enough to blast water into the building (maybe some going in the pool), and get some power and pumping equipment going...they might just do it. I do not think the videos of them dropping water from helicopters shows failure...I think it is doing, to at least some degree - what they want, buy time on the rod heating, and attenuate radiation. But, the guys working up close to that deal....man, they are in a world of hurt.
Shit "a minor radiation burn" WTF?.... I have picked up particularly nasty particals from around the fuel pools (setting off all the alarms), but I always wear doubles -- and it saves my ass (litterally).
I was butt naked under a single just after they opened the core for entry. The protocol called for the cable to be fed down in front of the downcomer, but it twisted behind...I had to press tight against the pipe to grab it and untwist it. The time I spent doing that raised some blisters. Plus, it was 115F, and I spent 30 minutes in there instead of the 15 I was alloted. Dumb....but I was young and dumb.
Wow. Some guys get all the cool jobs.
I can recall the first question put to me when interviewing for a position with a radiopharmaceutical facility.
"Are you comfortable working around radioactive fields?"
Ohey, Operation Sprinkle is back on (good stream of NHK news here BTW):
http://jibtv.com/program/fullscreen.aspx
Wouldn't you want to know? So I made this new device for Gamma and Beta radiation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Q7VfWdgEg
There's no fucking water in there. Any time they spray in there steam just comes billowing out.
That's a fucking giant radioactive sauna is what that is.
You are very correct. The question is does this MOx sauna end up in the sky, the basement, or both? They could potentially wait this out, Have 7 or 8 generations pass and then go in and access the damage.
I am thinking they might want to see the spent fuel rods sometime soon. It's possible that they are scattered around such that they are hot as hell but not likely to really catch on fire. I kind of think based on the video that the whole pool fell through the floor, more or less onto the reactor. Maybe the rods are distributed sparsely enough that they can just sit there. I wouldn't want to leave a packed pool to itself, but a game of pick-up sticks might be stable. Just intensely radioactive.
Problem is it does set up that killer field so they can't get at the MOX loaded reactor. What to do, what to do...
They won't go into th reactor - they are outside of the containment -- if they melt through the floors they will end up in the torus and could cause a massive steam erruption
that is, if the torus is still holding water
See the very last video in this post...
http://aucanary.blogspot.com/2011/03/correct-report-nuclear-fukushima.html
A picture is all. Just one nice picture of the current configuration of wreckage--er, equipment...
I worked on GE Type 1 boiling reactors for years, and I see nothing in the videos or pics I have seen that tells me the reactor containment or the spent fuel pools have been damaged, I also, cannot say they have not been. Remember, that outer building is a facade, the upper half being designed to blow away in a hydrogen explosion (a common fear in the industry).
Dude, if the hydrogen started in the torus and filled the RB resulting in the top popping off -- the lower elevations are screwed as well. I don't trust the integrity of the pools or anything else.
I dont think it came from the torus....I think most of it came from the spent fuel pools and the venting. Just my guess.......
finally a voice of reason...thank god.
It gets lonely in here sometimes with the canned ham buriers
Pete, I think the spent rods are still in the pools. The bottom of that pool is tied into the containment, and the bottom is about 3 feet thick reinforced concrete. I may be wrong, but I do not think the hydrogen explosions that blew out the safety panels above the refuel deck would impact the floor of the pool....simply because the panels prevented the building overpressure from being too high, since they blew out, as designed. Yes, on one it took out the lower concrete facade, but that was relatively weak building structure. I do, however believe that the spent fuel rods in some of those units are partially melted.
I'm certainly not claiming to know, and only refer to unit 3 which is much more damaged. Hopefully we'll be provided with more info and/or imagery.
I do not know either. But the damage I see is mostly facade damage, I cannot see in the pics the things that really matter. I have no doubt that unless damaged by the earthquake (doubtful, in my mind) the inner containment's are probably still viable. The spent fuel pools I am not so certain of, but I know the bottoms of the pools are 3 feet thick concrete, and the sides are maybe 18". The outer building is designed to blow away. But, I simply do not know, I am just guessing based on my experience with those reactors, and what I see and hear. My information is imperfect, my knowledge is imperfect, and my intelligence is imperfect. But....I still, for some reason, keep guessing.
If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one... Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
-Oppenheimer
thinkin the guy knew what he was talking about.
To be fair, Oppenheimer was quoting from the Bhagavad-Gita, a Hindu scripture.
On wires now to elevate the current bulltrap goldman sachs making the 'japan won't effect the global economy call'...
nuclear expert now saying that fuel rods have already metled...can't get them out of twsited metal.
this is getting better by the min.
C'mon, links, people, links...
what kinda links you want?
http://www.sorger.co.at/images/Dauerwuerste/Braunschweiger.png
I lost my ass in Yen trading today, how about you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whXeb7Ohfkk
Ann copies Stevie's dip, but hell, they both be from the Seattle area.
I grew up with music that was so much better than today's.
Thank you for reminding me of that.
lol, every generation says that!
True, but maybe because every generation gets worse.
However, I believe that talent peaked in the 70's and disco killed the commercial viability of gifted musicians and singers to get airplay.
Pray for Japan.
Pray for us all... Few have any idea of what is enveloping our world.
Everything's a trap right now, IMHO, but currency trading is pure Kamikaze.
everyone is dying to short the high yielders...when the a-holes from the G7, BoJ etc intervened, a lot of shorts got burnt, although should have seen it coming, most crosses were very oversold.
But, the meltdown is still lingering, fucked up for Japan, but a reality wake up for central bank supported markets. If we get a total meltdown, no central bank in the world could stop the selling.
So it's all quite...but too quite.
The nuclear thing has vanished from the headlines...
No fear, we have a prez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9m3GyDh6M8
NHK sez we be screwed. Close all shorts.
It's the same idea of NFLX. Zombies eat you.
Who the fuck owns Netflix? I want to know who the true morons are.
Netflix owners
http://www.cubefigures.com/graphics/11648.jpg
According to the plan, there are 7 fire engines, doing god knows what...
HarryWanger has just volunteered to help Harry Reid pull that firehouse, fed by Nancy Pelousy, into Plant 3.
Is plant 3 Barney Frank?
Damn, don't tease me. The whole damn Congress should do a fire line.
This is really pure desperation. HarryWanger?
3 pm Tokyo time.
Students for a Democrat Force (SDF) are on ther job. I feel so much better.
Lots of water, lots of steam = WIN!
I guess. I like pachinko better.
Steam is good. A volume of water poured on a 1000 F source expands 1700 times its original volume. It cools by evaporation and attenuates radiation. Try not to make fun of what may look silly, but is based on solid physics. It buys time and allows people to get closer to work on a more permanent plan.
Look, I get the pint--er point. You know as well as I do the downsides here. Mainly, that they are 'using up' the cream of the Tokyo Fire Department real quick. Secondly, that there are 13 potential oopsies on this plant site. Thirdly, that discussion of more permanent plans is nil, they are trying not to screw the pooch. And fourthly, that the management aspects of this continue to be alarmingly slipshod.
So let me make fun of the steam. Until these good folks are ahead of the curve and not behind. I am not making fun because I don't understand. I am making fun because I do. I said 'WIN' didn't I?
I apologize. I am not kicking you. I just keep looking at how they may pull this thing out, and I think it is possible....and, I am an eternal pessimist! And, I think they do have more permanent plans, and it may involve entombment in a worst case scenario, but to make that work, practically, you really need to get close. This is not a Chernobyl with wide-open guts waiting to receive concrete dropped from the sky, this is four units, one that still has a roof. I know the Japanese are not fools, they know a hell of a lot more about these facilities than anyone does, and their engineers are second to none. They have a plan.
LOL...don't tell Boilermaker this. He has an ME degree and a masters in internet forensics from DeVry. He says that the temperatures are just too high for any heat to be transferred to evaporating water.
That is not possible in a light water reactor environment that is melting fuel rods unless you have a critical core melt that flashes water into vapor less gas, and that would be very localized at the corium surface.
US Military fire trucks borrowed.....Nippon fucked with the exchange rate.....but Chinee is bad....
Per NHK - everybody and their uncle are spraying water into the reactors, with no result.
we need to send spock in there to repair the reactor.
Spock naked suxs, how about Nurse Chappel?
I am surprised no one has made a You Tube Paradoy when Hitler discovers that his Reactor is bad or something like that in all this time.
did you miss the One's address to the peons this afternoon?
Even Anonymous are in shock. Never before happened. It's that bad.
Ah. On NHK the Japanese PM says they are going to create Japan over again.
Good luck with that. Peak oil combined with parabolic radiation levels.
Oh God. Asked about poor government transparency in Fukushima, he insists that everything has been disclosed.
I think what the Japanese are doing is very smart, but is based on a last ditch effort. They are trying to get water into the building by any means to buy time. How do these silly looking videos of helicopters that seem to miss and fire trucks that seem ineffectual really help? Well, any water in a spent fuel pool is better than none. Water vapor around the buildings attenuate radiation and lower heat. Any water that hits a heat source in the building evaporates and expands....a volume of water that hits a 1000 F heat source expands by 1700 times....this creates a huge evaporation cloud that cools and also further attenuates radiation. They are using basic physics to provide cooling and to temporarily attenuate radiation so they can get closer to tie in power and water lines. They have no choice. And, what they are doing may work.
Never give food to Libs, unless they give good head.
(Visions of Kirsten Powers waiting for her blood soaked man to quit dressing that deer. But where is that rag head she married?)
Fuk it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uger0WtSUso&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP2YYc39_TA&feature=related
Konichiwa bitches!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC_GnG1wO38
Well, now LA times is reporting a floor breach in one of the spent fuel pools. If this is correct, then some of my posts are wrong, and this could be a real problem.
How can the LA Times know this? I am not denying that their reportage is incorrect - I am simply saying that we here know about as much as your average reporter given that nobody has real access to what is going on on the ground.
Note that it's Friday.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-quake-wrapup-2...
...U.S. government nuclear experts believe a spent fuel pool at Japan's crippled Fukushima reactor complex has a breach in the wall or floor...
...based on the sequence of events since the earthquake and information provided by key American contractors who were in the plant at the time...
...the spent fuel pool does not have its own containment vessel...the pool...contains 130 tons of uranium fuel...
...A breach in the pool would leave engineers with a problem that has no precedent or ready-made solution...
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission's chairman, Gregory B. Jaczko, said this week that his agency believed the spent fuel pool was empty, triggering alarms and a rebuttal by Japanese authorities. His spokesman, Scott Burnell, said Jaczko's statements were "based on a variety of sources that represented the best available information."
You need to see the report that shows the torus leak -- it makes sense --- if the hydrogen came from the torus and when up the stairs or through the corner rooms and went boom, then the RB is FUBAR.
The integrity of much of the structure is questionable -- it just poped it's top at the final result. Just look at the steel and the overhead crane -- that was one big boom. look at the plume in the videos
"Well, now LA times is reporting a floor breach in one of the spent fuel pools. If this is correct, then some of my posts are wrong, and this could be a real problem."
I know you mean well, but maybe your keyboard should take a rest for a day or two.
MIZUHO BANK SHUTS DOWN
NHK reporting "problems" at Mizuho bank, cannot process transactions, "computer and network challenges" limit all transactions to $1,200 - oh - and BTW - the bank and ATM's will be shut through Friday - and the three day weekend.
WTF?
It was shut down a few days ago. I found out on ZeroHedge.
You should check them out.
Diablo Canyon Power Plant (southern CA) sends boric acid to Japan.
http://www.ksby.com/news/diablo-canyon-sending-boric-acid-to-crippled-ja...
bout time
Exactly as predicted in this February 6th chart, the second peak related to supply interruptions begins.It will reach Brent 125-130 by April 1st, when either Gadaffi will be finished, or demand will drop, because of price or e.g. Japan going nuclear-criticality in one of the spent fuel ponds, where the new rods where placed during repairs- that was reactor 4.
http://www.saposjoint.net/Forum/download/file.php?id=2609
Now of course this second spike in Oil will not help stocks, the nicely follow the slope of decline I predicted on February 6th. I predicted the peak date correctly, and slope for more than 1,5 months ahead. I think the prediction will be correct also for next months.
http://www.saposjoint.net/Forum/download/file.php?id=2608
What is more interesting, is a prediction for a final spike in silver (and similarly gold) before 40-50% correction coming very soon, at about 45 USD. I do not know what can be causing that spike in silver and correction - Japans QE and following sales of its gold reserves? Or dollar strengthening on Libyas war and Europes problems? I do not know, but the aggregate of all events will make silver look like it is in the chart. Its currently going hyperexponential for too long, and to fast, and that never lasts. Exponential growth can last, superexponential- never.
http://www.saposjoint.net/Forum/download/file.php?id=2673
IMPORTANT UPDATE!
Reuters Reuters Top News
FLASH: IAEA Chief: Japan Fukushima nuclear incident is a 'grave and serious' accident ... Bwah!This guy predicted what is happening back in 2008.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRIuYxmeppY
TWEET
Reuters Reuters Top News
FLASH: Gaddafi son Saif al-Islam says Libya not afraid of U.N. resolution (or the MOX fallout from the Fukushima reactor - says he could kick ass on the reactors and the UN)- Al Arabiya .............. Don't play with the Devil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqdcVHL8iVkFor real? That's badass.
Bold Italics mine
please see my post 1070103 on this thread----i think my idea of entombment and creating a landfill was/is the end game
wb7 mentioned top kill in this thread--- which led me to write my idea that total burial was the plan all along.....with the politicos letting the uncertainty play on fears and gain momentum for currency intervention/qe3 and other such motives
a full burial was a non-critical path item, but probably decided during first day of crisis
news wires are reporting this now
Next will be boron pumping (or dropping) -- you will see this tomorrow.
It's FRIDAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
Burial of nukes---
It is going to be costly. Being that the nukes are on the coastline and near the water table, they are going to have to be underpinned and/or tunnelled under and sealed. Workers are going to need full state of the art gear to avoid exposure. Would guess that first phase would be encapsulating what is above ground. 5-10 feet of concrete with sand used as a filler/form. This should pretty much seal in the radiation temporarily. Then they have to go back and get around and underneath existing structures and probably do a second encapsuation around each reactor. The radiation has to be fully sealed in.....the worry would be it getting into the groundwater. This will not be a blow and go operation. After 5-20 feet of concrete is somehow placed around each structure, then there will probably be about a 50 foot cap of highly impermeable soils (clays). Then turn it into a landfill. Probably will have to annex all land in a 5 to 10 mile radius as a buffer zone (use this as landfill , also). This is going to cost a bundle and change that region forever. It will be a huge wasteland. It will take years to complete correctly. My guess: 2 months for initial above ground encapsulation. 3-10 years to fully remediate area and establish a designated wasteland. Cost: A helleva lot more than you could imagine. They are going to try and go 'cheap', but international pressure (particularly from US) will prevent them, because our engineers will want to monitor the entire design and implementation. $500 billion?
Nicolas Sarkozy's former presidential election campaign head has rejected claims by Col Muammar Gaddafi's son that they received funding from Libya.
Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said on Wednesday that Libya would publicise all its bank details relating to the 2007 election.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12769807This is why your portfolio should always be liquid.
Stay safe!
http://theintrinsicvalue.com
japan upgrading accident scale from 4 to 5
HAARP is real, bitchez. Today is a day to be decisive, or is it...
Look, many thousands of people may die or get cancer a decade from now, but in a way that's just the invisible hand of Adam Smith, reshaping our society, leading us forward into a better, more profitable world.
We will all *LEARN* from this, and next year's nuclear reactors, built over fault lines marking the inexorable collision of massive continental plates, will be able to power on "going forward" (absent completely unforeseeable events, like war, or earthquakes somehow more powerful than we allowed for - whoddathunk??).
So buck up, and keep chasing ever-increasing profits!
:)
China raises reserve requirement
http://dawnwires.com/investment-news/china-raises-reserve-requirement-ratio-50-bps/
This suggests that if there were thermal / radioctivity capturing cammeras on site at Fukushima they were knocked out. Wether or not they have any at all working yet is debatable - at best.
http://isrovation.com/2011/03/16/israeli-defense-co-installs-security-cameras-at-fukushima/
Just in case you missed this.
It finally looks like Prof. Rossi invention fusion reactor is finally being ackonloged by the mainstream media.
I was one of the first people to see it in action on line, and have been invited by the man himself for the one megawatt cold fusion demo in October in Athens, Greece. He will also be doing a private demo in Florida as well.
He already has backers, and they are in production as we speak
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/17/nuclear-future-beyond-japan/
But but but...
"The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet." - Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation
"Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun." - Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University
"Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it." - Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute
How ever can the Elites justify their pet Global Population Cull, if someone goes and invents cheap, clean fusion generators?
If you were cynical you might think cheap energy had been invented and suppressed.
/tinfoil hat
They don't really justify anything they plan or do. All that's necessary for them is, "they want it".
If you're willing to bring along someone with an observant eye and active, hopeful mind, let me know. Not kidding.
CNN headlines this morning, "Japan nuclear crisis on par with Three Mile Island" Guess I don't remember other reactors exploding at 3 Mile, burning spent rod pool or the desperate dumping of water from helicopters. Boy, CNN sure pulls no punches when it deliver the news. Kool-Aid anyone?
Wow! That is truly stunning.
How dumb do they think we are, anyway?
Or maybe the question is, how dumb are people?
There are so many ways I can think of to introduce this link....but I've opted to just put it out there & wait for the inevitable junking to follow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sakN2hSVxA&feature=player_embedded
It Depends upon the entombment ...
From a strictly technical perspective, this explaination is kakah.
Nuclear boy has been kicked in head with a steel toed boot and then shot in the stomach with a 12 ga.
He is covered from head to toe in shit and the doctors are dying with every sniff.
Nuclear boy's diaper has been ripped off his ass, his intestines are hanging out and the shit could still hit the fan at any time.
A couple of thanks you's to Aristarchan, Kaiser Sose (?), CitizenPete and yes, even trav7777 for their contributions to a better understanding of what is going on. It has been at least as solid, and probably more so, than anything the network talking heads have thrown at us in the last week. Many of us like to panic unnecessarily just because it fits our psyche at the moment, but these members have both calmed irrational fears and given some idea of what the real fears should be, for us, but more importantly, for the workers at the plant and the Japanese living within the danger zone.
Interesting what genuine expertise sits behind the various monikers on this site.