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    Crude oil time-spreads have completely dislocated from inventories. Historically, such dislocations have proved to be short lived. We expect that either spot prices will sell-off again or the back...

And It's Not Even Summer: Gas Jumps 19 Cents In Two Weeks, Less Than 10% Below All Time High

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Mon, 04/11/2011 - 07:40 | 1157102 Long-John-Silver
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The second crash is underway. Amerika shuts down @ $4 gasoline.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 07:53 | 1157116 ZeroPower
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Or perhaps smart minds will finally be putting their scientific capabilities to use i.e. non-reliance on oil for getting around.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:01 | 1157129 Long-John-Silver
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The laws of thermodynamics can not be legislated. "Energy Density" Google it. There is no such thing as a 100 mpg carburetor or an alternative to oil and coal. Without them we go back to Horses and Mules.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:02 | 1157136 Thomas
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Do we get wenches?

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:13 | 1157161 Long-John-Silver
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Only if you have Gold.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:23 | 1157195 cossack55
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Lets do it.  However, all my buried PMs fell into a new crevass yesterday. Still, lets do it.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 10:52 | 1157738 Ahmeexnal
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Now's a good time to learn how to ride a horse.

Long horsebreeders and mounting gear manufacturers!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 12:03 | 1157973 cbxer55
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Horse riding ain't free, gotta feed the buggers.

And someones gotta do the poop scooping.

I recall years ago, when I use to do Friday and Saturday night cruising on Lancaster Blvd., the cops had switched from cars to horses for patrolling the streets. And they used to leave big steaming piles on the sidewalks in front of all the businesses. I tell you, they were not happy campers when confronted with big piles of horse shit early Monday morning! ;-)

The horses did not last long.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 12:37 | 1158084 OutLookingIn
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Why not?

Free fertilizer for the veggie garden!

Energy in - energy out!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:19 | 1157323 Zina
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Oh, I see... It's "impossible" to create a technology with higher energy density than oil.

So, humanity is doomed, since oil won't last forever. Nor coal.

The fossil fuel era was just an "accident" in the human history, just a "gift" that humanity received to "quick start" the industrial revolution, but it won't last for more than 3 centuries.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:38 | 1157410 Chump
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If some grand new technology or energy source isn't created/discovered/whatever before oil becomes prohibitively costly (in terms of energy input) to suck out of the ground, then humanity as we know it is certainly doomed.

Human life as it currently passes on this planet is not possible without the black stuff.  That's just the way it is, and we are all going to be made painfully aware of that fact when the forced withdrawal starts in earnest.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:18 | 1157327 Mad Max
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Is there a natural law that personal transportation has to weigh over 3000lbs, be made of steel and seat five people?

The US approach to transportation is blind to any alternatives.  And we built most of the human landscape around this dumb approach.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:39 | 1157408 aerojet
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This is the problem I see everywhere--what you see and what you experience has everything to do with big government setting rules and regulations in order to be a kingmaker.  Everyone in the Boomer generation believes this clever lie and *that* is why the US is failing to make any true progress anywhere.  I acknowledge that there are certain physical limitations to automotive design, but cars are what they are today because of the NHTSA and lobbying, not technology.  We want a technological future, not some bullshit fascist one.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:43 | 1157423 nkktwotwozero
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>And we built most of the human landscape around this brilliant approach.

FTFY

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I like money.

 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 11:05 | 1157734 sethstorm
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As far as the US is concerned, yes.  As a US citizen who drives a 3600lb, long-lasting car from General Motors, I have no apologies for the efforts made against the golfcart companies.  What I do resent is any purposeful action (or lack of action) to drive oil up.

If you want to get people to use alternative fuels in their cars, perhaps you should try a a familiar package; stop trying to cram horse-pills down their throat with all the transplant manufacturers. 

 

Not everyone likes to have countries where one class of people get their own cars, while the rest go in golfcarts. 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 11:43 | 1157908 FreedomGuy
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I agree with you and one of my cars is a Mini Cooper. I used to have a large SUV because I pulled a camper drove over rocky mountain roads, etc. People pulled horses, hay, etc. in my area...plus boats and rec equipment. I don't believe San Fran and NY should be the arbiters. Let fuel seek its own unmanipulated price. In my city, now there is light rail. People will adapt at different fuel costs and also just the difficulty of moving around. People don't train/subway in and through NY just because of fuel prices. It's also because of traffic and population density.

People, driving habits and energy supplies will all adapt quite nicely based on price inputs from the market. The best thing is actually to leave it alone and let it work itself out. I don't want German and British priced fuel (about $8/gallon) because of government tax add-ons for our good.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 16:04 | 1158833 Mad Max
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What if all we do is tax gasoline enough to pay for the portion of our defense budget (roughly 50%) attributable to our self-anointed status as the world's oil policeman?

We'd probably have $8 gas right there.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 16:43 | 1159016 FreedomGuy
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I'm good with that as long as we tax their gas, not ours. Let's change their price inputs. We can call it "protection money". Wait a minute, someone else uses that phrase...

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 11:03 | 1157774 Ahmeexnal
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They can seat up to five people, yet upwards of 80% of circulating vehicles carry only the driver.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 11:42 | 1157915 FreedomGuy
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That's our choice. Plus, we don't have traffic laws and patterns that are conducive to scooters.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:35 | 1157394 aerojet
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Butanol has nearly the same energy density as gasoline.  I guess you didn't Google quite enough. 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 12:10 | 1157997 malek
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Every time someone brings up the laws of thermodynamics for reasoning on everyday practical issues, you know the person is talking garbage.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:13 | 1157167 trav7777
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ROTFL...if I had a nickel for every time a nonsmart person said that.

As if because you can imagine it, they should march out and "solve it."  Thanks for doin the hard part for us lol.

Smart minds are going to drub you on EROI and thermodynamics but you'll ignore them because they don't state a happy outcome

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:35 | 1157223 Snidley Whipsnae
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Gas over $4.00 in many stations in central Fl for mid grade

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:47 | 1157257 blindfaith
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Yes, and with the great state of Florida's new " elect me and I will make jobs" Republican governor (who has laid off or fired over 6,000 in a scant few months), I say...ain't those minimum wage jobs, Florida is so famous for, going to be hard to fill when the net take home pay is less than the cost of actually going to the job?  He did nix mass transit in favor of you figuring how to get to work on your own.... if you need a job.

Now, that is being patriotic, taking money out of your pocket to contribute to Florida's GDP, or GOP as the case may be.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:09 | 1157305 overmedicatedun...
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blind (n) faith..get the fuc* off zh..with your clap trap socialist biased soros spin..if you cannot see there are not 2 parties in America you are blind to the scam ..get lost or grow up.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:16 | 1157320 r101958
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Well said overmedicated. Also, the 'high speed rail' plan was not about mass transit for people to get to work. It was about boondoggle and letting D.C. get its claws into Florida.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 11:48 | 1157928 Rick Masters
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So a comment in favor of mass transit in the face of $200 oil is socialist cause he criticizes the GOP? Did you take you meds today? In any event, Florida sucks.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:29 | 1159402 James
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What them commies don't tell you.......................................................

Floridas light rail was to go from Tampa to Orlando twice daily.

Taxpayer paid for Amtrak currently runs twice daily from Tampa to Orlando.

HMMMMMM...........................................................................

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:41 | 1157415 aerojet
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Well, the monorail at Disney World, which was so cool in the 1980s, now feels trite and dated.  And if you want economic recovery in FL, laying off government employees is a very good place to start.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 10:52 | 1157725 sethstorm
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Only if there is a private sector to receive them.

Otherwise, it's just envy.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 11:25 | 1157842 hedgeless_horseman
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Maybe just a little bit of envy, but mostly anger is my guess.

...the average federal worker earns $101,628 in total compensation -- including wages and benefits-- compared with $60,000 for the average private employee. 
   
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/FACT-CHECK-Are-federal-apf-3113687231.html?x=0

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 14:00 | 1158107 gcjblack
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So far, gasoline pump prices haven't kept up with increases in crude oil prices. 

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=California&city3=NewYorkState&crude=y&tme=12&units=us

Soon, the pump prices will be increasing again.  If you look at crude oil prices as ozt Gold per barrel, there has been virtually no inflation in crude oil prices for some time.

http://www.incrediblecharts.com/images/png_images/gold-oil_ratio_30yrs.png

  In reality, the price of oil fluctuates and inflates due to the instability in the US$.  With the higher costs in Saudi Arabia, and a deflating US$ (due to the Bernacke Put), the American people (and the rest of the world) is in a squeeze play.  Costs in Saudi Arabia are going up (causing oil price inflation), the US$ is loosing ground against other world currencies (causing oil price inflation), and Bernacke is doing QE and printing (causing oil price inflation, as US$ is worth less & less).  This results in oil price hyper-inflation.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 07:44 | 1157105 Oh regional Indian
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Think global act local is going to get a whole new meaning in the months to come. When you don't drive 50 miles for a lark and a sandwich, you tend to do somethign within walking distance. We'll see a permanent change in spending patters as this unfolds (Oil $200 is inevitable this year).

But the thing to watch will be airline/flying costs go through the roof and demand destruction there. That will be change to behold. No more leisure travel, all the two-rist dependent economies......tch!

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/crashing-stars-they-were-but-chimeras/

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 07:54 | 1157119 ZeroPower
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While i agree higher (though $200 this year is inconceivable) oil is inevitable, obamao has no doubt some tricks up his sleeve, namely tapping the US own oil reserves to stabilize markets.

We know the recession starts all over (or continues, whatever you want to believe) again at ~$150, and in a looming election year, i bet the admin will do everything in their power to ensure "All is Alright". Hey, maybe that'll be the boss's hip new slogan. You know, to get the minority vote and such.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:08 | 1157147 duo
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Tapping the SPR or rebalancing the GSCI are tricks with a short half-life.  Barry had better save those for right before the election.  Use them too soon, and the blowback will be worse than doing nothing.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:13 | 1157170 Long-John-Silver
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The oil reserve is for war. Obama will be starting a 4th war and will need it.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:09 | 1157311 EscapeKey
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It's also worth noting a large part of the "reserve" actually counts what's inside the pipelines at any time.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:18 | 1157324 r101958
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'Will be starting' should be 'has started'.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:44 | 1157427 aerojet
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Right, and Wikipedia backs you up on that fact, but Bush II used it for politcal purposes, so there you go.  Everything is political, or another way of saying that is:  Nothing the government can do is outside the realm of the political, so beware!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:17 | 1157172 trav7777
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"stabilize" the markets?  They are stable.

Demand will wane...it needs to because it's got to catch up to waning supply

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:22 | 1157336 r101958
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yes, demand will wane, and with it the 'recovering' economy. 'Growth' is predicated on ever growing supplies of cheap energy. That is not to be had anymore.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 10:23 | 1157589 Oh regional Indian
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Precisely...

Plus, cheap/free energy is the Midas's curse of our time..

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/the-curse-of-free-energy/

ORI

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:17 | 1157184 Chump
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You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 09:21 | 1157332 Mad Max
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Inconceivable!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 08:21 | 1157191 Oh regional Indian
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Oil is well! ;-)

ORI

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 07:56 | 1157123 ibjamming
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I used to drive farther than that...for a wonderful shredded beef burrito...no more.  I also got 7% back then too...no more.  Yup, high energy prices mean hard times ahead.

 

 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 10:04 | 1157524 MachoMan
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Last time this happened, everyone thought all the airlines were going the way of the dodo and that air travel would be prohibitively expensive for the masses...  I see no reason this time will be different...  eventually, the higher oil prices will be prolonged enough for them to finally keel over.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 11:10 | 1157801 Ahmeexnal
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Are you saying airlines are in better shape now?

Many have indeed gone the way of the dodo, and those remaining are flying zombies.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 11:26 | 1157853 MachoMan
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No, I'm saying that whatever hasn't finished them off stands to do so again...  That we've failed to prohibit this danger...  (not that it's possible).

Seems like last time they were saved in part due to booking fuel prices well in advance...  anyone got the skinny on whether they did so again?  If it's a temporary flare up, then maybe this gives them a temporary reprieve...  However, I fail to see any ability to outlast these structural issues...

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