And Now Back To Reality, And $2 Billion Dollars Closer To A Debt Ceiling Breach

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Thu, 05/05/2011 - 16:58 | 1245146 JuicyTheAnimal
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When will QE3 be announced?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:02 | 1245153 mayhem_korner
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Right after the banks get their commodity calls in place.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:05 | 1245170 JuicyTheAnimal
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So next Wednesday. 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:05 | 1245173 camaro68ss
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you have to Deflate the USD to get it Cheap first

Banks buy the Silver Dip, you should too!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:09 | 1245191 nope-1004
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And here I thought commodities were selling off because of, you know, "market forces", like lower unemployment, less money printing, more responsible gov't spending, solvency returning to the various States, and an improving economy.

The stage has been set for QE3.  It has to happen and I kinda wondered how they'd go about bringing it up in light of all the inflationary forces.  Now we know.  FRAUD.

If I were guilty of being a white collar criminal, I'd grow a beard and hide behind it too.  Helps the conscience deal with your actions.

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:14 | 1245214 6 String
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Shit! Frankly, I think you're right. I was thinking hiatus between QE2 and QE3 but with enough of a take down beforehand they can commence henceforth, which means Congress can continue the shell game of extend and pretend.

Fuck it. I going long, very long Silver. No hiatus, bitchez.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 18:46 | 1245481 DoChenRollingBearing
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Tick tock, tick tock, tick, tock

Sttrreeeeeeetttccchhh  ----  SNAP!

It does not seem we will have to wait long now.

I like gold better 6 String, but silver and other PMs are great places to hide as well (I own 'em all).  Diversification!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:12 | 1245218 SheepDog-One
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Jooz like Bernank in the cabal have no conscience.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:15 | 1245219 Worker Bee
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Or,He throws up his hands and say "Fuck you, I tried,Im out bitches". He goes down in history trying to do everything he can trying to flight the deflation tsunami while congress gets the blame for The Greatest Depression.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:20 | 1245241 SheepDog-One
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Well the Bernank was successful in inflating stocks and bonds and the rest of the overvalued crap, cant print jobs or a real economic recovery though unfortunately.

The economy is gone, we sold all our production overseas for loans, and there is no more real capacity to print and paper over it anymore, so time for 3rd worlding of america while the elite have been printed and inflated out of harms way to safety, everyone else stuck in deflation.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:31 | 1245266 Worker Bee
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The FED is not the government. What makes them stick around for the big boom? If I'm Bernakster,and Ive transferred trillion to my banker buddies knowing that the ship is sinking, I get out now. He says hes done everything he can but Uncle Sugar just wouldn't cooperate.

The FED is a parasite that feeds of the people..the government.. The FED is full and can now let us fight over the scraps of The Republic.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:43 | 1245326 schizo321437
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Poisoned chalice.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:01 | 1245149 Misean
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" will occur yet again..."

Given that adjusted monetary base, their just might be an ammo shortage this time 'round.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 18:22 | 1245440 bothsidesnow
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Forget it this guy doesn't understand monetary base and the velocity equation. 

He's OCD on QE3.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 16:59 | 1245151 MikeyKid
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I told Cap One that there will be "dire consequences" if they didn't up my credit limit - specifically I wouldn't be able to make minimum payments on my OTHER Cap One credit card. They didn't seem to buy that one.

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:06 | 1245176 tekhneek
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I tried that too, but I went a different way.

I kept trying to explain that to the Chase bank rep although he might show that I owe $20,000, really, my debt subject to the limit is only $20, so, go suck satan's cock.

wankin' fuckin' bankerz.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:08 | 1245152 Muir
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And this is not deflationary news how exactly?

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edit: and I have been posting FRED2 data (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/) since 08!

And got kicked out of a blog for daring to say that the FED would succed in creating infaltion (posted Dec 08-Feb 09 in The Housing Bubble Blog)

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But, again, how is this not deflationary news? (as has been much of the news for weeks.)

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:14 | 1245224 SheepDog-One
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Deflation in some things, inflation in others. How is it so hard to understand?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:25 | 1245262 Muir
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What basket of goods do you get in exchange for whatever you hold, be it stock certificates, cash, land or PMs.

What can you trade for it?

No, it's frankly easy.

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Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:34 | 1245288 Shell Game
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100% correct. It is deflationary news.  That's what this 'for show' test is all about:

1. World inflation due to QE gets out of control.
2. People around the world start to 'Lose It'.
3. Market is released to natural forces (deflationary).
4. Public fearful as double dip deepens and IRA/401k values contract.
5. Bernanke 'has no choice' but to propose QE3.
6. Politicos and Public accept the fix.
7. Inevitable march toward hyperinflation re-commences..

Why? because this news and reaction will be very deflationary and TPTB want it to rear its ugly self, but will never allow it to win.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 18:38 | 1245493 DoChenRollingBearing
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Insightful scenario.

+ 1 oz Au

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 18:42 | 1245505 Bonesetter Brown
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Indeed.

I get the sense that too many people in the comments section have never dated or wooed a mate.  You have to play hard to get now and again.

The idea of "all inflation, all the time" complete misses the psychology and the politics of the thing.

And like any courting process, there is always the chance that something goes wrong during the dance, and the whole thing falls apart.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 23:10 | 1246269 ZFiNX
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I just don't believe the people will go for QE3, nevertheless I believe it will transpire if current economic trends continue, and I think that Obama and his people recognize they will be punting the economic issue to the repubs if they follow through, I believe that there will have be some major event to pull the wool over the eyes of the people once again to distract from QE3.. i.e. An israeli strike on Iran. Obama has made it clear his strength is not going to be the economy, and given recent "successes", such as OBL and certain ME regime changes, he is deliberately changing the discussion to war, which will suit his perceived strengths much better, hence, a major military action may be imminent.

I do not believe the Repubs and Dems are on the same side, I believe they represent interests who are in a tug of war over who gets the most government paper, thus they are both for money printing. Occassionally the politicians change loyalties to MIC or TNCs as they politically see fit.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 01:19 | 1246469 Shell Game
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I do not believe the Repubs and Dems are on the same side, I believe they represent interests who are in a tug of war over who gets the most government paper, thus they are both for money printing.

Bingo, friend.  They are both fiscally Left, in that they are both for easy money and continued printing.  People will go for QE3 because prices will have come down and financial fear will have risen.  The public has very passively tolerant and short memories..

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:00 | 1245157 101 years and c...
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stocks down since feb 18th, during the period of about $300 billion in expansion.  so, if $300 billion isnt enough to goose the market (R2K), what will?

 

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:08 | 1245187 tekhneek
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That'd be QE3.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:07 | 1245193 drink or die
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$600 billion?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:03 | 1245164 dark pools of soros
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after the dip spikes

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:01 | 1245165 camaro68ss
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WEEeeeeee into Oblivion.

Buy the Silver Dip Bitchez!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:06 | 1245188 cocoablini
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So, now that the Fed, comex, JP, Goldman, Geithner and others have squeezed the crap out of the silver market and crashed commodities does this save Timmy and the poor bond auctions of late.
And who the fuck bought 2 billion shares of UUP when the dxy was 72.8 and everyone was panicking. Another day, another manipulated bubble by the Fed crime syndicate. Who frontran that decision? And does Bill Gross feel like and idiot yet?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:09 | 1245189 SheepDog-One
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WOW now I can see why the dollar got such a ride up today! Oh wait....

Yea things sure are different today, dollar worth so much more, PM's worth so much less, and that big huge 17quadrillion barrel new oil find and all.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:07 | 1245197 cocoablini
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And Sprott bought physical and dumped shares. Love it!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:11 | 1245200 6 String
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Apparently Asia gets it: Silver up Asian time, per usual. Will the 6:30 eastern time bear be back tonight?

What's the numbers? 200 trillion global "assets" consisting of 150 trillion in debt? Sure. Yeah. We can grow are way out of this organically, right?

Don't forget to BTFD in the 2000, too. Remember its a basket of small companies that will almost all (1999 of them at least) grow into Apple like valuations while the stalwarts become less relevant and turn into small caps. It's an unbelievable virtuous cylce. You gotta get on the ride.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:17 | 1245227 tekhneek
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Horrible advice. BTFD in AGQ. When this correction is balanced out. I'd still get a 10% hedge in ZSL too, just in case.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:33 | 1245275 6 String
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AGQ? LOL. On the other hand, waiting for silver to consolidate is good advice on yr. part. And ZSL is fine if you ask me if you simply want to hedge physical in case one is so very wrong. So mostly we agree.

More importantly, do you want to fuck (if you're not a chic than forget it)?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:16 | 1245235 web bot
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If they in fact do QE3, then its economic suicide. There is no other way to characterize it.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:22 | 1245242 Worker Bee
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That's a pretty chart but like Ive been saying credit is money. Bernanke wouldn't be "printing" if he wasn't fighting something..like I dunno, massive deflationary forces?

Credit is money.

http://pragcap.com/the-fight-against-credit-contraction

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:32 | 1245270 Muir
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" credit is money"

 

Said the same words here many times (exact words.)

It's lost on the lemmings.

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Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:40 | 1245310 Tyler Durden
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Of course he is printing to fight deflation. And QE2 brought us an 80% jump in oil. So when the next (and very likely finaly) round of deflation hits, as it did today suddenly, what happens next? Is there a new Fed playbook that came into existence yesterday? So, assuming there isn't, the Fed will print, print, print more [credit|money] until the DXY goes below 70, then 60, then 50, and so forth, all as bouts of hyperdeflation and hyperinflation cycle with increasing amplitude and frequency until Weimar is a sad dress rehearsal joke.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:55 | 1245367 Muir
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-@Tyler

"Is there a new Fed playbook that came into existence yesterday? So, assuming there isn't, the Fed will print, print, print more"

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That's one assumption too many.

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Thu, 05/05/2011 - 18:01 | 1245382 Muir
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maybe that was too cute.

There's no doubt that your posts are brilliant (and I've at least said so many times, as have many others)

It's not as if I am a Deflationista, I have not been.

It's not as if I have not seen the data before, I have seen the FRED2 data since late 08 and thought that the Bernak would succeed (when no one did.)

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Thu, 05/05/2011 - 18:53 | 1245556 TheJudge2012
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As I've understood the banking cronies go under if the debt ceiling isn't raised. Withdrawal leads to debt ceiling increase, and in the meantime they get to keep a lid on gold and silver. I've never seen a pm take down of this magnitude go straight back up anyway. If they let the pain go on until summer pm doldrums Blythe may not have to write so many checks for June expiry coming up.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 18:01 | 1245375 Worker Bee
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Tyler, Seems to me that Bernankster sees that Qe has become a drag on GDP and that his great experiment has failed. He turns around, puts the ball in Uncle Sugars court and says "see I tried and you guys fucked it up". If hes is willing to let hyper-inflation collapse the economy,and that will be directly related to his actions, why not let deflation collapse the economy and lay the blame in the congress critters laps?

 

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 18:53 | 1245476 Hearst
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"why not let deflation collapse the economy and lay the blame in the congress critters laps?"

 

Because the Federal Reserve (especially Bernake) has repeatedly and publically promised not to let deflation happen, and their actions back this up. Bernake has gone even further publically confessing the Fed's failure to stave off deflation durring the Great Depression, promising it wont happen again,  and assuring us of his unique adeptness with helicopter drops of fiat should the time come!

 

Deflation will end the Fed faster than hyperinflation will.  Hyperinflation will conveiently be blamed on those evil Asian foreigners who 'broke their agreement with Washington by selling their US Treasuries.'  That you can coun't on.  And it might not be limited to Asia.  

 

RT gives  us another view on why Gaddafi was targeted and it is the sam sad Saddam Hussein story all over again..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuqZfaj34nc&feature=player_embedded

 


Thu, 05/05/2011 - 18:51 | 1245544 Worker Bee
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Two assumptions here.

1. He intends to keep his promise.

2. He is able to keep his promise.

Why when he promise to not allow deflation he is trusted , but when he says there will not be inflation he isnt being honest?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 19:08 | 1245606 Hearst
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Allowing deflation to take root will end the Fed.  The blame will be laid squarely on the shoulders of the same institute who confessed to the same failure eighty years ago.  http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=59405

 

My point to you is not only does he intend and is able to keep his promise, anything but would end the creature from Jackyl Island far faster than hyperinflation would.  With hyperinflation there's much more blame to spread around.  It's easier politically, less obvious than outright default, and with the right lies and market manipulators in the right chairs, the current monetary system experiment can grind slowly on.  Until of course those evil Asians cause hyperinflation.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 19:16 | 1245641 Worker Bee
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So deflations end the Fed? I guess The Great Depression was an exception?

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 19:20 | 1245665 Hearst
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You checked the debt levels of this country recently?  http://www.usdebtclock.org/  Not default on all THAT (via hyperinflation)?  Now that would be an exception..

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 09:43 | 1246902 cranky-old-geezer
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You give Bernokio much more credit than I do. 

I don't think it's about fighting price deflation.   Falling prices would be good for the economy and people in general.   

I think it's about keeping the Ponzi financial system going, keeping the huge derivatives bubble inflated, keeping those huge banker bonuses going, and transfering wealth to the banker class in a broader sense.  QE is Bernokio's method of doing that.

"Quantitative Easing" is one of the dumbest phrases I've ever heard. Pure bullshit. It's a silly goofy lame cover phrase for massive Weimar-style currency printing & credit expansion, ALL of it going to the federal government and Wall Street bankers, NONE of it going to the people in general.

QE is a silly goofy lame cover phrase for WEALTH TRANSFER.   

THAT'S what Bernokio's job is. THAT'S what his marching orders are.

And yes I agree he'll keep at it till the dollar is worthless. 

Who cares about the damn debt ceiling?  What a joke. It'll be 100 TRILLION eventually. One way or another. Publicly declared or publicly covered up. Then 200 TRILLION. And keep right on going.

The entire American economy is operating on borrowed money now.  Because little or no real wealth is being created anymore.  Our manufacturing base has been shut down, dismantled, and shipped overseas. 

All we have left to keep velocity going is a service sector.  It may keep velocity going but it doesn't create wealth.  

Since little or no real wealth is being created anymore, WEALTH TRANSFER is the name of the game now. Transfer as much wealth from other people to yourself as possible.

That's what Bernokio is doing for the federal government and Wall Street.  Transferring as much wealth as possible from the people in general to the federal government and Wall Street.

That's what ALL OF US are doing too.  Transferring as much wealth as possible from other people to ourselves. 

Because we're not creating any new wealth anymore.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 17:31 | 1245277 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Looks to me like silver is in backwardation even as close as Jul '11 contract.

Looks like COMEX is about to be revealed as the crime scene it is.

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